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[trang95]

So you concur, yes?

I don't hate Bakugou. I dislike him, but I'm interested in what development he'll undergo in the future.

[Pix]

Who cares about king?! 

He already ended his plot line 

King and Ban are way more interesting than an unasked for flashback and Melodias' backstory that's still way underdeveloped. I wish it would just get to the point already.

 

Hate Bakugou. He needs to die, which would make the story so much better.

How dare you. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh it was AHK and Pix, not NU01.

[Pix]

I find it amusing to see NU01 liking this series yet Pix is mixed but in BnHA, it's vice versa. Opinion truly is opinion.

Ah, it's just that I hate shounens that play every stereotype straight fowardly like NnT. I think it's such horrible story writing. But the characters are so amazing that I have to stay. 

 

And as for Bnha, from the environment to the characters I love everything. I feel like it's a different take from your basic shounen (like NnT), which is why I fully support Bnha.  

 

But both have awesome artwork. Preferably, I would choose NnT's art style. But Bnha's is very unique and detailed. 

[AHK]

I don't hate Bakugou. I dislike him, but I'm interested in what development he'll undergo in the future.

  
I don't hate him, I just dislike him too. Poetic license. I don't care about him though. I just want to see him get his ass whopped.

King and Ban are way more interesting than an unasked for flashback and Melodias' backstory that's still way underdeveloped. I wish it would just get to the point already.
How dare you.

So you agree?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ah, it's just that I hate shounens that play every stereotype straight fowardly like NnT. I think it's such horrible story writing. But the characters are so amazing that I have to stay. 
 
And as for Bnha, from the environment to the characters I love everything. I feel like it's a different take from your basic shounen (like NnT), which is why I fully support Bnha.  
 
But both have awesome artwork. Preferably, I would choose NnT's art style. But Bnha's is very unique and detailed. 

I can't say it's bad writing. I see it as preference. But to each of their own.

[Pix]

I can't say it's bad writing. I see it as preference. But to each of their own.

Bad writing to me. The fact that Hendrickson is supposed to be forgiven all of a sudden is beyond me. Also this random background of his that's never been mentioned before until now is confusing. It's the same thing back when Helbram was introduced- all of these random subplots pop up out of nowhere when there was no foreshadowing of them whatsoever. To me that's bad writing. But yeah personal opinion. 

 

  
I don't hate him, I just dislike him too. Poetic license. I don't care about him though. I just want to see him get his ass whopped.
So you agree?

No I love my Bakugou! I believe that one day he won't be as much of an a**hole...one day...!!

[trang95]

  
I don't hate him, I just dislike him too. Poetic license. I don't care about him though. I just want to see him get his ass whopped.
So you agree?

Maybe in the future you will

[AHK]

Maybe in the future you will

Probably not.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Bad writing to me. The fact that Hendrickson is supposed to be forgiven all of a sudden is beyond me. Also this random background of his that's never been mentioned before until now is confusing. It's the same thing back when Helbram was introduced- all of these random subplots pop up out of nowhere when there was no foreshadowing of them whatsoever. To me that's bad writing. But yeah personal opinion. 

How Hendrickson is fogiven? Where that came from?

How Helbram must've been foreshadowed when he was introduced in firts 30+ chapters? 

How new plots must appear if all of them must've been foreshadowed in first 30 chapters? 

 

King and Ban are way more interesting than an unasked for flashback and Melodias' backstory that's still way underdeveloped. I wish it would just get to the point already.

Sorry, that's just your preference, I would hate, if right now - place would switch to Ban and King. Because their personal quests have no value to general arc right now, even more, King already finished all his "personal" quests, his sin was shown, his character pretty much established, now he has two options, stay as king and protect forest (not gonna happend I think) or acompany Ban in his jorney of ressurecting Elaine.

 

Ban's story pretty much the same - his character and his sin already shown, maybe some aspects not as much (his past before forest, but I think there is no intrest in another poor child's story, right?), and now - Ban is on his "main" "personal" quest and for a time have no things to do with Sins group.

 

And you saying that flashback about MC's past, origins of first villians (Holy knights) and one of main story points is way less intresting that ^ ? I get from where it coming about stereotypes, Meliodas seems to have this "beast inside" cliche, but there is no rational way of that main plot would be less intresting than just two characters with no clear point in story right now, that's just mean that you are not intrested in story in general.

