No offense... And I'm sorry if this is NOT what you're implying, but I feel like what you are implying is kind of ridiculous. I don't see someone being contracted to produce a creative work and one of the elements of the contract being "Do everything we tell you to do with your creative work!" How on earth is some blanket clause like that going to hold up in court if he breaches it? How are they going to establish what it was they told him to do? And the fact that he didn't do it? Unless they negotiated every single aspect with him in painstaking detail?
I am NOT saying that they can't TAKE Kishi's work from him and I never would say that. Because you're right that this has happened many times with other works. But this is not something that I find AT ALL likely in this case because the fact is they needed Kishi's name to be on it. I am not a lawyer... And even if I was, it wouldn't be worth much unless I was a contract lawyer (Though I do know someone who is... He doesn't do the kind of contracts Kishi would be under though)
But for what LITTLE it's worth that sounds quite silly/implausible to me. And I hope I've made it clear that I'm not saying this from a place of naivete.
They could fire him (again if his contract actually permits this) but I do not think it would have been seen as financially smart for them to do so. They could make things uncomfortable for him. And I do think they did this. His editors, though. Not nefarious businessmen.
I'm sorry, but how is it ridiculous when it's the reality of this world. This is how the world works. Movies, books, games, you name it, it's just how it works. You create something, yes, but it does not belong to you. In almost all situations you work for someone else. It's your name on it, yes, but you are not the one who paid to produce it, to advertise it, to put it on a platform so people can have access to it, payed other workers to help you with it, distribute it all around the world and every single thing that comes with it. That's really who has the power, the ones who paid for it. You might say wait a second the consumers are the ones who paid for it, but that's after the fact and even so most of the time consumers have no power. The only thing they can do is not buy the product. But how it was made, the consumers have almost no power whatsoever. It does happen, but it's very rare.
Ever heard of the term movie by committee, or game by committee or any other media? That's what that is. It's a group of people who invested in the project and made all the decisions on how the project turns out because they think it's the safest possible investment for them. They invest a sum of money and they want it back and more.
Anyway neither of us know his contract with Shuiesha, but we do know that he worked for them. He was under their contract, their rules. Yes, sometimes companies, corporations, investment firms (yes those have a lot of power) let the creator/creators some room to do what they want. Like in the case of HBO with the now known as Dumb and Dumber XD with Game of Thrones.
From my understanding HBO was hands off the last season and was willing to give the 2 basically any amount of money to make season 8 however they wished. It ended badly.
Or sometimes it's the exact opposite where the people in charge step in. For example my show that I've talked about and said it destroyed me which it did. The creator of the show who was the showrunner and main writer and only reason that show was even great was fired by Amazon Studios during the production of season 2 because he was spending too much money on it. The creator of the show was kicked out of his own project because someone at Amazon Studios decided that the show was getting to expensive to produce and cut the budget to it. It ended really badly. But the point is even though he was the creator of the show and showrunner and main writer of it, none of that mattered because in the end someone above him fired him. Someone who had more power than he did.
Now what should I do? Blame the creator for the disaster that seasons 3 and 4 were when he had nothing to do with them? How can I knowing that the creator was kicked out of his own creation.
Again this isn't me defending Kishimoto here, I'm not trying to be his apologist. But from what I've seen and knowing how things work I don't see him being the one responsible for it. Did he had a role in it? Yes. Was he the one that made all the decisions? No.
We don't know his contract and here's the thing even if we somehow get a hold of it, it would take great lawyers to understand it because those contracts are made purposely to not be understandable by the common folk and even most lawyers.
I'm sure somewhere there in the contract is some 47 page contract with 5000 terms and conditions that even his lawyers haven't read.
Edited by Nostradamus, 10 March 2020 - 04:05 AM.