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[Super Boom]

I thought I'd bring something up here. It's sort of a random thing, so if you'd rather continue with the current conversation, feel free to ignore it.

Every once in a while, when Kishi draws a splash page in the manga, some of us like to point out small details and how they relate to the overall canon, and oftentimes the shipping argument. I don't have a problem with that, in fact I enjoy when people point out little hints that I easily miss, regardless of whether or not Kishi's actually hinting at anything. In any case, I re-discovered this image, and thought I'd bring it up again.

Chapter 442 Splash Page --Click here to view--

So basically, it looks like Kishi was trying to compare Team 7 to the Ame Orphan Trio that Jiraiya trained. Sakura is being compared to Konan, which is sort of the obvious parallel, seeing as how they're the only females in their teams. It's the other two comparisons I was curious about. By how the panels are placed, it looks like Naruto is being compared to Nagato, while Sasuke's counterpart is Yahiko. A parallel between Naruto and Nagato can potentially work well, seeing as how the two had similar dreams, started with self-confidence issues, and are connected to the Uzumaki Clan, but Sasuke and Yahiko seem a bit trickier to compare to me. Other than being the first member to 'leave' the trio, they don't seem to have too much in common, at least that I can think of. In fact, I always thought Naruto had more in common with Yahiko than Nagato (hair style, similar hair colors, goofy grin, ambition, etc.). Of course, I'd like to think Kishimoto would have some reason for drawing these panels, so I'll bring up the parallel that some of us might be dreading.

Is it possible that the parallels of the two teams will work out in a romantic sense? I can't recall if Nagato ever had feelings for Konan, or if Konan ever grew to develop feelings for Nagato, but it seems like a potential romance was being shown between Yahiko and Konan prior to his death, with Nagato seeming to support the two. So, if the parallel is drawn the same way Kishi drew on the splash page, it seems to imply a Sasu/Saku pairing, with Naruto supporting them.

I suppose the parallel could really work out both ways, seeing as how Nagato and Sasuke both have powerful eye techniques, and Naruto and Yahiko are drawn very similar, but I thought I'd bring the comparison up due to how the above page was organized. I'm guessing this page has been discussed here before, but I was just curious to see what anyone had to say on it.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 29 August 2011 - 09:42 PM.

[Paptala]

I thought I'd bring something up here. It's sort of a random thing, so if you'd rather continue with the current conversation, feel free to ignore it.

Every once in a while, when Kishi draws a splash page in the manga, some of us like to point out small details and how they relate to the overall canon, and oftentimes the shipping argument. I don't have a problem with that, in fact I enjoy when people point out little hints that I easily miss, regardless of whether or not Kishi's actually hinting at anything. In any case, I re-discovered this image, and thought I'd bring it up again.

Chapter 442 Splash Page --Click here to view--

So basically, it looks like Kishi was trying to compare Team 7 to the Ame Orphan Trio that Jiraiya trained. Sakura is being compared to Konan, which is sort of the obvious parallel, seeing as how they're the only females in their teams. It's the other two comparisons I was curious about. By how the panels are placed, it looks like Naruto is being compared to Nagato, while Sasuke's counterpart is Yahiko. A parallel between Naruto and Nagato can potentially work well, seeing as how the two had similar dreams, started with self-confidence issues, and are connected to the Uzumaki Clan, but Sasuke and Yahiko seem a bit trickier to compare to me. Other than being the first member to 'leave' the trio, they don't seem to have too much in common, at least that I can think of. In fact, I always thought Naruto had more in common with Yahiko than Nagato (hair style, similar hair colors, goofy grin, ambition, etc.). Of course, I'd like to think Kishimoto would have some reason for drawing these panels, so I'll bring up the parallel that some of us might be dreading.

