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[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Yup. I don't ever want to be one of those people that ignore what the story is telling them. The bond between Naruto and Sasuke is a key aspect of this manga, I can acknowledge that even if I'm not terribly fond of it.

Yeah, but that's just the way it is. In a way, I can wish for that for pairing war. How one can ignore NS as a whole?

[Codus N]

Good stuff. I could definitely see it happening.

 

It's interesting to think that Obito's motive is his love/loss of Rin. For all the friendship bonds that circle around Naruto, Obito's bond with Kakashi takes a back seat to his bond to Rin in terms of motivating him for the future.

 

However Madara and Hashirama seemed to be more like Sasuke/Naruto in terms of a mirrored friendship/rivalry bond.

 

Anyway, because of Obito's love-centric motives, I could really see a senario like you presented happening. Where Obito forces Naruto to become like him by stealing the one thing he loves most, with the promise to restore it in this other world.

 

With Obito, the parallel to Naruto has no real tie to that yin/yang Sasuke bond. Other villains have been presented as a sort of stepping stone to his conflict with Sasuke. But this one, if Kishimoto chooses to go that route, could reflect on Naruto's love and future life, representing what he's willing to give sacrifice to get to it.

 

Honestly, it would be nice to see everything brought up to some do-or-die level choices. To really see Naruto tested. Sakura's death (or appearance of it) would really force Naruto to be the hero and make the hard choices that no one else can make.

 

Except that if we were to see that parallel happening, we need Team Minato come full circle as well. If that scenario has to happen, the remaining members of Team Minato has to be there to see it happen. Team Minato and Team 7 have the strongest parallel to each other compared to the other team dynamics of the past. You can't really have something big and earth-shattering happening to Team Seven without having Team Minato involved. If that doesn't happen, it would lack a lot of "oomph" for the scene.

 

I'd actually like to see Kakashi going into a flying rage against Obito when he sees it happening. All the efforts Kakashi made in order to make sure Team Seven would never suffer the same fate becoming undone and broken to pieces would definitely drive him off the deep end. In a way, Kakashi is being selfish in this instance because Team Seven is something of a therapy to him. In fact, I wouldn't put it past him to have initially viewed Team Seven as a way to absolve himself of his guilt. Basically, he used Team Seven for his own personal, selfish desires.     
 

I wouldn't be surprised if Kakashi pulls out Susanoo at this point

 

Over the years I've developed a bit of cynisism over the pairing wars. Conseqeuntly, I think it'd be kinda of funny to off some combination of Sakura/Naruto/Hinata/Sasuke (doesn't matter which) as a giant F-you to the fandoms. Whoops, they died....nobody gets anybody. Oh well.

The story construction alone would prevent me from doing this (I do care about that after all) if I were Kishimoto, but watching the pairings wars would at least creation a strong temptation to kill them off and say...oh, well sorry about that.

 

You and me both, Nate. It doesn't help that I'm reading another manga which its pairings are so much more consistently better developed in comparison.

[Psychox]

I have to go with this too. When she said that line, she acknowledged that they never really got along as individuals, rather as a group. By that I mean group interactions and mission interactions. When was the last time we saw them together talking in a daily life? According to my head, nothing. Sakura keeps trying but he keeps breaking her heart, so naturally, before he leaves for a long time, she acknowledged that they never got along. The one thing Sasuke will respect her is her being in Team 7 as a family, so that's his farewell. Somebody in here or tumblr posted something interesting about the scene being rejection, even though many already said this, but it's connected to the culture. I can see why people said that chapter is end of SS because why Sasuke never say anything good? Why Sasuke never got to do anything good? Why can't he interact with her normal? Why he has no desire to talk to her? Why he never see her as a person? Why that thought never cross his mind? Why Sakura never talked about that love until the last arc? Why even continue to build NS if it was solidify as best friend from part 1? Answer them.

