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#52661 Bail o' Lies

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Posted 17 December 2020 - 11:46 AM

That's the thing though. Someone who truly cares about you will put some sense into you when you cross some limits.

Not because OMG they're abusive, but because they want the best for you.

But these kids can't grasp this thing because with them, everything is OMG abuse!

They have no idea what real abuse truly is...

They have been taught to see through the eyes of a victim. Victimology, I think its called. They are also spoiled, entitled, narrow-minded, and sheltered so their views of things are very limited...even if they are nearly 40 years old.

 

They are also selective in who they see as a victim. Hinata and Naruto are victims because they insert themselves into them. Sasuke Sakura and Neji are not because they don't like them and every victim needs an abuser.

 

Noup milenials, I'm IT engineer so don't know much about politics but here in Latin America our kids are dying in Argentina 6 of 10 kids don't have anything to eat, Chile is a mess, Venezuela you know how it's going, and so on. But we try to import the same problem rich countries has. Everything is Homophobic or racist or offensive. And Naruto is a proof that they're a bunch of idiots; "ohhh Hinata always loved naruto so don't care about the history if their paring is canon"
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Exactly and they do it out of irritation for their partner and their antics and actions. But we see them being sweet with them too.

Hell, Goku was DEAD for seven years and Chichi never remarried due to how much she loves him, plus we know
Goku may not have gotten marriage at first but he does love Chichi with all his heart.

And in Eds case, his feelings for Winry help too since he knows joy with her as Hohenheim, even for his fears due to his long life, felt such joy with Trisha, Ed and Al in his life.

The problems are a lot of them don't know what a healthy relationship looks like because they have never been in one or even seen one.

 

I stopped arguing too. If I had the opportunity to actually argue, I first ask if my argument with actually be taken seriously or will they just brush it off. I then test the waters by bringing up something that is not even about Hinata or pairings, but rather just a simple fact like "Sakura was able to beat Sasori." If they say "Chiyo beat Sasori and Sakura needed tons of help and without Chiyo she would have died" that's when I know it is a wasted effort. You have Sasori complimenting Sakura saying how great she was, you have Chiyo literally say that Sakura could have done it all on her own and implies she was more of a burden because she had to worry about her safety.

I have seen people use arguments like
"Sakura is bad because she did nothing when Pain attacked."
My literal response was "Hinata didn't do anything either. Might as well say 'Hinata is a horrible woman because she didn't grab a hammer and help rebuild Konoha after it was destroyed."

 

EVERYTHING is used against Sakura to the point that it borders on absolute most bias hatred. Everyday I see their arguments get lower. "Sakura is a bad woman because she wears red meanwhile Hinata wears Blue which is a better color."  Sakura can't have anything. Nothing positive can be about Sakura to them which makes me surprised they are okay with Salad being her kid. Sakura make a cute and powerful kid? A compliment? Wow. Progress, but I guess because it is with Sasuke so it is okay.
 

People are so used to special treatment and being placed on pedestals that everyday interaction is considered problematic, discrimination, and abuse.

What is most concerning is that if an anime girl hits an anime guy even as a joke...it is considered abuse and she doesn't deserve him.
If a girl in REAL LIFE hits a guy in REAL LIFE, people laugh and consider it a joke...what the hell?

What is with this generation and social standing of double standards?

The reasons Chiyo was there was three-fold one to expand/explain on Sasori's backstory to give the fight emotional depth, two to give support because it was Sakura's fight major fight, and three to constantly be impressed by how good Sakura was. The problem was that Kishimoto didn't treat Sakura was the third protagonist and didn't included her in the Jutsu/powers arms race Naruto and Sasuke was in.



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Posted 17 December 2020 - 01:08 PM

They have no idea what real abuse truly is...

And when they will, they will probably think that's just what love is.
 


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Posted 17 December 2020 - 08:35 PM

Tsunderes be exaggerated or made out of left field in Sps hands. I really dont like them anymore. Forget Naruto they are not giving Black Clover the justice it deserves and they screwed up Sousei no Omyouji/Tein Star Exorcists. Bleach is also among the anime adaptation ruin casualties unfortunately.


Thankfully, the anime doesn't have tons of filler, doesn't ruin Noelle's character and is already back in canon. But yeah, I wish someone other than SP were adapting Black Clover, like Sunrise, MAPPA, Bones or one of A-1 Pictures' studios.

