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[Gravenimage]

why u guys are discussing this on the road to ninja thread i really wanted to see the translations but instead you guys went off-topic and flooding the thread
Mods plz move the posts to the H&E heaven and earth debate thread.

Sorry about that but we only have one page of going off to topic.

[kirabook]

I wouldn't consider it that off topic. To me, it just further proves that Kishi had a lot to do with this movie. By the looks of it, they're going to be more aligned with their canon personalities than ever before. Maybe not at the beginning though. They're supposed to be at their worst so that by the end they'll be at their best.

[redragon88]

Also, I'm pretty sure Hinata jumped in to fight Pain because she couldn't stand seeing Naruto being defeated and she was desperate to help him, not because she wanted to improve herself. Although, I still consider Naruto's love for Sakura to be above Hinata's love for Naruto.

If you check the chapter again you'll see how the minute Hinata jumps in Naruto tells her to retreat since she stands no chance against Pain. Hinata then immediately lets him know she's simply being selfish. She then talks about how she always used to give up but that thanks to Naruto she wasn't gonna do that anymore. Hinata jumped in knowing she wouldn't change anything, she was aware Pain would easily defeat her. But at the very least she would knew that she went down fighting instead of giving up.

So yeah, if you check the chapter you'll clearly see how Hinata's confession was all about how she gets the courage to stand up for herself. It's all about improving herself as a person.

[Traci]

If you check the chapter again you'll see how the minute Hinata jumps in Naruto tells her to retreat since she stands no chance against Pain. Hinata then immediately lets him know she's simply being selfish. She then talks about how she always used to give up but that thanks to Naruto she wasn't gonna do that anymore. Hinata jumped in knowing she wouldn't change anything, she was aware Pain would easily defeat her. But at the very least she would knew that she went down fighting instead of giving up.

So yeah, if you check the chapter you'll clearly see how Hinata's confession was all about how she gets the courage to stand up for herself. It's all about improving herself as a person.

So she wanted to die knowing that she truly did all she could, thanks to Naruto... I can agree with you there, since the confession was excellent character development for Hinata.

[redragon88]

So she wanted to die knowing that she truly did all she could, thanks to Naruto... I can agree with you there, since the confession was excellent character development for Hinata.

I know, right?

Don't get me wrong, even if I prefer for Sakura to be with Naruto I really loved the chapter of Hinata's confession. Her love for Naruto is very sweet. I simply wanted to indicate how the feelings of the girls, whether good or bad, are more centered on the effect they themselves get from it. On the other hand, Naruto's feelings for Sakura are never about how it affect him, it's always about how Sakura can be happy.

That's a key difference for Naruto's love. While Sakura (with Sasuke) and Hinata (with Naruto) have feelings that take, Naruto has feelings that give.

[tricksie]

XD Heh. In some ways it reminds me of your fic.

lol - Dark Naruto.... Yes please! (Yeah, somehow it reminded me of the fic too!)

It's kind of cool that this movie is delivering on fanservice just about on all sides, exaggerating the characters, no real bashing. I think every ship could find something to like and dislike about this movie. And it's putting out new ways to see your favorite characters, if you so choose (like Hinata as a bombshell and Sasuke as a playboy and Naruto as a non-emo bad guy). Plus it's definitely giving a boost to the ItaSaku ship and introducing a whoooole new ship in Menma/Sakura. (Which is much more appealing than a kyuubi/Sakura ship - which seems to be the only alternate-Naruto ship that has any traction.)

And then the naked bath scenes that are anything other than steamy. It's like Kishimoto decided to do some fanservice in a much more tongue-in-cheek way than anyone expected. It's a nice surprise!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

all this went off topic i dont know if we are discussing the movie, the manga or the anime....

[TouKen4Life3g]

all this went off topic i dont know if we are discussing the movie, the manga or the anime....

Well, they are talking about anime studio (movie) and Naruto's feelings (date request), so it does connect to the movie. Just kidding.