 

I saw the rant on Tubmlr , its about culture , when a girl confesses and the boy says '' Thank you'' he means '''No thanks'' in sign of rejection .  Well, i don't know he complimented her genjustu talent , but his motives behind it were unknown , maybe he wanted to fight the strong guys? Meh. He just didn't want to , i mean why should he? He didn't have to be jerk to her, but she blew her chance in chapter 3 . Its a big speculation if she said something different to him rather to make fun of Naruto that he would warm up to her , but then again his character was never about romance in the first place . Its like Madara would go all mushy and gooey . It doesn't fit  them. He doesn't want to talk to her ,because she was annoying , he said so himself . Now , that is a head scratcher  . If she doesn't stay up for herself and allow him to thread her like crap , then he won't stop . Dunno, maybe Naruto was close and she was thinking more about him, his feelings, his thoughts and secretly falling for him as Kishi himself states in the interview 'bout her confession .

I don't have an more adequate explanation , b-but because she loves him .
 

[Dkey]

 

Except that if we were to see that parallel happening, we need Team Minato come full circle as well. If that scenario has to happen, the remaining members of Team Minato has to be there to see it happen. Team Minato and Team 7 have the strongest parallel to each other compared to the other team dynamics of the past. You can't really have something big and earth-shattering happening to Team Seven without having Team Minato involved. If that doesn't happen, it would lack a lot of "oomph" for the scene.

 

I'd actually like to see Kakashi going into a flying rage against Obito when he sees it happening. All the efforts Kakashi made in order to make sure Team Seven would never suffer the same fate becoming undone and broken to pieces would definitely drive him off the deep end. In a way, Kakashi is being selfish in this instance because Team Seven is something of a therapy to him. In fact, I wouldn't put it past him to have initially viewed Team Seven as a way to absolve himself of his guilt. Basically, he used Team Seven for his own personal, selfish desires.     
 

I wouldn't be surprised if Kakashi pulls out Susanoo at this point

 

 

You and me both, Nate. It doesn't help that I'm reading another manga which its pairings are so much more consistently better developed in comparison.

 

I agree regarding Kakashi. If he would see Team 7 succeed he will feel redeemed for all the failures of team minato. Seeing all of them together, Naruto as Hokage and all that. Also he saw himself in Sasuke and saw Obito in Naruto and it wasn't addressed yet but he is the perfect person to say if Sakura and Rin resemble each other. So I think if he sees all of them succeed in surviving he will feel like he didn't fail Obito, Minato and Rin.

But I don't see it as selfish. One can't be selfish if he acts with humility. And Kakashi can't be accused of being selfish. Aloof maybe, but if he gets some personal closure it isn't selfish.

[Psychox]

 

I agree regarding Kakashi. If he would see Team 7 succeed he will feel redeemed for all the failures of team minato. Seeing all of them together, Naruto as Hokage and all that. Also he saw himself in Sasuke and saw Obito in Naruto and it wasn't addressed yet but he is the perfect person to say if Sakura and Rin resemble each other. So I think if he sees all of them succeed in surviving he will feel like he didn't fail Obito, Minato and Rin.

But I don't see it as selfish. One can't be selfish if he acts with humility. And Kakashi can't be accused of being selfish. Aloof maybe, but if he gets some personal closure it isn't selfish.

Come to think of it , can Kakashi be the only one to defeat Obito by this point? I mean Obito can't use Kamui now that he is a Jinchuuriki , so if Kakashi comes out of the Kamui world, does that mean that he'll be able to stop him? Maybe that's why kishi has ignored him(hidden) him for nearly 11 chapters? That's just an assumption ^_^.

[Kster95]

That last Hinata panel was sort of confusing, could it be she finally realized Naruto will only have feelings for Sakura?  Or was she just shocked at all the emotions 

[Psychox]

^Could be, but i think she has already realized that ... but on second thought ...615 happened and her thoughts were very inappropriate .. Yes, she kept it to herself but ... Meh. I think Kishi does that on purpose even Karin took a hit..

