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[Phantom_999]

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*Ahem* so I can't seem to get on mangareader.net anyone else here same thing so what did I miss ?

[Anguyen92]

Welcome back phantom, well, last I recall, we were talking about crack pairings, chapter 540, how naruhina being canon would/would not benefit Naruto, and how big, a reputation, Sakura has as a medic-nin.

And we got some influx of new members voicing their questions and opinions.

Edited by Anguyen92, 24 August 2011 - 10:16 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Oh I see I see, thanks Anguyen well I don't think Sakura has a HUGE reputation if you count the ENTIRE alliance but she WILL for sure

And welcome to all new members!!

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 August 2011 - 02:04 PM.

[narusakuluv]

So I'm butting in with a new topic, but this thought just occurred to me and I wanted to see what everyone thought of it.

Spoilers for Naruto Chapter 469 and Fruits Basket Chapter 120 --Click here to view--

A couple years ago - when I was actually somewhat active here, lol - I posted something comparing narusaku with kyo and tohru from Fruits Basket (Kyoru, for short). The scene where Kyo transforms into a monster and Tohru is the only one to run after him is somewhat reminiscent of the Heaven and Earth bridge scene.
Now, I understand that the two couples are more different than they are similar. But there is another parallel that I think is very interesting.
In chapters 119-120, Kyo confronts Tohru about her feelings for him. Even though he loves her, he doesn't think he deserves her since he's got a lot of self-hatred and thinks he's responsible for her mother's death. The circumstances are different, but the phrases are eerily similar.


Notice how in both images, their faces are shaded darker and both girls are looking up with a shocked exp​ression.
It's not a perfect comparison, but it is an example of a seemingly failed confession that ended up being made right. In both cases there are intense feelings and buildup between the pair, yet something is keeping the boy from believing that the girl could actually love them. Also: while the boy's feelings were made clear much earlier, this is the first time the girl's feelings have been explicitly addressed.
I thought this would be interesting to share, since the confession is always something that's bothered me. Now, however, I feel a little more secure: because if I'd been waiting for Fruit's Basket week by week I would have been freaked out by "Your love is an illusion" as much as "I hate people who lie to themselves." Looking at the Kyoru romance in retrospect, the failed confession made their relationship go up a notch in angstiness and epicness. It's a device to add dramatic tension to a romance and I'm hoping that's what Kishimoto is doing.

Have there been any other "confessions gone wrong" in other mangas? They might be worthwhile to compare.

[catsi563]

thats prettty much what it is. Its an honest confession but done with bad timing and at an awkward moment. And in this case as well with some ulterior motives on top of the revelation of her feelings. The boy in question has a mindset and mental image though of hiow things are supposed to be and it doesnt match with the confession so he is unable to accept whats happening.

it throws the relationship into turmoil and provided impetus into future confrontations.

[merryGOflava]

thats prettty much what it is. Its an honest confession but done with bad timing and at an awkward moment. And in this case as well with some ulterior motives on top of the revelation of her feelings. The boy in question has a mindset and mental image though of hiow things are supposed to be and it doesnt match with the confession so he is unable to accept whats happening.

it throws the relationship into turmoil and provided impetus into future confrontations.

its like the guy wont be satisfied until he has confessed...and hes to scared to >_> ugh!! naruto do it already!

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well both Naruto and Sakura has to do something big to make sure that this relationship is for real. For Naruto, he's going to have to try to accept that yes, Sakura does indeed love him and that the context of the confession was true, it was horribliy timed. Also, he does need to take the plunge and dive in and make the confession. If she accepts, which she will, then great. If not, then that's how it is.

As for Sakura, she needs to do something to show him that, yes, she actually does love him, if she is willing. What that something is will have to show him what the reality of their relationship is and then they can actually move on and have this relationship mature to the highest point. If both of them keep whats happening to them all concealed up inside, then the relationship will be in flux and both of them is never going to be fully happy about it.

Edited by Anguyen92, 26 August 2011 - 06:20 PM.

[Super Boom]

So I'm butting in with a new topic, but this thought just occurred to me and I wanted to see what everyone thought of it.

Spoilers for Naruto Chapter 469 and Fruits Basket Chapter 120 --Click here to view--

A couple years ago - when I was actually somewhat active here, lol - I posted something comparing narusaku with kyo and tohru from Fruits Basket (Kyoru, for short). The scene where Kyo transforms into a monster and Tohru is the only one to run after him is somewhat reminiscent of the Heaven and Earth bridge scene.
Now, I understand that the two couples are more different than they are similar. But there is another parallel that I think is very interesting.
In chapters 119-120, Kyo confronts Tohru about her feelings for him. Even though he loves her, he doesn't think he deserves her since he's got a lot of self-hatred and thinks he's responsible for her mother's death. The circumstances are different, but the phrases are eerily similar.