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Posted 18 December 2020 - 07:54 PM

They didn't ruin her character for sure, BUT on the other hand they DID exaggerate her "tsundere side" and made her seem more of a "ball buster" towards Asta than she actually was and threw in moments with Mimosa in filler episodes that were nonexistent mangawise, which of course I don't even need to tell you about. IT just reminds me of the Sakura- Hinata conundrum all over again. I WILL admit though that they stopped having Noelle hit Asta for every little thing after a while and Asta swept Noelle into his arms bridal style twice, to escape those situations and she had no slaps or blasts of water to give which I appreciate. Still, I can't help but thing Maybe Black Clover would have been better received if another studio handled it and without fillers. Fillers I feel are what made so many fail to see the charm of Black clover at first if you ask me, since it took too long to get to the good stuff and where it comes into its own as a story. It took 7 episodes to get the introductions out of the way the animation quality flip flops etc.etc.


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Posted 18 December 2020 - 10:30 PM

They didn't ruin her character for sure, BUT on the other hand they DID exaggerate her "tsundere side" and made her seem more of a "ball buster" towards Asta than she actually was and threw in moments with Mimosa that were none existent in filler episodes, which of course I don't even need to tell you about. IT just reminds me of the Sakura- Hinata conundrum all over again. I WILL admit though that they stopped having Noelle hit Asta for ever little thing after a while and Asta swept Noelle into his arms bridal style twice, to escape those situations and she hand no slaps or blasts of water to give which I appreciate. Still, I can't help but thing Maybe Black Clover would have been better received if another studio handled it and without fillers. Fillers I feel are what made so many fail to see the charm of Black clover at first if you ask me, since it took too long to get to the good stuff and where it comes into its own as a story. It took 7 episodes to get the introductions out of the way the animation quality flip flops etc.etc.

And since very few people actually read the manga and only watch the anime...it shows how incredibly stupid Pierrot is.

I wonder who Pierrot favorite girl in Black CLover


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Posted 18 December 2020 - 11:08 PM

And since very few people actually read the manga and only watch the anime...it shows how incredibly stupid Pierrot is.

I wonder who Pierrot favorite girl in Black CLover

 

 

From what I noticed they don't necessarily have any favoritism towards a particular girl. They have as much of an equal treatment as presented in the manga.  


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Posted 18 December 2020 - 11:53 PM

Don't most people in Japan read the manga more than the anime, while in america and the west it's opposite?



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Posted 19 December 2020 - 12:34 AM

Don't most people in Japan read the manga more than the anime, while in america and the west it's opposite?

 

Kinda? Manga is cheap and easily accessible. Anime is more restrictive when watching the broadcast, and it's physical sales are way lower. Like selling 10k copies is usually considered a hit, and those copies are far more expensive. Not to mention, long runners like Naruto tend to sell really, really badly in comparison to seasonal anime.

 

I don't know what the ratings for Naruto would be like, but we have to remember that the manga is the centerpiece of it's media empire in Japan. The anime is a commercial for it.


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Posted 19 December 2020 - 01:45 AM

From what I noticed they don't necessarily have any favoritism towards a particular girl. They have as much of an equal treatment as presented in the manga.

Same here. If this was the Naruto/Boruto animation team working on the series, we'd probably see them attempting to bolster Mimosa at every opportunity but other than one filler moment and slightly exaggerated tsundere reactions from Noelle as Phantom mentioned, they don't tamper with the canon representation of the female characters out of bias.

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Posted 19 December 2020 - 02:49 AM

And since very few people actually read the manga and only watch the anime...it shows how incredibly stupid Pierrot is.

