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[Tsuki Hoshino]

Of course! I'll make sure the powers off And scare the dogs

  If you're naughty, I'll have the house exorcised and you'll be homeless!

Be more like Caspar!

[rocci]

Ok, answer these questions for me:

1) What was Naruto's "THAT" Jutsu?
2) Since Hashirama has safe mode, why didn't Orochimaru use that against Hiruzen?
3) Why didn't Hashirama resist control before if he could have done it at anytime?

1. No idea. I think kishi give up on whatever that jutsu is.
2. Do you mean sage mode? Sm doesn't exist at the time. And even then I consider hashirama as more powerful than hiruzen because when hashirama use his rebirth of forest jutsu, hiruzen want to end the battle, as quickly as possible using suicide jutsu.
4. After he summon them, orochimaru put talisman on them. To totally control them. In part 2, he doesn't give it to them.

The manga will not end in pain arc. Since kishi said he will make naru vs sasu as the last battle of manga. And just like narutouzumaki01 said, it will make the end unconclusive.
The love triangle will be brought back one way or another.

Kishi use old Japanese feudal system with each region lead by a daimyo.
They have power and money. Something that ninja need.

[Change]

Its funny these past few months everyone has been saying the same thing that "this isn't the real Naruto, Naruto wouldn't do this, this is someone else" this is the perfect time for Kishi to actually play and play the whole thing off as a troll and make everything here an illusion so he could get people's moneys again....but he'll never be smart enough for that. It would require the problem solving skills of an infant which Kishi is obviously under-qualified for.

People would hate him even more

"Yea I mislead you, then mislead you again""It was all part of my plan"

[Gaara's hair]

  If you're naughty, I'll have the house exorcised and you'll be homeless!

Be more like Caspar!

I don't wanna be a homeless spirit

I'll be a good boy ghost.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

People would hate him even more

"Yea I mislead you, then mislead you again""It was all part of my plan"

I'm pretty ok, because they just don't acknowledge pitty reasons of NH, manga itself must kill it with killing Hinata (lol) or something that will put gravestone to it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
 
1) the thing he did with the seal ...i think (?) , most likely it was another retcon 
2) Orochimaru didn't had full control of edo tensei at the time ( Its a pretty OP jutsu though, it should never have existed in first place or at least it should have been better handled)
3) There is no resisting control ,  the second time he was summoned Hashirama had control because orochimaru let it

1. Key to unlock seal.
2. Because Orochimaru's ET was lame, Kabuto greatly improved it, so he could ressurect shinobi's at their full stregth.
3. Because Orochimaru's ET didn't ressurect him at his best, and it's was a plot-moment. Hashirama alone could kick ass or Orochimaru and sound-four with his hands only.

1) I find it hard to believe the seal and if it is, it's retcon or copout. Why keep it a secret when no one is around to shock them. Like if we robbed the bank and no one knows yet surrounded by thousands, we will be like "We have to get moving since we did THAT." Also, the whole series, it's little to none use Jutsu as anything else. Always established as a Jutsu. Hell, even when Naruto learned sage, he claimed it that Jutsu, which ended up being Rasenshuriken. Perfect edition.

So basically, he copout. It made Jiraiya look like a fool because nothing has changed until Killer Bee. So what was the point? Not to mention, they never refer it again. Lastly, they said seal and then "that" Jutsu. In short, it was gone. Yes, next to Sakura's genjutsu, he got shafted. I guess Sasuke really get all the cool stuff.

2) I don't recall the first time being "weak". Feel like an excuse to make things "interesting." The whole idea was out of control, especially when Kabuto conveniently got the characters that we saw. Like good catch on Haku and Chiyo. And many others. I can understand Akatsuki, but many others are a stretch and get character in the same. Gin and Kin, anyone?

3) I did find the sage part not needed in a way. Oddly enough, the game version made it work more or less without sage. Him having sage without explaining from whom just seem an excuse for obvious super quick recovery for Madara. In short, plot.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I don't wanna be a homeless spirit

I'll be a good boy ghost.

What a good person Ghost you are!   

I'm going to bed noooow. 

