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[candycane-chan]

wow just wow all this happened when I wasn't here
on the bright side It's been a while since the thread was so active like it is now
I really enjoyed reading your posts guys
especially: reddragon reading your elaborated post was the highlight of my day
Narusaku4life : you already now that I like your posts and I agree with everything
Paptala: I never expected anything less from you

You don't have to be rude about it. I was just responding to PoisionInMyCoffee and putting my thoughts down cause I didn't get a chance to earlier. What's wrong with that?

I'm pretty sure that Prem didn't mean to sound rude with his statement .He was probably tiered of all the "trophy" talk.
And no ,there is nothing wrong with that.you were merely giving your opinion about the topic.

Now this isn't directed to RomanceGirl
About naruto deserving sakura ,I doubt that alot of NS fans treat sakura as a trophy when saying that naruto deserves her,I agree that there is some bashing in side the NS fandom for sakura but that's usually out of frustration ,although I really hate it when people do that

I don't understand what made PoisonInMyCoffee open such a topic,I felt as if everything was so sexist and feminist .
I'm sorry but the truth is that you sounded really femninist with the way you were replying.
I don't like sakura,I LOVE sakura and she's one of my favorites so I would definetly not treat her as a trophy that is entitled for naruto.
Naruto DESERVES TO BE HAPPY and not DESERVES TO OWN HER.
Just because I want them both together doesn't mean that I'm mistreating her or something
honestly ....I don't know what made you think that way
But I guess I should thank you for reviving this thread

P.S :I agree with prem that we should change the topic because I think the thread has turned to a feminist/sexist thread

[Chucky-kun]

Nice guys finish last,
That's why I'll treat you like trash,
It's not what I really wanna do
But, you only date bad guys so,
I'll give it my best try to,
Treat you the way you want me to.

Lol, just felt like putting it out there, for da lulz

[candycane-chan]

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[narulsaku]

You don't have to be rude about it. I was just responding to PoisionInMyCoffee and putting my thoughts down cause I didn't get a chance to earlier. What's wrong with that?

where i was rude. if i was then forgive me ashley. it just so much trophy .HOW they can think that what ever can any one answer my question . its in the previous post. and thanks for the support kamar.

[candycane-chan]

okey now thats making me more sick . no one is saying that sakura is a trophy ashley. just cut it lets start a new topic. how about this . from some times i ve got a question. why kisi showed sasusaku and naruhina moments . we all know there are some. if he is really inteded to make narusaku from the begining then why he showed those moments . that make me think that he didnt wanted narusaku.

Interesting
I don't think it's apropriate to say that they're redharings so I would say these moments were to make the love triangle more complicated and to increase the drama.Because although I think that NS is a bit obvious ,it would've been more obvious if there wasn't any NH and SS.I have to admit that if the love triangles weren't so complicated and the pairing was so blunt and 100% going to happen I wouldn't have loved it as I do now.

But I have to disagree with you about kishi not planning it from the start.
Because first we have to remember that in part 1 ( since you're talking about the beginning) whenever there was a NH/SS moment there was a NS moment right after it and sometimes more significent.
like after the blood oath there was the gaara fight and after sakura's confession there was the POAL and after hinata offered naruto to cheat sakura was willing to quit the test and etc,...

And second,I used to think that way but remember kakashi.He was introduced with only one eye shown in chapter 3 and here we are in chapter 606 still figuiring out his story,It's things like that that make me think that he had everyhting mapped up.

So in the end...you know what? I'm too tired to write a conclusion,I think you got my point.

where i was rude. if i was then forgive me ashley. it just so much trophy .HOW they can think that what ever can any one answer my question . its in the previous post. and thanks for the support kamar.

any time Prem

[narusakufan122]

You are treating Sakura like she is an object, a thing, a prize that Naruto deserves to get because he tried so hard, was so nice to her. Women are not prizes for men. No person is entitled to our time, our friendship, our love or our bodies. Naruto is not entitled to Sakura. If Sakura does not fall in love with Naruto, Naruto will just have to accept that with grace and let Sakura be with the person she loves. Sakura is a person, she is not a thing to be gained by some guy. No matter how sweet a guy you are, women don't have to fall in love with you or owe you sex. It might hurt not to be with the person you love, but that's part of life and not some great injustice done to you by kitteny, shallow women. This is, in my opinion, a very good message to send, especially to all those teenage boys. I know that this is not a message that many guys like to hear. That is sort of why they should hear it.

