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#501 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 11:24 PM

Even with Sakura copying/pasting Tsunade's techniques, I still feel as though he has not utilized her medical capabilities to there limit. There are so many offensive feats that I can think of that involve medical ninjutsu, and some of my ideas come from Kabuto's fight with Tsunade.

Kabuto doesnt fight like that anymore, he fought like that but still got his ass whooped against a Naruto.
About your ideas off Kabuto's fight, think that Sakura's punch is more effective than Kabuto's techniques there.

Sakura lacks long ranged attacks and elemental ninjutsu.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 12:13 AM

Kabuto doesnt fight like that anymore, he fought like that but still got his ass whooped against a Naruto.
About your ideas off Kabuto's fight, think that Sakura's punch is more effective than Kabuto's techniques there.

Sakura lacks long ranged attacks and elemental ninjutsu.

I know that's his old fighting style, but I still see so many takeaways from that scene that could be implemented in Sakura's arsenal. And Sakura's punches may be stronger than the techniques that Kabuto used, but I'm still impressed on how he and Tsunade utilized their medical feats to disable each other internally.

 

And as for long range attacks? I'm sure this more than compensates enough for her lack of offensive range.

 

 

A fissure sized punched should do.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:29 AM

At least one dream will have each of Team 7 member being in love with a side character. So Hinata takes Naruto, Ino takes Sai and Sasuke, Lee takes Sakura.. Go figure.

ino like a threesome :smug:



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:39 AM

Yes you said it, I had even underlined the sentence. 

 

I don't see any difference in the first post and you second one. You say they must work hard for their dreams to come true otherwise they would live in fals happiness because they wouls get their dreams without efforts. And that's not my opinion. even if they work hard, thoses dreams that we've seen won't come true. And the huge lie is about living in an illusion, this happiness would only be an illusion. But agree to disagree. 

 

That's because again you think I mean the dreams that they are actually seeing is literally the dreams you assume I mean they must work to gain in real life. I did not say that. The dreams do not mean to me what they should literally strive for although for some it is possible like Kiba becoming Hokage. I mean again, that if they have dreams in real life, and even if they are not what you see in the genjutsu they are something you should work towards. Again you assume I am talking about the dreams they see in the infinite Tsukuyomi, but I'm not. I am saying those dreams are a mere possibility of what they want  or may want in real life, but the dreams that they should strive to achieve in the real world do not have to be those specific dreams but they should still strive to achieve a goal in real life, through their own efforts. But if you still don't see my point then yes, agree to disagree


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:41 AM

ino like a threesome :smug:



Oh wow, I saw what you did there...O////O

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 02:01 AM

wha? i did nothing :umm:



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:27 AM

i wonder..kaguya will have a sad past? :smug:



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:44 AM

Yes... As she was growing up she had to live through endless war, her loved ones dying one after another in never ending conflict. So she decided to eat the fruit and gain power to end that once and for all. But the power went to her head and made her abuse that strength, so much so that people came to fear her...

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:25 AM

Wonder how she gone down. I mean she did that plan as well (I assume), so how did she get down? Unless it pulls Halo 4 backstory, it makes me wonder.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:10 AM

Wonder how she gone down. I mean she did that plan as well (I assume), so how did she get down? Unless it pulls Halo 4 backstory, it makes me wonder.

You Halo 4 I am thinking Assassin's Creed 4 like Kaguya Juno wants to comeback.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:43 AM

So now that I had let it sink in and read it several times, I want to give a real review.

The chapter was indeed amazing, especially for us. This doesn't make NaruSaku canon, but it indeed just ruins the other pairings and makes them hard to see them as anything more than wishful thinking by fans. Kishi is really driving the point home with it. That being said, I don't see how NH or SS can even make up ground now and might as well officially call them dead. There is no way to make those two couples real without just asspulling them into reality. Especially for SS which not even the Tsukuyomi can fix it.