Edited by Psychox, 19 September 2013 - 06:23 PM.

[Liu bie]

That last Hinata panel was sort of confusing, could it be she finally realized Naruto will only have feelings for Sakura?  Or was she just shocked at all the emotions 

I think she just shocked at all the emotions.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

In my opinion, Sakura and Ino is much more better than Hinata and Karin. 

 

All four of them cannot let go of their feelings. Well this is understandable since you can't just erase your feelings like a robot. However, Sakura and Ino is different in a way that they don't wish to be their love interest's girlfriend/aggressively try to pursue their love interest since part 2. They keep their feelings to themselves. 

 

Karin and Hinata obviously knows their feelings are one-sided and the guy doesn't really care about them, yet they desperately try to grab their love interest. To me, this action lacks self-interest. 

 

I think you interpreted Sakura's sentence in a bad way. Sakura didn't say Naruto was a "fool" to make fun of him or berate him. That sentence was to berate herself. She thinks she doesn't deserve all the attention Naruto gives her. Therefore she called him a "fool" because he is in love with an unworthy girl.

 

And about the latter part, chapter 540 clearly showed that she is ashamed of having feelings for Sasuke. That's more negatively stronger than being just a "fool". 

 

That's the same conclusion i got and yet it's ridiculous anyway, she called Naruto a fool because she feels unworthy of him but yet sasuke doesnt get the same treatment, she didnt see that Sasuke is unworthy of her?

540 says this, she's ashamed of her feelings or knows that Sasuke is a bad guy, we dont get any conclusion or resolution about that scene, yes she doesnt trust Sasuke but how could she trust him after what he did to her, that's the problem with this, we have yet to see a conclusion about this whole thing.

We dont know if she still wants to pursue a relationship with Sasuke or already dropped this.

 

In the end is the same thing she also doesnt has self respect, Sakura doesnt acknowledge the things she does and always try to put down her own actions.

On that moment she thought she was on almost on the same level as Sasuke in terms of making Naruto suffer, inst it ridiculous?

 

"i'm the one that made Naruto suffer the most"

( i believe it's mistranslation i think")

"i only do mistakes..."

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 September 2013 - 06:34 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I saw the rant on Tubmlr , its about culture , when a girl confesses and the boy says '' Thank you'' he means '''No thanks'' in sign of rejection .  Well, i don't know he complimented her genjustu talent , but his motives behind it were unknown , maybe he wanted to fight the strong guys? Meh. He just didn't want to , i mean why should he? He didn't have to be jerk to her, but she blew her chance in chapter 3 . Its a big speculation if she said something different to him rather to make fun of Naruto that he would warm up to her , but then again his character was never about romance in the first place . Its like Madara would go all mushy and gooey . It doesn't fit  them. He doesn't want to talk to her ,because she was annoying , he said so himself . Now , that is a head scratcher  . If she doesn't stay up for herself and allow him to thread her like crap , then he won't stop . Dunno, maybe Naruto was close and she was thinking more about him, his feelings, his thoughts and secretly falling for him as Kishi himself states in the interview 'bout her confession .

I don't have an more adequate explanation , b-but because she loves him .
 

I didn't think anyone would answer but thanks. Really, it's not that hard to understand. I did find it funny when Sharingan was explained, before reading it all through, people would think he awakened if love is involved and by that, I mean romantic one. But nope, Kishi said, "No no no. It's love as in general, so in this case, brotherly love." He shot down so damn quick.

[Kster95]

I think Sakura is going to save Shikamaru using the technique Chiyo used on her since I think he is still alive. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think Sakura is going to save Shikamaru using the technique Chiyo used on her since I think he is still alive. 

I dont know man, i think Shika only needs common heal or Tsunade will step up, i belive Sakura has something into her sleeve to save Naruto, since her concern was mostly about hm dying fighting Sasuke so i believe she has some kind of jutsu to save him.