(Off-topic: This is my first post. Hope I get this posted to the right thread and that the post looks good instead of just funny and weird.)

No one is treating Sakura like an object. It's true that Naruto treating Sakura nice doesn't mean Sakura has to love him BUT the fact is Naruto treats her nice, Sasuke doesn't. Naruto puts a smile on her face, Sasuke depresses her. Naruto is there for her when she needs him, Sasuke isn't. This gives Naruto a clear advantage in the "love battle" (for lack of a better word). Again this doesn't mean Sakura is obligated to love him but it does give her more reasons to do so.

Also if you look at both pairings you'll see that both off them started out the same way. One sided love that didn't get reciprocated. However if you look at the development both pairings went through you'll notice that NS slowly developed over time, built on trust, understanding, friendship and equality.
While SS is still mainly focused around Sakura's crush on "cool guy" Sasuke and the pairing has actually deteriorated instead of developed. (Sakura feelings for Sasuke have become questionable)
For me SS is dead in the water. It has been since the end of Naruto/beginning of Naruto Shippuuden.

Why don't we use your "good message" logic for SS. ( because what your saying is SS has to happen because NS not happening would send out a good message)
If SS happened what kind of message would that send ?
That it doesn't matter how bad you treat girls because as long as they love you they'll just come crawling back no matter what ? Nice message...

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

where i was rude. if i was then forgive me ashley. it just so much trophy .HOW they can think that what ever can any one answer my question . its in the previous post. and thanks for the support kamar.

It's my fault too. I admit, I can at times be sensitive and take things the wrong way . I guess you weren't so much rude but abrupt and frustrated. The trophy talk is annoying I agree. None of us on this forum see Sakura as Naruto's trophy. Most of us respect her character and love or at least have some type of like for her.

I'm confused at how PoisonInMyCoffee believed we see her as nothing but a object and that we only ship NaruSaku because we're Naruto-biased. Alright, I admit Naruto is my favorite character ever but I wouldn't ship Sakura with him if I didn't consider her feelings first. She's almost as important to me as Naruto is.

[sushi.]

Have been reading through these comments now. And I don't think any of us sees Sakura as and object, she is half NaruSaku after all.

I would be disappointed in Sakura if she rejected Naruto now, but that's only because she confessed to him. If it turns out to be 100% false(it is not, of course), then I would lose my respect for her character. But lets exlude the confession for now.

Then I would certainly not be disappointed in her if she rejected him. I would be disappointed in Kishi, because I think it would damage the plot and message of the story. This is where we divide things. Naruto is a story. Not a real world. A story needs a message. Because in the real world, pointless things happen and you can not control it. If the girl you love does not feel the same for you, even if you are a "nice guy", you've got to deal with it. But Kishi would not show Naruto's love for Sakura in such a selfless and inspiring way, just to make her ditch him in the end.

Thought I would just explain it in my own way, Poison in the coffee. : D

Edited by sushi., 20 October 2012 - 12:57 AM.

[narulsaku]

hey guys what are you saying it poison in your coffee. not my ashley .and not the coffee. susi. and trophy try to under stand. noone is saying that sakura is an oaject or a trophy. i say if they would be together that would be like a reward or a trophy to naruto. okey any doubts

[Lady_duckish]

The whole Naruto and Sakura have to end up together thing can come off strange, but I never thought it meant Sakura should feel compelled to fall for him. After Jiraiya's speech about failing with the woman he loved, it just seems like huge foreshadowing to the point where if they didn't fall in love, it would seem kind of....( trouble articulating) fuddled ?

Naruto will succeed where those before him failed. To write it out as : "Jiraiya didn't get Tsunade so for Naruto to surpass Jiraiya he must get with Sakura" sounds horrible and sexist, but we all have enough faith in Kishi to believe it wont be written that way. Hopefully, Naruto and Sakura will get together because the two of them fell in love. Which is a scenario that has the right pieces, if only Kishi chooses to put them together in that fashion.