[Gaara's hair]

What a good person Ghost you are!   

I'm going to bed noooow. 

Good night live person

[Liu bie]

Yet they'll be a lot of people who'll defend this or ignore it

Your blindness is just showing... The character you love is turning into somebody who's not him/her

Man tu tienes ayudarme a despertar esos del   nh and ss del facebook del thejarjarhero.

[TouKen4Life3g]

1. No idea. I think kishi give up on whatever that jutsu is.
2. Do you mean sage mode? Sm doesn't exist at the time. And even then I consider hashirama as more powerful than hiruzen because when hashirama use his rebirth of forest jutsu, hiruzen want to end the battle, as quickly as possible using suicide jutsu.
4. After he summon them, orochimaru put talisman on them. To totally control them. In part 2, he doesn't give it to them.

The manga will not end in pain arc. Since kishi said he will make naru vs sasu as the last battle of manga. And just like narutouzumaki01 said, it will make the end unconclusive.
The love triangle will be brought back one way or another.

Kishi use old Japanese feudal system with each region lead by a daimyo.
They have power and money. Something that ninja need.

I know it wouldn't be conclusive, but my point is that Pain Arc was the last arc that made sense and connect. Once we hit Kage Summit, way too many plot elements were introduced. I mean tons. I'll write it up soon. Love triangle really felt like it was gone. Yes, you argue wait until they say something but that's the thing, Kishi took that opening and revived it. The databook with the old editor era pretty much hinted that Sakura was moving on and things will change down the road. Instead, going backwards.

Well, I understand that, but they could have been more and not to mention, immortal arc got them talking for a bit, so stuff like this could have gone bigger. I kind of hoped something similar to One Piece government, you know those guys mean business.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I know it wouldn't be conclusive, but my point is that Pain Arc was the last arc that made sense and connect. Once we hit Kage Summit, way too many plot elements were introduced. I mean tons. I'll write it up soon. Love triangle really felt like it was gone. Yes, you argue wait until they say something but that's the thing, Kishi took that opening and revived it. The databook with the old editor era pretty much hinted that Sakura was moving on and things will change down the road. Instead, going backwards.

Well, I understand that, but they could have been more and not to mention, immortal arc got them talking for a bit, so stuff like this could have gone bigger. I kind of hoped something similar to One Piece government, you know those guys mean business.

Well, end of Pain Arc was conclusive in point of Sakura's feeling to Naruto. 

[tricksie]

I can't help but laugh at the audacity of those who once told us that we were wrong in our assertion that NH and SS becoming canon wouldn't reprehensibly damage the characters of both Naruto and Sakura. What were once great characters literally became the worst hero and heroine that I've ever laid my eyes on. Sakura literally became Karin, he'll she probably went worse then Karin. And good fucking lord, I don't need to say much about Naruto, do I?

At this point I can't decide whether Kishi is just a sexist asshole and is mocking real Naruto fans by writing and approving these two pathetic excuses for characters, or if he was forced to make the ending he did and is railing against SP and NH/SS by approving all of this terrible characterization of his two leads. It's literally like he's saying that NS was the only way to go and is demonstrating why SS and NH are poison to the manga and his characters. Like Jesus fucking Christ are you kidding me.

Just wait until Sakura's book comes out and it's revealed that she was only as close with Naruto as she was because he could help her get Sasuke back, else they might have been as good of friends as her and Lee. Hell, the end of the manga already did a good enough job at trying to portray the former. Just wait.

SS/NH can be happy all they want, but neither that S or that N stand for Sakura or Naruto, because the trash we've been exposed to aren't Naruto and Sakura, and everyone knows it. And to think that this came out on the day that I decided to start a chapter of my fic, Ive been too disgusted today to even write. It's actually hard to even think about those two now. Where's that OP chapter when it's needed?

 

I'll be surprised if they actually come out with a book — a whole book — based on Sakura's pov. They gave her so little time in the end of the manga, and dissed her character so much in the end, I can't imagine that they'd let her have a whole book to herself. 

