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Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:33 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 6 2012, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also feel like this is the Sakura arc that Kishi 'forgot' to put in the manga, but then again the manga isn't over. I also believe why he never really got time to do it in the manga (thus far) was because of his editor(s), but not due to them being Hinata fan boys. I feel like his editor(s) just strongly pushed him to have more focus on Naruto and Sasuke (and possibly other more popular characters, like Gaara), thus he put most his effort on developing Naruto (and, to lesser extent, Sasuke). He probably really did forgot to include a Sakura arc, and probably felt bad about it and decide to add certain elements he had planned to put in that arc into the movie.

This is all speculation, as I do not know how editors for manga work. But I do understand the basic thing of what AMERICAN comics editors do, and what I've read about author's experiences with editorial decisions, they really do hinder with their works. But at the same time, I've also heard that MANGA editors work more closely with the author, and USUALLY the decisions of what should go into the mangas is up to both the author and his editor(s). So, basically, editors for American comics acts more like an authors boss and tells what to write about, while editors for manga acts more like a partner to the author.

But I've also read interviews of comic writers who enjoy working with certain editors, and the more well known you are, the more you can get away with things. Though I don't know about manga, I'm sure there're mangakas(?) who have had frustrating times with editorial decisions. It also depends what kind of comic or manga, as the comics written for DC and Marvel suffer from a lot more editorial constraints than independent comics companies. I'm sure it similar to mangas, I believe it depends on the publishing company and the popularity of the manga. But, then again, I know little about manga.


Actually, I've read Bakuman before and that's pretty much how editors work in Jump. Some editors tend to put the strong arm on the authors i.e. the way American Comic editors work, but some don't. Kishi has changed editors over time, but it seems the general consensus among his editors is that they don't want Sakura to take the spotlight. Period.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:46 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 6 2012, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let me recheck. I am still waiting for the answer on Naruto carrying Sakura.


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Does Itachi actually save Sakura and hold her hand?

Itachi was holding her hand because Sakura wanted to fight. So Itachi grabbed her by the hand and jumped when Sasori picked them both up with his gigantor clay dragon.

Edit 2: Found it!

@Shadow

I remember seeing Itachi and Akatsuki protecting Sakura in the opening. That said what happened to them afterward?

nothing happened. Sakura broke away from itachi to fight tobi.


you posted this pages back.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:48 AM

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ Aug 6 2012, 03:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you posted this pages back.

Well, that only explains what was Itachi doing. Still, I do believe it was answered. Just give me a few more minutes.

But thank you for finding the escaping from Itachi part. Sakura is so cool. Why oh why do we have to wait! Again, I would love to see Hinata do these stuff.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:09 AM

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It's like I said earlier, it's possible that it's both. Naruto will hold her first, then pass it to Itachi in which Naruto tells him to protect Sakura while he's off to fight Menma. This is the most likely scenario and we already got the hints that Naruto tells him to protect Sakura for him.

As for Sakura, I truly believe Kishi made her to be the realistic character development out of the main character and I really like it. It's a risk to make her look bad in part 1, but I do feel like it's a payoff when you patiently. That said manga is not over yet and she still undergoing character development, including thinking about her feelings. Hats to you, Kishi.

Btw, I like your sig quote, RomanceGirl.


It's possible both happened. I wouldn't mind(I'm somewhat of a ItaSaku shipper biggrin.gif . He's a lot nicer than Sasuke laugh.gif ). But either way, I really want to have a answer on who carried her. Insignifigant I know but my shipper's heart wants to know tongue.gif.

Yes this movie undoubtably was meant to reinforce Sakura's character development. Kishimoto did express annoyance at Sakura's haters once before didn't he? This is probably his way to maybe increase her popularity by dsplaying her as a true heroine(Which judging from the reviews, he achieved in spades a_thumbs.gif). Yep. The man's a genuis happy.gif.

Thank you! It's adorable insn't it wub.gif. I considered doing his whole speech but at the moment I'm too lazy to look at 235 filler episode laugh.gif.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:19 AM

Well, according to Shadow, Itachi didn't hold her bride-style, rather than just grabbing her hand. Who knows. All I want to know is Naruto carrying Sakura. It will be awesome if that's true. Kishi is really pushing this pairing more than I thought.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:21 AM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Aug 6 2012, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, I've read Bakuman before and that's pretty much how editors work in Jump. Some editors tend to put the strong arm on the authors i.e. the way American Comic editors work, but some don't. Kishi has changed editors over time, but it seems the general consensus among his editors is that they don't want Sakura to take the spotlight. Period.