I wonder who Pierrot favorite girl in Black CLover

 

Mimosa I'm guessing. I only assume that because of a particular incident *couch cough* 6th ending theme *cough cough*

 

But other than that, as Lucky and Kagomaru stated there is fair treatment of Noelle. Overall, they don't step on her dignity in filler episodes like Sakura (I will forever remember that filler episode where Sakura was snapping at Naruto to wake up because he was being noisy in the hospital and he called her ugly while half asleep) Noelle doesn't get that and again she even has some good moments with Asta in fillers. I only wish certain scenes weren't tampered with  to again, exaggerate her tsundere tendencies where she did no such thing in the manga. For instance in the anime, the moment when she displayed jealousy towards Sally she actually threw the bowl she was eating from at Asta's head or slapping him off screen when she fell on top of him during the Shadow Palace reunion scene. Am I right guys? (Lucky and Kagomaru)


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Posted 19 December 2020 - 04:56 PM

 
Mimosa I'm guessing. I only assume that because of a particular incident *couch cough* 6th ending theme *cough cough*
 
But other than that, as Lucky and Kagomaru stated there is fair treatment of Noelle. Overall, they don't step on her dignity in filler episodes like Sakura (I will forever remember that filler episode where Sakura was snapping at Naruto to wake up because he was being noisy in the hospital and he called her ugly while half asleep) Noelle doesn't get that and again she even has some good moments with Asta in fillers. I only wish certain scenes weren't tampered with  to again, exaggerate her tsundere tendencies where she did no such thing in the manga. For instance in the anime, the moment when she displayed jealousy towards Sally she actually threw the bowl she was eating from at Asta's head or slapping him off screen when she fell on top of him during the Shadow Palace reunion scene. Am I right guys? (Lucky and Kagomaru)

I remember that filler episode. It pissed me off so much back then and pisses me off even more now. Naruto thinks Sakura-Chan is a goddess on earth. Why would he ever call her ugly? If anything, he would be dreaming about taking her on a date or him doing something sexual with her, or her telling him she loves him.

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Posted 19 December 2020 - 05:01 PM

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Stumbled upon the latest volume cover through twitter and wow........ utter speechless!

 

 

 

that brown background makes it look really dull, and lmao at Sasuke he looks so inserted! 


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Posted 19 December 2020 - 05:05 PM

Who's that on the cover? Other than that no comment, since I'm not even wasting my time, money or even brain cells on Boruto.

 

I remember that filler episode. It pissed me off so much back then and pisses me off even more now. Naruto thinks Sakura-Chan is a goddess on earth. Why would he ever call her ugly? If anything, he would be dreaming about taking her on a date or him doing something sexual with her, or her telling him she loves him.

 

Utter garbage, that filler episode. I also remember at the start of the Sora arc Sakura slapped Naruto away from her for no reason. Honestly it's moments like these that don't help. It is one thing to be a tsundere and I have no problems with that but Sakura has had only shown the early stages of development with Naruto so far there so it was more grating to watch than anything.


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Posted 19 December 2020 - 05:10 PM

I believe the guy fighting Boruto is Ishiki Ootsutski!


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Posted 19 December 2020 - 08:08 PM

Okay thanks. :smile: Anyways don't get me wrong, your critique of the volume covers are always welcome and I enjoy your insights on it. I just buy the volumes of any manga I like lol Regardless of how I feel about the cover art. And Boruto is DEFINITELY is not on that list, not even faced with execution :P


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Posted 20 December 2020 - 10:24 AM

you know, the point when you really knew the fix was in was when Sakura-Chan said these words during the War Arc...

 

"Naruto saved me once again as usual. But it's like Sasuke-Kun doesn't even care."

 

Lol, I mean am I missing something? Isn't that what was literally supposed to wake her up? Be one of the turning points to her looking in Naruto's direction and away from Sasuke? That Naruto is the one who cares and Sasuke isn't? Isn't that supposed to make your decision easier, taking in the fact that she clearly loves Naruto? It's already clear in my eyes that she loves Naruto, but it always took something drastic for those feelings to come out. It came to a point that Sakura-Chan was only going after Sasuke so hard because she wanted to make Naruto happy and bring him back solely for Naruto. 

 

The War Arc is supposed to be in Sakura-Chan's case when she had the both of them there in front of her, and she could finally choose between the two of them. And if Kishi wasn't getting pressured, then we would have seen a bunch of NS moments during the War Arc, more than we got. We would seen them getting closer, Sakura-Chan would be getting a lot of close calls that will bring out those feelings, in 699, I could see after the Naruto and Sasuke fight, Naruto being extremely hurt to the point of near death again(but we know he won't) but in Sakura-Chan's eyes, he's dying and before he does, he confesses to her(that way he doesn't take it to the grave like Obito), it finally awakens her feelings for him, Naruto survives, she admits her feelings, boom, canon. Or, after finally seeing how much Sakura-Chan truly cares about him and not missing the scene, he decides to kiss her on the forehead and admit his feelings, after all, he isn't bound by the promise anymore. I personally believe that Naruto confessing first would be what makes her come to the realization of her own feelings.

