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[六道仙人]

Quick remider: Sakuras slug is KATSUYU TSunades is KATSUYA. They're both completely different summonings, also sasukes and narutos.

Please oh god, dont let sasuke be up to no good! :(

 

It's Katsuyu. Katsuya is just a typo.

[PhenixElite]

Quick remider: Sakuras slug is KATSUYU TSunades is KATSUYA. They're both completely different summonings, also sasukes and narutos.

Please oh god, dont let sasuke be up to no good! :(

Theres actually no katsuya

[Canadian_DJ]

Yes! There different! Seriously guys? You didnt notice something THIS obvious? O.O

Yes...they're both different...

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
It's Katsuyu. Katsuya is just a typo.

So that means they're both different then?

[六道仙人]

So that means they're both different then?

 

No! It's always our dear Katsuyu! xD

 

Katsuya doesn't exists xD

Edited by 六道仙人, 13 June 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
No! It's always our dear Katsuyu! xD
 
Katsuya doesn't exists xD

Ooo. I am shocked! Shocked!...well not that shocked but good to know.

[rocci]

They are same slug, but to summon boss slug is a feat.
Oh and susanoo and Kyubi chakra shroud can withstand sakura puch, but that doesn't mean sakura is weak. It just both naruto and sasuke on different level and with magic eye and sealed demon they will reach godlike power level soon.

[TouKen4Life3g]

They are same slug, but to summon boss slug is a feat.
Oh and susanoo and Kyubi chakra shroud can withstand sakura puch, but that doesn't mean sakura is weak. It just both naruto and sasuke on different level and with magic eye and sealed demon they will reach godlike power level soon.

Oh of course it's a feat. Just thought I was wrong about what I said with summoning.

[Atheck]

They are same slug, but to summon boss slug is a feat.
Oh and susanoo and Kyubi chakra shroud can withstand sakura puch, but that doesn't mean sakura is weak. It just both naruto and sasuke on different level and with magic eye and sealed demon they will reach godlike power level soon.

Naruto would probably still be superior to Sakura even without Kurama's chakra enhancing him. Keep in mind that a significant amount of his strength is derived from his Uzumaki heritage, techniques, and his unpredictable strategic mindset. SM would remain a possibility for him and without Kurama hindering the fusion process Fukasaku and Shima would be capable of acquiring an endless supply of sage chakra for him to use whilst offering their own unique abilities as well. Naruto would not be at the level that he is currently but he would remain as a very powerful Kage tier character, probably at around the same level as Jiraiya.

 

As for Sasuke there isn't as much that can be used to substantiate his superiority over Sakura without Sharingan. Being in possession of Orochimaru's essence would likely fall under a similar category as Naruto's status as a jinchuuriki so his regenerative and snake based abilities would need to be removed. At his absolute peak Sasuke without assistance from other people or creatures as well as his doujutsu would become a competent low Kage tier adversary IMO. His masterful kenjutsu usage, paralysis enduing Raiton techniques (especially Chidori Nagashi and Kirin), Katon, and the Curse Seal would offer him numerous advantages over his foes. Without the Sharingan his rank drops enormously from what it is currently but he is still far more powerful than any of the other rookies and most Jonin. Honestly, Sasuke's perceptual ability would still be excellent thanks to the CS and natural aptitude as a shinobi. Sakura could possibly defeat him in this state but it would likely degenerate into a war of attrition as Sasuke would be unable to kill her but his superior training and intuition should enable him to avoid her attacks for some time. The only unknown variable in a hypothetical fight is Kirin. Would Sakura's seal allow her to survive a destructive force of nature that is stated to be capable of obliterating its target?

 

This is what I believe the order of power would result in if Naruto and Sasuke were deprived of their  KG and bijuu:

 

Sage Mode Naruto > Curse Seal Sasuke >= Byakugou Sakura

 

There may be some variables that have not been accounted for in this assumption.

[Phantom_999]

I personally would find it more reasonable if Sasuke did still have some dark intentions. Because  right now he seems ooc to me after all the antagonistic things he did. But if his development is real than I wouldn't mind. I would not make sense to me nor would I consider is Kishimoto's greatest moment in story development but I'd make my peace with it eventually. 

 

@ Dkey: Yeah I could go for that. It could work.

Edited by Phantom_999, 13 June 2013 - 07:17 PM.

[Dkey]

I personally would find it more reasonable if Sasuke did still have some dark intentions. Because  right now he seems ooc to me after all the antagonistic things he did. But if his development is real than I wouldn't mind. I would not make sense to me nor would I consider is Kishimoto's greatest moment in story development but I'd make my peace with it eventually. 

