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[catsi563]

However, one of the aspects of the Sasu/Karin pairing that's always intrigued me is how she addresses him without an honorific. I felt like her feelings were played in a similar fashion to Part I Ino or Sakura's, and yet she doesn't use the "-kun" suffix. Maybe it means something, maybe it doesn't, but I can't help but think that Karin's relationship with Sasuke was supposed to be played in a different light than with Sasu/Saku and Sasu/Ino

And Boom wins the big cookie.

That also is a very big part of the relationship and why it cant be dismissed so easilly especially since the lack of a suffix was commented on by Kishimoto through Sai, and is used widely by NaruSaku fandom to justify its own relationship.

It also blows the notion of So called Fan girl Karin out of the water with a full spread of torpedoes.

[Greed-Sama]

Wow, to be fair and honest, I really did not see that coming. I mean I kinda expect actors/actress/VA's to get together during/after the show, but I never expect two VA's to be married, interesting stuff there.

Not really too unusual. The VA of Roy Mustang and Lust are married.

[ciardha]

And Boom wins the big cookie.

That also is a very big part of the relationship and why it cant be dismissed so easilly especially since the lack of a suffix was commented on by Kishimoto through Sai, and is used widely by NaruSaku fandom to justify its own relationship.

It also blows the notion of So called Fan girl Karin out of the water with a full spread of torpedoes.

Yeah, I noticed the animators played around with Karin's character nearly as badly as they did with Sakura's. They also altered Sasuke's reactions to make it look much more like how he acted toward Sakura in part 1. Like I said I'm not a SK shipper but I get annoyed when the animators distort Kishimoto's characters personalities.

Karin also did something else with Sasuke that wasn't fangirly. She publicly mocked him when she thought he had done something stupid, and regularly "talked back" at him.

Sakura scolded Sasuke once in part 1. Interestingly. this happens while she was praising Naruto's bravery and scolding Sasuke's cowardice in the Forest of Death. Sakura doesn't consciously realize it at that point, but her feelings are already coming close to shifting overtly toward Naruto. Note how she doesn't disagree at all with Sasuke's statement that she is like Naruto when she confesses to Sasuke. It's not the least bit a negative thing anymore. Ironically, Naruto making the Promise of a Lifetime to Sakura is the final push that makes her romantic shift to Naruto conscious. The words in her thoughts immediately after Naruto says those words are very close to part of the words she says to Naruto when she finally confesses her love in 469-70.

[Gravenimage]

Not really too unusual. The VA of Roy Mustang and Lust are married.

I don't know who is Roy Mustang VA he also does Juugo's english voice, however I do know Lust's VA (Laura Bailey) so she's married well I knew a beautiful woman like her has to be married.

[Super Boom]

LOL, Lust's and Mustang's VA's are married? That's funny, I like Laura Bailey. She voices Marta Lualdi, one of my favorite Tales characters.
Though I guess, with how often I hear some of those voices (I still watch dubs occasionally), you'd think there's only like two or three dozen people working in that industry. Maybe some of them just decide to hook up after seeing each other so much.

Anyways, I didn't mean to go off-topic with that, I just thought that Sasu/Tema was a funny idea, and I noticed that coincidence.

So, what do people think of the Jiraiya/Tsunade pairing? I like it, since it's obviously really similar to Naru/Saku, but I never really understood if Tsunade reciprocated or not. She seemed to care about him, but I wasn't sure if she cared about him the same way as Dan. It doesn't help that her perpetual drunken blushing during their last conversation covered up any real blushing, LOL. Maybe we'll see when/if Tsunade faces off against Dan.*shrug*

Also, it sort of ties in with Jira/Tsu, but I thought this line was interesting.
"But then again, men aren't meant to pursue happiness."
I wonder if that line will apply to Kishi's end pairings, in that it'll be the the female partner(s) who take the initiative. Or if it means that Kishi prefers to have the romantic development revolve around his female characters, rather than his males. Or if it means I'm reading way too into one line, ha ha.

[Greed-Sama]

Would like to recant my statement. Laura Bailey and Travis Willingham are not married they are engaged. Which is good for me. I still have a chance.

[Anguyen92]

So, what do people think of the Jiraiya/Tsunade pairing? I like it, since it's obviously really similar to Naru/Saku, but I never really understood if Tsunade reciprocated or not. She seemed to care about him, but I wasn't sure if she cared about him the same way as Dan. It doesn't help that her perpetual drunken blushing during their last conversation covered up any real blushing, LOL. Maybe we'll see when/if Tsunade faces off against Dan.*shrug*

I loved the Jiraiya/Tsunade pairing as well, for it being similar to narusaku, and that, of course, they are their respectful teachers, and obviously they both had feelings for each other. Obviously, Tsunade was not in a romantic loving mood after Dan died, and having Jiraiya die pretty much destroyed her at the time.