Notice how in both images, their faces are shaded darker and both girls are looking up with a shocked exp​ression.
It's not a perfect comparison, but it is an example of a seemingly failed confession that ended up being made right. In both cases there are intense feelings and buildup between the pair, yet something is keeping the boy from believing that the girl could actually love them. Also: while the boy's feelings were made clear much earlier, this is the first time the girl's feelings have been explicitly addressed.
I thought this would be interesting to share, since the confession is always something that's bothered me. Now, however, I feel a little more secure: because if I'd been waiting for Fruit's Basket week by week I would have been freaked out by "Your love is an illusion" as much as "I hate people who lie to themselves." Looking at the Kyoru romance in retrospect, the failed confession made their relationship go up a notch in angstiness and epicness. It's a device to add dramatic tension to a romance and I'm hoping that's what Kishimoto is doing.

Have there been any other "confessions gone wrong" in other mangas? They might be worthwhile to compare.

Wow, that's a great observation. I've never read/watched Fruits Basket, but the scenes do seem fairly similar.

I'm sort of hesitant to ask this question (all the FB fans are probably gonna facepalm at this), but do Kyo and Tohru eventually become an item? Obviously I assume there's differences between Naru/Saku and Kyo/Tohru, and it means nothing either way unless Kishi admits to using it as inspiration, but I can't help but be curious. At the very least, it could be good proof that a mis-timed/poorly handled confession doesn't necessary kill the pairing, like a lot of people in the Naruto shipping fandom seem to believe.

[merryGOflava]

Wow, that's a great observation. I've never read/watched Fruits Basket, but the scenes do seem fairly similar.

I'm sort of hesitant to ask this question (all the FB fans are probably gonna facepalm at this), but do Kyo and Tohru eventually become an item? Obviously I assume there's differences between Naru/Saku and Kyo/Tohru, and it means nothing either way unless Kishi admits to using it as inspiration, but I can't help but be curious. At the very least, it could be good proof that a mis-timed/poorly handled confession doesn't necessary kill the pairing, like a lot of people in the Naruto shipping fandom seem to believe.

an item? if you mean a couple then yes kyo and tohru get happily married if i recall :3 by saying she loves him, (and kyo accepting later on when he confesses) tohru literally saved him from a curse :3

[ciardha]

an item? if you mean a couple then yes kyo and tohru get happily married if i recall :3 by saying she loves him, (and kyo accepting later on when he confesses) tohru literally saved him from a curse :3

Oh yeah, definitely happily married. We get a glimpse of their daughter as a teenager in the final chapter.

[Phantom_999]

Well yeah ,but has said heroine in fruits basket been in love with another guy? all these comparisons are likely lacking compatibility if there aren't any love triangles

Edited by Phantom_999, 26 August 2011 - 11:00 PM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Wow, Phantom, once again, you swept all four catagories of the subforums, its good to have you back man. So once again, since we're at a standstill, thanks to the war, as always, let's just hope for the best.

[Phantom_999]

I just enjoy posting but thank you though And We're definitely hoping for the best for NS

[ramenanmitsu]

I want to ask a question. Sorry, if this was already discussed I'm new.

I'm in the opinion that the confession wasn't genuine but actually genuine(consequence 1), or not genuine at all(option 2).
What I mean by "wasn't genuine but actually genuine" is that she probably loves Naruto but doesn't realize it yet, so the confession wasn't genuine in a way because she didn't say that because she thinks so herself. If there are other people who also thinks this way here, I want to ask you guys what will it take for her to realize she was in love with him all along.

And what I mean by "not genuine at all"(consequence 2) is that she is still in love with Sasuke, Naruto is close but she has yet to fall in love with him. And if there are other people who share the same thoughts as this, I want to ask you guys what will it take for her to fall in love with Naruto? The story is probably going to finish soon and at this point if she falls in love with Naruto, isn't it too soon? Will you be satisfied with it ending like that?

Edited by narunarunaru, 28 August 2011 - 03:21 PM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ I think most people here do believe that the confession, she made, was pretty much designed that she was actually telling the truth, but it was horribly timed and she did not know it was true at the time, remember she was "going" by the plan.

Now, as for the bolded, well, what will it take to fall in love with Naruto in a way that does not seem fangirlish? Hmmmm, well, I say she needs to do something big for Naruto to prove to herself that she does love him, if she's willing. And besides, its never too soon to fall in love with him, because the fact that they are good friends, and the fact that they got meshing personalities that works kinda makes me think that they should have made this canon sooner than they should.

Edited by Anguyen92, 28 August 2011 - 04:04 PM.

[Darth Krypt]

I want to ask a question. Sorry, if this was already discussed I'm new.

I'm in the opinion that the confession wasn't genuine but actually genuine(consequence 1), or not genuine at all(option 2).
What I mean by "wasn't genuine but actually genuine" is that she probably loves Naruto but doesn't realize it yet, so the confession wasn't genuine in a way because she didn't say that because she thinks so herself. If there are other people who also thinks this way here, I want to ask you guys what will it take for her to realize she was in love with him all along.

