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[Super Boom]

Well, okayyy. Here's what I always found as odd.
Obviously, as we've seen through the series, Sakura is ashamed of her lingering feelings for Sasuke. She tells herself they don't exist and tries to push them aside. SO why, when the love letter nin proclaims his love, does Sakura immediately say "There's someone else I..."? She's obviously sure she has feelings for this certain person. That is why I think she was definitely talking about Naruto there.

Then we have chapter 540.
Mangareader translated Love Letter Nin's dialogue as "If it's someone that you like, then they're bound to be a great person."
I think that what he said could also be translated to "Anyone you would like is bound to be a great person." It doesn't really matter which one you prefer, my theory could work for both.
I think Sakura was reflecting on her past love and lingering feelings (I use this lightly because I am very sure she will get over him VERY soon if she hasn't already) for Sasuke and how he wasn't and isn't a great person.
Wellll that's how I see it anywayy lol

I like this explanation. At the very least, it's obvious the panel was a reflective scene. She's contemplating her lingering/former feelings for Sasuke, and they don't look very positive. Though, like Miss Soupy, I have a tough time accepting that she was talking about Naruto in 539. I think it's more so that her crush on Sasuke was/is so ingrained in her mind, she just sort of blurts it out without thinking. Maybe she was talking about Naruto, but I'd feel more confident if I saw more blatant evidence of that, at least in that particular scene.
But again, I'm not sure, since I admit I'm not that good at reading into these things. The only thing I am sure about is that the feelings Sakura has/had for Sasuke aren't being portrayed in a very positive manner. Throughout Part II the Sasuke/Sakura pairing has received nothing but negative development, in my opinion. And that reflective moment wasn't any different.

In any case, I hope this whole thing gets brought up again. I feel like that love-letter nin was thrown into the mix for a reason, other than just to remind his readers about previously established feelings. The context of the scene makes me think it's paving the way for Sakura to finally resolve that part of her character, now that she's seen first-hand what Sasuke's become, and knows how Naruto feels about her.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 24 August 2011 - 01:18 AM.

[Fliss]

I like this explanation. At the very least, it's obvious the panel was a reflective scene. She's contemplating her lingering/former feelings for Sasuke, and they don't look very positive. Though, like Miss Soupy, I have a tough time accepting that she was talking about Naruto in 539. I think it's more so that her crush on Sasuke was/is so ingrained in her mind, she just sort of blurts it out without thinking. Maybe she was talking about Naruto, but I'd feel more confident if I saw more blatant evidence of that, at least in that particular scene.
But again, I'm not sure, since I admit I'm not that good at reading into these things. The only thing I am sure about is that the feelings Sakura has/had for Sasuke aren't being portrayed in a very positive manner. Throughout Part II the Sasuke/Sakura pairing has received nothing but negative development, in my opinion. And that reflective moment wasn't any different.

In any case, I hope this whole thing gets brought up again. I feel like that love-letter nin was thrown into the mix for a reason, other than just to remind his readers about previously established feelings. The context of the scene makes me think it's paving the way for Sakura to finally resolve that part of her character, now that she's seen first-hand what Sasuke's become, and knows how Naruto feels about her.

I definitely understand your opinion. In fact, the more I think about it, it really is a possibility she could have just blurted it out because the feelings for him ARE there. So you may be right. I guess I was just being hopeful hahah

And as a part time SasuSaku fan, I understand why some/most of the SS fandom think that NaruSaku has like, no hope now. That Sakura's feelings are there forever and she can never let Naruto into her heart or vice versa because of them. And when that chapter first came out I have to admit I was starting to lean that way. But like you, I started to think there's a big reason why that Lover Nin situation occurred, and there's definitely a reason for that infamous panel where she thinks about him.

Yeahhh, I absolutely believe that Sakura will finally be able to let him go soon. When and why, Idkkk. But hopefully soon.

[Darth Krypt]

Yeahhh, I absolutely believe that Sakura will finally be able to let him go soon. When and why, Idkkk. But hopefully soon.