It even parallels to Tsunade, she failed to save Dan's life, Sakura might succeed.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 September 2013 - 06:46 PM.

[sushi.]

So what will she sacrifice for? revive alliance? naruto? or stop an attack?

It isn't crazy to think Sakura will take a hit for Naruto(or something along the lines). It has been directly stated in the manga, it was too blunt to miss.

You know, I just clicked... So we know Obito's biggest regret is not confessing to Rin and Minato's biggest regret, outside the Naruto matter is the fact that he couldn't protect Kushina, thus she died.

We all know where this leads, right? We all know that Naruto wants to protect Sakura and confess to her, so I just thought, now it makes sense that Rin and Kushina were brought-up lately. What if that scenario with Sakura being in danger, yadda yadda, comes into play soon?

I was wondering about Kushina too. She has been brought up not as a mother or an Uzumaki, but as Minato's love interest. Minato's memories of Kushina, how she helped him, how he couldn't protect her etc. I really want this to trigger a parallel not only because of my shipping heart, but because I want it to be more than sentimental fluffiness, I want it to mean something for the plot.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It isn't crazy to think Sakura will take a hit for Naruto(or something along the lines). It has been directly stated in the manga, it was too blunt to miss.

I was wondering about Kushina too. She has been brought up not as a mother or an Uzumaki, but as Minato's love interest. Minato's memories of Kushina, how she helped him, how he couldn't protect her etc. I really want this to trigger a parallel not only because of my shipping heart, but because I want it to be more than sentimental fluffiness, I want it to mean something for the plot.

Thank you. You and me are in the same ship. Pretty sure many are as well.

[deviouslyChaotic]

I think Sakura is going to save Shikamaru using the technique Chiyo used on her since I think he is still alive. 

Could using that technique end up killing her? It would be really interesting to see her use that technique as well as how other characters will react if she dies from it. Not saying I want to see Sakura die, but it'd be interesting to see how that scenario would play out.

[Psychox]

I didn't think anyone would answer but thanks. Really, it's not that hard to understand. I did find it funny when Sharingan was explained, before reading it all through, people would think he awakened if love is involved and by that, I mean romantic one. But nope, Kishi said, "No no no. It's love as in general, so in this case, brotherly love." He shot down so damn quick.

I can vouch  that there is something else that could be said . He did awoke a new power for Karin 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I can vouch  that there is something else that could be said . He did awoke a new power for Karin 

True but that will hurt more for SS. Anyway, the point is that he still about brotherhood.

[Kster95]

Could using that technique end up killing her? It would be really interesting to see her use that technique as well as how other characters will react if she dies from it. Not saying I want to see Sakura die, but it'd be interesting to see how that scenario would play out.

 

No if he is still alive it will only tire her out, Chiyo used it on Sakura and Chiyo didn't die because  Sakura was still alive. Yeah I feel like if she were to die it would crush alot of characters.

[Psychox]

True but that will hurt more for SS. Anyway, the point is that he still about brotherhood.

It already has ... and it has hit them hard , but they deny that . Here -> http://uchiha-red.tu...n-from-sasusaku

Last time a NH fan ass pulled so much SS arguments, because he ran out of NH moments , so he said something of the lines .. '' Due to Tóbirama's explanations about the Sharingann Saasuke will eventually love Sakura''.. Hmm.. Nope.

Edited by Psychox, 19 September 2013 - 07:07 PM.

[Darkness]

It already has ... and it has hit them hard , but they deny that . Here -> http://uchiha-red.tu...n-from-sasusaku

Last time a NH fan ass pulled so much SS arguments, because he ran out of NH moments , so he said something of the lines .. '' Due to Tóbirama's explanations about the Sharingann Saasuke will eventually love Sakura''.. Hmm.. Nope.

 

Wait, what? Last time I checked Sasuke has awaken new Sharingan powers for: Itachi, Naruto, Naruto again, Itachi dying and finally Karin.