And what I mean by "not genuine at all"(consequence 2) is that she is still in love with Sasuke, Naruto is close but she has yet to fall in love with him. And if there are other people who share the same thoughts as this, I want to ask you guys what will it take for her to fall in love with Naruto? The story is probably going to finish soon and at this point if she falls in love with Naruto, isn't it too soon? Will you be satisfied with it ending like that?

I'm wondering about the same question. You're right the confession was all about Sakura still having lingering feelings for Sasuke and that's the only obstacle needed to be overcome before we get NS. I think it is better that Sakura resolve her feelings before Naruto and Sasuke fight. It seems more appropriate then after. If its after it would be like, "OMG you're so strong! You beat the other guy! I'm going to mate with you!". That's so primitive.

I'm not going to guess how Sakura is going to fall in love with Naruto completely. I'll let Kishi do his work and read it. I just want Naruto to battle Sasuke knowing Sakura has opened up to him and that will change his mind on him and Sasuke both dying together. Because if he knows Sakura loves him, he will throw away that stupid notion and try his best not to die so he can get back to the person he loves.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 28 August 2011 - 04:11 PM.

[Super Boom]

I want to ask a question. Sorry, if this was already discussed I'm new.

I'm in the opinion that the confession wasn't genuine but actually genuine(consequence 1), or not genuine at all(option 2).
What I mean by "wasn't genuine but actually genuine" is that she probably loves Naruto but doesn't realize it yet, so the confession wasn't genuine in a way because she didn't say that because she thinks so herself. If there are other people who also thinks this way here, I want to ask you guys what will it take for her to realize she was in love with him all along.

This is the conclusion I generally lean towards, though I might disagree somewhere, I'm not sure.

I guess I took it as more that she's aware that she's developing feelings for Naruto, but she tried to force the confession at a bad time, and with an ulterior motive on top of that. The part that bothered Naruto was that she was claiming to be over Sasuke, and he couldn't get his mind around that. I might be disagreeing with some of the other posters on this site, but I'm of the mind that she still has lingering feelings for Sasuke, so I'm not sure Naruto was entirely wrong about that. But to me, Sakura's reaction to Naruto's response sort of proved that she was being partially honest. I mean, if she was lying about the whole thing, why did her acting ability just suddenly improve after he made his "I hate people..." comment? So I guess my opinion was that she was lying about being over Sasuke, but not about being over Naruto. But I might be wrong.

As for the bolded part of your statement, there's multiple theories as to what will finally make her realize her feelings, but the one I tend to lean towards is the resolution of the bench scene. In Part I, Naruto henge'd as Sasuke and tried to get her to kiss him. He complimented her forehead, which was her biggest insecurity at the time, and unwittingly pushed her into loving Sasuke further. Well, recently in the story, we read about how Naruto's mom fell in love with his dad, in a somewhat similar scene (Minato complimenting Kushina's red hair). On top of that, the 'red thread of fate' works pretty well as a parallel to Sakura's insecurity, since it was a red ribbon that helped Sakura overcome her forehead problem. So I think, if Sakura finds out it was Naruto complimenting her in ch. 3, or if he simply does it again, it might help her realize that Naruto is the one she's been in love with all along.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 28 August 2011 - 04:28 PM.

[Anguyen92]

I'm not going to guess how Sakura is going to fall in love with Naruto completely. I'll let Kishi do his work and read it. I just want Naruto to battle Sasuke knowing Sakura has opened up to him and that will change his mind on him and Sasuke both dying together. Because if he knows Sakura loves him, he will throw away that stupid notion and try his best not to die so he can get back to the person he loves.

I seriously hope that the scenario, you made, happens as well, but I honestly don't think both of them are going to die together, Sasuke might, but Naruto unlikely.

Wait. Didn't Naruto made that statement that both are going to die together, because he knows that he might have to take himself out in order to stop Sasuke from destroying the village, and not because of his "bond" with Sasuke. Which means, regardless of if both Naruto and Sakura truly loves each other, at that point in presumably final battle with Sasuke, Naruto knows that the protecting Konoha is top priority. Him and Sakura loving each other does not influence that decision unfortunately.

[Darth Krypt]

^^ Then it will be a tragic ending. Sakura confesses before the big battle but Naruto dies after that.

[Phantom_999]

Well I say the confession was true it only drew suspicion because she said she doesn't care about Sasuke anymore which is strange be cause she has proven in recent times before that Sasuke wasn't out of her mind that's what Naruto meant when he said she was lying to herself because why would she, who had a crush on Sasuke and was heartbroken when he left, say she has moved on from him now? is what Naruto was thinking at that moment I'm sure

Edited by Phantom_999, 28 August 2011 - 04:40 PM.