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[ramenanmitsu]

And besides, its never too soon to fall in love with him, because the fact that they are good friends, and the fact that they got meshing personalities that works kinda makes me think that they should have made this canon sooner than they should.

Actually, this is precisely the reason why I ask the question if people will be satisfied with the way it will become canon. There were plenty of moments when they should have made it to canon(=plenty of development) but, STILL she has not fallen in love with Naruto. If all those development, and all those times as best friends did not make her fall in love with him, but then out of nowhere she suddenly does I can not be satisfied.

I'm wondering about the same question. You're right the confession was all about Sakura still having lingering feelings for Sasuke and that's the only obstacle needed to be overcome before we get NS. I think it is better that Sakura resolve her feelings before Naruto and Sasuke fight. It seems more appropriate then after. If its after it would be like, "OMG you're so strong! You beat the other guy! I'm going to mate with you!". That's so primitive.

I'm not going to guess how Sakura is going to fall in love with Naruto completely. I'll let Kishi do his work and read it. I just want Naruto to battle Sasuke knowing Sakura has opened up to him and that will change his mind on him and Sasuke both dying together. Because if he knows Sakura loves him, he will throw away that stupid notion and try his best not to die so he can get back to the person he loves.

Exactly! at the bolded. If NS happens after the Sasuke and Naruto battle people will not be convinced(including me). I think it's essential she resolves her feelings before the battle, making sure her feelings are for Naruto no matter the outcome of the battle. Because, if she doesn't do that, it only makes Sakura look like she chose Naruto because he is the hero(especially after she said the exact same words during the confession). At this point, the only way I can see it not look like a major ass pull is that Sakura chooses Naruto before the Sasuke and Naruto battle, tells him her honest feelings, and after the battle he returns them. Also, if she doesn't resolve her feelings before the battle, Naruto will not be convinced of her answer "yes" when he confesses to her after he fulfills his promise(after the battle).

Also, I do believe that chapter 540 is the start of her overcoming the lingering feelings of Sasuke(as she looked ashamed that Sasuke was the guy she liked, and he's not the great guy).

As for the bolded part of your statement, there's multiple theories as to what will finally make her realize her feelings, but the one I tend to lean towards is the resolution of the bench scene. In Part I, Naruto henge'd as Sasuke and tried to get her to kiss him. He complimented her forehead, which was her biggest insecurity at the time, and unwittingly pushed her into loving Sasuke further. Well, recently in the story, we read about how Naruto's mom fell in love with his dad, in a somewhat similar scene (Minato complimenting Kushina's red hair). On top of that, the 'red thread of fate' works pretty well as a parallel to Sakura's insecurity, since it was a red ribbon that helped Sakura overcome her forehead problem. So I think, if Sakura finds out it was Naruto complimenting her in ch. 3, or if he simply does it again, it might help her realize that Naruto is the one she's been in love with all along.

I think that's probably the theory I like the most. It really is a clear parallel to MinaKushi. MinaKushi became a reality because Minato was the only one who complimented on Kushina's physical insecurity and made her to love it. If Naruto can make Sakura love her own forehead, she will realize what a great guy Naruto is to acknowledge her for who she is.

Edited by narunarunaru, 28 August 2011 - 04:55 PM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ I agree on the aspect of the whole Sakura all of sudden just fall in love with Naruto, after final battle with Sasuke, would cause her to be shallow and kill her character development.

But, the only thing I got to say is this and I've been saying this, throughout this thread, that they really need to have that one-on-one conversation, no interruptions, no 3rd-party. Just them, and a healthy talk of where they stand, how/why do they love each other, sort out all past events, and where they see each other in the future. Both of them are not going to make this relationship work without that sort of thing.

[ramenanmitsu]

^^ I agree on the aspect of the whole Sakura all of sudden just fall in love with Naruto, after final battle with Sasuke, would cause her to be shallow and kill her character development.

But, the only thing I got to say is this and I've been saying this, throughout this thread, that they really need to have that one-on-one conversation, no interruptions, no 3rd-party. Just them, and a healthy talk of where they stand, how/why do they love each other, sort out all past events, and where they see each other in the future. Both of them are not going to make this relationship work without that sort of thing.