I don't know that I'd be content to hang my hat on the idea that there is no way for them to be real without asspulling when Kishimoto gets accused of it so often.

I also don't see how it's amazing for us. As to SS, it follows up on last week, which was the real break. As to NH, I'm not sure how this hurts at all. It showed Hinata's innermost desire and that's it. The relationship isn't any more or less like than it was a week ago. In fact, if it does anything it harms the herworship argument by placing it in the romantic category. However, I don't see that as a big deal. That really isn't NH's problem.

I do have to comment on a few things though:
"Sakura is seen being afraid of Sasuke and almost like she is saying "Don't hit me""
Truth be told I don't see this at all. Instead I just see a girl who once again is disappointed by the fact that Sasuke again proves he doesn't really care about Team 7. All he cares about is himself and Naruto. (Maybe Team Not 7 as well, but whatever.) He hates his old life and wants to get rid of it and he has proven these feelings three times now in this war. I don't know why people keep keep ignoring these moments, but they are there. Sakura, however, is not some abused girl flinching like Tina Turner and Ike. It is her just feeling disappointment. Almost the exact same face she had when Sasuke tried to stab her through with his sword and not cared about her at all.


I don't think Sasuke cares all that much about Naruto. Naruto's abilities are simply more useful, if they weren't I bet he'd have been told off too.

Naruto did stand up for Kakashi and Sakura, but I see people see as more of a comedic than an actual standing up. Well, we can chalk this one up to Naruto's nature as a character. He is always hyperactive and expressive of his emotions. Doesn't mean his emotions aren't powerful. In fact, I could say that when he isn't that expressive or when he really is with a calm demeanor, it means he is heavy with burden or he is really pissed off to the point that you know you really messed up. Some people are like that. They can get angry and expressive, but when they get quiet and controlled, you know you really messed up. Does this diminish the reaction and Naruto sticking up for Sakura and Kakashi. No, it's just that Sasuke has done worse. Comparing to say when Sasuke tried to kill Sakura, he wasn't being that expressive at all. He in fact has this really pissed off face like "Oh no you didn't."


Didn't help that his face looked more like bad constipation instead of genuine anger.

Some people have been saying that Sakura's powers are not impressive and that Kishi is terrible at making her be as strong as Naruto and Sasuke. Okay, well to be frank, Naruto and Sasuke cheat with their powers. Even more so with Sasuke. Let's really put this into perspective: Sakura has never been a jinchuurki, she doesn't come from a special clan, she started with nothing, and she had to train the hardest out of anyone.


Given that I just said it like two pages ago, I think it's reasonable to believe you mean me. Just quote me instead of this generic stuff. Stop beating around the bush.

That they cheat is irrelevant. That they cheat is the reason her powers come across as a distant third doesn't change the fact that they still do. This is a cheap moral victory; they kind of this you reach for when you are otherwise losing the battle. She still getting one-shots with her power-ups and being allowed to defer back to Naruto and Sasuke. That they had to cheat to do it shouldn't make it any more tolerable.

Keeping pace with her teammates has been her objective. That is the standard as it has been her goal.

Would you say that Rock Lee sucks because he can't compete with Sasuke? No, because Rock Lee's case is about overcoming those struggles. He has so much handicap while everyone else got free boosts simply because they were born into a clan.

Sakura trained hard for her powers and I love her for it. It makes her real and it makes Rock Lee real. People are so willing to easily criticize her, yet want to play off that the fact that she is probably the third most powerful from her class. Again, and I know I am beating a dead horse, but why is Hinata getting a free pass again? I really am tired of the whole "because she is a side-character" arguement people propose because I could apply the reverse to Naruto and Sasuke: "They have to gain free stuff because they are the main characters." Yet, people still find BS with them. So I find BS with why everyone else can't be like Sakura and keep up or at least be at that steady pace. Not even Gaara is that powerful and he is a Kage.