 

Instead, I bet it will be something about the girls of Konoha, featuring Sakura, Ino, TenTen and Hinata, with some sort of plot revolving around Hinata and her shyness. Like the girls all get together to help her do something to get Naruto's attention. Something like a really, really bad NH fanfiction. 

 

Cause they don't give two craps about any of the female characters. So I have a hard time imagining that they'd give them time in a book. But if the book's about Hinata, then they'd be all for it.

 

So yeah, I guess I'm saying that if it's got Sakura on the cover, 10 bucks says the damn thing's about Hinata.

[FireFox]

 

You know I don't ship SK like at all  but I come upon this and they do have some point . What the hell happened with this what was so important that Karin did for Sasuke that it was never revealed ?  And this was brought up in shipping context by Suigetsu who was like SK  Sai for NS .I guess another plot hole men the manga is full of it I wonder how much we can dig up LOL .  

[questdrivencollie]

makes my blood boil.

It's like Kishi is actually trying to make Naruto an kitten now.

[Michi]

 
You know I don't ship SK like at all  but I come upon this and they do have some point . What the hell happened with this what was so important that Karin did for Sasuke that it was never revealed ?  And this was brought up in shipping context by Suigetsu who was like SK  Sai for NS .I guess another plot hole men the manga is full of it I wonder how much we can dig up LOL .  

/sigh/ oh, SK...

Edited by Michi, 13 January 2015 - 01:13 AM.

[AHK]

I'll be surprised if they actually come out with a book — a whole book — based on Sakura's pov. They gave her so little time in the end of the manga, and dissed her character so much in the end, I can't imagine that they'd let her have a whole book to herself. 
 
Instead, I bet it will be something about the girls of Konoha, featuring Sakura, Ino, TenTen and Hinata, with some sort of plot revolving around Hinata and her shyness. Like the girls all get together to help her do something to get Naruto's attention. Something like a really, really bad NH fanfiction. 
 
Cause they don't give two craps about any of the female characters. So I have a hard time imagining that they'd give them time in a book. But if the book's about Hinata, then they'd be all for it.
 
So yeah, I guess I'm saying that if it's got Sakura on the cover, 10 bucks says the damn thing's about Hinata.

Apparently there is actually a novel on Sakura, but I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. Her novel will be about Hinata, and Sakura will let it slip that Naruto wasn't anything more than a friend that could help her get back Sasuke, thus slinging more kitten on her character

Sorry, I've spent the entirety of today boiling with frustration because of this, it's hard to let go for obvious reasons XD

[Jio Freed]

 

People would hate him even more
"Yea I mislead you, then mislead you again""It was all part of my plan"

 

That makes no sense.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, end of Pain Arc was conclusive in point of Sakura's feeling to Naruto. 

Try conclusive of heroine.

[Change]

I'm pretty ok, because they just don't acknowledge pitty reasons of NH, manga itself must kill it with killing Hinata (lol) or something that will put gravestone to it.

I don't know, things will even be more chaotic

Man tu tienes ayudarme a despertar esos del   nh and ss del facebook del thejarjarhero.

Sorry, pero I don't argue like that anymore. I never really win (as you can see with this ending)  

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Aw i hate to say this but yeah the manga has ended and naruhina and sasusaku were the end pairings along with some others like sai x ino, temari x shikamaru, and chouji x karui.
This ending would have been better if it was open ended but Kishimoto wanted Naruto to be a father so he decided to put him with the woman who Naruto had hardly any development with. Why? It’s very suspicious. Narusasu and Narusaku had the most development- they were the most logical pairings if Kishimoto ‘had’ to make Naruto be with someone. After thinking a lot, i can’t find any other reason but the fact that NH/SS was ‘popular’ and that drove him (gain more money).
I was very devastated at the reason Kishimoto gave us to why Narusaku could not happen. The ending was apparently meant to be a ‘surprise’ and the development and parallel pairings like Minakushi were all to misleadus.
All of this, the fact that Naruto x Sakura made much more sense, the fact that all those moments were casted away, the fact that they had such compatibility, the fact that Kishimoto approves of abusive relationships, and the fact that Hinata is blatantly replacing Sakura in the Last Naruto movie, it’s all pure bullsh**.
It makes me sick, my favourite anime having this kind of ending, where everyone is out of character and team 7 don’t even talk.
As much as i want to hate Naruto, i wouldn’t tell you to stop reading/watching it because there are moments in there where you say to yourself, ‘wow, i’m glad i watched this’. I think if you want to continue, just read the manga till chapter 698. Chapter 699 has Sakura out of character but there’s a nice naruto and sasuke moment. It’s not worth reading the ending or watching the anime anymore. Ever since the pairings were released, the animators will probably shape it to NH/SS. We know otherwise. Ladygt has a doushinji called ‘after the war’ which is what i believe is Naruto’s part of the ending is. Here’s the link: http://ladygt.devian...ar-P1-452785822
Don’t think we read the manga wrong. The fact that Kishimoto mislead us on purpose suggests we read the manga right and we followed the manga. Narusaku had hints, development, compatibility, parallels,  and databook reference. Kishimoto himself can’t fight against that.