YES PLEASE! KISHI LET THEM TALK!! I also want Naruto to consult more about his problems to Sakura, not only because I want NS to happen but because they are supposed to be comrades that support each other. Sakura is the only member in the old team 7 who was left out about the Uchiha Massacre(Kakashi always wants to keep her in the dark ). I always see Naruto as the walking stick of Sakura and not the other way around. Their relationship should be more of a partnership like MinaKushi, not like now where one is acting everything on his own and the other is just relying on him.

[Phantom_999]

Actually, this is precisely the reason why I ask the question if people will be satisfied with the way it will become canon. There were plenty of moments when they should have made it to canon(=plenty of development) but, STILL she has not fallen in love with Naruto. If all those development, and all those times as best friends did not make her fall in love with him, but then out of nowhere she suddenly does I can not be satisfied.


Exactly! at the bolded. If NS happens after the Sasuke and Naruto battle people will not be convinced(including me). I think it's essential she resolves her feelings before the battle, making sure her feelings are for Naruto no matter the outcome of the battle. Because, if she doesn't do that, it only makes Sakura look like she chose Naruto because he is the hero(especially after she said the exact same words during the confession). At this point, the only way I can see it not look like a major ass pull is that Sakura chooses Naruto before the Sasuke and Naruto battle, tells him her honest feelings, and after the battle he returns them. Also, if she doesn't resolve her feelings before the battle, Naruto will not be convinced of her answer "yes" when he confesses to her after he fulfills his promise(after the battle).

Also, I do believe that chapter 540 is the start of her overcoming the lingering feelings of Sasuke(as she looked ashamed that Sasuke was the guy she liked, and he's not the great guy).



I think that's probably the theory I like the most. It really is a clear parallel to MinaKushi. MinaKushi became a reality because Minato was the only one who complimented on Kushina's physical insecurity and made her to love it. If Naruto can make Sakura love her own forehead, she will realize what a great guy Naruto is to acknowledge her for who she is.

Yup my Thoughts exactly it would be the trolling of the next few thousand years honestly

YES PLEASE! KISHI LET THEM TALK!! I also want Naruto to consult more about his problems to Sakura, not only because I want NS to happen but because they are supposed to be comrades that support each other. Sakura is the only member in the old team 7 who was left out about the Uchiha Massacre(Kakashi always wants to keep her in the dark ). I always see Naruto as the walking stick of Sakura and not the other way around. Their relationship should be more of a partnership like MinaKushi, not like now where one is acting everything on his own and the other is just relying on him.

We're ALL hoping for that trust me Oh! and Welcome! *shakes hand*

Edited by Phantom_999, 28 August 2011 - 05:13 PM.

[Anguyen92]

YES PLEASE! KISHI LET THEM TALK!! I also want Naruto to consult more about his problems to Sakura, not only because I want NS to happen but because they are supposed to be comrades that support each other. Sakura is the only member in the old team 7 who was left out about the Uchiha Massacre(Kakashi always wants to keep her in the dark ). I always see Naruto as the walking stick of Sakura and not the other way around. Their relationship should be more of a partnership like MinaKushi, not like now where one is acting everything on his own and the other is just relying on him.

If there is always one quibble, I got with narusaku, it is this. For the most part, it does not seem like a 50-50 partnership. I just wished that they have more of a 50-50 kind of thing where they can always know that the other's strengths are always there to help out.

So, I just wished Kishi would have worked in that kind of direction a little bit more, because it seems like it only happened once during their fight with Kakashi for the bells.

Edited by Anguyen92, 28 August 2011 - 06:41 PM.

[rikakim94]

The one thing that im really worried about is that kishi might have to play with the ship before making it canonical. Therefore he might give a fanservice towards towards our rival ship sasusaku and naruhina. Which still fells one sided even if it was done in a fanservice way.

[Phantom_999]

Oh YEAH! that would be a pain for sure

[Anguyen92]

Sigh......, I just wish that this whole shipping wars would just stop and that there's some sort of peace treaty or something like that to calm down. As fans, whether we win or lose, or they win or lose, we're all going see the Naruto series to the end. Hmmmmm, I wonder how the opposition is handling this sort of shipping hints drought right now?

