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[Fyuria'sLeo]

 

Honestly, I don't know what you two were expecting out of Law.

 

His role in the story is to act as an ally to the straw hats, and he's been playing that role just fine. I think anything extra towards his character is just a bonus.

 

Regardless, Oda must be doing something right considering he's the second most popular character right now.

 

That's my point I wasnt expecting anything out of him and my view on him hasn't changed.
 

We are allowed to not like character Redfaction just the same with ships.

 

I don't care if he's one of the highest popular characters in the manga and anime he barely brings anything to the table other than his devil fruit which anyone could have had.

 

Just because he's popular (Sasuke) doesn't mean he needs to be loved by everyone.

 

Yes he's an ally to the Straw hats but again I dont have to like him if he's teamed up with Luffy.

 

My whole thing with him being boring is that he barely brings anything interesting to the table in my eyes.

 

He's very edgy (His past was interesting to an extent but eh it didn't really hold me for long)

 

I love all the other Worst generation pirates except him.

[RedFaction]

 

That's my point I wasnt expecting anything out of him and my view on him hasn't changed.
 

We are allowed to not like character Redfaction just the same with ships.

 

I don't care if he's one of the highest popular characters in the manga and anime he barely brings anything to the table other than his devil fruit which anyone could have had.

 

Just because he's popular (Sasuke) doesn't mean he needs to be loved by everyone.

 

Yes he's an ally to the Straw hats but again I dont have to like him if he's teamed up with Luffy.

 

My whole thing with him being boring is that he barely brings anything interesting to the table in my eyes.

 

He's very edgy (His past was interesting to an extent but eh it didn't really hold me for long)

 

I love all the other Worst generation pirates except him.

I see your point. I wouldn't rank him that highly among my favorite characters either, but he's not horrible.

 

You're right though, at the moment Law doesn't really seem to have a whole lot left to offer to the story outside of helping in some of the fights up ahead.

 

Hopefully that's going to change, or it would have been better to just have Doffy kill him off in Dressrosa.

 

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[AHK]

I think law is a great character he's one of my favs outside of the straw hats. I love his ability.

I wouldn't say that he's boring, but I would say that he can't beat Zoro 1v1.

  

As far as Law's abilities go he's kind of a one trick pony. If Zoro can overcome Law's DF abilities then yeah I think Zoro would win in a 1v1. Not to mention we haven't even seen Zoro's full potential post time skip yet.

Let's not get too hasty. Law is a warlord and a captain. I understand Zoro is strong, but Law has a very difficult moveset to circumvent. Zoro hasn't shown anything to give him credit to be able to beat Law. Also, he's not a one trick pony

[RedFaction]

I think law is a great character he's one of my favs outside of the straw hats. I love his ability.
   Let's not get too hasty. Law is a warlord and a captain. I understand Zoro is strong, but Law has a very difficult moveset to circumvent. Zoro hasn't shown anything to give him credit to be able to beat Law. Also, he's not a one trick pony

Without his DF abilities he would get rekt by Zoro. He's a one trick pony.

[AHK]

Without his DF abilities he would get rekt by Zoro. He's a one trick pony.

Your point is irrelevant, because a Law without his devil fruit doesn't exist. That's like saying that Zoro can only use his feet in a fight. Since all Zoro does is swing his swords, is he a one trick pony?

[RedFaction]

Your point is irrelevant, because a Law without his devil fruit doesn't exist. That's like saying that Zoro can only use his feet in a fight. Since all Zoro does is swing his swords, is he a one trick pony?

Alright I'll concede your point, but we still haven't seen Zoro's full potential yet so both of us are just speculating who would win right now.

 

However it's pretty obvious though that Zoro will surpass him in time, if he hasn't already.

[AHK]

Alright I'll concede your point, but we still haven't seen Zoro's full potential yet so both of us are just speculating who would win right now.
 
However it's pretty obvious though that Zoro will surpass him in time, if he hasn't already.

I don't think he'll "surpass" him per se. I think that Law is going to be the new era's version of Whitebeard, while Luffy is Roger, and Zoro will be slightly behind them.

