Fine, Atheck. I'm tired. Let's give Hinata all credit in the world and say that yes she is a better heroine than Sakura.
That's not my intention. I endeavour to look at all perspectives of an argument or a situation, this manga is no different. She is not a better heroine in the slightest except perhaps to those who would argue that doujutsu or some innate capability is the only means through which a hero can be forged. All I believe is that Hinata is not provided with enough credit for what she does, not that her actions warrant an exorbitant amount of attention or praise. But for something like repelling a few Mokuton stakes, that was never presented by anyone here, and I am not able to abide by that. Partially because I would feel unjust and hypocritical for refusing to acknowledge what few accomplishments Hinata manages to achieve.
Yes, her achievements are few and far between, and yes they're relatively minor usually when you compare Hinata to someone like Sakura or Ino, but her character has proven to be beneficial in the past.
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Yes, Atheck, let's not hold anything against Hinata because her heart is in the right place even though she doesn't care about her clan or the safety of the village. As long as she loves Naruto, it's all okay.
There is no reason whatsoever to presume that she is not concerned about her clan or village. Kishi just chooses to centre her character on her infatuation with Naruto which I have already acknowledged is severely prejudicial because it inhibits her from being able to establish a life for herself beyond her impossible aspirations to be with Naruto.
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Let's disregard the fact that she wasn't there in part 1 at all and was this huge fangirl for Naruto.
Well that's not entirely true as she was there on several occasions (chapters 42, 77, and 98) to offer assistance to Naruto in some form or another. Apart from those anomalous occurrences though she really did not interact with Naruto much at all. Her role was primarily that of an enamoured onlooker who provided her implicit support during whatever situation he found himself in.
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Let's give her popping Naruto's shoulder back in as a sign for healing,
It isn't healing though. Her efforts would be no different than someone requesting one of their friends to readjust their dislocated shoulder. The only exceptional quality about that occurrence was Hinata's application of Juken to address the issue.
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I mean cause Sakura never did anything like that.
Sakura hasn't readjusted Naruto's shoulder before, no. But she's done much more with restoring his vitality on several different occasions.
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Pein arc? Oh it was all unintentional so we can't hold that against her.
Her actions were motivated by selfish intentions but they did produce a positive impact, albeit indirectly. It doesn't negate the stupidity of her actions but alleging that it yielded no beneficial responses would be inaccurate IMHO.
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Let's disregard all the times when she didn't try to solve Naruto's problem's or push him to better things. It doesn't matter. We can't fault Hinata for anything cause she was innocent and shy,
It matters astronomically. There have been few instances where she was actually there to assist him when he required it; and they amount to only two separate occasions, the first one needing to be initiated by Naruto himself. There is much more she could have done to ameliorate Naruto's affliction, even if she had simply acknowledged him without castigation then that might have assisted him emotionally on so many different levels when he was growing up. But you're correct, she never did such things and it's one of the major grievances that so many of us have with her character.
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but let's hold everything against Sakura because she knew exactly what she was doing.
Sakura does have her flaws, her own imperfections, but the good she has done greatly outweighs any negativity. Those who would blindly postulate for the contrary with little understanding of her character or the impact of her actions can burn for all that I am concerned about.
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Oh and let's blame Kishimoto for bad writing, but 615 was a masterpiece of writing even though all Hinata did was repeat what Itachi said and that Naruto went completely OoC. It was good writing because Hinata was the heroine that snapped Naruto out of his emo stage. So, yes she saved Naruto from utter destruction.
To be honest, that chapter was one of the reasons for why I began posting here in the first place and my abandonment of GF for months. I hated that chapter so much and I was so petrified by peoples' response to it that I nearly quit the manga. But then the well developed arguments within the pairing debate and chapter topics proved that it was not the end of the world. I commend Hinata for her actions because that is what her role is, to act as an encourager for the protagonist when he requires it most, even though I resented her sudden placement next to Naruto. Beyond that though, her existence is not that important to me. She is not a heroine in any greater capacity than Ino appears to be in this fight.
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Sakura is just a fangirl who is sucky as a heroine because she didn't pop Naruto's shoulder back in or gave these speeches to him about self-confidence. Let's hold all the fangirling against Sakura in part 1 even though she is completely different in part 2. I admit defeat Atheck. Hinata is a better heroine and she has a better heart. I give up. You win.
You mistake my intentions. I only wish to acknowledge what limited amount of contribution that Hinata has provided, that is it. Nothing else about her concerns me aside from her role in the pairing wars. Alternatively, Sakura has exceeded the boundaries of her childish infatuation to such a great extent. I do believe that there is so much more that Kishi could have done and I will admit that there are qualities about Sakura that I am not exactly captivated by but she remains as my second favourite character in the manga.
If anything I'm more concerned about Ino and Karin's "love" for Sasuke as they have little reason to have so much concern for him.
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"When one person dies… he disappears… Along with his past, current lifestyle, and his future. Many people die in missions and wars. They die easily and in surprisingly simple ways. Hayate was one of them. Those who die have goals and dreams. But everyone has something as important as those. Parents, siblings, friends, lovers… People who are important to you. They trust and help each other. The bond between the people important to you ever since birth… And the string that binds them becomes thicker and stronger as time goes by. It's beyond reason. Those bound to you by that string will do that. Because it's important…Master Jiraiya only had praise for you. He was always boasting about you, saying you were like his own grandchild. He had faith that you were the one who would inherit his will, and truly believed that you would one day be a great Hokage. Master Jiraiya will always watch over you. Even this very minute, he's watching from somewhere. He wouldn't be happy seeing you sad like this. So… Be your usual self, the one he praised so much. Don't stay depressed forever. For Master Jiraiya himself, one of the Legendary Sannin… acknowledged you as his promising student!"
-Iruka
Those are words of wisdom and Iruka does play a role in certain capacities, yes, I was aware of that...somewhat.
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