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#5121 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ Oct 20 2012, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Only for the bolded part:

You know the funniest part about Sakura's confession to Naruto? It was critically praised by the manga critics during their volume reviews, unlike Hinata's confession. They said it was well-received because of not only for dramatic purpose but makes the audience guessing the fact whenever she was sincere or faking it.

Really? Very interesting. Kishi even dodged the comment on that scenario when the VA told him that she thought it was harsh to take advantage of Naruto's feelings. At first he was acting like he agrees with her, but then he was like "Or was it? I don't remember..." There's more than meets the eyes. Something tells me this is one of those "underneath of underneath" thing. Even the game presented this moment, when it's not needed since gamers/fans just want to play.

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ Oct 20 2012, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Only for the bolded part:

You know the funniest part about Sakura's confession to Naruto? It was critically praised by the manga critics during their volume reviews, unlike Hinata's confession. They said it was well-received because of not only for dramatic purpose but makes the audience guessing the fact whenever she was sincere or faking it.

wow.gif MIND. BLOWN.

It seems Kishi is smarter than what most people give him credit for. It seems like he purposely wants people to still discuss the validity of the confession so that the build up for Sakura's romantic conclusion gets more traction.

Edited by redragon88, 20 October 2012 - 07:42 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2012 - 07:43 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Oct 20 2012, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Till now i havent recognized any bad pairing scene from kishi. Yes maybe for NH or SS fans but i case of NS its all buildup till canon.
If it really happens the way you describe it, it would be just bad writing.

Also naruto is the main character who has the same dreams and goals for now more than 600 chapters. Do you really believe hes going to change them now. Also kishi said we should continue supporting naruto!
The story is about naruto reaching his dreams and goals not sasuke or hinata!


Why if sasuke get redeemed he would have feelings for sakura?
I dont see this scenario i think it was pretty clear when kakashi got "redeemed" by Obito and made him care for his teammates instead of just follow the rules, even with rin's confession he rejected her because obito loved her, i dont see him falling in love with sakura after the redemption and futhermore what will hapen to suigetsu, juugo and karin, sasuke can be redeemed but the fate of these three people are connected with sasuke, sasuke cant simply leave them behind because they are his comrades, sorry but i cant think about naruto sakura and sasuke on the same team anymore after Sai, Karin,Suigetsu and Juugo got introced the message is pretty clear.

The Old Team 7 is no more.

Edited by dovahkiin, 20 October 2012 - 07:44 PM.

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 10:37 PM

Speaking of epilogues and tying up loose ends, what s the possibility of a time skip, similar to the one at the end of Harry potter?

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 12:04 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Oct 20 2012, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Speaking of epilogues and tying up loose ends, what s the possibility of a time skip, similar to the one at the end of Harry potter?


He will do this like all the shounens i hope not similar but something showing naruto on his hokage office with Sakura helping him.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 02:48 AM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Oct 21 2012, 05:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He will do this like all the shounens i hope not similar but something showing naruto on his hokage office with Sakura helping him.

oh yes that would be good. i thinj that it would happen after cannon.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:23 AM

@Azure: I know you've gotten plenty of other replies, I just wanted to add my own two cents in tongue.gif

Yes, Kishimoto could just make SasuSaku and NaruHina canon easily if he wanted to; as you said, it wouldn't be quality writing, but he could do it.

But is it likely, compared to the likelihood of him making NaruSaku canon? No.

NaruSaku has more manga evidence supporting their relationship eventually becoming canon than SasuSaku and NaruHina do. NaruSaku is the only relationship of those three in which the object of unrequited love has shown on multiple occasions feelings that go beyond friendship. Has Naruto ever blushed over Hinata (not in response to a compliment like in her proud failure speech - which is not romantic given he had the exact same blushing response when Jiraiya compared him to Minato)? No. Has the strength of Sasuke's feelings for Sakura (or Naruto's feelings for Hinata) been commented on by a third party? No. There simply isn't anything to indicate that Sasuke or Naruto feel anything beyond friendship for the girls respectively, while he has gone out of his way to depict Sakura's non-platonic feelings for Naruto on multiple occasions.