There is some intresting details - it's been shown about Meliodas and his past:

1) That Meliodas can control his demon power in he want to.

2) In flashback of dying Liz - Mel was sane, and didn't raged, he was calm and there was no demon's around, when she spoke to him.

3) None of members of Sins group was responsible for their "sins" in straight meaning, author using intresting ways to show how "justice" can claim people for what seems to be their fault without knowing whole situation.

So I'm looking forward to next chapter and this flashaback 

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 30 April 2015 - 09:23 AM.

[Pix]

How Hendrickson is fogiven? Where that came from?

How Helbram must've been foreshadowed when he was introduced in firts 30+ chapters? 

How new plots must appear if all of them must've been foreshadowed in first 30 chapters? 

 

Sorry, that's just your preference, I would hate, if right now - place would switch to Ban and King. Because their personal quests have no value to general arc right now, even more, King already finished all his "personal" quests, his sin was shown, his character pretty much established, now he has two options, stay as king and protect forest (not gonna happend I think) or acompany Ban in his jorney of ressurecting Elaine.

 

Ban's story pretty much the same - his character and his sin already shown, maybe some aspects not as much (his past before forest, but I think there is no intrest in another poor child's story, right?), and now - Ban is on his "main" "personal" quest and for a time have no things to do with Sins group.

 

And you saying that flashback about MC's past, origins of first villians (Holy knights) and one of main story points is way less intresting that ^ ? I get from where it coming about stereotypes, Meliodas seems to have this "beast inside" cliche, but there is no rational way of that main plot would be less intresting than just two characters with no clear point in story right now, that's just mean that you are not intrested in story in general.

There is some intresting details - it's been shown about Meliodas and his past:

1) That Meliodas can control his demon power in he want to.

2) In flashback of dying Liz - Mel was sane, and didn't raged, he was calm and there was no demon's around, when she spoke to him.

3) None of members of Sins group was responsible for their "sins" in straight meaning, author using intresting ways to show how "justice" can claim people for what seems to be their fault without knowing whole situation.

So I'm looking forward to next chapter and this flashaback 

Lol what do you mean? Hendrickson is a good guy now, just like Obito, just like Orochimaru. The audience is all of a sudden supposed to believe in him now- have faith in him. That's forgiving him. And the way it's coming off in the manga is so half-a**sed it's killing me. He spent all of this time terrorizing people, trying to bring back the demon clan, only to change his mind after his defeat. Was his resolve not strong enough? If that's the case what was the point of taking control of the kingdom and making everyone go through that long fight? I'm not gonna just sit here and forgive this guy after all of the things he's put the main characters through. He needs more of a reason to join the good side now. To me, it's still bad writing. 

 

And Helbram's name was mentioned 30 chapters earlier, not his story. There was nothing alluding to the fact that he was close friends with King and that he loved humans, or that he was even a fairy. That isn't to say that it's good to learn about all of this when we first meet the character- it's just that King himself never mentioned him at all during his first introduction. So the two strings weren't completely tied, if you get my catch. Like me and Trang were trying to make sense of King's backstory because there was just so much going on that sometimes it doesn't make sense? I felt like the introduction of Helbram was okay, but he became an a**pull to develop King more at the end. And now he's a good guy as well. Go figure. 

 

Still not looking forward to the flashback though. There's still too many things that need to be resolved in order to catch my attention. What happened after Gowther revealed himself? What happened to King after he defeated that demon by himself? That's what I meant when I said I care about their story more. I care about those two issues way more than I care about some half-a**sed villain's backstory. And I'm not saying that all flashbacks are bad- I want to know about Melodias and Liz as much as the next person. But we're literally in the middle of another a**pull right now. Like I'm not joking. Since when was Hendrickson or Dreyfus ever foreshadowed to be a "druid"?? Am I missing something?? Why wasn't this mentioned more before this flashback? Why didn't Hendrickson give little hints of it back when he was the almighty bad guy?  

 

This is the same thing back when we learned about Asura and Indra. Or even Kaguya. There was nothing alluding to that.

 

You can't just expect me to be interested without giving me any buildup.  

 

(But also, I've already stated that I don't care about the demon clan at all. So yeah. I'm not interested in this arc, not the story. I care more about Arthur's hidden power, or the Goddess Clan and Elizabeth's connection.)