Hmmmmmmm......I don't think they don't want Sakura to take the spotlight, I just think they just rather have the spotlight on more popular characters (like Naruto or Sasuke (who is still surprisingly still popular according to the latest polls)). While I'm sure Sakura is still popular in Japan (she was still in the top twelve in the latest polls, and is usually higher up), I believe she is also a controversial character. Out of all the main characters, she is the one that is the most emotionally conflicted and inconsistent. Naruto always wanted to be Hokage, and that has not change, but he's reasons for it has. Sasuke was always focused on revenge, and that has not change, but his anger grew (and it has now been reflected onto something different). Sakura didn't have that consistency, she started off as shallow girl, who only wanted the attention of one guy. Now she is much more caring person, who now wants to grow stronger to help protect her friends and village. To me, that's GREAT development, but to others they see it as confusing and still focus of what she was, rather what she is now.

Naruto and Sasuke, while having A LOT of development between them, are still KIND OF basically the same as they started. Naruto still doesn't give up, he is still kind of dumb, and is still stubborn. Sasuke is still focus on revenge, is still an intelligent ninja, and is still a deuce. Not only that, Sakura will do........questionable things. Her actions in the summit arc, particularly her confession, have often been criticized as they were, quite frankly, morally questionable. Was it the right thing to do for her to confess to Naruto, despite the situations that led her to confess, and the possibility that she was lying? Was it the right thing to do when she decided to knock out everyone else, so that she can face Sasuke alone, despite the fact they wanted to help? Was it the right thing to do for her to try to kill Sasuke herself, so that no one (specifically Naruto) will have to, even though it meant she was giving up a friend and was going to be hated by an other?

To me, that creates a complex character, with an interesting and complicated perspective of how to handle things. To others, it meant she was being a b*tch. Though I never thought what Sakura did was the right thing to do, I will defend her actions in that arc because 1) she was in a tough situation 2) I don't think she was being selfish, nor do I think it was the authors intent for her be view negatively, and 3) it made her a lot more interesting. I would rather see more of Sakura, than Sasuke, but I'm not the majority of the fans. The editors believe, or rather think, that most fans would want more Sasuke, or other more popular characters, so they push him to give more spotlight on those characters. It's not that they don't like Sakura (they may not her, but I like to think they will act more professional and not add in their own personal wants), or that she isn't popular. It just that editors just don't think fans would want to see more of her, because of her controversial methods, or they believe fans would rather see more of other characters.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:53 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 6 2012, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmmmmmm......I don't think they don't want Sakura to take the spotlight, I just think they just rather have the spotlight on more popular characters (like Naruto or Sasuke (who is still surprisingly still popular according to the latest polls)). While I'm sure Sakura is still popular in Japan (she was still in the top twelve in the latest polls, and is usually higher up), I believe she is also a controversial character. Out of all the main characters, she is the one that is the most emotionally conflicted and inconsistent. Naruto always wanted to be Hokage, and that has not change, but he's reasons for it has. Sasuke was always focused on revenge, and that has not change, but his anger grew (and it has now been reflected onto something different). Sakura didn't have that consistency, she started off as shallow girl, who only wanted the attention of one guy. Now she is much more caring person, who now wants to grow stronger to help protect her friends and village. To me, that's GREAT development, but to others they see it as confusing and still focus of what she was, rather what she is now.

Naruto and Sasuke, while having A LOT of development between them, are still KIND OF basically the same as they started. Naruto still doesn't give up, he is still kind of dumb, and is still stubborn. Sasuke is still focus on revenge, is still an intelligent ninja, and is still a deuce. Not only that, Sakura will do........questionable things. Her actions in the summit arc, particularly her confession, have often been criticized as they were, quite frankly, morally questionable. Was it the right thing to do for her to confess to Naruto, despite the situations that led her to confess, and the possibility that she was lying? Was it the right thing to do when she decided to knock out everyone else, so that she can face Sasuke alone, despite the fact they wanted to help? Was it the right thing to do for her to try to kill Sasuke herself, so that no one (specifically Naruto) will have to, even though it meant she was giving up a friend and was going to be hated by an other?

