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[rocci]

@ns4life
Goku hearth disease, I mean not even a planet buster martial artist can survive it and need a time traveler from the future to save him.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I think that Kishi should just kill Sakura off, if all he can do is undermine every chapter (Sorry just so mad right now) at least that way she dies in a heroic way.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
Goku hearth disease, I mean not even a planet buster martial artist can survive it and need a time traveler from the future to save him.

I know that. Lol. I'm not saying Hashirama is immortal.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

He said Hashirama died in one of many battles on wars.

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Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 June 2014 - 10:11 PM.

[Nate River]

Well i didn't mock others in my post or the user itself  just his logic behind that post i find it really funny , but if it bothers you so much then i will stop with bringing stuff from other sites in order to mock their logic .

If there is a distinction, it's not a meaningful one.

[rikakim94]

I am actually quite disappointed.  Not in the quality of the chapter, which I thought was decent, but the whole thing with Sakura.  I know it's pointless to talk about this because there's no way what I think could influence future events in the story, but I just can't think of a good reason Kishimoto would have to keep Sakura the way she has been the past few chapters.  I mean, all she's been doing is charging at Madara (which was brave, don't get me wrong, but kind of rash nonetheless) and crying about Sasuke.  What happened to the Sakura that was pumping Naruto's heart with her own hand? What happened to the Sakura that was healing the entire Shinobi Alliance?  What happened to the Sakura that asked for Naruto to not treat her as if she was less than him and Sasuke?  What happened to that confident Sakura?  I love her, I really do, but I really don't like what she's been doing lately.  I obviously don't hate her, but I can kind of see why people are starting to hate on Sakura's character.  I realize that she's much more than her haters see, but Kishi has been providing the haters with way too much fuel to their fires.  Like, come on.   

 

I love sakura to...however the way how kishi treats her I. can. not. stand. it. any longer.   

Yeah at this point he's giving his fans many reasons why sakura should be hated puts these arguments into a nice rapped up presents then, puts them into a nice big silver platter handing it to the haters and saying here you go guys i made your dreams come true sakura does suck.   

Edited by rikakim94, 13 June 2014 - 11:14 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

I love sakura to...however the way how kishi treats her I. can. not. stand. it. any longer.   

Yeah at this point he's giving his fans many reasons why sakura should be hated puts these arguments into a nice rapped up presents then, puts them into a nice big silver platter handing it to the haters and saying here you go guys i made your dreams come true sakura does suck.   

Its why I said Kishi should just kill Sakura off in a heroic way.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Its why I said Kishi should just kill Sakura off in a heroic way

 

OR people could realize that being upset, showing emotion, and acting like a REALISTIC HUMAN BEING aren't bad things.

You guys get all uppity because Sakura's letting Sasuke get to her, or because she's not being little miss bad-ass at  the moment but isn't that a normal, human thing? Sometimes we're weak.Sometimes we let people who we KNOW we shouldn't let get to us, get to us that's what being human is. Its screwing up, its falling down, its getting back up. 

I don't mind Sakura being upset. I'd be upset too if someone I knew as a kid, someone who I was friends with, and still cared about didn't give two cents about me or whether I died or not.

Its not a nice feeling and for her to have been SO high, to finally feel like she was finally on even footing with them only to have it yanked away isn't easy on her. Plus there's Kaguya trying to jack everybody up.

She's not having a couple of chapters, but the set up is ripe for Kishi to do something about it. 

What you're doing right now is feeding into those haters, because you're looking at Sakura in the same way they are; "oh she's not doing anything." "Oh there goes Sakura crying again." "Oh why is Sakura being so useless?!" 

Why not just empathize instead of judge?

 

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

OR people could realize that being upset, showing emotion, and acting like a REALISTIC HUMAN BEING aren't bad things.

You guys get all uppity because Sakura's letting Sasuke get to her, or because she's not being little miss bad-ass at  the moment but isn't that a normal, human thing? Sometimes we're weak.Sometimes we let people who we KNOW we shouldn't let get to us, get to us that's what being human is. Its screwing up, its falling down, its getting back up. 