Edited by Anguyen92, 28 August 2011 - 11:40 PM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Sigh......, I just wish that this whole shipping wars would just stop and that there's some sort of peace treaty or something like that to calm down. As fans, whether we win or lose, or they win or lose, we're all going see the Naruto series to the end. Hmmmmm, I wonder how the opposition is handling this sort of shipping hints drought right now?

People have tried to stop these wars for so long but people just dont really listen.

[ramenanmitsu]

We're ALL hoping for that trust me Oh! and Welcome! *shakes hand*

Thank you for the welcome

The one thing that im really worried about is that kishi might have to play with the ship before making it canonical. Therefore he might give a fanservice towards towards our rival ship sasusaku and naruhina. Which still fells one sided even if it was done in a fanservice way.

Actually, I was worried about that too. SasuSaku is the most popular het pairing in Japan. If Kishi makes Sakura kiss Sasuke, or Naruto kiss Hinata, that is going to make NS look cheap plus the annoying fans that are going to go, "Sasuke kissed Sakura first! Take that!" or "Naruto kissed Hinata first! Take that!" Geez, I don't know if I can keep being a NS fan if that happens...

[Anguyen92]

^^ Ehhh, don't worry about the opposition fans' reaction, if they ever come here and try to abuse us with the gloating, they are going to get banned, though, they might not care and never come here again just to prove a point.

Though, if Kishi knew that Sasusaku is the most popular het pairing in Japan, wouldn't he, I don't know, just try to actually build up better interactions between them and just make them canon already, like around the eariler chapters?

I don't think Kishi is making a pairing canon just because of popular reaction. He's got the final canon pairing already locked up since the start of this. It may be narusaku or it may be not, but I'm certain that the people's influence has nothing to do with his decision.

[ramenanmitsu]

^^ Ehhh, don't worry about the opposition fans' reaction, if they ever come here and try to abuse us with the gloating, they are going to get banned, though, they might not care and never come here again just to prove a point.

Though, if Kishi knew that Sasusaku is the most popular het pairing in Japan, wouldn't he, I don't know, just try to actually build up better interactions between them and just make them canon already, like around the eariler chapters?

I don't think Kishi is making a pairing canon just because of popular reaction. He's got the final canon pairing already locked up since the start of this. It may be narusaku or it may be not, but I'm certain that the people's influence has nothing to do with his decision.

I'm also sure that the fanbase won't make a pairing canon in Kishi's case What I am saying is that, even if he won't make SasuSaku canon, he might put in some fanservice here and there just to please the big fanbase. I hope this won't be the case.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well, I'm sure that not going to be the case but, then again, I think that there were some turmoil during the time 540 was released, but I'm not sure. Hmmmm, well, I guess I need to know this question. For those that were around during 540, that was like two, three days before I actually came, what was the atmosphere of the debate thread and the opposition pairings sites at that time?

Edited by Anguyen92, 29 August 2011 - 02:56 AM.

[Super Boom]

^^ Well, I'm sure that not going to be the case but, then again, I think that there were some turmoil during the time 540 was released, but I'm not sure. Hmmmm, well, I guess I need to know this question. For those that were around during 540, that was like two, three days before I actually came, what was the atmosphere of the debate thread and the opposition pairings sites at that time?

Ha ha, I think most of the veteran members here either didn't care (or haven't cared for a while) or were laughing at people's over-reaction, but I remember it being pretty hectic here with a lot of the fandom. A lot of lurkers came out of hiding to voice assurance/despair, and I remember at least one member of the opposition even registered an account here that day in order to gloat. You can check the 540 thread if you're curious, it's kind of a fun read.
I was still sort of new here when it happened, but I remember thinking people were reacting way too heavily to it. I think it was due to how sparse the shipping hints are in the manga, so one small scene like that (one panel to be precise) will cause shipping fans to either celebrate or go into a massive depression.

In any case, I really didn't see how that chapter warranted such an outrage/celebration anyway. All it did was show Sakura's feelings for Sasuke in a negative light. Plus, we got that awesome scene where she elbowed Zetsu-Neji into the ground. To be honest, if it wasn't for the annoying shipping reaction, 540 would have been one of my favorite chapters in the current arc.