And then when he gets to make a movie, he trolls NH (using Hinata's feelings for Naruto to emphasize NaruSaku - her being jealous of Sakura's close relationship with Naruto) and SS (depicting Sakura's feelings for Sasuke as pretty shallow - or perhaps naive as Ciarhda said before and having Sasuke treat her just like any of his other fangirls) while developing Naruto and Sakura's relationship, having multiple people (including Menma's parents) think Naruto and Sakura are going out, has Naruto asking for dates from Sakura, having Sakura blush over Naruto when he saves her bridal style, and then saying the whole thing was the longest date ever at the end.

That's not even taking into account the parallels coupled with the new generation surpassing the old theme.

So again, Kishi could make NH and SS canon based on what he's given in the manga thus far -- in fact, I'd even expect it if he didn't develop and focus on the NaruSaku bond as he has. But since literally all of the evidence seems to point towards NaruSaku in terms of focus, mutuality, and development I think its only logical to think that NaruSaku is the most likely to become canon at this point over the other two.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:10 PM

Who's sasukemo ? or is it a pairing ? mellow.gif

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Oct 21 2012, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He will do this like all the shounens i hope not similar but something showing naruto on his hokage office with Sakura helping him.

I see that too if there will be a time skip epilogue and adding, possibly a child from Naruto and Sakura.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:14 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Oct 21 2012, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who's sasukemo ? or is it a pairing ? mellow.gif


I see that too if there will be a time skip epilogue and adding, possibly a child from Naruto and Sakura.

Sasukeemo means sasuke is an emo. biggrin.gif

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:01 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Oct 21 2012, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sasukeemo means sasuke is an emo. biggrin.gif

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Though, I think you're being a little bit harsh on him guys.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:35 PM

A big heads-up:

I am currently writing one huge LAP if that even make sense. It's on my notepad, so it's not done. But be prepare to read it, if you want and/or have time. In the meantime, carry on. Lol Sasukemo. Not going to lie, I actually thought it was a new pairing.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 06:15 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Oct 21 2012, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A big heads-up:

I am currently writing one huge LAP if that even make sense. It's on my notepad, so it's not done. But be prepare to read it, if you want and/or have time. In the meantime, carry on. Lol Sasukemo. Not going to lie, I actually thought it was a new pairing.

Sorry but what is " one huge LAP" headscratch.gif
I'm used to sasukemo ,alot of people call him that.
the more the characters have screen/panel time the more hate they get

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Oct 21 2012, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry but what is " one huge LAP" headscratch.gif
I'm used to sasukemo ,alot of people call him that.
the more the characters have screen/panel time the more hate they get

LAP = Long ass post.

I think at one point, I thought people were talking about Kakashi's dad, but that's just me since I forgot his name or at least how to spell it.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Oct 21 2012, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LAP = Long ass post.

I think at one point, I thought people were talking about Kakashi's dad, but that's just me since I forgot his name or at least how to spell it.


good then because I love those happy.gif

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 06:45 PM

I agree about the Harry Potter style epilogue - I definitely think we'll get some mix between that and the "epilogue" from FMA, which pretty much just showed snapshots of where the characters were in the future.
QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Oct 21 2012, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A big heads-up:

I am currently writing one huge LAP if that even make sense. It's on my notepad, so it's not done. But be prepare to read it, if you want and/or have time. In the meantime, carry on. Lol Sasukemo. Not going to lie, I actually thought it was a new pairing.

Can't wait to read it! Your posts are always so nicely written and NaruSaku LAPs are my favorite kind biggrin.gif
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:08 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Oct 21 2012, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A big heads-up:

I am currently writing one huge LAP if that even make sense. It's on my notepad, so it's not done. But be prepare to read it, if you want and/or have time. In the meantime, carry on. Lol Sasukemo. Not going to lie, I actually thought it was a new pairing.