Edited by Pix, 02 May 2015 - 02:36 PM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Lol what do you mean? Hendrickson is a good guy now, just like Obito, just like Orochimaru. The audience is all of a sudden supposed to believe in him now- have faith in him. That's forgiving him. And the way it's coming off in the manga is so half-a**sed it's killing me. He spent all of this time terrorizing people, trying to bring back the demon clan, only to change his mind after his defeat. Was his resolve not strong enough? If that's the case what was the point of taking control of the kingdom and making everyone go through that long fight? I'm not gonna just sit here and forgive this guy after all of the things he's put the main characters through. He needs more of a reason to join the good side now. To me, it's still bad writing. 

 

And Helbram's name was mentioned 30 chapters earlier, not his story. There was nothing alluding to the fact that he was close friends with King and that he loved humans, or that he was even a fairy. That isn't to say that it's good to learn about all of this when we first meet the character- it's just that King himself never mentioned him at all during his first introduction. So the two strings weren't completely tied, if you get my catch. Like me and Trang were trying to make sense of King's backstory because there was just so much going on that sometimes it doesn't make sense? I felt like the introduction of Helbram was okay, but he became an a**pull to develop King more at the end. And now he's a good guy as well. Go figure. 

 

Still not looking forward to the flashback though. There's still too many things that need to be resolved in order to catch my attention. What happened after Gowther revealed himself? What happened to King after he defeated that demon by himself? That's what I meant when I said I care about their story more. I care about those two issues way more than I care about some half-a**sed villain's backstory. And I'm not saying that all flashbacks are bad- I want to know about Melodias and Liz as much as the next person. But we're literally in the middle of another a**pull right now. Like I'm not joking. Since when was Hendrickson or Dreyfus ever foreshadowed to be a "druid"?? Am I missing something?? Why wasn't this mentioned more before this flashback? Why didn't Hendrickson give little hints of it back when he was the almighty bad guy?  

 

This is the same thing back when we learned about Asura and Indra. Or even Kaguya. There was nothing alluding to that.

 

You can't just expect me to be interested without giving me any buildup.  

 

(But also, I've already stated that I don't care about the demon clan at all. So yeah. I'm not interested in this arc, not the story. I care more about Arthur's hidden power, or the Goddess Clan and Elizabeth's connection.)

Hendrickson apperantly was possesed, no one forgave him it was clerly even in chapter, where son of Dreyfus didn't protect him. "Fogriving" him is only your way of thinking, and even now Hendrickson didn't done anything to state his position - he only eager to save Dreyfus - and now we seeing why - because of him Dreyfus was possesed. You can hate him, no one ask you to forgive him. That's not even near of bad writing.

 

HOW THE HECK THAT MUST BE FORESHADOWED in first 30 chapters?    He is secondary character to Kings past, you asking to much   King's story is difficult because of many pieces of his story being told, only problem is right following on each of those.

 

Sorry, that's nothing intrested, King faded fully exhausted, is that must be intrested? 

Part with Gowther called cliffhanger, if you love talking about badwriting - you must know that, and Nakaba surely did exelent cliffhanger there.

Dreyfus never was druid, because they had different mothers with Zaratras, that was mentioned in guide book I think, and Hendriksens story being told in his flashback right now... What's the problem? Because person possesed with demon and using powers that purge those very deamons would be laughable don't you think?  

 

Talking about Kaguya and other naruto kitten, you assuming that manga ends in 12 or so chapters? Because otherwise it doesn't mean anything, only new details being introduced for further plot. 

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 02 May 2015 - 05:50 PM.

[Pix]

Hendrickson apperantly was possesed, no one forgave him it was clerly even in chapter, where son of Dreyfus didn't protect him. "Fogriving" him is only your way of thinking, and even now Hendrickson didn't done anything to state his position - he only eager to save Dreyfus - and now we seeing why - because of him Dreyfus was possesed. You can hate him, no one ask you to forgive him. That's not even near of bad writing.

 

HOW THE HECK THAT MUST BE FORESHADOWED in first 30 chapters?    He is secondary character to Kings past, you asking to much   King's story is difficult because of many pieces of his story being told, only problem is right following on each of those.

 

Sorry, that's nothing intrested, King faded fully exhausted, is that must be intrested? 

Part with Gowther called cliffhanger, if you love talking about badwriting - you must know that, and Nakaba surely did exelent cliffhanger there.