[Master Sage]

Ahhhh 540, let me say that whole week was full of surprises, and lots of drama in this thread. Even I started to loose some of my hope in narusaku a bit, but soon (with the help of many others here) I was able to see that moment in a good way. Though the unexpected visit by the new "guest" of ours was pretty hilarious, but so unneeded.

The same "guest" reminded me of this person who started a very hectic fan pairing war on a Narusaku Amv that i was watching. In the comment section there was a comment saying"NH 4 Evar" thus starting about 2 or 3 pages of conflict between NS fans and NH fans. The funny thing was that the Naruhina fan had only watched the anime of the first part of Naruto including all of the fillers sooo we all know how that went

I just wish that Fans of a pairing would just stay with there groups and stop trying to start arguments. As my mom used to tell me "if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all"

Edited by Master Sage, 29 August 2011 - 04:53 AM.

[Anguyen92]

I just wish that Fans of a pairing would just stay with there groups and stop trying to start arguments. As my mom used to tell me "if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all"

I just don't know why these people can't apply that simple, yet very effective apporach, when they are talking/bashing about Sakura or narusaku.

I mean is the majority of the people here being hard on naruhina, the way NH fandoms are with narusaku? A good chance that we are not and if something happens that may "benefit" naruhina, we would just talk about and go insane for like 30 min and then take a breather and make a clear and good-hearted concience thought on it.

Edited by Anguyen92, 29 August 2011 - 05:47 AM.

[Greed-Sama]

I just don't know why these people can't apply that simple, yet very effective apporach, when they are talking/bashing about Sakura or narusaku.

I mean is the majority of the people here being hard on naruhina, the way NH fandoms are with narusaku? A good chance that we are not and if something happens that may "benefit" naruhina, we would just talk about and go insane for like 30 min and then take a breather and make a clear and good-hearted concience thought on it.

Maybe a small minority, but I'd say that NaruSaku fans even on this site can be a little condescending when it comes to talking about NaruHina and SasuSaku, myself included. It's a double standard that comes with the territory. And insane for 30 min? When Chapter 540 was released this forum exploded with people giving up on the pairing, jumping ships to what they thought were going to win (though I'm not sure we can win anything), or over analyze the chapter until their eyeballs melted. It just makes you realize that something Kishimoto writes could very well change the canon future. Nothing is set in stone.

Edited by TheOmegaMan, 29 August 2011 - 06:38 AM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ I know nothing is set in stone, and we could, somehow, lose to due an epic swerve from Kishi and unfortunately, that's the way it is. If that actually happens, I'm sure the forum would probably crash on us, or people would be posting as if they are chickens with their heads cut off, but I'm sure that others would just take it in stride and just move on to the next best thing.

However, it is double standard on what would happen if the opposite, of what I just said, would happen. Fandoms are really one fickle bunch to be tangling with but that's what makes it exciting and interesting.

Edited by Anguyen92, 29 August 2011 - 06:38 AM.

[Greed-Sama]

^^ I know nothing is set in stone, and we could, somehow, lose to due an epic swerve from Kishi and unfortunately, that's the way it is. If that actually happens, I'm sure the forum would probably crash on us, or people would be posting as if they are chickens with their heads cut off, but I'm sure that others would just take it in stride and just move on to the next best thing.

However, it is double standard on what would happen if the opposite, of what I just said, would happen. Fandoms are really one fickle bunch to be tangling with but that's what makes it exciting and interesting.

The imagery that comes to mind

It would be epic if only to witness such a thing.

[Phantom_999]

Maybe a small minority, but I'd say that NaruSaku fans even on this site can be a little condescending when it comes to talking about NaruHina and SasuSaku, myself included. It's a double standard that comes with the territory. And insane for 30 min? When Chapter 540 was released this forum exploded with people giving up on the pairing, jumping ships to what they thought were going to win (though I'm not sure we can win anything), or over analyze the chapter until their eyeballs melted. It just makes you realize that something Kishimoto writes could very well change the canon future. Nothing is set in stone.

Well isn't that obvious? He'll write as he chooses no one can be absolutely sure how it will turn out, not even himself no matter how much he plans it out. There WILL be changes on the way if he is inspired to do so. And No one is NOT condescending when it comes to pairings and couples because we all want to believe that our pairing will
happen no matter what and if "competition" arrives we don't want theirs to happen. it's a debate to keep what we want alive what do you expect, right?