As a result, I hope at one point that Tsunade would give advice to Sakura, saying that, don't let what she has with Naruto go away. I mean Tsunade probably regret on what happened with Jiraiya, so she might tell Sakura to not make the same mistake that Tsunade made and seize the moment with Naruto, which also works well with the new generation not making the same mistakes as the old generation and enriching themselves with it.

Edited by Anguyen92, 21 August 2011 - 11:40 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Would like to recant my statement. Laura Bailey and Travis Willingham are not married they are engaged. Which is good for me. I still have a chance.

Lol good luck trying to get Laura and BoomWinning Laura has done a lot of voices in both video games and anime. In games she also did Serah Farron from FFXIII and XIII-2 also Oichi from Sengoku Basara. In anime Lust from FMA, kid Trunks from Dragonball Z, Shin chan etc.

[Miss Soupy]

I always took it that Tsunade pretty much decided to reciprocate when she said farewell to Jiraiya. I dunno if that meant she truly loved him or if she was allowing him happiness because he deserved it and she didn't mind. I guess that could tie in with that 'men aren't meant to pursue happiness' line. Whichever it was, she was basically deciding she would accept his advances once he returned. Of course he never did, so we'll never know what might have happened between them.

Naruto certainly hasn't really pursued happiness, but I'm hoping he will break the mold.

[Super Boom]

As a result, I hope at one point that Tsunade would give advice to Sakura, saying that, don't let what she has with Naruto go away. I mean Tsunade probably regret on what happened with Jiraiya, so she might tell Sakura to not make the same mistake that Tsunade made and seize the moment with Naruto, which also works well with the new generation not making the same mistakes as the old generation and enriching themselves with it.

I see that happen in fan-fiction every once in a while, but it's all contingent on whether Tsunade actually had romantic feelings for Jiraiya. If she did, I certainly hope Tsunade will talk with Sakura about it. If Sakura really is confused right now a good talk with Tsunade might do a lot of good.

I could also see Tsunade having a chat with Naruto. He doesn't really seem interested in romance right now, but if he's somehow reminded of Sakura's confession from a few arcs ago, Tsunade would be a good person to push him in the right direction. Of course, she'd be going against the Jiraiya line I quoted above, so I don't know how big of a push she would give him...

I always took it that Tsunade pretty much decided to reciprocate when she said farewell to Jiraiya. I dunno if that meant she truly loved him or if she was allowing him happiness because he deserved it and she didn't mind. I guess that could tie in with that 'men aren't meant to pursue happiness' line. Whichever it was, she was basically deciding she would accept his advances once he returned. Of course he never did, so we'll never know what might have happened between them.

Naruto certainly hasn't really pursued happiness, but I'm hoping he will break the mold.

That was sort of the vibe I got from their last conversation, but I guess it's hard to say what would have happened had he returned. Though I would like to think she had some sort of feelings beyond friendship for him, prior to him leaving.

And yes, I also hope Naruto breaks his teacher's mold, after the whole Sasuke issue is resolved. Or before.

[K9ofChaos]

I see that happen in fan-fiction every once in a while, but it's all contingent on whether Tsunade actually had romantic feelings for Jiraiya. If she did, I certainly hope Tsunade will talk with Sakura about it. If Sakura really is confused right now a good talk with Tsunade might do a lot of good.

I could also see Tsunade having a chat with Naruto. He doesn't really seem interested in romance right now, but if he's somehow reminded of Sakura's confession from a few arcs ago, Tsunade would be a good person to push him in the right direction. Of course, she'd be going against the Jiraiya line I quoted above, so I don't know how big of a push she would give him...


That was sort of the vibe I got from their last conversation, but I guess it's hard to say what would have happened had he returned. Though I would like to think she had some sort of feelings beyond friendship for him, prior to him leaving.

And yes, I also hope Naruto breaks his teacher's mold, after the whole Sasuke issue is resolved. Or before.