I don't mind Sakura being upset. I'd be upset too if someone I knew as a kid, someone who I was friends with, and still cared about didn't give two cents about me or whether I died or not.

Its not a nice feeling and for her to have been SO high, to finally feel like she was finally on even footing with them only to have it yanked away isn't easy on her. Plus there's Kaguya trying to jack everybody up.

She's not having a couple of chapters, but the set up is ripe for Kishi to do something about it. 

What you're doing right now is feeding into those haters, because you're looking at Sakura in the same way they are; "oh she's not doing anything." "Oh there goes Sakura crying again." "Oh why is Sakura being so useless?!" 

Why not just empathize instead of judge?

 

Its not that its that Kishi keeps on giving her the middle finger to her character over and over the last few chapters all he keeps doing is saying she's useless again and again, I mean I get that she is meant to be human and all but this is going to far right now. With what Kishi is doing.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Its not that its that Kishi keeps on giving her the middle finger to her character over and over the last few chapters all he keeps doing is saying she's useless again and again, I mean I get that she is meant to be human and all but this is going to far right now. With what Kishi is doing.

No, you LOOK at it as him giving her the middle finger. but its just as likely that Kishi is setting her up for character development.

Kishi is not saying she's useless, SASUKE is. 

Does it make any sense for Sasuke to keep hammering in the fact that he doesn't care about Kakashi and Sakura and how useless they are only for him to be right? Does it make any sense in Kishimoto's "Team work" message and not leaving behind comrades moral to be dashed all to pieces? 

Not really.

Sakura has always been over emotional-- something she knows as well as anyone else. She's never been able to kill her feelings even on the battlefield. She's also self-conscious and Sasuke is not helping. The only way for her to go at this point is up.

 

[TheFirstEvil100]

No, you LOOK at it as him giving her the middle finger. but its just as likely that Kishi is setting her up for character development.

Kishi is not saying she's useless, SASUKE is. 

Does it make any sense for Sasuke to keep hammering in the fact that he doesn't care about Kakashi and Sakura and how useless they are only for him to be right? Does it make any sense in Kishimoto's "Team work" message and not leaving behind comrades moral to be dashed all to pieces? 

Not really.

Sakura has always been over emotional-- something she knows as well as anyone else. She's never been able to kill her feelings even on the battlefield. She's also self-conscious and Sasuke is not helping. The only way for her to go at this point is up.

 

yes but Dαrkrєrsŧ said it best 

 

What's left with her character then?

She's not strong as Naruto and Sasuke, she doesnt have valid reasons to struggle neither her feelings for Sasuke werent strong to begin with to justify her long standing battle against it, she vows to stand as equal alongside Naruto and Sasuke, Kishimoto shows her punching some fodders and that's it, tells us that she's stronger than Tsunade and yet she is trolled by Tsunade on Shiakamru's moment, she gets powerups and ends up being trolled with Naruto getting powerups that outshine her healing abilities.
Says she's smarter than Naruto and Sasuke and ends up being once again in another damsel in distress situation, is called as useless by Sasuke and her self esteem is crushed.

Then what's left to expect about Sakura's character?

If you have no expectatives towards Sakura then it's better to admit she's a failed character than calling people out.
That's basically how i feel towards her character, from a heroine of a battle shounen on the beginning of part 2, to a pairing drama character. 

[DattebayoXShannaro]

I think she died of old age and passed down to Kushina. She outlived Hashirama. Still wondering on how he died. Maybe the same, though since he's around, it feels like more and more connect to Kaguya's grand plan.

 

Well, she was the jinchuuriki before Kushina.  Whenever Kushina took over that responsibility is when Mito died.

 

 

I love sakura to...however the way how kishi treats her I. can. not. stand. it. any longer.   

Yeah at this point he's giving his fans many reasons why sakura should be hated puts these arguments into a nice rapped up presents then, puts them into a nice big silver platter handing it to the haters and saying here you go guys i made your dreams come true sakura does suck.   