Well, nothing else to discuss for now. I do believe NaruSaku is the end game if you ask me. While not being 100% confident, I just don't see him forcing us to believe that the other pairings are the one he goes for. Fans comments back in the movie blog suggest that NaruSaku is part of the whole story as well as part of Naruto's dreams. In other words, fans already acknowledge that NaruSaku is one of the bonds that they look forward to its development. Even Asian Kung-Fu Generation made a deal out of it. Granted the manga isn't romance manga, but Kishi does cover the romance aspect of the series, mainly NaruSaku since he has been developing it since part 1. Part 1 is about them getting to know one another and become best friends. Part 2 is the start of stronger relationship and romance for them, especially the Kage Summit Arc.

That's why I endure this pairing in the first place. It is how well developed that they both gone thru over the whole series. We start from hate to like to care deeply to possibly in love. Sakura is the only one that has the call to all this. Naruto is already in love with her and it just gets stronger. There are bumping road, but Naruto knows Sakura and no way he will drop his feelings for her. People would assume that their bonds isn't really important or we exaggerated. This movie disprove the whole argument. A lot of people who saw the movie pinpoint that NaruSaku bonds is an important factor in the movie, besides parental theme.

I mean when you recapped the whole spoilers into one, Kishi starts them off in a bad situation. Then, as the story progress, they see each other on their own shoes, (Naruto watching Sakura being praised, Sakura watching Naruto being scolded from his parents). Sakura is the one that needed the most development and now understands that Naruto was a very strong ninja, even with fame. Both of them needed development, yes, but Sakura needed the most because she hated her parents and want to be Naruto's shoes, and Sakura lost her trust in Naruto to cheer him up because she always knew that Naruto will cheer her up, but unfortunately, Naruto doesn't know about family like that and he was really upset. Naruto needs to accept that his family is gone and he must move on and allow people (Iruka) to be his guardian. He thinks having parents will cleanse his loneliness, but he has Iruka to cheer him up. Also, he needs to understand that leaving real Konoha goes against his real parents' wishes and Sakura have to tell him to escape the illusion. Oh, and part 3 is a NaruSaku galore, especially IF the holding her like MinaKushi is true. The chains were already enough to see parallels.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well, they are talking about anime studio (movie) and Naruto's feelings (date request), so it does connect to the movie. Just kidding.

Well, nothing else to discuss for now. I do believe NaruSaku is the end game if you ask me. While not being 100% confident, I just don't see him forcing us to believe that the other pairings are the one he goes for. Fans comments back in the movie blog suggest that NaruSaku is part of the whole story as well as part of Naruto's dreams. In other words, fans already acknowledge that NaruSaku is one of the bonds that they look forward to its development. Even Asian Kung-Fu Generation made a deal out of it. Granted the manga isn't romance manga, but Kishi does cover the romance aspect of the series, mainly NaruSaku since he has been developing it since part 1. Part 1 is about them getting to know one another and become best friends. Part 2 is the start of stronger relationship and romance for them, especially the Kage Summit Arc.

That's why I endure this pairing in the first place. It is how well developed that they both gone thru over the whole series. We start from hate to like to care deeply to possibly in love. Sakura is the only one that has the call to all this. Naruto is already in love with her and it just gets stronger. There are bumping road, but Naruto knows Sakura and no way he will drop his feelings for her. People would assume that their bonds isn't really important or we exaggerated. This movie disprove the whole argument. A lot of people who saw the movie pinpoint that NaruSaku bonds is an important factor in the movie, besides parental theme.

I mean when you recapped the whole spoilers into one, Kishi starts them off in a bad situation. Then, as the story progress, they see each other on their own shoes, (Naruto watching Sakura being praised, Sakura watching Naruto being scolded from his parents). Sakura is the one that needed the most development and now understands that Naruto was a very strong ninja, even with fame. Both of them needed development, yes, but Sakura needed the most because she hated her parents and want to be Naruto's shoes, and Sakura lost her trust in Naruto to cheer him up because she always knew that Naruto will cheer her up, but unfortunately, Naruto doesn't know about family like that and he was really upset. Naruto needs to accept that his family is gone and he must move on and allow people (Iruka) to be his guardian. He thinks having parents will cleanse his loneliness, but he has Iruka to cheer him up. Also, he needs to understand that leaving real Konoha goes against his real parents' wishes and Sakura have to tell him to escape the illusion. Oh, and part 3 is a NaruSaku galore, especially IF the holding her like MinaKushi is true. The chains were already enough to see parallels.

the fact that sakura is kidnapped and tied up in chain then naruto with the 4th hokage's cloak goes to rescue her, looks like minakushi and kills the charade off, i think right after the fight with tobi sakura will give a kiss on naruto instead of a hug.