 

Hmm I for one see that Sasuke isn't there just to the end the conflict. He still is following his goals. As for dark it depends on how dark they are.

Anyway since he proclaimed that he wants to become Hokage he set himself again in opposition to Naruto. If we are fundamentally gonna see Sasuke's side as good or bad depends on Kishi. Somehow it may be morally grey. Because right now if we are to analyze both of them, they're plans don't take into consideration other information ( Naruto doesn't know how Madara fell or that all the Hokage have expressed regrets) (Sasuke doesn't know what Itachi told Naruto)

[T XD]

I personally would find it more reasonable if Sasuke did still have some dark intentions. Because  right now he seems ooc to me after all the antagonistic things he did. But if his development is real than I wouldn't mind. I would not make sense to me nor would I consider is Kishimoto's greatest moment in story development but I'd make my peace with it eventually. 

I think Sasuke has a dark intention if he back stabbed hard Naruto, Sakura and the others. Not when he reveals his plan. Sasuke is following his mind, not caring for anything else, and wants to achieve whatever he wants despite the opinions of the people which it's a wrong thing to be that way. He wants to achieve from what he sees in his perspective way no matter what.

 

Means he's extremely careless and following his own set of mind.

Edited by T XD, 13 June 2013 - 07:20 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I find it funny that Kishi managed to end this quickly. I mean there was no real struggle with the alliance to the point Sasuke must show support, but since there wasn't, it makes it harder for everyone to get the right idea that Sasuke is being shady. It's like if I'm in a group after agreeing to be part of them and when the point to kill a man comes, I won't do it, but they will tell me I'm not one of them, so they will attack. So yeah, Sasuke is lucky for everyone not notice. I feel like 633 ruins 632 idea of him being nice because it seems that the main focus is that Sasuke is being indifference with others. Again, the rivalry was shown but in a serious manner. Their rivalry should be fun, not serious to the point they want to kill each other. So yeah, time to see if there's really any evil intentions coming in.

[Dkey]

I find it funny that Kishi managed to end this quickly. I mean there was no real struggle with the alliance to the point Sasuke must show support, but since there wasn't, it makes it harder for everyone to get the right idea that Sasuke is being shady. It's like if I'm in a group after agreeing to be part of them and when the point to kill a man comes, I won't do it, but they will tell me I'm not one of them, so they will attack. So yeah, Sasuke is lucky for everyone not notice. I feel like 633 ruins 632 idea of him being nice because it seems that the main focus is that Sasuke is being indifference with others. Again, the rivalry was shown but in a serious manner. Their rivalry should be fun, not serious to the point they want to kill each other. So yeah, time to see if there's really any evil intentions coming in.

 

Their rivalry was from part 1 pretty serious. Sure it had some comedic undertones but it was integral to the story. Sasuke may not be planning to kill Naruto but only neutralize him. Or maybe he doesn't even acknowledge him as a threat. As for group it's not really that much of a group. The others jumped in to face sasuke not welcome him back. Then Naruto gets up and decides to fight with Sasuke, Sakura joins too and some team rivalry sparks up. Then Naruto and Sasuke combine their attack and now they can roast some marshmallows at the juubi fire. But all of this is short lived, he at the most will help with Madara/Obito but somehow he might not think they are even worth it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Their rivalry was from part 1 pretty serious. Sure it had some comedic undertones but it was integral to the story. Sasuke may not be planning to kill Naruto but only neutralize him. Or maybe he doesn't even acknowledge him as a threat. As for group it's not really that much of a group. The others jumped in to face sasuke not welcome him back. Then Naruto gets up and decides to fight with Sasuke, Sakura joins too and some team rivalry sparks up. Then Naruto and Sasuke combine their attack and now they can roast some marshmallows at the juubi fire. But all of this is short lived, he at the most will help with Madara/Obito but somehow he might not think they are even worth it.

I'm not asking for comedy for their rivalry, but when you look at first two arcs, they enjoyed training and trying to reach to the top. After Chuunin Exam, it gotten very personal, at least to Sasuke. I mean using chidori to kill Naruto on the rooftop? That's a bit too far. That's why Sakura has to jump in because their fight was way too serious. It was barely a sparring match, almost felt like a battle to kill one. Again look at Chuunin Exam, on how Sasuke smiles wanting to fight Naruto in a rival match, which Naruto responded later. But now, it's like let's fight but if you die, you die. I mean honestly, if they crack a smile in 633, then I would think Sasuke has changed, but he didn't. That's why Kishi played it well to have Sasuke's poker face until now.

 

That's why the story between them is supposed to be tragic because on how serious it has become. It could have been a nice friendly fight, but now, it's getting too deep. If you read Berserk, it's similar, only that one is too dark.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 13 June 2013 - 07:38 PM.