Dreyfus never was druid, because they had different mothers with Zaratras, that was mentioned in guide book I think, and Hendriksens story being told in his flashback right now... What's the problem? Because person possesed with demon and using powers that purge those very deamons would be laughable don't you think?  

 

Talking about Kaguya and other naruto kitten, you assuming that manga ends in 12 or so chapters? Because otherwise it doesn't mean anything, only new details being introduced for further plot. 

No you are completely missing my point. 

 

The issue isn't whether I'm interested or not. That's not the debate. The issue is that Hendrickson's story feels like it's being made up as time goes by. Like I've stated before, there was no forementioning of him begin close to the "druids". And I'm going to bring up Naruto again because it's still relevant. Itachi. It's almost the exact same thing. At the beginning we knew that Itachi killed the entire Uchiha clan, but Kishimoto tried to justify this by adding in later on the series that they were being harassed and that he did it out of good intentions. Is this not what's happening to Henrickson right now? Is the not to make the audience "forgive" him?? The whole "he was possessed" explanation is even a BIGGER reckon. I'm not buying that since nothing ever implied that. This screams bad writing. It just does. 

 

Helbram isn't really a "secondary character" to King's past. Helbram IS King's past. He could have at least mentioned him when he was going on complaining about what Ban supposedly did to Elaine. But there was no mention of Helbram until the tournament arc. And once again, I'm not saying that's bad. But for him to have such an importance, yet he was never hinted on, seemed out of place. I can't stress this enough??? 

 

And lastly, I'm saying that I want ties to end without entering a backstory explaining something else. It's almost as if this story is playing hopscotch with itself.   We literally have 3-4 different things going on right now, and because of that different issues are likely to A. Either be forgotten about by author or B. lose the interest of the fans. Bringing up Naruto AGAIN- the same thing happened in the War arc. So many battles that Kishimoto literally forgot to finish some. And I'm not saying that this will happen in NnT, but some minor details are at possibility of becoming plot holes. This is NOT good writing. And it can only last for so long.  

 

And mentioning Naruto does not mean that I don't realize that NnT isn't going to end anytime soon  There were issues with Naruto before it officially ended. And there's issues with NnT right now. Adding in random details just to make the plot move forward is actually making this story more cramped with less direction. 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

No you are completely missing my point. 

 

The issue isn't whether I'm interested or not. That's not the debate. The issue is that Hendrickson's story feels like it's being made up as time goes by. Like I've stated before, there was no forementioning of him begin close to the "druids". And I'm going to bring up Naruto again because it's still relevant. Itachi. It's almost the exact same thing. At the beginning we knew that Itachi killed the entire Uchiha clan, but Kishimoto tried to justify this by adding in later on the series that they were being harassed and that he did it out of good intentions. Is this not what's happening to Henrickson right now? Is the not to make the audience "forgive" him?? The whole "he was possessed" explanation is even a BIGGER reckon. I'm not buying that since nothing ever implied that. This screams bad writing. It just does. 

 

Helbram isn't really a "secondary character" to King's past. Helbram IS King's past. He could have at least mentioned him when he was going on complaining about what Ban supposedly did to Elaine. But there was no mention of Helbram until the tournament arc. And once again, I'm not saying that's bad. But for him to have such an importance, yet he was never hinted on, seemed out of place. I can't stress this enough??? 

 

And lastly, I'm saying that I want ties to end without entering a backstory explaining something else. It's almost as if this story is playing hopscotch with itself.   We literally have 3-4 different things going on right now, and because of that different issues are likely to A. Either be forgotten about by author or B. lose the interest of the fans. Bringing up Naruto AGAIN- the same thing happened in the War arc. So many battles that Kishimoto literally forgot to finish some. And I'm not saying that this will happen in NnT, but some minor details are at possibility of becoming plot holes. This is NOT good writing. And it can only last for so long.  

 

And mentioning Naruto does not mean that I don't realize that NnT isn't going to end anytime soon  There were issues with Naruto before it officially ended. And there's issues with NnT right now. Adding in random details just to make the plot move forward is actually making this story more cramped with less direction. 

1. Meh, it's just your point of view about bad writing   There was plenty of foreshadowing in this manga even before 100 chapters and not every details of every chapter must be "foreshadowed", there is plenty of other writing methods, and showing development via flashback (that going right now) - is another, but so be it you have your opinion about what is "bad writing". But last thing - there is nothing to forgive Hendrickson for, he is guilty in Dreyfus position right now, and I think he will redeem himself by fighting demons, his power right now it's extremly needed.