Is it possible that the parallels of the two teams will work out in a romantic sense? I can't recall if Nagato ever had feelings for Konan, or if Konan ever grew to develop feelings for Nagato, but it seems like a potential romance was being shown between Yahiko and Konan prior to his death, with Nagato seeming to support the two. So, if the parallel is drawn the same way Kishi drew on the splash page, it seems to imply a Sasu/Saku pairing, with Naruto supporting them.

I suppose the parallel could really work out both ways, seeing as how Nagato and Sasuke both have powerful eye techniques, and Naruto and Yahiko are drawn very similar, but I thought I'd bring the comparison up due to how the above page was organized. I'm guessing this page has been discussed here before, but I was just curious to see what anyone had to say on it.

I do believe there was a panel of Nagato blushing over Konan, implying that he had some sort of feelings for her (though I could be remembering this wrong, I don't have the time to go look up the panel I'm vaguely remembering). However, I honestly think in this instance that Naruto and Nagato are simply placed in the middle because they are the main characters of their teams, so to speak. Though Yahiko tended to take more of a leadership role initially from what I can recall (as did Sasuke when they were still Team 7), both Nagato and Naruto were the main focuses of their respective team's stories.

If it does end up playing out the way that you're saying, then it's more likely implying a bittersweet ending with no pairings resolved (i.e. Sasuke dying for Naruto, being redeemed through death, and Sakura never moving on from her feelings for him before that).

You should, however, take into account that while a splash page could indicate parallels, it's not a very strong one considering the positioning of the characters are the only thing supporting that (and there isn't any other instance of this trio supporting this parallel). There are much stronger parallels in the actual storyline that pretty blatantly support/hint at NaruSaku, such as the Jiraiya and Tsunade relationship (Naruto succeeding where Jiraiya failed), and MinaKushi (the girl looking down the boy at first, and then falling in love with him and being complimented on the one physical feature she was most insecure about; and after Minato saved her life).

[Phantom_999]

I thought I'd bring something up here. It's sort of a random thing, so if you'd rather continue with the current conversation, feel free to ignore it.

Every once in a while, when Kishi draws a splash page in the manga, some of us like to point out small details and how they relate to the overall canon, and oftentimes the shipping argument. I don't have a problem with that, in fact I enjoy when people point out little hints that I easily miss, regardless of whether or not Kishi's actually hinting at anything. In any case, I re-discovered this image, and thought I'd bring it up again.

Chapter 442 Splash Page --Click here to view--

So basically, it looks like Kishi was trying to compare Team 7 to the Ame Orphan Trio that Jiraiya trained. Sakura is being compared to Konan, which is sort of the obvious parallel, seeing as how they're the only females in their teams. It's the other two comparisons I was curious about. By how the panels are placed, it looks like Naruto is being compared to Nagato, while Sasuke's counterpart is Yahiko. A parallel between Naruto and Nagato can potentially work well, seeing as how the two had similar dreams, started with self-confidence issues, and are connected to the Uzumaki Clan, but Sasuke and Yahiko seem a bit trickier to compare to me. Other than being the first member to 'leave' the trio, they don't seem to have too much in common, at least that I can think of. In fact, I always thought Naruto had more in common with Yahiko than Nagato (hair style, similar hair colors, goofy grin, ambition, etc.). Of course, I'd like to think Kishimoto would have some reason for drawing these panels, so I'll bring up the parallel that some of us might be dreading.

Is it possible that the parallels of the two teams will work out in a romantic sense? I can't recall if Nagato ever had feelings for Konan, or if Konan ever grew to develop feelings for Nagato, but it seems like a potential romance was being shown between Yahiko and Konan prior to his death, with Nagato seeming to support the two. So, if the parallel is drawn the same way Kishi drew on the splash page, it seems to imply a Sasu/Saku pairing, with Naruto supporting them.

I suppose the parallel could really work out both ways, seeing as how Nagato and Sasuke both have powerful eye techniques, and Naruto and Yahiko are drawn very similar, but I thought I'd bring the comparison up due to how the above page was organized. I'm guessing this page has been discussed here before, but I was just curious to see what anyone had to say on it.

