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[only Naruto]

from the comments above 2 things clear to me that kishi needs sasuke as naruto rival and kishi actually likes him  .

 

in the last chapter BZ said naruto is fast and has a really good Reflexes .so does that mean narutos reflexes are better than sasukes because naruto avoided kaguyas hand . or its just because naruto can feel?

[FireFox]

Well, why not. They need to know what the hell is going on like "Kaguya once did it herself" and such. Maybe not the whole Ashura and Indra, but you know, the whole "game over if don't do this."

 

Lol. OK. Sleep well.

Oh I see that can happen of panel of course and later is shown via the Hokages in a small flashback but yeah what I meant is him explaining the whole Ashura Indra thing that would take to long  but Hagoromo filling them in on what's going on yes I can totally see that .

 

 

Kishimoto himself said he did a terrible with Sasuke?

He only said his actions are pure.

It seems I worded it completely wrong Lol what I meant with that is that Kishi has stated that Naruto is his favorite more then once not Sasuke he has never stated that about him .

[TouKen4Life3g]

It would be funny if Hagoromo talks about everything we heard but at the same time, Team 7 + Obito were defeated. It's like, "Well, that was a great story, but we got to go to them asap," but too late.

[咲耶姫]

Just passing by to say that it's confirmed that in the previous chapter, Sakura was indeed asking about Sasuke's state: 

 

 

ナルト サスケ君は？"Naruto, how is Sasuke-kun? / What about Sasuke-kun?"

[rocci]

Just passing by to say that it's confirmed that in the previous chapter, Sakura was indeed asking about Sasuke's state: 
 

 
ナルト サスケ君は？"Naruto, how is Sasuke-kun? / What about Sasuke-kun?"

Incoming meltdown in 3...2...1

[TouKen4Life3g]

Incoming meltdown in 3...2...1

Hey wait, we already discuss this last chapter thread. We know this already.

[Nate River]

I hope it takes 10,000 attempts to find Sasuke's location. The longer Sasuke's missing the better.

But doesn't that imply they'll be many chapters chronicling that question. What else is there to do if that happens?

[only Naruto]

Just passing by to say that it's confirmed that in the previous chapter, Sakura was indeed asking about Sasuke's state: 

 

 

ナルト サスケ君は？"Naruto, how is Sasuke-kun? / What about Sasuke-kun?"

thanks for the info .and i think we agreed that no matter how the way she asked about sasuke ..or naruto /sasuke .she was just asking about her team mate. but some people made it bigger than it should be . .  

[only Naruto]

It would be funny if Hagoromo talks about everything we heard but at the same time, Team 7 + Obito were defeated. It's like, "Well, that was a great story, but we got to go to them asap," but too late.

do u think its possible .that haguromo gives the seal jutsu to hashiram and revived madara .? 

[luffyq1]

 

 

In fact it is completely logical. There is such a think like Evil Neutral or Chaotic Neutral alignment (I can not link to tvtropes now, but you can check it over there).

 

Sasuke does not care for sides. Only for what he wants or believes what he wants in the moment. He remained in Konoha when he thought it suited him. He left and sided with Orochimaru when he thought it suited him, and left when he thought Orochimaru was a hindrance. He sided with Akatsuki because he thought that they could help her, and left and rejoined Team Seven because he decided he needed to.

 

So yes, Sasuke is neutral. He does not care for right or wrong or good or bad. He only cares for what he wants.

 

Edit:

 

http://tvtropes.org/.../ChaoticNeutral

 

• Sasuke Uchiha seems to change alliances as often as he changes his wardrobe (the two actually seem to be somewhat connected anyway, as in the case of the Akatsuki robes) But it's more the result of this trope, which drives him to work with anyone as long as it furthers his own goals (and, by extension, betray them if simply leaving isn't an option), which means he's on his own side and no one else's.

 

I'm under the belief that actions speak louder than words. Whether he had intentions that suited himself, his actions come across as evil. That is why he has a bounty on him in the first place. I don't think the people that put the hit out on Sasuke took into account that Sasuke thinks the people who he has aligned with are nothing but tools for him. They're going to look at the deeds he's done while he's aligned with these people, people that have a history of committing evil acts. It doesn't help that one of the people he's aligned with happens to be someone who experiments on people and leaves most of them for dead. That really doesn't bode well for Sasuke's image.