To me, that creates a complex character, with an interesting and complicated perspective of how to handle things. To others, it meant she was being a b*tch. Though I never thought what Sakura did was the right thing to do, I will defend her actions in that arc because 1) she was in a tough situation 2) I don't think she was being selfish, nor do I think it was the authors intent for her be view negatively, and 3) it made her a lot more interesting. I would rather see more of Sakura, than Sasuke, but I'm not the majority of the fans. The editors believe, or rather think, that most fans would want more Sasuke, or other more popular characters, so they push him to give more spotlight on those characters. It's not that they don't like Sakura (they may not her, but I like to think they will act more professional and not add in their own personal wants), or that she isn't popular. It just that editors just don't think fans would want to see more of her, because of her controversial methods, or they believe fans would rather see more of other characters.


QFT. And to be honest, while I understand their thinking, it's extremely disappointing to see that Kishi's editors doesn't have enough trust in him to make a Sakura a better character, as seen in this movie, because you can clearly see that Kishi had every intention of redeeming and improving her character. Hopefully, they'll let him do what he wants with Sakura from now on as he's entering the last stretch of the manga.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:15 AM

Sakura's confession is still pretty hazy to me and surprisingly very complicated. It was a really confusing time. I think Sakura made a mistake in doing what she did, but can anyone honestly blame her? She just realized how much pain she had caused one of her best friends who's in love with her and found out that the village gave permission to kill Sasuke. She had to double task with all of that information in the short time she had. It was a desperate situation and she would try whatever she could to fix things. It completely backfired but her heart was in the right place. I've seen fans call Sakura's confession 'conceited'. It wasn't even that IMO. She was just very desperate and had to short-term plan everything.


I think everyone's quick to hate and blame Sakura because of her complex character. She's overall confusing honestly tongue.gif so people can easily skew and misunderstand her good intentions. Sakura's confession is, literally, one of the most controversial things in the manga. It very hard to grasp exactly what was happening. Who was right, who was wrong. Some say it isn't up to interpretation but it obviously is if people are still discussing it to this day.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:21 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 6 2012, 04:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sure, nothing would make me happier if she chooses me someday. But it's okay. As long as Sakura is happy, that's what counts.

When you hear Naruto say stuff like that, it makes you wonder how come some don't want him to get the girl he's always loved the most?

Naruto's feelings are the most selfless, powerful, and heartwarming out of all. It perplexes me how some people want to put Sakura's feelings for Sasuke (which make her feel pain and bring her emotions down) or Hinata's feelings for Naruto (which are based on admiration and only serve to improve her own confidence) above Naruto's love for Sakura.

You never see Sakura just wanting for Sasuke to be happy or Hinata doing the same with Naruto. That's because they prioritize how those feelings affect them instead of focusing on the happiness of the one they like. Sakura begged Sasuke not to leave Konoha and confessed to him because his departure would make her feel sad, and Hinata jumped to fight Pain and confessed to Naruto because she wanted to improve herself by defending what she believed. They both took action because of how the situation was affecting them, not because of how it affected the boys.

I'm not saying that the girls feelings are bad or wrong, not at all. I'm just explaining the key differences between them and Naruto. Naruto never focuses on how his feelings affect him, not even for a second. It's always about how Sakura can be happy, because to him that's all that counts.

And that's the reason why I always considered Naruto's love for Sakura to be above the others.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Aug 6 2012, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura's confession is still pretty hazy to me and surprisingly very complicated. It was a really confusing time. I think Sakura made a mistake in doing what she did, but can anyone honestly blame her? She just realized how much pain she had caused one of her best friends who's in love with her and found out that the village gave permission to kill Sasuke. She had to double task with all of that information in the short time she had. It was a desperate situation and she would try whatever she could to fix things. It completely backfired but her heart was in the right place. I've seen fans call Sakura's confession 'conceited'. It wasn't even that IMO. She was just very desperate and had to short-term plan everything.


I think everyone's quick to hate and blame Sakura because of her complex character. She's overall confusing honestly tongue.gif so people can easily skew and misunderstand her good intentions. Sakura's confession is, literally, one of the most controversial things in the manga. It very hard to grasp exactly what was happening. Who was right, who was wrong. Some say it isn't up to interpretation but it obviously is if people are still discussing it to this day.