If anything I ship Sasuke with Revenge-chan. laugh.gif

And maybe as a close second with Karin, but that will depend on what happens when they encounter each other again.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:31 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Oct 22 2012, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If anything I ship Sasuke with Revenge-chan. laugh.gif

And maybe as a close second with Karin, but that will depend on what happens when they encounter each other again.

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I can't really imagine sasuke being with someone.Other then the obvious reasons,I always thought he was too broken to be in a relationship.

And besides,SK isn't that different from SS so My opinions about both are practicly the same.
Acually,I'd rather SS then SK kruemelmonsteryn0.gif (not canon offcurse simply as a 'which is more appealing')

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:51 PM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Oct 21 2012, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I can't really imagine sasuke being with someone.Other then the obvious reasons,I always thought he was too broken to be in a relationship.

And besides,SK isn't that different from SS so My opinions about both are practicly the same.
Acually,I'd rather SS then SK kruemelmonsteryn0.gif (not canon offcurse simply as a 'which is more appealing')

I don't really care if Sasuke ends up alone. But if he had to be with someone my money is on Karin. As to why, well, because she seems to be the only girl who can back talk to Sasuke. Any other girl would be way too meek around him, but Karin knows how to stand her ground when she believes he's in the wrong.

I remember how she scolded him for almost getting killed by Deidara and even called him a weakling. Then she got mad at him for trying to keep searching for Itachi even though he hadn't recovered from his fight with Deidara. And I think there were other instances in which she questioned the validity of his plans.

I guess I prefer her because she doesn't mind giving Sasuke attitude regardless of her feelings. It seems she might have some traits of a tsundere when it comes to Sasuke.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:58 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Oct 22 2012, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't really care if Sasuke ends up alone. But if he had to be with someone my money is on Karin. As to why, well, because she seems to be the only girl who can back talk to Sasuke. Any other girl would be way too meek around him, but Karin knows how to stand her ground when she believes he's in the wrong.

I remember how she scolded him for almost getting killed by Deidara and even called him a weakling. Then she got mad at him for trying to keep searching for Itachi even though he hadn't recovered from his fight with Deidara. And I think there were other instances in which she questioned the validity of his plans.

I guess I prefer her because she doesn't mind giving Sasuke attitude regardless of her feelings. It seems she might have some traits of a tsundere when it comes to Sasuke.

you're right happy.gif
She is kind of a tsundere with him.
It's just that sasuke isn't my favorite and I found nothing appealing about karin so I dismissed the pairing.
Ironicly the second most appealing pairing for me is SS sweatdrop.gif They were fine in part 1 .
kruemelmonsteryn0.gif I blame it on fanfiction.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:34 PM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Oct 21 2012, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you're right happy.gif
She is kind of a tsundere with him.
It's just that sasuke isn't my favorite and I found nothing appealing about karin so I dismissed the pairing.
Ironicly the second most appealing pairing for me is SS sweatdrop.gif They were fine in part 1 .
kruemelmonsteryn0.gif I blame it on fanfiction.

Well, if this was a shoujo manga with Sakura as the protagonist, and maybe Sasuke wasn't as unstable as he is now, then it would've had a high possibility of happening. But this is a shonen with Naruto as the protagonist, so from a storytelling point of view he's the one most likely to get the girl he loves.

Maybe it's because of the influence of other genres, be it shoujo itself or maybe from western influence, combined with a lack of understanding how storytelling can be different according to what genre is used, that some people are particularly adamant about not believing that Naruto and Sakura could get together.

Fiction is not real life, that meaning that fiction can be controlled as seen fit in order to deliver the message that the author wants to communicate. So when I see potential development I try not to see it from the point of view of the characters, but from the perspective of the author. I try to think what would motivate an author to draw a certain conclusion. And given the development, parallels and themes that Kishi has deliberately chosen to portray in the manga, in addition to the type of genre that this story belongs to, that's how I make the conclusion that Kishi wants Naruto and Sakura to get together by the end.




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