 

Look at it this way.  An author doesn't just do things for no reason.  As much as Sakura has been put down, she will have equal or more focus to get back up.  That's just common sense.  For as long as you present a problem, you need at least just as much time or focus in order to resolve it  Whatever is going to happen with Sakura, it's not going to be instant, and it's not going to be miscellaneous either.  She will have her character resolution, and it will relate to the main plot in some way.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 14 June 2014 - 01:28 AM.

[redrose3443]

Eh...I just hate how Kishi is going about it. But, it's too troublesome to stay mad, after I vented out my anger in previous post, so I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. For now.

[Nostradamus]

You know Naruto's "I understand" reminds me of this :

[Shadow1275]

 

OR people could realize that being upset, showing emotion, and acting like a REALISTIC HUMAN BEING aren't bad things.

You guys get all uppity because Sakura's letting Sasuke get to her, or because she's not being little miss bad-ass at  the moment but isn't that a normal, human thing? Sometimes we're weak.Sometimes we let people who we KNOW we shouldn't let get to us, get to us that's what being human is. Its screwing up, its falling down, its getting back up. 

I don't mind Sakura being upset. I'd be upset too if someone I knew as a kid, someone who I was friends with, and still cared about didn't give two cents about me or whether I died or not.

Its not a nice feeling and for her to have been SO high, to finally feel like she was finally on even footing with them only to have it yanked away isn't easy on her. Plus there's Kaguya trying to jack everybody up.

She's not having a couple of chapters, but the set up is ripe for Kishi to do something about it. 

What you're doing right now is feeding into those haters, because you're looking at Sakura in the same way they are; "oh she's not doing anything." "Oh there goes Sakura crying again." "Oh why is Sakura being so useless?!" 

Why not just empathize instead of judge?

 

The problem is that normal ppl also eventually rebound. So far its been putdown after putdown for Sakura and I think after over 600 chapters that have included ppl claiming that sakura can surpass Tsunade, Sakura promising to match Naruto and Sasuke, and Sakura even claiming that she has caught up with them that Kishi would deliver. Sure Sakura is overemotional and has low self-esteem but she has also been shown to promise that she will change. So where is the change? Heck in the last chapter Sasuke claimed that she and Kakashi were useless and Naruto didn't even disagree with him. Other characters would fight back or even argue. The best example of this is Naruto, Hinata, and Neji. When Neji tried to tell Naruto and Hinata that they were failures, they both fought back(though one did it with a lot more success than the other) But even though Hinata got beat down badly you hav to respect the fact that she didn't take Neji's destiny crap. Where's Sakura's fighting spirit?

[Evil Potato]

I don't really get why Kishi is having these dumb Sakura sad moments whenever Sasuke openly states he doesn't care about his comrades or their lives. I mean, its not news, she is one of the few who questioned Sasuke's motives and doesn't trust him. This is not a surprise, but why does Kishi keep bringing it up when he can use that time to progress the story?

 

Not that I don't like the moments she appreciates Naruto sticking up for her and Kakashi, but its just pointless rehashed material. We all know Naruto will not stand by and watch his loved ones die, and we know Sasuke is just using Naruto to stop Kaguya. We all know Sasuke is the final bad guy.

 

Anyways, hopefully Kishi will focus on this fight, and maybe he will use Sakura and Kakashi in someway, more than likely he will. Its just, Sasuke has noted their uselessness too much, so now I think Kishi owes it to his characters to make Sasuke eat those words.

 

Also, I assume one big reason Sakura wasn't left outside was for the purpose of extending this stupid pairing war. If we all saw Sakura's deepest desires, well I think it would speak volumes, then again it has spoken volumes already in my opinion.