[alexander]

the fact that sakura is kidnapped and tied up in chain then naruto with the 4th hokage's cloak goes to rescue her, looks like minakushi and kills the charade off, i think right after the fight with tobi sakura will give a kiss on naruto instead of a hug.

Were did you heard that? I don't think anyone mentioned that before.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Were did you heard that? I don't think anyone mentioned that before.

there's a link on the page 257-258 that shows some scenes on the movie...

[TouKen4Life3g]

Were did you heard that? I don't think anyone mentioned that before.

It's not for kisses (I wish), but if they were together, it would so happen. Maybe Kishi would have done it but it's a movie, so must be safe to not make the pairing canon.

Okay guys. I bring you more news!

1) It turns out Sakura only ran away from Sasuke. TakL said she didn't cry. I think when Shadow said she ran away and cried, he probably meant that she ran away and cried as in upset with him for not caring for her at all.

2) About the bridal rescue.......IT IS TRUE! Naruto saves her the same way as MinaKushi! Kishi, are you sick or something, or you have something with these parallels? Naruto does hand her over Itachi in a same position in which Naruto proceed to tell him, "Please take care of Sakura-chan."

P.S. TakL is not a pairing fan, rather he just wants what's best for Naruto. So, NaruSaku it is? Got you. He got a little annoyed by matrix.

So, is there anything you would like me to ask him?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 August 2012 - 03:43 PM.

[redragon88]

the fact that sakura is kidnapped and tied up in chain then naruto with the 4th hokage's cloak goes to rescue her, looks like minakushi and kills the charade off, i think right after the fight with tobi sakura will give a kiss on naruto instead of a hug.

Are you still planning to see the movie as you said in previous posts?

[Malverstation]

Well, they are talking about anime studio (movie) and Naruto's feelings (date request), so it does connect to the movie. Just kidding.

Well, nothing else to discuss for now. I do believe NaruSaku is the end game if you ask me. While not being 100% confident, I just don't see him forcing us to believe that the other pairings are the one he goes for. Fans comments back in the movie blog suggest that NaruSaku is part of the whole story as well as part of Naruto's dreams. In other words, fans already acknowledge that NaruSaku is one of the bonds that they look forward to its development. Even Asian Kung-Fu Generation made a deal out of it. Granted the manga isn't romance manga, but Kishi does cover the romance aspect of the series, mainly NaruSaku since he has been developing it since part 1. Part 1 is about them getting to know one another and become best friends. Part 2 is the start of stronger relationship and romance for them, especially the Kage Summit Arc.

That's why I endure this pairing in the first place. It is how well developed that they both gone thru over the whole series. We start from hate to like to care deeply to possibly in love. Sakura is the only one that has the call to all this. Naruto is already in love with her and it just gets stronger. There are bumping road, but Naruto knows Sakura and no way he will drop his feelings for her. People would assume that their bonds isn't really important or we exaggerated. This movie disprove the whole argument. A lot of people who saw the movie pinpoint that NaruSaku bonds is an important factor in the movie, besides parental theme.

I mean when you recapped the whole spoilers into one, Kishi starts them off in a bad situation. Then, as the story progress, they see each other on their own shoes, (Naruto watching Sakura being praised, Sakura watching Naruto being scolded from his parents). Sakura is the one that needed the most development and now understands that Naruto was a very strong ninja, even with fame. Both of them needed development, yes, but Sakura needed the most because she hated her parents and want to be Naruto's shoes, and Sakura lost her trust in Naruto to cheer him up because she always knew that Naruto will cheer her up, but unfortunately, Naruto doesn't know about family like that and he was really upset. Naruto needs to accept that his family is gone and he must move on and allow people (Iruka) to be his guardian. He thinks having parents will cleanse his loneliness, but he has Iruka to cheer him up. Also, he needs to understand that leaving real Konoha goes against his real parents' wishes and Sakura have to tell him to escape the illusion. Oh, and part 3 is a NaruSaku galore, especially IF the holding her like MinaKushi is true. The chains were already enough to see parallels.

Wait...the band? I don't remember this, though, I don't remember a translated sub when they were being interviewed. TAT Link?