[RedFaction]

I don't think he'll "surpass" him per se. I think that Law is going to be the new era's version of Whitebeard, while Luffy is Roger, and Zoro will be slightly behind them.

Law really doesn't strike me as the Whitebeard type, because right now Law is not even close to Luffy's level. He's going to have to get a lot stronger soon, which I wouldn't mind seeing, but I don't know if that's going to happen.

 

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Edited by RedFaction, 10 February 2016 - 04:39 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

I don't think he'll "surpass" him per se. I think that Law is going to be the new era's version of Whitebeard, while Luffy is Roger, and Zoro will be slightly behind them.

It all depends. Law said the new generation would surpass the current one. To do so, guys like Luffy, Law, and Kid need to surpass the current Yonkou.

 

To say Smoker is Luffy's Garp makes sense. Doflamingo used Smoker's crew to beat him, and Garp was always one step behind Roger. But to say Law is Luffy's Whitebeard is wrong, because Whitebeard was equal to Roger, while Garp was slightly below Roger. Law was nothing compared to Doflamingo's Awakening or Luffy's Gear Fourth.

 

Luffy will grow quicker than anyone in the series in terms of strength, so if Law is significantly weaker than Luffy right now, there's no way he'll be just as strong as him in the end.

 

Now then, as for Zoro, he has to surpass Mihawk. Mihawk is almost as strong, if not just as strong as Shanks. Also, Law uses a sword. Zoro's dream requires him to surpass ALL swordsmen and women in the world. So Zoro must surpass Shanks, Mihawk, and Law.

 

Remember, Zoro is Luffy's first mate. Rayleigh as a very old man can go toe to toe with any Admiral. So in his prime, Zoro needs to be stronger than the Yonkou as well. This of course might not include Blackbeard if he becomes stronger than Roger was. I mean... the guy already has the darkness and quake devil fruits...

[rocci]

@fyurialeo
How can you compare law with sasuke?
One is a side character while the other is main character.
Law importance is the same with vivi the difference is he's more popular than her.
Law will never have the same importance like sasuke nor it will threatening luffy.

@fy
Zorro will be the second strongest in sh.

Edited by rocci, 10 February 2016 - 07:17 AM.

[AHK]

It all depends. Law said the new generation would surpass the current one. To do so, guys like Luffy, Law, and Kid need to surpass the current Yonkou.
 
To say Smoker is Luffy's Garp makes sense. Doflamingo used Smoker's crew to beat him, and Garp was always one step behind Roger. But to say Law is Luffy's Whitebeard is wrong, because Whitebeard was equal to Roger, while Garp was slightly below Roger. Law was nothing compared to Doflamingo's Awakening or Luffy's Gear Fourth.
 
Luffy will grow quicker than anyone in the series in terms of strength, so if Law is significantly weaker than Luffy right now, there's no way he'll be just as strong as him in the end.
 
Now then, as for Zoro, he has to surpass Mihawk. Mihawk is almost as strong, if not just as strong as Shanks. Also, Law uses a sword. Zoro's dream requires him to surpass ALL swordsmen and women in the world. So Zoro must surpass Shanks, Mihawk, and Law.
 
Remember, Zoro is Luffy's first mate. Rayleigh as a very old man can go toe to toe with any Admiral. So in his prime, Zoro needs to be stronger than the Yonkou as well. This of course might not include Blackbeard if he becomes stronger than Roger was. I mean... the guy already has the darkness and quake devil fruits...

First, Garp was never, ever one step behind Roger. They were evenly matched their entire careers. Also, your speculation about is off. I said that Law is going to be, not currently is. By the end of the series, Law will be comparable to WB, that has nothing to do with where he is now. Zoro may be on that level, but he won't be any stronger than Law.

[TouKen4Life3g]

New chapter is out. What the hell?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow, Oda, you certainly impressed me.

[hinataiscreepy]

 

That's my point I wasnt expecting anything out of him and my view on him hasn't changed.
 

We are allowed to not like character Redfaction just the same with ships.