It was Konan blushing at Yahiko so SS would use that as evidence

[rikakim94]

For me about nagato having feelings for konan seems very nonexistent too me because early on when yahiko and konan were about to kiss nagato was outside smiling like as if he didnt mind if the two were having some alone time together. Also yahiko seems to resemble naruto more considering that both wanted to be big leaders , a cheerful aditude and the grin that they got from jiraiya!

[merryGOflava]

to tell you the truth,...konan acts nothing like sakura and naruto acts nothing like nagato...same with sasuke and yahiko!!

i know its an interesting comparison but we will seriously worry ourselves to much if you put to much thought into this....i dont think kishi is even thinking as hard as us!!

T^T i hope we get a moment soon this is making me crazy...

[Anguyen92]

^^ Patience is the name of the game, well, at least, we're sitting easy, due to having lots of positives and barely any negatives for narusaku being canon. Imagine, how the NH and SS fanbase feels?

Edited by Anguyen92, 29 August 2011 - 11:36 PM.

[Greed-Sama]

to tell you the truth,...konan acts nothing like sakura and naruto acts nothing like nagato...same with sasuke and yahiko!!

Sure she does. She's loyal to her teammates and plays more of a supporting role than Nagato and Yahiko did during the early days of the Akatsuki.

[Super Boom]

You should, however, take into account that while a splash page could indicate parallels, it's not a very strong one considering the positioning of the characters are the only thing supporting that (and there isn't any other instance of this trio supporting this parallel). There are much stronger parallels in the actual storyline that pretty blatantly support/hint at NaruSaku, such as the Jiraiya and Tsunade relationship (Naruto succeeding where Jiraiya failed), and MinaKushi (the girl looking down the boy at first, and then falling in love with him and being complimented on the one physical feature she was most insecure about; and after Minato saved her life).

Yeah, I guess the comparison is pretty weak. Like I mentioned, you kind of have to struggle with the Yahiko/Sasuke comparison. Other than their respective roles in the trio, and the fact that they 'left' the team early (though I'm not sure Yahiko's death can really be compared with Sasuke's betrayal), the two really don't have too much in common.

As far as Nagato goes, for some reason I remember him blushing at Konan once or twice, but I also can't really remember if there was anything as substantial as Naruto's feelings for Sakura. With Naruto, you could tell that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke bothered him on some level (hospital scene, POAL scene). With Nagato, he instantly supports the two, once he realizes they had feelings for each other.

And I agree that the Sannin and Mina/Kushi parallels seem much more apparent than comparing Squad 7 to the Ame Trio. I guess the page doesn't have to mean anything, it just seemed odd that Kishi would draw them that way. Of course, the most obvious answer to that is just Kishi having fun comparing the three remaining villains in that arc (assuming that Tendo Pein = Yahiko) with Squad 7.

to tell you the truth,...konan acts nothing like sakura and naruto acts nothing like nagato...same with sasuke and yahiko!!

i know its an interesting comparison but we will seriously worry ourselves to much if you put to much thought into this....i dont think kishi is even thinking as hard as us!!

Yeah, I guess so. To be honest, the thing that bothered me the most about that comparison is how I originally thought Nagato was more like Sasuke, what with how they both possess legendary eye techniques, and how Naruto and Yahiko were almost identical in personality, appearance, and mannerisms (even the smile and pose young Yahiko has in the picture I posted makes him look just like Naruto, LOL). So when, I saw that page, it kind of made me go, "Huh?" But in any case, it doesn't have to mean anything, I just thought I'd introduce the subject.

T^T i hope we get a moment soon this is making me crazy...

Hahaha, me too.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 30 August 2011 - 12:52 AM.

[ciardha]

Sure she does. She's loyal to her teammates and plays more of a supporting role than Nagato and Yahiko did during the early days of the Akatsuki.