Except NaruSaku was explicitly sunk several times, and SasuNaruSasu was never portrayed romantically. These are facts. Despite claims to the contrary, no, it had nothing to do with NH/SS being ‘popular,’ as he’s said several times. He has repeatedly stated NH/SS was his plan all along, and despite your claims of no development this is clearly shown in the manga as far back as the Chuunin Exams or before.
NaruSaku could not happen because Sakura never loved Naruto, she always, and repeatedly confirmed, loved Sasuke. This was beaten into the ground several times, even Naruto HIMSELF said as much. On the flipside, every time Naruto’s feelings for Sakura are brought up, they are indirectly from other characters who are demonstrated to actually not understand Naruto, and he calls out Sakura for it. This is not the course of things if Kishimoto intended NaruSaku to be a thing.
This doesn’t even touch the idea that it would also defy every other pairing he’s done in the entire series being a mix of Yin and Yang, wheras both Naruto and Sakura are very Yang characters. This doesn’t even touch the silliness of calling any of the ships abusive, which is plain wrong and relies on ignoring the morality and reality of the setting and even THEN fails to explain why its abusive.
Hinata isn’t replacing Sakura in the Last, the Last was never about Sakura to begin with. None of the characters are out of character, unlike RtN which literally DOES regress Sakura back to her beginning days, not understanding Naruto at all and claiming Sasuke of all people would understand, when he already called her out for being insensitive about family stuff before.
Moreover, there ARE no parallels between NaruSaku and MinaKushi. There are SOME parallels between Kushina and Sakura, but that does not translate to MinaKushi because Naruto is not like Minato. We are explicitly told as much: Naruto is ALSO like Kushina. If anything, NaruHina is more MinaKushi, involving a brash, outspoken yang character that people laugh at but who the quiet, reserved yin character admires from afar and watches.
The fact that you accuse Sakura of being out of character in 699 then link a doujin that has her EXPLICITLY be out of character pretty much seals this, too. 
Kishimoto said he put in red herrings. Lets look at what a red herring is described as: “The idiom “red herring” is used to refer to something that misleads or distracts from the relevant or important issue. It may be either a logical fallacy or a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion.”
Which is what the parallels were. They misled and distracted from the relevant NaruHina development. You took the parallels, and inferred development of a NaruSaku relationship as romantic, when there was none. You ignore that they did not have compatibility as per how Kishimoto wrote, because both of them were Yang characters. And your so called databook references don’t actually exist. Parallels are not evidence, either. They’re teases, ones that were never actually built into anything. The claimed one where Sakura was ‘confused’ about Naruto says she actually was worried about him.
Flatly speaking, you did read it wrong. You took the red herrings and crafted your view of things out of it. This is not a condemnation, or me calling you stupid, or delusional, or anything. With respect, though, you did read the manga wrong. It doesn’t make sense than so many people saw NH/SS coming, Kishimoto confirms it was planned, and yet they were wrong, and Kishi is lying.

That's a post that could give a cancer, people stupid like this - must not exist, really, post like this, brings the darkest of me.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 13 January 2015 - 01:24 AM.