I feel that for some people, after part one, Sakura must not make one mistake if they are going to like her. I think it's much easier to start hating someone you hated previously but changed your mind about.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:45 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 6 2012, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also feel like this is the Sakura arc that Kishi 'forgot' to put in the manga, but then again the manga isn't over. I also believe why he never really got time to do it in the manga (thus far) was because of his editor(s), but not due to them being Hinata fan boys. I feel like his editor(s) just strongly pushed him to have more focus on Naruto and Sasuke (and possibly other more popular characters, like Gaara), thus he put most his effort on developing Naruto (and, to lesser extent, Sasuke). He probably really did forgot to include a Sakura arc, and probably felt bad about it and decide to add certain elements he had planned to put in that arc into the movie.

This is all speculation, as I do not know how editors for manga work. But I do understand the basic thing of what AMERICAN comics editors do, and what I've read about author's experiences with editorial decisions, they really do hinder with their works. But at the same time, I've also heard that MANGA editors work more closely with the author, and USUALLY the decisions of what should go into the mangas is up to both the author and his editor(s). So, basically, editors for American comics acts more like an authors boss and tells what to write about, while editors for manga acts more like a partner to the author.

But I've also read interviews of comic writers who enjoy working with certain editors, and the more well known you are, the more you can get away with things. Though I don't know about manga, I'm sure there're mangakas(?) who have had frustrating times with editorial decisions. It also depends what kind of comic or manga, as the comics written for DC and Marvel suffer from a lot more editorial constraints than independent comics companies. I'm sure it similar to mangas, I believe it depends on the publishing company and the popularity of the manga. But, then again, I know little about manga.


I remember Kishimoto mentioned in an interview that his editor made him write backstories for team Taka, even though he didn't want to. As for how manga WSJ editors work, perhaps Bakuman can provide some insight?

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Aug 6 2012, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay so one of the fanarts showed Itachi holding Sakura bridal-style and another with Naruto doing it. I'm confused. Which one happened and which one didn't? unsure.gif


It seems Itachi saves Sakura, and then Deidara saves both of them. Naruto carried Sakura bridal-style in the manga. smile.gif


Edited by Nefertieh, 06 August 2012 - 10:09 AM.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:47 AM

QUOTE (Nefertieh @ Aug 6 2012, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember Kishimoto mentioned in an interview that his editor made him write backstories for team Taka, even though he didn't want to. As for how manga WSJ editors work, perhaps Bakuman can provide some insight?


they told him to develop them because kishi wanted to dispose them, the same thing happened on konoha's destruction, they should not be ressurrected because it was a lesson for naruto to forgive, but he had to ressurrect everyone.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:48 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Aug 6 2012, 05:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When you hear Naruto say stuff like that, it makes you wonder how come some don't want him to get the girl he's always loved the most?

Naruto's feelings are the most selfless, powerful, and heartwarming out of all. It perplexes me how some people want to put Sakura's feelings for Sasuke (which make her feel pain and bring her emotions down) or Hinata's feelings for Naruto (which are based on admiration and only serve to improve her own confidence) above Naruto's love for Sakura.

You never see Sakura just wanting for Sasuke to be happy or Hinata doing the same with Naruto. That's because they prioritize how those feelings affect them instead of focusing on the happiness of the one they like. Sakura begged Sasuke not to leave Konoha and confessed to him because his departure would make her feel sad, and Hinata jumped to fight Pain and confessed to Naruto because she wanted to improve herself by defending what she believed. They both took action because of how the situation was affecting them, not because of how it affected the boys.

I'm not saying that the girls feelings are bad or wrong, not at all. I'm just explaining the key differences between them and Naruto. Naruto never focuses on how his feelings affect him, not even for a second. It's always about how Sakura can be happy, because to him that's all that counts.

And that's the reason why I always considered Naruto's love for Sakura to be above the others.


Because they like Hinata better, maybe, so her feelings matter more to them. Or maybe because their hate for Sakura overcomes their want to see Naruto get everything he wants.

Also, I'm pretty sure Hinata jumped in to fight Pain because she couldn't stand seeing Naruto being defeated and she was desperate to help him, not because she wanted to improve herself. Although, I still consider Naruto's love for Sakura to be above Hinata's love for Naruto.

"Sure, nothing would make me happier if she chooses me someday. But it's okay. As long as Sakura is happy, that's what counts."
- I know at least one NH fan who feels that that quote and episode does not reflect Naruto's feelings at all, and that the animators were simply throwing a bone to NS fans. All I had to say is that was one **** big bone, lol.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:03 AM

QUOTE (Traci @ Aug 6 2012, 06:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because they like Hinata better, maybe, so her feelings matter more to them. Or maybe because their hate for Sakura overcomes their want to see Naruto get everything he wants.