The question is not why or when, but how. It is confirmed that Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke and has not yet moved on from it. I think that is the purpose of Sakura's confession to Naruto in chapter 469. And after a few dozen chapters which can be treated as a break from the romantic sub-plot of Naruto, the medic-nin is introduced and once again Sakura still thinks about Sasuke. This serves as a reminder to readers that Sakura has feelings for that jerk. To me, I don't think Sakura is in love with Naruto....yet. So after this 2 major events in Sakura's romantic life, I would like to see how it will be settled once and for all, which I'm sure will happen, on how Sakura will be shown to be completely moved on from Sasuke and slowly develop feelings for Naruto. I think the NS developments so far is still not enough for an end product. The series is still going to last a long time so I'll be waiting for this to happen.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 24 August 2011 - 01:43 AM.

[rikakim94]

Somethings telling me that the reason why sasusaku and naruhina had a fanservice on that chapter was because kishi needed something to keep the viewers interested and too keep reading . As for narusaku he might put a big surprize on narusaku considering that he didnt let narusaku have the same fanservice moment as sasusaku and naruhina...

[Anguyen92]

^^ Oh that's sort of rubbish, though true. Though, Kishi would want to find means to keep the viewers interested into the story and keep the whole pairings debate going. If it helps him make money, then it helps him, because at the end of the day, he wants to make good money on his creativity in storytelling and artwork. But hopefully, he's already got an end pairing all figured out, since the start of Shippuden, and no one is going to influence him to change his mind.

[Paptala]

To be honest, at this point I am really tired of third parties.

Why can't Naruto and Sakura talk to one another like normal human beings rather than all these indirect comments? It seems the main issue between them is dishonesty. Naruto wont tell her everything and she wont tell him everything. That's not a way to start a relationship. They need to get over this 'protect him/her in secret!' issue, and just talk to one another about what is going on in their lives.

This, so much this. It has been emphasized since part one even that Naruto and Sakura are not being truthful with one another. It's in an attempt to protect the other, but it's still hurting their relationship all the same. At the very least, it's causing it to be stagnant.

I fully agree that more than anything, Naruto and Sakura need to talk directly to one another and sort things out between them and them alone their feelings and issues with one another. With all of the instances that Kishi has shown highlighting this issue with Naruto and Sakura, one would hope that he would give it a satisfactory resolution.

[Anguyen92]

This, so much this. It has been emphasized since part one even that Naruto and Sakura are not being truthful with one another. It's in an attempt to protect the other, but it's still hurting their relationship all the same. At the very least, it's causing it to be stagnant.

I fully agree that more than anything, Naruto and Sakura need to talk directly to one another and sort things out between them and them alone their feelings and issues with one another. With all of the instances that Kishi has shown highlighting this issue with Naruto and Sakura, one would hope that he would give it a satisfactory resolution.

I, sure, hope so man. Because if the series ends without said satisfactory resolution, then that's just poor storytelling, imo. Though, maybe I just hate things being left out like this between the two of them and yes, if that happens, probably beforehand Naruto would probably confront Hinata on her confession and let her down gently, though that may not happen before nearing the end of the story, to "give" naruhina fans a glimer of hope before the inevitable.

Well, while we're on the subject of naruhina and probably need a topic, might as well ask this, since this is a debate thread. Does the naruhina fans see how does this pairing benefit Naruto at all? And if so, what reasonings do they have on that matter?

[ramenanmitsu]

Well, while we're on the subject of naruhina and probably need a topic, might as well ask this, since this is a debate thread. Does the naruhina fans see how does this pairing benefit Naruto at all? And if so, what reasonings do they have on that matter?

Do they even give a damn about Naruto?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen a NH fan who loves Naruto as much as they love Hinata.

[catsi563]

the vast majority believe the relationship with Hinata is the reward in and of itself. he gets soemone whos """always supported and loved him""" , and gets some one who wont abuse him and treat him badly.

there really isnt an upside to the pairing. hed overrun her physically, emotionally, and lin terms of legend. hes quite simply outshine her and render her a background character who jsut happens to date him.

[Codus N]

Except that this argument would also backfire on you seeing as Sakura has yet to show that she won't be outshined by Naruto.

[ramenanmitsu]

I don't know if "outshine" may be the correct term, but Sakura can keep her own towards Naruto unlike Hinata. She won't blindly listen to him, and when he does something wrong or stupid she can talk against it.