 

So while the description elaborates on his thoughts and intentions, it should also take into account his actions through those intentions. I mean, I don't want some dude attempting to murder my friend because it suits his needs. I'm going to call the cops on the guy, because what he is doing is evil, even if it's through good intentions or not.

 

That is why I don't think Sasuke is neutral, because he goes about his business in a way where the world deems it evil.

[TouKen4Life3g]

do u think its possible .that haguromo gives the seal jutsu to hashiram and revived madara .? 

I don't know, he is an Edo. Not sure how it works because it has been said the Edo version is held back. I mean it could work, but again, Edo, not alive with a reincarnation. But it is a possible idea.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 07 July 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[rocci]

do u think its possible .that haguromo gives the seal jutsu to hashiram and revived madara .? 

Madara can comeback just like how orochimaru back(anko curse seal).

[TouKen4Life3g]

Madara can comeback just like how orochimaru back(anko curse seal).

Not unless Hagoromo did burn the body just to show up. That or something else. I wonder how this is going to work.

Huh...funny. In last chapter thread I mentioned that the chapter seems like a special nod to Naruto and Jiraiya relation. Now it's Obito and Naruto. I guess I expect Minato to be next soon. Interesting.

[Jenskott]

 

I'm under the belief that actions speak louder than words. Whether he had intentions that suited himself, his actions come across as evil. That is why he has a bounty on him in the first place. I don't think the people that put the hit out on Sasuke took into account that Sasuke thinks the people who he has aligned with are nothing but tools for him. They're going to look at the deeds he's done while he's aligned with these people, people that have a history of committing evil acts. It doesn't help that one of the people he's aligned with happens to be someone who experiments on people and leaves most of them for dead. That really doesn't bode well for Sasuke's image.

 

So while the description elaborates on his thoughts and intentions, it should also take into account his actions through those intentions. I mean, I don't want some dude attempting to murder my friend because it suits his needs. I'm going to call the cops on the guy, because what he is doing is evil, even if it's through good intentions or not.

 

That is why I don't think Sasuke is neutral, because he goes about his business in a way where the world deems it evil.

 

I am sorry -and not offense intended-, but you are missing the point.

 

Yes, you or I would judge his actions like evil.

 

But the point of a neutral character is not whether his/her actions are good or evil or are judged like such. The point of a neutral characters is he/she does NOT care whether his/her actions are good or evil.

 

This is the case of Sasuke. Yes, he murdered and betrayed people -including friends and allies- to further his goals. But if he would have been convinced of he could avenge his clan for being a loyal, trustworthy friend and fighting poverty he would have done so. Because he does not care.

 

Contrasts that with Naruto. If someone would tell him "you can become stronger if you kill one of your friends" he would tell "Go to Hell." That is because Naruto is Good-aligned (I would tell that he is Chaotic Good, but that is another history).

 

On the other hand, if Sasuke was Evil-aligned and someone proved to him that he can become stronger by feeding homeless people he would reject it.

 

Kishimoto is not wrong when he calls Sasuke a "neutral" character because by definition he IS.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So take your bet on Hagoromo and Hokages:

- Tell them how to stop the moon eye jutsu
- Revive Madara
- Revive Hokages at their peak (saw this from NF)
- Send them to where Naruto and Sasuke are (respectively)
- Other: ___

[Strangelove]

You know what I can't believe anymore...the fact that Sasuke did not show any sign of emotion to the fact that from the beginning the Uchiha were nothing more than mere pawns in Black Zetsu's plans...He just looks like he stood there and took it, is like his character has been devoid of almost all emotions, and is just there to look good next to Naruto.