I would go with before the Sasuke issue is resolved. Mainly because I don't like Sasuke one bit and the fact that I think the Naruto series is far from over. Kishi said in the writer's note of volume 48 (The quote came from the year 2009) that the series will keep going on for a very long time. And no, three years do not count as a long time in terms of weekly manga durations. A better example would be Tite Kubo stating that his Bleach manga series will last for at least ten more years. I only wish that Kishi could be as straightforward about this as Kubo was instead of being vague about it as he usually is in interviews. I understand if he doesn't want to reveal spoilers about his story and all, but giving a specific number of years you think it will take to finish your story isn't really that much of a spoiler in my book. In fact he was comfortable enough to let us fans know that apparently the last fight in the series will be between Naruto and Sasuke. So I really don't see much of an excuse to be vague about when an author's series is about to end when the author himself (Kishi) can just simply give out a straightforward answer like Kubo did.


Not to mention that I think there might be a possibility of Kishi making a part 3 of the Naruto manga where Naruto himself is an adult with Sakura as his wife and some kids as well. Sasuke would be the Big Bad of part 3 so that way the last battle of the series would take place in part 3. I imagine that Sasuke would conquer an entirely different continent on the other side of the planet Earth of the Narutoverse. It would be the fictional equivalent of the real life Western World in terms of culture and stuff. Not to mention that this continent would be located on the western hemisphere of the Narutoverse Earth. At first it would just be a bunch nations fighting each other in wars. But due to Sasuke taking control of the government of a neutral country in the exact center of the continent, he would be able to expand his territory by annexing the bordering nations around his own. He would continue to do this until he had conquered the entire continent, thus creating his very own personal empire which he would use to conquer the Shinobi continent on the eastern hemisphere and exact his revenge on the Hidden Leaf Village. The Shinobi World would be on the Eastern Continent and the Sasuke's personal empire would be on the Western Continent.


That's just a theory of what I think a part 3 would be like if Kishi even does one to begin with. But the bottom line here is that I think Kishi should be more specific about what he means when he says that his series will last a very long time. Hopefully he will do so in his next interview. :True:

[Anguyen92]

I see that happen in fan-fiction every once in a while, but it's all contingent on whether Tsunade actually had romantic feelings for Jiraiya. If she did, I certainly hope Tsunade will talk with Sakura about it. If Sakura really is confused right now a good talk with Tsunade might do a lot of good.

I could also see Tsunade having a chat with Naruto. He doesn't really seem interested in romance right now, but if he's somehow reminded of Sakura's confession from a few arcs ago, Tsunade would be a good person to push him in the right direction. Of course, she'd be going against the Jiraiya line I quoted above, so I don't know how big of a push she would give him...

I sure hope that Tsunade would try to push them in the right direction. I mean Naruto and Sakura are the two of Tsunade's favorite people around that age group, and that she probably can't bear to see any one of them to be sad, romantically-wise, so hopefully a good nudging and playing therapist would set both of their minds clear on that issue.

[Miss Soupy]

To be honest, at this point I am really tired of third parties.

Why can't Naruto and Sakura talk to one another like normal human beings rather than all these indirect comments? It seems the main issue between them is dishonesty. Naruto wont tell her everything and she wont tell him everything. That's not a way to start a relationship. They need to get over this 'protect him/her in secret!' issue, and just talk to one another about what is going on in their lives.

Edited by Miss Soupy, 22 August 2011 - 10:07 PM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well, that's a very interesting and agreeable thought, maybe the fact that they just don't want to hurt each other emotionally, that they have to get these second parties, like Sai, to get the thought through.

This is why we need to have the next narusaku interaction to have just one-on-one, no interruptions, no third-party, just them and a good healthy talk on where their present and future might go as well as talking about matters from the past, that might hold against them: the bench scene, the kyuubi attacking Sakura, the confession, as well as all the good moments in their lives.

But it might be too long to talk about that, so I assume the next conversation would be reassurance that everything is going to be fine and the conversation after that would be a heart-to-heart talk about what I said above.

Edited by Anguyen92, 22 August 2011 - 09:50 PM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

They really do need to have a one-on-one talk. Things need to be said, they both like eachother and they need to tell eachother before its to late. I've got a bad feeling that Sakura is going to wait and tell him right when he fights Sasuke.

[narusaku-hime]

Not really too unusual. The VA of Roy Mustang and Lust are married.

I did not know that!

I don't know who is Roy Mustang VA he also does Juugo's english voice, however I do know Lust's VA (Laura Bailey) so she's married well I knew a beautiful woman like her has to be married.