I think Merry was referring to Konan's personality, neither as a child or an adult is she like Sakura. As a child Konan seemed to have a friendly, upbeat nature but already followed Yahiko pretty much unquestionably. She wasn't excitable, tomboyish or feisty like Sakura. As an adult, Konan was pretty cold natured, she didn't seem to have any personality, she just was completely devoted to Nagato- whatever his goals were, were hers. Naruto seems to have made an impact, but mainly because Nagato chose to believe in him. Sakura may chose to trust in Naruto with all her heart, but she very much is her own person, even if she cares for someone she doesn't follow them blindly.

Edited by ciardha, 30 August 2011 - 01:07 AM.

[Phantom_999]

true enough, true enough ciardha *nods* I'm just guessing the colored page was just depicting their emotional similarities. Sakura is like Konan as since they both care for and love their 2 teammates very much and are supportive of them, Nagato is like Naruto in the sense that despite their strength and powers they are kind, loyal, get a little emotional at times and treat their female teammates tenderly lastly Sasuke is Like Yahiko due to their vengeful ambitions and would slaughter those that wronged them without remorse but have had more cheerful and carefree personalities in the past.

hey just a thought here but does anyone here think NH and SS shippers bash NS because Sakura was mean to Naruto at first and doesn't deserve a second chance?

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 August 2011 - 01:46 AM.

[Greed-Sama]

I think Merry was referring to Konan's personality, neither as a child or an adult is she like Sakura. As a child Konan seemed to have a friendly, upbeat nature but already followed Yahiko pretty much unquestionably. She wasn't excitable, tomboyish or feisty like Sakura. As an adult, Konan was pretty cold natured, she didn't seem to have any personality, she just was completely devoted to Nagato- whatever his goals were, were hers. Naruto seems to have made an impact, but mainly because Nagato chose to believe in him. Sakura may chose to trust in Naruto with all her heart, but she very much is her own person, even if she cares for someone she doesn't follow them blindly.

I think that was more of a design choice from Kishimoto. Konan obviously was a loyal person who's devotion to Nagato forced her to be cold and unresponsive. Yahiko's death and the constant warfare probably changed her in the long run.

[RedDelicious]

... lastly Sasuke is Like Yahiko...

Does that mean that Sasuke is going to die, and become Naruto's chakra puppet?

[Gravenimage]

Does that mean that Sasuke is going to die, and become Naruto's chakra puppet?

lol.

[Anguyen92]

Does that mean that Sasuke is going to die, and become Naruto's chakra puppet?

Hmmmm, that's a very interesting image as well as sick at the same time. I wonder what Naruto and Sakura would do to a chakra puppet Sasuke?

Edited by Anguyen92, 30 August 2011 - 09:42 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Does that mean that Sasuke is going to die, and become Naruto's chakra puppet?

lol.

SUUUURRRRREEE, when Naruto gets the Rinnegan, controls 5 other puppet minions, and becomes a shriveled skeleton, and Sakura becomes his obedient sex slave *snickers*

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 August 2011 - 09:56 PM.

[K9ofChaos]

hey just a thought here but does anyone here think NH and SS shippers bash NS because Sakura was mean to Naruto at first and doesn't deserve a second chance?

Well yeah, pretty much. Most Anti-NS and Sakura haters get stuck on the fact that Sakura behaved like a shallow bratty 12-year-old fangirl with a crush on Sasuke. Even though Sakura has greatly improved as a character in the sense of no longer fawning over Sasuke like some Justin Bieber fangirl, they still can't get over how badly she treated Naruto whether for justifiable reasons (keeping him in line for acting stupid, perverted or just being an arrogant jackass) or just for the sake of (figuratively, NOT literally) kissing Sasuke's ass (were she'd just agree with Sasuke on everything and not call him out when he did something uncalled for). Some people may never come to like a person if said person made a bad first impression in their point of view.