This is something Naruhina and Sasusasku doesn't have. Hinata can't keep her own towards Naruto. Neither can Sakura towards Sasuke.

[catsi563]

She wont. As of this moment in the manga she has established that shes one of the best medic ninja in the world. Has surpassed or is well on her way to surpassing her mentor Tsunade. Will more then likely be the head of the hospital and head medic. Has taken down an Akatsuki member. And is well established as having the best chakra control in the manga or at the very least among the best in chakra control.

Put it simply Sakura has laid the foundation in the story to make her own legend in the Naruto story world and it is one that wont be outshone by anyone not even Sasuke or Naruto for that Matter. I dont see Naruto learning healing jutsu anytime soon.

[Codus N]

*bzzzt* sorry, catsi that arguement is a little weak at the moment.

-shes one of the best medic ninja in the world.
Unless I see other villages' medic-nins acknowledging her skills, I'm not buying it just yet.

-Has surpassed or is well on her way to surpassing her mentor Tsunade.
Again, same as above. I need to see more recognitions from the other foreign villages.

-Will more then likely be the head of the hospital and head medic.
Hard to say, but as Tsunade's apprentice, she seems to be guaranteed for the spot.

-Has taken down an Akatsuki member
Not really. It was Chiyo who dealt the last blow. Although her battle may be exaggerated among the alliance. And we all know how legends are sometimes exaggerated. Such as the Sannin's battle with Hanzou.

-having the best chakra control in the manga or at the very least among the best in chakra control.
Again, for the third time, needs more recognition.

The war is really the Konoha 11's time to shine and make a name for themselves. For now, Team 10 has made a name for themselves for defeating Kinkaku & Kakuzu. Moreover, that scene with Chouji's wings seems to guarantee him a moniker.

Now my point is that before we can use those claims accordingly, we need to see Sakura prove herself to the whole world. So far, only Suna has commended her skills.

[Paptala]

Except that this argument would also backfire on you seeing as Sakura has yet to show that she won't be outshined by Naruto.

I think it is in regards to personality that Hinata will be "outshined"; Naruto's personality would completely dominate Hinata's, though unintentionally. She has not shown the ability to calm him down from anger, as Sakura has (specifically, the time in Orochimaru's layer were he was about to get into a fight with Sai, Sakura simply said his name firmly, and he backed off). We have never seen anything of the like from Hinata (unless you want to argue her confession as one, where she completely ignored his orders for her to leave, but that has weaknesses - Hinata's not getting Naruto to do something, and it is also a life or death situation).

Sakura has shown personality wise that she is equal with Naruto, and that she can keep up with him.

Edited by Paptala, 24 August 2011 - 11:19 AM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

*bzzzt* sorry, catsi that arguement is a little weak at the moment.

-shes one of the best medic ninja in the world.
Unless I see other villages' medic-nins acknowledging her skills, I'm not buying it just yet.

-Has surpassed or is well on her way to surpassing her mentor Tsunade.
Again, same as above. I need to see more recognitions from the other foreign villages.

-Will more then likely be the head of the hospital and head medic.
Hard to say, but as Tsunade's apprentice, she seems to be guaranteed for the spot.

-Has taken down an Akatsuki member
Not really. It was Chiyo who dealt the last blow. Although her battle may be exaggerated among the alliance. And we all know how legends are sometimes exaggerated. Such as the Sannin's battle with Hanzou.

-having the best chakra control in the manga or at the very least among the best in chakra control.
Again, for the third time, needs more recognition.

The war is really the Konoha 11's time to shine and make a name for themselves. For now, Team 10 has made a name for themselves for defeating Kinkaku & Kakuzu. Moreover, that scene with Chouji's wings seems to guarantee him a moniker.

Now my point is that before we can use those claims accordingly, we need to see Sakura prove herself to the whole world. So far, only Suna has commended her skills.

I agree Sakura does need to prove all these things im hopeing sooner than later.

[Super Boom]

Except that this argument would also backfire on you seeing as Sakura has yet to show that she won't be outshined by Naruto.

Depends on how define 'outshined'. Seeing as how Naruto's destined to save the world and become Hokage, it's pretty gonna be pretty hard for Sakura to top that. To be honest, I doubt any possible Naruto pairing will have the female not being 'outshined' by him.