 

I don't care if he's one of the highest popular characters in the manga and anime he barely brings anything to the table other than his devil fruit which anyone could have had.

 

Just because he's popular (Sasuke) doesn't mean he needs to be loved by everyone.

 

Yes he's an ally to the Straw hats but again I dont have to like him if he's teamed up with Luffy.

 

My whole thing with him being boring is that he barely brings anything interesting to the table in my eyes.

 

He's very edgy (His past was interesting to an extent but eh it didn't really hold me for long)

 

I love all the other Worst generation pirates except him.

 

Pretty much agreed on everything.

 

Did Oda mention somewhere that the rookies were kinda added at the last minute and drawn quickly ?

 

My issue is that he kinda kicked out Smoker of the spotlight and kinda made a joke of one of Luffy's fiercest rival and possible friend (who is likely the Garp of this generation).

 

He had too much screen time and did not really get to truly grow as friends to the main characters. His flashback felt more like his own story than something that truly resonates with Luffy and the reader. In contrast, the bond between Luffy and Nami is way more emotionally engaging and fun than his alliance with Law.

 

Personally, I have never bought the fact that he was a D. They tend to be motivators and people who inspire others to live and be better persons. Its like the magazine is trying to milk on his popularity. Unfortunately, people who vote for characters tend to think that looking sexy is all you need to get a vote.

 

Law is a decent character but as you say he is not necessary to the plot, boring, disrupted the formula of the series, and imho took too much screen time. 

[AHK]

It was a good chapter! Funny how Nami can't seem to keep her hands off Luffy the thing about Raizou was a surprise. Sucks that there's a break next week though.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know why but I really like this chapter.

[hinataiscreepy]

Nami scolding Luffy is always the highlight for me.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

@fyurialeo
How can you compare law with sasuke?
One is a side character while the other is main character.
Law importance is the same with vivi the difference is he's more popular than her.
Law will never have the same importance like sasuke nor it will threatening luffy.

@fy
Zorro will be the second strongest in sh.

I was comparing them popularity wise not character wise, but they are both edgy they have that going for them.

Vivi had character though I wanted her to join the Straw Hats she had such amazing resolve and she wanted nothing more than to be with the Straw Hats but couldnt be due to her will over her people.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Nami scolding Luffy is always the highlight for me.

Agreed. But you know, Luffy is not wrong anymore. Lol.

[AHK]

Pretty much agreed on everything.
 
Did Oda mention somewhere that the rookies were kinda added at the last minute and drawn quickly ?
 
My issue is that he kinda kicked out Smoker of the spotlight and kinda made a joke of one of Luffy's fiercest rival and possible friend (who is likely the Garp of this generation).
 
He had too much screen time and did not really get to truly grow as friends to the main characters. His flashback felt more like his own story than something that truly resonates with Luffy and the reader. In contrast, the bond between Luffy and Nami is way more emotionally engaging and fun than his alliance with Law.
 
Personally, I have never bought the fact that he was a D. They tend to be motivators and people who inspire others to live and be better persons. Its like the magazine is trying to milk on his popularity. Unfortunately, people who vote for characters tend to think that looking sexy is all you need to get a vote.
 
Law is a decent character but as you say he is not necessary to the plot, boring, disrupted the formula of the series, and imho took too much screen time.

Regarding the bold:

1.) To say that D's inspire people to be better people is false. People may want to become better people after interacting with Luffy maybe, but there is zero evidence that people wanted to become better people after encountering Ace, Garp, or Roger, and certainly not Teach. The only single consistent trait that all D's share is the will to live the way they want to. Other than that, your statement regarding the tendencies of D's is wrong via lack of evidence. Luffy's traits do not equate to the traits of all D's.

2.) Law isn't Sasuke, his popularity goes beyond his looks.

3.) Law is pretty important to the plot, considering they are in an alliance to take out Emperors, and he in no way disrupted the formula of the series. In fact, his presence reinforced the pattern of the series, as it has never been just the straw hats alone during any story arc.

Edited by AHK, 10 February 2016 - 06:48 PM.