And, in my opinion, Kishimoto is a married man with two kids. I think he knows best and the most realistic way a relationship works. If NaruHina happened, I would probably be confused because what is there besides admiration? Heck, Naruto and Shikamaru have more development together than Naruto and Hinata.

I haven't seen RTN but I am hoping that it did bring some positive light into Sakruas character. So many fans want to see it and Kishimoto probably knew it would be a big deal if he stepped in controlled/designed the movie himself. Heck, over a week later and we are still talking about it.

Edited by Malverstation, 06 August 2012 - 03:46 PM.

[Gravenimage]

the fact that sakura is kidnapped and tied up in chain then naruto with the 4th hokage's cloak goes to rescue her, looks like minakushi and kills the charade off, i think right after the fight with tobi sakura will give a kiss on naruto instead of a hug.

Looks like Kishi wanted to bring the obvious parallel to life to all fans including NH and SS fans.

[redragon88]

Okay guys. I bring you more news!

1) It turns out Sakura only ran away from Sasuke. TakL said she didn't cry. I think when Shadow said she ran away and cried, he probably meant that she ran away and cried as in upset with him for not caring for her at all.

2) About the bridal rescue.......IT IS TRUE! Naruto saves her the same way as MinaKushi! Kishi, are you sick or something, or you have something with these parallels? Naruto does hand her over Itachi in a same position in which Naruto proceed to tell him, "Please take care of Sakura-chan."

P.S. TakL is not a pairing fan, rather he just wants what's best for Naruto. So, NaruSaku it is? Got you. He got a little annoyed by matrix.

So, is there anything you would like me to ask him?

Well I'll be, that's pretty awesome indeed. It seems to me that Kishi truly has a fetish for parallels.

I'm not sure of there's still anything we haven't covered. I'd still like to read those summaries with the drawings (the S-rank and A-rank missions) just for the sake of hearing those people's opinions. But I don't want to ask Takl to translate that.

[4000TMNT]

It's not for kisses (I wish), but if they were together, it would so happen. Maybe Kishi would have done it but it's a movie, so must be safe to not make the pairing canon.

Okay guys. I bring you more news!

1) It turns out Sakura only ran away from Sasuke. TakL said she didn't cry. I think when Shadow said she ran away and cried, he probably meant that she ran away and cried as in upset with him for not caring for her at all.

2) About the bridal rescue.......IT IS TRUE! Naruto saves her the same way as MinaKushi! Kishi, are you sick or something, or you have something with these parallels? Naruto does hand her over Itachi in a same position in which Naruto proceed to tell him, "Please take care of Sakura-chan."

P.S. TakL is not a pairing fan, rather he just wants what's best for Naruto. So, NaruSaku it is? Got you. He got a little annoyed by matrix.

So, is there anything you would like me to ask him?

Was it in a romantic way.

[ramenanmitsu]

This is the gist of it

みんなの前で in front of everyone
メブキさんに to mebuki-san
ぐちぐち言われて (Sakura) complained
恥ずかしがる　(she) felt ashamed
サクラちゃん Sakura-chan
でらかわいい super cute
家事できなくて　(she) couldn't do housework
くつもそろえない (she) also couldn't arrange shoes
でらかわいい super cute

so maybe this means that her mom embarrassed Sakura by saying she couldn't do housework or even arrange shoes properly and that's why Sakura was annoyed with her parents? *shrug* it was a bit vague.

It says that "Sakura is so cute when she is feeling embarrassed that Mebuki was saying things to her in front of everybody. Sakura-chan is so cute, she can't do housework and she can't arrange her shoes."

A cute Sakura? I agree with this guy

OH MY GOD! I forgot my name changed to ramenanmitsu! I was wondering who you guys were talking about! Sorry, I didn't notice it was me you guys were calling for translation check!!

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 06 August 2012 - 04:02 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Are you still planning to see the movie as you said in previous posts?

In 3 days i'll go to visit an university in south korea(graduation ill od half of the course on my country and the other on south korea)
they i'll make a tour on japan and then go back to my home.

[Malverstation]

Looks like Kishi wanted to bring the obvious parallel to life to all fans including NH and SS fans.

That fact that the chains are not a reoccurring theme shows that Kishimoto is purposefully using it when he does. If they were being used in every other battle, that would change everything.