However, like Paptala said, I think that in terms of personality Sakura is more than capable of keeping Naruto in line. At the very least, she certaintly won't be dominated by his personality, like Hinata would be. To be honest, one of the things that bothers me about the Sasu/Saku and Naru/Hina pairings is the way the women seem almost 'subservient' to the men. There've been very few occasions where Sakura has stood up to Sasuke, and only one occasion where Hinata has gone against Naruto's wishes. Based on most of the female characters I've seen in Naruto, in seems like Kishi prefers outgoing women. So it strikes me as odd that he'd put Naruto with a character with a very submissive personality, and he'd throw his main heroine into a relationship in which she would probably never be herself. I mean, could you imagine Sakura punching Sasuke through a wall if he ever did anything stupid? So at the very least, it seems to me like Naru/Saku makes the most sense relative to the other relationships and character personalities we've seen.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 24 August 2011 - 03:00 PM.

[Anguyen92]

There've been very few occasions where Sakura has stood up to Sasuke, and only one occasion where Hinata has gone against Naruto's wishes. Based on most of the female characters I've seen in Naruto, in seems like Kishi prefers outgoing women. So it strikes me as odd that he'd put Naruto with a character with a very submissive personality, and he'd throw his main heroine into a relationship in which she would probably never be herself. I mean, could you imagine Sakura punching Sasuke through a wall if he ever did anything stupid? So at the very least, it seems to me like Naru/Saku makes the most sense relative to the other relationships and character personalities we've seen.

Well, if she did punch Sasuke through a wall when he does something stupid that would pretty much make my day. Anywho, I pretty much agree with all of this.

It shows how compatible narusaku are with each other. My concern is that how come the opposition does not see it like that, except those that don't bash Sakura and just prefer naruhina just for the fun of it?

Edited by Anguyen92, 24 August 2011 - 03:21 PM.

[RedDelicious]

*bzzzt* sorry, catsi that arguement is a little weak at the moment.
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Unless I see other villages' medic-nins acknowledging her skills, I'm not buying it just yet.
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Hmm... Trying to say this in the right and polite way...

Codus, I think "*bzzzt* sorry" applies to your argument as well. All of the points you make are purely about reputation. ("And we all know how legends are sometimes exaggerated.") By that argument, Naruto is not a strong ninja, because only Suna (outside of Leaf) has commended his skills. We pretty much haven't seen anything the other villages say about Naruto. To the other villages, he is only known as a jinchuuriki.
(The Raikage has changed his mind since facing the "orange flash", but that only happened very recently.)

When the Leaf villagers thought that Zabuza and Haku were defeated due to Kakashi and Sasuke, did that take away from what we (the readers) know Naruto did?

Have we seen medic-nins talk about *anything*?
The closest is when Chiyo stated that the only one who could cure Kankuro (ch 253) would be Tsunade. Then we see Sakura extract the poison and create an antidote.
So you (Codus) are right that it would be useful to see more than just this incident, but it is still a pretty convincing argument in the manga.

However, like Paptala said, I think that in terms of personality Sakura is more than capable of keeping Naruto in line. At the very least, she certaintly won't be dominated by his personality, like Hinata would be.

ch 250 page 17
(Is this the only appearance of "inner Sakura" after the time skip?)

Edited by RedDelicious, 24 August 2011 - 03:34 PM.

[Codus N]

That's about right, you just basically repeated what I said. Naruto and Sakura's reputation so far only reached Suna. Naruto has also impressed the Raikage and Bee, so he's already on his way to impress Kumo. Sakura, she still hasn't done much to impress the world. I'd like to see something like the Alliance's medic-nins gaping in awe at Sakura's skills.

As for what Paptala said, I understand. It makes more sense when you put it that way.

Edited by Codus N, 24 August 2011 - 04:29 PM.

[RedDelicious]

That's about right, you just basically repeated what I said.

Then you missed my point. When catsi is claiming that Sakura is "one of the best medic ninja in the world", Sakura's reputation in other villages has very little to do with whether that is true or not.

If you said you wanted Sakura to *demonstrate* her skills more (to the reader), that would be one thing. But your points were entirely about how much ninja gossip she got.