Also, I'm pretty sure Hinata jumped in to fight Pain because she couldn't stand seeing Naruto being defeated and she was desperate to help him, not because she wanted to improve herself. Although, I still consider Naruto's love for Sakura to be above Hinata's love for Naruto.

"Sure, nothing would make me happier if she chooses me someday. But it's okay. As long as Sakura is happy, that's what counts."
- I know at least one NH fan who feels that that quote and episode does not reflect Naruto's feelings at all, and that the animators were simply throwing a bone to NS fans. All I had to say is that was one **** big bone, lol.


I'm still shocked that the animators dedicated a filler episode to Naruto's love for Sakura and he blatantly admits he loves her. Did they not realize what a huge risk they were doing when creating that episode? It's like Kishimoto suddenly told them the end pairing will be NaruSaku and now they're creating all this fanservice in the Rock Lee show as well as the regular anime.

I still believe Naruto's is the most genuine and selfless out of Hinata's feelings for him and Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Not only do they make the most sense, but it's never about how he feels. Ever. Some still believe Naruto's feelings are a crush because he never admitted to Sakura that he loved her but Hinata and Sakura did. I don't understand that.

Some also believe that even though Naruto loves Sakura, he'll never want to ruin their friendship even if Sakura revealed she has feelings for her. Does that sound Naruto-like at all? headscratch.gif

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:08 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Aug 6 2012, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm still shocked that the animators dedicated a filler episode to Naruto's love for Sakura and he blatantly admits he loves her. Did they not realize what a huge risk they were doing when creating that episode? It's like Kishimoto suddenly told them the end pairing will be NaruSaku and now they're creating all this fanservice in the Rock Lee show as well as the regular anime.


It looks like they were inspired by the Summit Arc. But the quote also makes it sound like he's willing to give up on her, with the whole "as long as she's happy" part. >_>

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 6 2012, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmmmmmm......I don't think they don't want Sakura to take the spotlight, I just think they just rather have the spotlight on more popular characters (like Naruto or Sasuke (who is still surprisingly still popular according to the latest polls)). While I'm sure Sakura is still popular in Japan (she was still in the top twelve in the latest polls, and is usually higher up), I believe she is also a controversial character. Out of all the main characters, she is the one that is the most emotionally conflicted and inconsistent. Naruto always wanted to be Hokage, and that has not change, but he's reasons for it has. Sasuke was always focused on revenge, and that has not change, but his anger grew (and it has now been reflected onto something different). Sakura didn't have that consistency, she started off as shallow girl, who only wanted the attention of one guy. Now she is much more caring person, who now wants to grow stronger to help protect her friends and village. To me, that's GREAT development, but to others they see it as confusing and still focus of what she was, rather what she is now.


I think the problem is that her initial aspirations are too normal for an anime character, living in a ninja world. And now her current aspirations are the same as the other background characters. I guess if you're an optimist, you could say Kishimoto still has a lot of potential development in store for her.

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 6 2012, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto and Sasuke, while having A LOT of development between them, are still KIND OF basically the same as they started. Naruto still doesn't give up, he is still kind of dumb, and is still stubborn. Sasuke is still focus on revenge, is still an intelligent ninja, and is still a deuce. Not only that, Sakura will do........questionable things. Her actions in the summit arc, particularly her confession, have often been criticized as they were, quite frankly, morally questionable. Was it the right thing to do for her to confess to Naruto, despite the situations that led her to confess, and the possibility that she was lying? Was it the right thing to do when she decided to knock out everyone else, so that she can face Sasuke alone, despite the fact they wanted to help? Was it the right thing to do for her to try to kill Sasuke herself, so that no one (specifically Naruto) will have to, even though it meant she was giving up a friend and was going to be hated by an other?


My interpretation of that arc was basically that Kishimoto ultimately wanted Naruto to look more heroic and Sasuke to look more evil. You can't really get more evil than trying to kill the weaker girl, and you can't be more heroic than being the man that saves her.

It also solidifies Naruto's determination to stop Sasuke. As Kakashi put it at the end of the arc when Naruto is sleeping, Naruto's burden has been lifted.