[Chatte]

Ok, so I promised I will come back with an explanation.
Let me begin...

Here is the sign of Tsunade's injuries being healed via Sozo Saisei

 

And this is Sakura healing via remote healing technique.

 

 

You can see that both Tsunade and Sai have the same cuts through their skin, meaning, as Sakura said back in the previous chapter, grave injuries.

However, as we've seen, Tsunade heals this via Sozo Saisei while Sakura did it with just normal healing.

And we see that smokey thing indicating healing, which only appeared before when Tsunade used Sozo Saisei. When Sakura healed, it showed just the normal green aura and that's it, however, this time, Kishi showed us a 'deeper' level, so to speak.

I wondered why did it show that panel with the wound closing but now I got it!

And not even in Pein Arc, when Tsunade did the same thing, it showed this level of details in terms of healing. It just showed the Slugs being attached to the citizens, however, the healing was portrayed normally, but not with this detail of closing the wounds and this smoke-like thing coming out.

This was only presented when Tsunade used Sozo Saisei as I said.

Maan, I am wondering... If Sakura can heal already at this level WITHOUT even the seal being released...What happens when she releases it?! O_o

Kishi u sly dog! Putting so small details that one could get past if not for really maximum attention payed to the details.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow, thanks for info. I must admit I am hoping for NaruSaku vs Sasuke because it will be nice to see next gen battle before Naruto vs Sasuke happens.

[Gravenimage]

Ok, so I promised I will come back with an explanation.
Let me begin...

Here is the sign of Tsunade's injuries being healed via Sozo Saisei

 

And this is Sakura healing via remote healing technique.

 

 

You can see that both Tsunade and Sai have the same cuts through their skin, meaning, as Sakura said back in the previous chapter, grave injuries.

However, as we've seen, Tsunade heals this via Sozo Saisei while Sakura did it with just normal healing.

And we see that smokey thing indicating healing, which only appeared before when Tsunade used Sozo Saisei. When Sakura healed, it showed just the normal green aura and that's it, however, this time, Kishi showed us a 'deeper' level, so to speak.

I wondered why did it show that panel with the wound closing but now I got it!

And not even in Pein Arc, when Tsunade did the same thing, it showed this level of details in terms of healing. It just showed the Slugs being attached to the citizens, however, the healing was portrayed normally, but not with this detail of closing the wounds and this smoke-like thing coming out.

This was only presented when Tsunade used Sozo Saisei as I said.

Maan, I am wondering... If Sakura can heal already at this level WITHOUT even the seal being released...What happens when she releases it?! O_o

Kishi u sly dog! Putting so small details that one could get past if not for really maximum attention payed to the details.

 

Chatte if this turns out to be true then Sakura has already surpassed Tsunade as the new slug sanin.

[Chatte]

 

Chatte if this turns out to be true then Sakura has already surpassed Tsunade as the new slug sanin.

I am sure it is! Hell, I've never been wrong [sorry for sounding too cocky]... Ok, maybe once. This time when I said that Sakura didn't summon Katsuyu.

However! If you go back in the manga and look at the details when healing, you can see that this detail was only shown when Tsunade healed herself via Sozo Saisei.

OMG, now I am even more excited to see what's next!!!

[Dkey]

Ok, so I promised I will come back with an explanation.
Let me begin...
Here is the sign of Tsunade's injuries being healed via Sozo Saisei

 
And this is Sakura healing via remote healing technique.
 

 
You can see that both Tsunade and Sai have the same cuts through their skin, meaning, as Sakura said back in the previous chapter, grave injuries.
However, as we've seen, Tsunade heals this via Sozo Saisei while Sakura did it with just normal healing.
And we see that smokey thing indicating healing, which only appeared before when Tsunade used Sozo Saisei. When Sakura healed, it showed just the normal green aura and that's it, however, this time, Kishi showed us a 'deeper' level, so to speak.
I wondered why did it show that panel with the wound closing but now I got it!
And not even in Pein Arc, when Tsunade did the same thing, it showed this level of details in terms of healing. It just showed the Slugs being attached to the citizens, however, the healing was portrayed normally, but not with this detail of closing the wounds and this smoke-like thing coming out.
This was only presented when Tsunade used Sozo Saisei as I said.
Maan, I am wondering... If Sakura can heal already at this level WITHOUT even the seal being released...What happens when she releases it?! O_o
Kishi u sly dog! Putting so small details that one could get past if not for really maximum attention payed to the details.

Maybe because I assume Tsunade has more yang chakra while Sakura is more yin. It can also explain the name of Sakura's seal