People sure know a lot, i guess were always learning

[DBD10297]

In Chapter 540 with the Love Letter Shinobi, why does everyone assume that this confirms that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke? She look pretty depressed and upset when she thinks of him. It also really ticks me off that even the Naruto Wiki says that it is confirmed that she still loves him, Here I'll post the quote from the wiki: "Though she is deeply saddened by what Sasuke has become, it is shown during the Fourth Great Shinobi World War that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke nonetheless."
Anyone who replies please state your opinion. Obviously mine is that she is no longer in love with him, but let me know what you think.

[Fliss]

In Chapter 540 with the Love Letter Shinobi, why does everyone assume that this confirms that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke? She look pretty depressed and upset when she thinks of him. It also really ticks me off that even the Naruto Wiki says that it is confirmed that she still loves him, Here I'll post the quote from the wiki: "Though she is deeply saddened by what Sasuke has become, it is shown during the Fourth Great Shinobi World War that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke nonetheless."
Anyone who replies please state your opinion. Obviously mine is that she is no longer in love with him, but let me know what you think.

Well, okayyy. Here's what I always found as odd.
Obviously, as we've seen through the series, Sakura is ashamed of her lingering feelings for Sasuke. She tells herself they don't exist and tries to push them aside. SO why, when the love letter nin proclaims his love, does Sakura immediately say "There's someone else I..."? She's obviously sure she has feelings for this certain person. That is why I think she was definitely talking about Naruto there.

Then we have chapter 540.
Mangareader translated Love Letter Nin's dialogue as "If it's someone that you like, then they're bound to be a great person."
I think that what he said could also be translated to "Anyone you would like is bound to be a great person." It doesn't really matter which one you prefer, my theory could work for both.
I think Sakura was reflecting on her past love and lingering feelings (I use this lightly because I am very sure she will get over him VERY soon if she hasn't already) for Sasuke and how he wasn't and isn't a great person.
Wellll that's how I see it anywayy lol

Edited by Fliss, 23 August 2011 - 10:44 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

Does it matter all that much for the sake of NS if she does still love him? I mean, since the manga isn't ending tomorrow and things...you know, change over time, in the long run is it worth worrying about?

You can't say for sure, one way or another, what she meant, right? Obviously her feelings, as chaotic as they are, are meant to be confusing to us, as they are to her. What is for sure from that whole interaction is that whenever she thinks of her feelings for Sasuke, she gets upset about them. She feels guilty and sad and all kinds of bad emotions over it. To me, that is more telling than what she might have possibly meant by a few quick words.

If you take everything into consideration, I don't think Sakura had time in those few moments to know what she wants or meant or anything of the sort. She reacted, said some things, and then went on from there.

Now, honestly, I don't see how, given the translations I have seen, it could mean anyone other than Sasuke. The next sentence is a reaction to the first. For anyone in a conversation, his next comment seems a reaction to her reply. When you admit to liking someone, the rejected person would give some sort of compliment and bow himself out. That's what happened. It doesn't appear a confusion of identity over who she meant, since she immediately thinks of Sasuke. I'd also argue if she were over Sasuke, this guilt and sadness wouldn't be needed in the context of the story. Kishi is trying to develop something further with her sadness over this love. The moment she has Naruto as her only love interest, her feelings of guilt for loving Sasuke shouldn't matter to the story.

[Anguyen92]

In Chapter 540 with the Love Letter Shinobi, why does everyone assume that this confirms that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke? She look pretty depressed and upset when she thinks of him. It also really ticks me off that even the Naruto Wiki says that it is confirmed that she still loves him, Here I'll post the quote from the wiki: "Though she is deeply saddened by what Sasuke has become, it is shown during the Fourth Great Shinobi World War that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke nonetheless."
Anyone who replies please state your opinion. Obviously mine is that she is no longer in love with him, but let me know what you think.

Hmmmm, well a couple of pages back, me, phantom, and a couple of other people were probably talking about how its hard to try to let go of your feelings for your first crush. Obviously, she has those kinds of conditions but after everything that has been through with her development, I just can't see her loving Sasuke and when she look sad and imagined him, I think there was some pain in her that she didn't want.

Now, as for the bolded, let me ask this question, why on Earth would she still be in love with an f'en criminal that's bloodthristy to destroy the village that she, Naruto and everyone else strive to protect? And before, all those sasusaku defenders say that he's brainwashed and all of that crap, well he's not going to snap out it on his own will. Most likely, it would be Naruto that's going to do something like that.

And I made this statement back long ago, nothing is canon yet, baby, and we still have all the advantage in terms of development, personality, paralles to other pairings, as well as a couple of hints of flirting.

Edited by Anguyen92, 23 August 2011 - 11:34 PM.