 

In Gaiden, she was wanted a forehead kiss. Sasuke turned away and didn't give it to her. She said something along the lines of:

 

"He's still keeping me waiting."

 

And she doesn't realize that she will be waiting forever because Sasuke wasn't the one wants to kiss your forehead, Naruto is. And until she realizes that, she will keep waiting for Sasuke to do something that he never wanted to do and never will do. Wasn't Sakura-Chan the one who could analyze any situation? The one who always questioned things? All it would take is for her to use her brain and question, WHY? Why doesn't he want to kiss me? Why did he say that it was something only Naruto would say? Make her come to a realization.

 

Like I said, I personally have all of the hope and faith in the world, I believe that NS will happen eventually, might be years from now, but it will come.


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Posted 20 December 2020 - 10:44 AM

That is also what is so insulting about SasuSaku. There is no “hidden affection” on Sasuke’s end, which is the requirement for a haughty aloof character to be in love. I’ve said countless times, Sasuke does not open up to Sakura and it shows with what their relationship became


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Posted 20 December 2020 - 10:51 AM

That is also what is so insulting about SasuSaku. There is no “hidden affection” on Sasuke’s end, which is the requirement for a haughty aloof character to be in love. I’ve said countless times Sasuke does not open up to Sakura and it shows with what their relationship became

and what's worse is that she's living in a life of lies and unhappiness because she doesn't realize that she isn't with the man who has the key to her heart. She is with the man who she THINKS she loves. And until she comes to that realization, she will always be unhappy.They could force as much SS moments as possible, and we will always know that Sasuke doesn't love Sakura-Chan and the key to Sakura-Chan's heart is truly in the palm of Naruto's hand to which Naruto sadly doesn't realize either.

 

Plus, I read Chapter 349(I believe) again and it showed me the difference with how he was with Karin and with Sakura-Chan, Ino, etc. He didn't seem to mind as much that Karin was all over him compared to Sakura-Chan, Ino, etc. And Karin actually herself with Sasuke, not backing down. She wasn't afraid to flex the advantages she had over him.


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Posted 20 December 2020 - 04:49 PM

Okay, lol. So, now apparently on the NH/SSs new episode of "Naruto never loved Sakura." The new reasons this week is because:

1. He said Haku was prettier than Sakura-Chan(lol, really?)

2. When Sakura-Chan was explaining to Naruto about the chakra control for the tree climbing exercise, and she called the lesson, Beautiful Girl Sakura's Lesson on Chakra Control they claim Naruto thought the opposite all because of how he tilted his head and repeated the name of the lesson like a question.

3. Because he didn't just flat out call her beautiful when she asked if she looked more womanly.



Can't wait to tune in for next week's episode of "Naruto doesn't love Sakura."

I mean really? There really trying to find anything at this point.

 

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Posted 20 December 2020 - 05:31 PM

.......... *sigh* here we go again.

 

1. He said Haku was prettier than Sakura- so does that mean he's attracted Haku then? And he also called Hinata a "dark weird girl" upon her introduction, what's your point? He, at AT NO TIME in the story called Hinata beautiful either or a smoking hot goddess like all of you. If you can show me a manga page where he ACTUALLY SAID THAT, show it to me.

 

2. He was confused about  why Sakura put that title in. And that is not a to say he doesn't think Sakura is attractive. I remember how he was blushing in chapter/episode 3 about saying Sakura was cute? Not to mention this was before Hinata was introduced.

 

3. WELL, I bring up point 1 again. DID HE CALL HINATA BEAUTIFUL? WELL? You all seem to be under this impression that Naruto did not find Sakura physically attractive and therefore he does not love her then, but he wasn't physically attracted to Hinata either, and the manga indicated he wasn't attracted to Hinata if you really want to push that because he doesn't say it. And if you REALLY WANT TO BRING UP that filler episode with the "naked waterfall" scene why hasn't that scene ever been brought up again? Better yet, WHY HAS that not ever changed his mind on Hinata, and have him thinking she is gorgeous IN ANY EPISODE (filler included) till last second?


Edited by Phantom_999, 23 December 2020 - 06:15 PM.

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