No I would not say he sucks because of it, but it does mean he's not fit for the task at hand, which is what matters. Lee is a strong ninja. Sakura is probably one of the best, but that's not her goal. And that still doesn't make her effective against her current opponent, which, again, is the task at hand. Lee is a side-character who gets minimal attention. As an abstract matter, it is an accomplish to be better than him, but this story is not written in the abstract. The battle is against Madara and the goal, I would think, would be to stand on even ground, so she too, can effectively aid in the battle. To get a power up, serve as a meat shield and then end up ceding the field back to her teammates isn't impressive and shouldn't be satisfactory.

You dodge the problem by lowering the bar.

I'm not sure what Hinata gets a pass at? And the side-character bit is a legitimate argument in that you expect less of them in terms of quality development because they tend to exist for a more limited purpose. They story is not about them. They are aids to help tell the story. There are reasons they are side character

They aren't similarly situated characters and shouldn't be treated as such.

It's also kind of hard for Sakura to keep up especially when you keep moving the finish line and yet she is still in the race despite it. It really is shameful how much people criticize her for it and really I want to facepalm every time. They can't see a character trying so hard with effort, instead they just see a character who can't keep up. Well, then I will start heavily criticizing Hinata for this now. Everytime someone criticizes Sakura, I will poke at Hinata or any other character and express my disappointment that no other character is as powerful as Naruto and Sasuke right now.


Go ahead and criticize Hinata. That doesn't really do anything for the issue surrounding her character. The only person I see moving the finish like are you. Her goals has always been to keep pace with her team. SHE defines it this way numerous times. So, I am unsure why it's so shameful to expect the author to allow her to do that rather than hand her a power give a fraction of the action the then turn it back over to Naruto and Sasuke. I suppose Kishi moves it when they get strong, but is it so much to ask that when they do she follows suit? I think people are overly satisfied with what come across as token gestures.

If the goal is to keep pace with them then that is my expectation. I think the disappointment is that Kishimoto's treatment appears to have dumbed down the expectations of her character. When you compare her to Rock Lee that is moving the finish line backwards. Rock Lee has never been the objective and to say she's at that level in insufficient because that has never been the goal and he's stuck in dreamland anyway.

"Why not? Every character should be important." Sounds stupid to you? Think I am being impractical and not understanding the situation? Yeah, that feeling is the same feeling I get every time people bash Sakura with terrible reasons.


It does sound stupid to me (you asked) because not every character is important.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 06:11 AM

But that is the main problem Nate. How can you expect Sakura to keep up with these guys when she doesn't get a broken power-up as what they have? Yeah, we can blame Kishi there but what makes the argument so difficult to agree and disagree on is the fact that Sakura is getting hate that she doesn't deserve. She has the wish to keep up with them but she doesn't have a free power up that can help her do that. IMO, that's the problem here, Sakura getting the hate that Kishi is supposed to receive because Kishi has not given her a door for her to open and acquire that power up needed to keep up with these two demigods, to put it like that.

And why compare Sakura to Hinata? Simple, because thay's the character that Sakura is compare to most of the time.And speaking of which: Hinata on the other hand, has a free power up that she has barely used. We could say that she wasted her potential, but then again, that's irrelevant since she's a side character huh? Well then, we might as well tell every Naruto fan to stop comparing Hinata to Sakura and I guess we could do the same.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 06:54 AM

Wonder how she gone down. I mean she did that plan as well (I assume), so how did she get down? Unless it pulls Halo 4 backstory, it makes me wonder.


Hagoromo likely had something to do with it.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:31 AM

Madara: Women are weak. And weak are ugly.

Kaguya: Oh really?

Madara: Holy sh-

 

 

 

Bye bye Madara  :wave:

 

This is for you bro

 
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Whoever had watched this cutie pie
 
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You Are Sick...Just like me  :hehehe: 

 


#515 ramenanmitsu

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:36 AM

This is for you bro

I love this image! This is just perfect. Thank you very much sis!!! 