To them, it doesn't matter if Sakura is portrayed as a genuinely nice person who cares about her friends and teammates. I would describe their viewpoint of Sakura as a "once a b*tch, always a b*tch" mentality. In fact, I've seen comments on websites were people would insult Sakura over the smallest of things as if they think she can't do anything right. I once saw a picture of the Leaf girls on deviantART and when I looked at the comments I saw one guy call Sakura as an attention whore just because she happened to be in the center of the picture. There were a few comments in agreement with this guy and it seems to me that it didn't occur to any of them that maybe the artist most likely just put Sakura in the center for the sake of having her there without putting much thought into it. Technically it was a trace of hot-spring color spread with a different background and Sakura positioned in the middle of the pool instead of the front edge but still. Plus I'm pretty sure that Kishi's original intent wasn't to portray Sakura as an attention whore but rather as a girl just enjoying the warm water and spending some quality time with a few good friends.


So to sum it all up, They don't like Sakura due to how she treated Naruto in Part 1 and don't want her to have a second chance. They'd rather have Naruto be with Hinata just because she happened to like Naruto to begin with and have Sakura out of the picture by having her paired up with Sasuke and live a miserable life (except for those who genuinely ship SS and just simply prefer it over NS with Sasuke fangirlism as a contributing factor to their reasons for shipping SS) or be killed off somehow.

Edited by K9ofChaos, 30 August 2011 - 10:59 PM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ My goodness, really?? Really?? People hate Sakura that much?

It's not like we hate Hinata on that sort of level. I think some people here like her character and would want to see her happy with someone other than Naruto. We just don't like her fandom because they are really stretching the boundaries of speculation and perceive her as the queen of everything.

Edited by Anguyen92, 31 August 2011 - 05:18 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Well yeah, pretty much. Most Anti-NS and Sakura haters get stuck on the fact that Sakura behaved like a shallow bratty 12-year-old fangirl with a crush on Sasuke. Even though Sakura has greatly improved as a character in the sense of no longer fawning over Sasuke like some Justin Bieber fangirl, they still can't get over how badly she treated Naruto whether for justifiable reasons (keeping him in line for acting stupid, perverted or just being an arrogant jackass) or just for the sake of (figuratively, NOT literally) kissing Sasuke's ass (were she'd just agree with Sasuke on everything and not call him out when he did something uncalled for). Some people may never come to like a person if said person made a bad first impression in their point of view.


To them, it doesn't matter if Sakura is portrayed as a genuinely nice person who cares about her friends and teammates. I would describe their viewpoint of Sakura as a "once a b*tch, always a b*tch" mentality. In fact, I've seen comments on websites were people would insult Sakura over the smallest of things as if they think she can't do anything right. I once saw a picture of the Leaf girls on deviantART and when I looked at the comments I saw one guy call Sakura as an attention whore just because she happened to be in the center of the picture. There were a few comments in agreement with this guy and it seems to me that it didn't occur to any of them that maybe the artist most likely just put Sakura in the center for the sake of having her there without putting much thought into it. Technically it was a trace of hot-spring color spread with a different background and Sakura positioned in the middle of the pool instead of the front edge but still. Plus I'm pretty sure that Kishi's original intent wasn't to portray Sakura as an attention whore but rather as a girl just enjoying the warm water and spending some quality time with a few good friends.


So to sum it all up, They don't like Sakura due to how she treated Naruto in Part 1 and don't want her to have a second chance. They'd rather have Naruto be with Hinata just because she happened to like Naruto to begin with and have Sakura out of the picture by having her paired up with Sasuke and live a miserable life (except for those who genuinely ship SS and just simply prefer it over NS with Sasuke fangirlism as a contributing factor to their reasons for shipping SS) or be killed off somehow.

^^ My goodness, really?? Really?? People hate Sakura that much?