[tonga1]

I think that Kishi should just kill Sakura off, if all he can do is undermine every chapter (Sorry just so mad right now) at least that way she dies in a heroic way.

 careful what u ask for, it may happen

[rikakim94]

The problem is that normal ppl also eventually rebound. So far its been putdown after putdown for Sakura and I think after over 600 chapters that have included ppl claiming that sakura can surpass Tsunade, Sakura promising to match Naruto and Sasuke, and Sakura even claiming that she has caught up with them that Kishi would deliver. Sure Sakura is overemotional and has low self-esteem but she has also been shown to promise that she will change. So where is the change? Heck in the last chapter Sasuke claimed that she and Kakashi were useless and Naruto didn't even disagree with him. Other characters would fight back or even argue. The best example of this is Naruto, Hinata, and Neji. When Neji tried to tell Naruto and Hinata that they were failures, they both fought back(though one did it with a lot more success than the other) But even though Hinata got beat down badly you hav to respect the fact that she didn't take Neji's destiny crap. Where's Sakura's fighting spirit?

 

Sakuras fighting spirit was way back in the sasori arc she never gave up fighting her opponent she even questioned sasori and his motives or something like that. I really really miss that sakura nowadays she can't even defend her self without crying or feeling sad it just sucks. 

 

Also part 1 hinata made much more sense back then. 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

yes but Dαrkrєrsŧ said it best 

 

What's left with her character then?

She's not strong as Naruto and Sasuke, she doesnt have valid reasons to struggle neither her feelings for Sasuke werent strong to begin with to justify her long standing battle against it, she vows to stand as equal alongside Naruto and Sasuke, Kishimoto shows her punching some fodders and that's it, tells us that she's stronger than Tsunade and yet she is trolled by Tsunade on Shiakamru's moment, she gets powerups and ends up being trolled with Naruto getting powerups that outshine her healing abilities.
Says she's smarter than Naruto and Sasuke and ends up being once again in another damsel in distress situation, is called as useless by Sasuke and her self esteem is crushed.

Then what's left to expect about Sakura's character?

If you have no expectatives towards Sakura then it's better to admit she's a failed character than calling people out.
That's basically how i feel towards her character, from a heroine of a battle shounen on the beginning of part 2, to a pairing drama character. 

How about her importance to the main character? I.E Naruto. wasn't she keeping him alive mere chapters ago? didn't she massacre a whole slew of Jubi-babies? heal an army? 

Whether we like it or not, Sakura's stated in the past that she "loved" Sasuke- she stated that being without him was the same as being alone. So her feelings were apparently pretty deep. ( god knows why...)

When you look at Sakura compared to the OTHER female characters in Naruto, calling her "Failed" is utter BS. 

She's got it better then the rest, so we really shouldn't be complaining. Its not like she tripped over a rock or anything when she's supposed to be a ninja. She's actually has legitimate reasons to be upset and to be in the situation she's in, Sasuke wasn't just some guy she knew from afar, and there are a lot of factors at play right now. 

"Oh hay, I finally caught up with Naruto and Sasuke-oh wait, no i didn't...damn." "oh Team 7 is back! I had my doubts but looks like things are gonna be al-oh crap nope, Sasuke still doesn't care about us at all." "I thought I was finally doing good...but looks like I'm useless again."

Is it so wrong for her to WANT the Sasuke she used to share a team with back? is it wrong for her to WANT things between all of them to be okay? is it wrong for her to be upset when things aren't how she'd hoped? Is it wrong for her to be upset that she had her hopes up only to get them crushed? is it wrong to be freaking out that now they have to contend with someone worse then Madara at there is nothing for her to do as far as she can tell but wait and hope?

On the subject of Sasuke, In my personal life I've known people like him which is why I can empathize with how hard it must be to just let him go.  Even knowing that they didn't care about me, or how they were hurting me couldn't stop me from wishing that they would care, or hoping that someday it would be different.

When you really grow up you realize that sometimes you just gotta cut your losses and mosey on. Some people realize it faster then others, some people never do or never want too. It would be nice if when there are bad, poisonous people in our lives we could just cut them out and not care, but that isn't always easy because cutting them cuts ourselves. 

Right now, Sakura out of her league. It took a lot of courage for her to go against Madara, but she MADE herself do it even though her efforts came to nothing. Kaguya is even worse but it didn't stop her from wanting to rush in and save her boys, but instead the vast majority of people are looking at the negatives of her character rather then looking at the positives. Its sad. 