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 6 2012, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To me, that creates a complex character, with an interesting and complicated perspective of how to handle things. To others, it meant she was being a b*tch. Though I never thought what Sakura did was the right thing to do, I will defend her actions in that arc because 1) she was in a tough situation 2) I don't think she was being selfish, nor do I think it was the authors intent for her be view negatively, and 3) it made her a lot more interesting. I would rather see more of Sakura, than Sasuke, but I'm not the majority of the fans. The editors believe, or rather think, that most fans would want more Sasuke, or other more popular characters, so they push him to give more spotlight on those characters. It's not that they don't like Sakura (they may not her, but I like to think they will act more professional and not add in their own personal wants), or that she isn't popular. It just that editors just don't think fans would want to see more of her, because of her controversial methods, or they believe fans would rather see more of other characters.


Well that arc certainly did add a lot of drama angst into the pairing that we've never seen before. It would if they could talk it over though, it seems like Kishimoto probably made it far more complicated and controversial than he imagined.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:20 AM

QUOTE (Nefertieh @ Aug 6 2012, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well that arc certainly did add a lot of drama angst into the pairing that we've never seen before. It would if they could talk it over though, it seems like Kishimoto probably made it far more complicated and controversial than he imagined.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Aug 6 2012, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm still shocked that the animators dedicated a filler episode to Naruto's love for Sakura and he blatantly admits he loves her. Did they not realize what a huge risk they were doing when creating that episode? It's like Kishimoto suddenly told them the end pairing will be NaruSaku and now they're creating all this fanservice in the Rock Lee show as well as the regular anime.

I still believe Naruto's is the most genuine and selfless out of Hinata's feelings for him and Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Not only do they make the most sense, but it's never about how he feels. Ever. Some still believe Naruto's feelings are a crush because he never admitted to Sakura that he loved her but Hinata and Sakura did. I don't understand that.

Some also believe that even though Naruto loves Sakura, he'll never want to ruin their friendship even if Sakura revealed she has feelings for her. Does that sound Naruto-like at all? headscratch.gif


It's not really that shocking though there was a time I felt the same way too. But studio Pierot are more Hinata fan boys than NH fans they love doing lots of fan service to Hinata but they have never made Naruto go gaga at her or her assets. rolleyes.gif Or made him blush whenever she's around I think there's a large part of the animation studio that supports NS but there are others who likes to exaggerate Sakura's tsundere character or mess with their canon personalities (they are probably the same Hinata fan boys). Although they have done enough damage to western make fans who only watch the anime and disregards the canon manga believing the pairings are definitely NH and SS, this is Pierot's greatest fault for giving such one sided fan services.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Aug 6 2012, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not really that shocking though there was a time I felt the same way too. But studio Pierot are more Hinata fan boys than NH fans they love doing lots of fan service to Hinata but they have never made Naruto go gaga at her or her assets. rolleyes.gif Or made him blush whenever she's around I think there's a large part of the animation studio that supports NS but there are others who likes to exaggerate Sakura's tsundere character or mess with their canon personalities (they are probably the same Hinata fan boys). Although they have done enough damage to western make fans who only watch the anime and disregards the canon manga believe the pairings are definitely NH and SS, this is Pierot's greatest fault for giving such one sided fan services.


I feel like the anime exaggerates the personality traits of other characters, as well. For example, in the anime, I feel like Sakura is more violent, Hinata is more shy, Naruto is more stupid, and Sai is more socially awkward.

In my opinion, people who watch the anime only should believe NS is going to be canon more than manga readers because Pierot likes to push NS a lot as a the canon pairing, since there are plenty of Saku<Naru fan service.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 11:41 AM

QUOTE (Traci @ Aug 6 2012, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I feel like the anime exaggerates the personality traits of other characters, as well. For example, in the anime, I feel like Sakura is more violent, Hinata is more shy, Naruto is more stupid, and Sai is more socially awkward.

In my opinion, people who watch the anime only should believe NS is going to be canon more than manga readers because Pierot likes to push NS a lot as a the canon pairing, since there are plenty of Saku<Naru fan service.


This is exactly what I mean when Pierot exaggerates too much messing with their canon personalities. Sakura in the manga isn't that tsunderish and Hinata isn't that much shy, they also make Naruto more stupid than he usually is etc etc.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:35 PM

why u guys are discussing this on the road to ninja thread i really wanted to see the translations but instead you guys went off-topic and flooding the thread
Mods plz move the posts to the H&E heaven and earth debate thread.
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