It's not like we hate Hinata on that sort of level. I think some people here like her character and would want to see her happy with someone other Naruto. We just don't like her fandom because they are really stretching the boundaries of speculation and perceive her as the queen of everything.

My thoughts exactly chaos *nods* People don't have a justifiable answer for hating Sakura they just want to keep their first impressions of her burned in their mind and don't want to change perceptions. And it's also true what you say about Hinata, Anguyen We don't hate her it's her fans that annoy the hell out of us

[applesandtea]

phew...haven't been here for a while and i've been lurking on these thread for quite a few days on my phone! anyway, anguyen92, yes...that is the case. i don't even understand how people can hate her this much. it'd be understandable if it was, say, a character like bella swan, but sakura showed her good side/good qualities, she's worked on her flaws/weaknesses, and she has had major development (although not as much as we sakura fans like (come on, kishiiiii. just give her a super awesome fight already/ tell us more about her/show how much she's improved)! i seriously can't wrap my head around it because although i can understand why people might think part I sakura is annoying, it pisses me off to no end when they are completely blind to the fact that sakura has changed a LOT. i mean, put part I and part II sakura side by side and compare them; you'll see just how far she's come already!

ah...sorry for the rant. i was just looking at the haruno sakura tag on tumblr and i got very irritated at what i saw. i do not like going through 8293579275 posts bashing sakura just to find awesome pictures of her i can reblog (i've been in the mood to do this lately considering the fact that i kind of came to a sort of revelation as to one of the reasons why i love sakura just so damn much...it's because i can relate to her very, very well).

and yeah i also don't have anything against hinata. actually, i liked her, but recently, her fanbase has been ruining things for me (well, the juvenile, stupid fans anyway; there are obviously intelligent, mature people who like her as well)...and the thread about her in the naruto general section has kind of made me start to think about her character a bit more...but i still like her after that. hinata's an okay girl and i hope she finds happiness, but i just don't get it when people put her on a pedestal and revere her like she's a holy goddess. she isn't. she has her flaws too just like any character (mary sues aside although they probably do have a flaw in that they are utterly annoying) and person in real life...i just kind of find it strange that even her flaws are admired and revered by some of her fans...i mean, if i was a huge hinata fan, i'd rather wish kishi developed her character more (not that it's necessary to the plot....she's not even that relevant to the plot at this point, to be blunt) and showed her working on her flaws. :X i mean, we're able to honestly point out sakura's flaws and most, if not all, of us on here wish to see her work on them.

ugh i'm getting off topic here; sorry. i tend to ramble a bit and i'm tired as hell so i have no idea if my words are even coherent right now. i'd just like to say that i'm glad sakura has fans who point out that she has things to work on which is totally fine because we like her imperfect and because we like her so much, we'd actually like to see her improve and grow as a character.

Edited by applesandtea, 31 August 2011 - 05:14 AM.

[Fenris]

I know what you mean, applesandtea. I hate what people say about Sakura on Tumblr. It sickens me. She's came SUCH a long way from the girl swooning over Sasuke day 1, now to someone who I believe has the capability to being one of the most powerful kunochi. (sp?) Bleh. People are just so blind, it's actually kind of ridiculous. Most of all the pairing fans of SasuSaku and NaruHina are either blind or the juvenile, fans like you said. Not that they're stupid for having their own opinion, because everyone at times make sense with theirs. (Even if NaruHina or SasuSaku) .. It just bothers me when people go ';'ugh ur so wrong they r made 4 each othr!!!'' That bothers me lol. They give no common facts or even details explaining their reasoning, they just 'say its so.' or something. I'm really too tired to get into my debate over why NaruSaku is God. So i'll just read through and have other opinions match my view of things like they always seem to do.

Btw. I didn't mean anyones stupid if they support SasuSaku or NaruHina xP i just meant about the juvenile and young fans who don't really know enough about reality to understand the situations, or aren't mature enough.

Edited by iamfenris, 31 August 2011 - 05:24 AM.