The best thing for all of us to do is to think of these characters as actual people, once you can do that you realize that just like real people they are going to do things you don't like, things you don't agree with, does that make them bad or uninteresting people? no it makes them multifaceted. 

What exactly do you EXPECT her to be doing right now? How do you know that everything Kishimoto is making her go through right now isn't leading up to building her up into something even greater then she was before?

Sakura needs turmoil in order to further herself, and we're seeing what could be the foundation for character development, rather then regression. 
 

 

The problem is that normal ppl also eventually rebound. So far its been putdown after putdown for Sakura and I think after over 600 chapters that have included ppl claiming that sakura can surpass Tsunade, Sakura promising to match Naruto and Sasuke, and Sakura even claiming that she has caught up with them that Kishi would deliver. Sure Sakura is overemotional and has low self-esteem but she has also been shown to promise that she will change. So where is the change? Heck in the last chapter Sasuke claimed that she and Kakashi were useless and Naruto didn't even disagree with him. Other characters would fight back or even argue. The best example of this is Naruto, Hinata, and Neji. When Neji tried to tell Naruto and Hinata that they were failures, they both fought back(though one did it with a lot more success than the other) But even though Hinata got beat down badly you hav to respect the fact that she didn't take Neji's destiny crap. Where's Sakura's fighting spirit?

 

Character's don't just go "Poof" development. 

It can be "Development---regression---development. Like how ACTUAL people are. 

We aren't just in a constant state, we're constantly changing, for better or for worse. 

Technically speaking hasn't Sakura already passed Tsunade? She's 15/16 with the seal already. Pretty sure Tsunade didn't get it until much later. 

Again, so because Sakura isn't screaming and hissing at Sasuke for hitting her where she's most vulnerable ( her usefulness) while they are in a life threatening situation, it reflects poorly on her...how would you react? Personally, HELL YEA I'd be upset at having to sit there and watch two people I care about put their lives on the line while I have to watch what COULD be their death and the death of everyone I love while I'm unable to do a damn thing while someone ( who i also care about) vocally tells me I'm useless and should pretty much just die. While also telling me they would have let me get mind-enslaved if saving me hadn't of just been a lucky coincidence

Thats not upsetting at all...Again, its called empathy. Putting yourself in Sakura's mindset rather then judging from a distance what she SHOULD be doing, or how she SHOULD be reacting. 

Naruto's response was "I understand" that doesn't equate to "I agree." since we KNOW Naruto finds Sakura and Kakashi to be pretty damn awesome. 

Again, all of this is probably a set up by Kishi for some Sakura awesomeness. Its more likely then just leaving her to languish in misery. 

 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 14 June 2014 - 03:40 AM.

[rikakim94]

I don't really get why Kishi is having these dumb Sakura sad moments whenever Sasuke openly states he doesn't care about his comrades or their lives. I mean, its not news, she is one of the few who questioned Sasuke's motives and doesn't trust him. This is not a surprise, but why does Kishi keep bringing it up when he can use that time to progress the story?

 

Not that I don't like the moments she appreciates Naruto sticking up for her and Kakashi, but its just pointless rehashed material. We all know Naruto will not stand by and watch his loved ones die, and we know Sasuke is just using Naruto to stop Kaguya. We all know Sasuke is the final bad guy.

 

Anyways, hopefully Kishi will focus on this fight, and maybe he will use Sakura and Kakashi in someway, more than likely he will. Its just, Sasuke has noted their uselessness too much, so now I think Kishi owes it to his characters to make Sasuke eat those words.

 

Also, I assume one big reason Sakura wasn't left outside was for the purpose of extending this stupid pairing war. If we all saw Sakura's deepest desires, well I think it would speak volumes, then again it has spoken volumes already in my opinion.

 

kishi loves to drag things out and this arc proves it and all the females at this point are just there for love interest role and same is said for sakura.  I really do not have much faith in this manga to improve at this point because many times kishi has constantly proven the opposite  whenever it comes to sakura and its really really painful to watch.