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#516 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:37 AM

Hagoromo likely had something to do with it.

So in this case, Halo 4, only not the wife, but by her own son.

 

Hm, I think we about to learn the disappearance of Hagoromo's brother soon. Seriously, where did he go? First Yamato, then Minato, and now, I want to know what the hell happened.

 

You Halo 4 I am thinking Assassin's Creed 4 like Kaguya Juno wants to comeback.

That's because I didn't play it yet. Lol.



#517 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:45 AM

But that is the main problem Nate. How can you expect Sakura to keep up with these guys when she doesn't get a broken power-up as what they have? Yeah, we can blame Kishi there but what makes the argument so difficult to agree and disagree on is the fact that Sakura is getting hate that she doesn't deserve.

Then why the hell Kishi put as her goal to stand as an equal between Naruto and Sasuke and makes her sad every damn time she doesnt achieve it?
Inst more obvious instead of being sad, just accept she's not broken like Naruto and Sasuke and move on with this bs already?
 

And why compare Sakura to Hinata? Simple, because thay's the character that Sakura is compare to most of the time.And speaking of which: Hinata on the other hand, has a free power up that she has barely used. We could say that she wasted her potential, but then again, that's irrelevant since she's a side character huh? Well then, we might as well tell every Naruto fan to stop comparing Hinata to Sakura and I guess we could do the same.

No one here compared Hinata with Sakura only James bought it up to show something since but i didnt read the whole post.
About the whole powerups thing, i'm just going to point out that they all received powerups including Sakura the difference is that the rookies didnt had the goal to keep up with Naruto, so they have their own pace.
Sakura in other hand wants to caught up with Naruto and Sasuke and fight alongside them which is completely insane with her current powerlevel.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:57 AM

Then why the hell Kishi put as her goal to stand as an equal between Naruto and Sasuke and makes her sad every damn time she doesnt achieve it?
Inst more obvious instead of being sad, just accept she's not broken like Naruto and Sasuke and move on with this bs already?
 
No one here compared Hinata with Sakura only James bought it up to show something since but i didnt read the whole post.
About the whole powerups thing, i'm just going to point out that they all received powerups including Sakura the difference is that the rookies didnt had the goal to keep up with Naruto, so they have their own pace.
Sakura in other hand wants to caught up with Naruto and Sasuke and fight alongside them which is completely insane with her current powerlevel.

I agree with the opinion that Sakura is awesome because she didn't get any asspull power-ups, only from her efforts alone. But that doesn't mean that we should be satisfied with her not achieving her goals. Manga-wise, asspull power-ups are considered decent power-ups. Us excusing Sakura's growth because she is born from a normal family is completely missing the point, because 'hardwork' and 'being the underdog' is not important in the manga anymore (it would have worked if this was in part one). Now the ones that are destined, have great bloodlines, have a tailed beast are the ones that become strong and change the world. If her goal is to become equal with Sasuke and Naruto, then she should get 'decent power-ups' to reach their level. If not, that is just incomplete work of Kishi.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 10:02 AM

We may have to wait longer on what Kakashi and Sakura can do because next chapter should be like showcase of Kaguya. So patience is a virtue.



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 10:16 AM

We may have to wait longer on what Kakashi and Sakura can do because next chapter should be like showcase of Kaguya. So patience is a virtue.

Yeah, I'm going to wait. And I do think she will get power-ups. Sasuke's commentary was an obvious introductory of what's going to come. 

 

I just wanted to point out that there is no point in being satisfied about her tiny 'natural' power-ups when the manga itself values huge 'asspull power-ups". If Kishi is trying to portray those godawful power-ups Naruto and Sasuke received as 'decent', then we just have to accept that that it is 'decent'. (Although, I can't help but admire Sakura more than Naruto and Sasuke)


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