[Don-kun]

I notice that everyone has huge amount of confidence when it comes to Sasuke and Sakura but it seems that no one is thinking about the fact that Naruto is a clone and Obito might die before returning back to Kakashi. I believe that if Obito tells Kakashi that it was not his foult it was Madara's plan before rescuing Sasuke he will die Naruto clone is going to dispell and only one of two things is bond to happen Sakura start to wories about Naruto's life making Sasuke accept that she really cares about Naruto more than just friends or it would be only about them, either way Sasuke and Sakura will fix there problems most likely after he gets saved by her.

Tbh why Kishi came up with the excuse that Obito needs someones else power and no one see it as a cheap excuse to leave Sakura and Sakuke alone something that was bond to happen at some point in the Manga even when I new this I was hopping for it to happen only after she admit of having feelings for Naruto.

I could be overthinking but by reading this Manga for so long and seen how much excuses this man makes for Sasuke I honestly believe that SS makes no sense but at the same time we are too over confident by saying that the pairing is dead but latter when something happen everyone sorry most of us get a meltdown.





Cell phone waiting to buy another laptop on this new contract third one. :(

Edited by Don-kun, 07 July 2014 - 02:52 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know what I can't believe anymore...the fact that Sasuke did not show any sign of emotion to the fact that from the beginning the Uchiha were nothing more than mere pawns in Black Zetsu's plans...He just looks like he stood there and took it, is like his character has been devoid of almost all emotions, and is just there to look good next to Naruto.

Remind me of when Vegeta knew about Saiyan's near extinction and show "whatever" reaction. Granted maybe he finally shows it when he was about to die in front of Goku after Frieza shot him, but who knows. Maybe if Sasuke goes through the same trip, he probably would have said that for Uchiha being massacre and wanted to start anew.

[luffyq1]

I am sorry -and not offense intended-, but you are missing the point.

None taken.
 

Yes, you or I would judge his actions like evil.

And it's not just us that would label his actions as evil. The world of Naruto labels his actions as evil, hence the bounty.
 

But the point of a neutral character is not whether his/her actions are good or evil or are judged like such. The point of a neutral characters is he/she does NOT care whether his/her actions are good or evil.

That is the problem with this, you're just tackling the neutral mentality of the character, while disregarding the action, which I find just as important if not more.
 

This is the case of Sasuke. Yes, he murdered and betrayed people -including friends and allies- to further his goals. But if he would have been convinced of he could avenge his clan for being a loyal, trustworthy friend and fighting poverty he would have done so. Because he does not care.

This argument hinges on a "what if" scenario.

And you could say the same with Orochimaru. You think he gives a damn if there are dozens of dead bodies strung up in his laboratory for experiments? Killing people was just a means to an end, he didn't care who suffered in the process to obtaining immortality.
 

Contrasts that with Naruto. If someone would tell him "you can become stronger if you kill one of your friends" he would tell "Go to Hell." That is because Naruto is Good-aligned (I would tell that he is Chaotic Good, but that is another history).

That is because Naruto actually cares about people's lives, something that is regarded as good in this series. One of the reasons why Asura was shown as the good guy in the flashback was because he had friends beside him. Indra was shown to be the bad lone wolf guy. He had no one beside him unlike Asura. Time and Time again, Kishi has made dozens of illustrations that show Naruto is good and Sasuke is evil. Naruto and Sasuke have always been represented by light and dark.
 

On the other hand, if Sasuke was Evil-aligned and someone proved to him that he can become stronger by feeding homeless people he would reject it.

Another "what if" scenario. We are past the point of that. Sasuke wants to burn the system to the ground, and delete the past, which means he wants to personally kill Naruto.
While his thoughts are apathetic to people's feelings, they're also being coupled with evil objectives.
 

Kishimoto is not wrong when he calls Sasuke a "neutral" character because by definition he IS.

And Kishimoto has said that Sasuke is pure, yet Sasuke himself has explicitly stated he is not pure. I let the series do the talking for Kishi, rather than hear what he has to say from an interview.

[FireFox]

So take your bet on Hagoromo and Hokages:

- Tell them how to stop the moon eye jutsu
- Revive Madara
- Revive Hokages at their peak (saw this from NF)
- Send them to where Naruto and Sasuke are (respectively)
- Other: ___

Send them to where Naruto and Sasuke are (respectively) that's my bet .