2. Character that was supposedly dead and forgoten long time ago must've been hinted on? Well, okay  

3. One Piece by doing same things is called masterpiece  

Nakaba already wrote whole web of characters relationships in firts 100 chapters, Giera, her father, Mel as master of Gil, young knights, and you saying that new details will be just random things? Have at least 0.001 faith in author    

[Pix]

1. Meh, it's just your point of view about bad writing   There was plenty of foreshadowing in this manga even before 100 chapters and not every details of every chapter must be "foreshadowed", there is plenty of other writing methods, and showing development via flashback (that going right now) - is another, but so be it you have your opinion about what is "bad writing". But last thing - there is nothing to forgive Hendrickson for, he is guilty in Dreyfus position right now, and I think he will redeem himself by fighting demons, his power right now it's extremly needed.

2. Character that was supposedly dead and forgoten long time ago must've been hinted on? Well, okay

3. One Piece by doing same things is called masterpiece

Nakaba already wrote whole web of characters relationships in firts 100 chapters, Giera, her father, Mel as master of Gil, young knights, and you saying that new details will be just random things? Have at least 0.001 faith in author    

Yeah, you're right. It's not my type of writing. Like I've said, it's just too....shounen perhaps. But remember that Elaine was foreshadowed and has been dead for a very long time.  

 

I stopped reading One Piece cause I didn't like it. 

 

I'm not saying that Nakaba isn't good at characterization, because if anything that's his high point. That's where I have faith in him. I could analyze his characters all day. But that's about it. I don't like his plot devices at all. I don't think he's a smooth writer.   

 

But I said it from the get go- this is just my opinion. Don't take it to heart. 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Yeah, you're right. It's not my type of writing. Like I've said, it's just too....shounen perhaps. But remember that Elaine was foreshadowed and has been dead for a very long time.  

 

I stopped reading One Piece cause I didn't like it. 

 

I'm not saying that Nakaba isn't good at characterization, because if anything that's his high point. That's where I have faith in him. I could analyze his characters all day. But that's about it. I don't like his plot devices at all. I don't think he's a smooth writer.   

 

But I said it from the get go- this is just my opinion. Don't take it to heart. 

1. But Elains is not only King's things she is a base for Ban's character so was she related to King or not, she would pop up in Ban's gaiden 

2. Oh, okay 

[Pix]

1. But Elains is not only King's things she is a base for Ban's character so was she related to King or not, she would pop up in Ban's gaiden 

2. Oh, okay 

Lol I know that but that doesn't change the fact that her huge role was elaborated on and hinted at before her introduction to the story. 

[AHK]

1. Meh, it's just your point of view about bad writing   There was plenty of foreshadowing in this manga even before 100 chapters and not every details of every chapter must be "foreshadowed", there is plenty of other writing methods, and showing development via flashback (that going right now) - is another, but so be it you have your opinion about what is "bad writing". But last thing - there is nothing to forgive Hendrickson for, he is guilty in Dreyfus position right now, and I think he will redeem himself by fighting demons, his power right now it's extremly needed.
2. Character that was supposedly dead and forgoten long time ago must've been hinted on? Well, okay  
3. One Piece by doing same things is called masterpiece  
Nakaba already wrote whole web of characters relationships in firts 100 chapters, Giera, her father, Mel as master of Gil, young knights, and you saying that new details will be just random things? Have at least 0.001 faith in author 

  
That's because it is

Yeah, you're right. It's not my type of writing. Like I've said, it's just too....shounen perhaps. But remember that Elaine was foreshadowed and has been dead for a very long time.  
 
I stopped reading One Piece cause I didn't like it.
 
I'm not saying that Nakaba isn't good at characterization, because if anything that's his high point. That's where I have faith in him. I could analyze his characters all day. But that's about it. I don't like his plot devices at all. I don't think he's a smooth writer.   
 
But I said it from the get go- this is just my opinion. Don't take it to heart. 

I feel like I've been lied to.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Maybe because of the bookstore but I do like the covers for this series.

[Pix]

  
That's because it is
I feel like I've been lied to.

I'm dumb lol. I just didn't like it- I still acknowledge it as a great series though. I just lost interest. Same with Fairy Tail.

 

Maybe because of the bookstore but I do like the covers for this series.

The art is my favorite thing about NnT.