Seems like obvious as duck forshadowing. Its been ages for me , but I don't recall ever thinking Jiraiya's feelings went deeper than a love for his comrade and obvious lust before that chapter. Seeings as were were never told of anything deeper than friendship and lust, it would be kinda silly to bring his feelings up unless we're suppose to take more from it. Like a glaring Neon sign : EVERYONE LOOK AT HOW JIRAIYA "FAILED", NARUTO IS TOTALLY GOING TO SUCCEED IN HIS PLACE

So, Naruto and Sakura not finding romantic love with one another would ( in reality) not make him any less of a success, but because of the way Kishi has set it up ( particularly Jiraiya's end) it would seem off, but only because that's the way he wrote it.

The party pooping N/S shipper in me says Naruto could surpass Obito and Jiraya by moving on and finding love with someone who is ready to love him back romantically. I find Jiraiya and Tsunade's choices to not find love with other people , well sad. Now this will rub some people the wrong way, but here goes. I think its tragic that in all that time Jiraiya never knew what it felt like to love someone like that and have them return your feelings, and Tsunade felt it, but only for a short amount of time. All that time and they never got those feelings again. Tragic.
Obito was young and Naruto is still very young. If we got a flash forward and Naruto was 35 and still carrying a torch for someone who (speaking in the context of my faux flashforward ) does not feel the same way, I would feel like it was a tragic waste. Same for Sakura. All of them are free to love as they wish, but that's sad.

[redragon88]

I think a main complain people have with NS shippers saying that Naruto should get together with Sakura after all he's done for her is that they think we don't take into consideration her decision in what she wants.

I think that what we have to make clear is that the only way that we want Sakura to be with Naruto is by her own choice. We should let it be known that we don't want Sakura to be with Naruto just because Sasuke pushed her away with his hate (that mentality was what made her confession to Naruto a total failure), we want Sakura to be with Naruto because he pulled her in with his love and good qualities.

I'm pretty sure that if Sakura chooses Naruto based on his merits alone, and not because she's disappointed with Sasuke, that we can conclude that her being with him does not make her just some trophy. She chooses Naruto because he's the one she wants to be with the most in the world.

The message here would be "When you like someone, always respect their feelings and try to make them happy. That way they'll come to see your good qualities and choose to be with you for the right reasons".

I want this message to be transmitted in the manga, and that's why I want Naruto to be together with Sakura.

It's not about learning some secret technique to make the person you like fall in love with you, it's about understanding what is the right way to treat the one you love so that if they choose to be with you they'll do it for the right reasons. It's about understanding how selflessness can take you a long way in making the person you like think better of you, even to the point of them liking you back.

[swagosaurus]

I'm kind of fascinated by the amount of flak Naru/Saku, and by extent, the shippers of Naru/Saku get. And drawing from that, I'm also surprised at how Naru/Saku isn't the most popular pairing.

You could say most pairings are pro-(insert character here)

Naru/Hina is pro Hinata. I can see why the appeal of the pairing; it just baffles me how popular it is.

If you were to put Naru/Saku into that paradigm, then it would be Pro Naruto, no? Seeing as how Naruto is the protagonist, should that pairing be the one most people root for?

What do you guys think?

[narulsaku]

its hard to say naruto is the main character. so he cant be protagonist . so like hinata ie we take sakura as protagonist . i dont know. but i still support narusaku

[Lady_duckish]

I'm kind of fascinated by the amount of flak Naru/Saku, and by extent, the shippers of Naru/Saku get. And drawing from that, I'm also surprised at how Naru/Saku isn't the most popular pairing.

You could say most pairings are pro-(insert character here)

Naru/Hina is pro Hinata. I can see why the appeal of the pairing; it just baffles me how popular it is.

If you were to put Naru/Saku into that paradigm, then it would be Pro Naruto, no? Seeing as how Naruto is the protagonist, should that pairing be the one most people root for?

What do you guys think?

Certain ships are destined to be more popular. Sasuke/Sakura has the bad boy thing going on, and Hinata was one of the few people who was , and has always been kind to Naruto.

Most of the N/H shippers I come across ship it because she's one of the few people whose always been kind to Naruto. Even though Naruto wants Sakura, they see N/H as being pro Naruto. Then the part one comparison to Sakura.
Sakura : Rude, selfish, immature fangirl who worships the cool kid who is also a bit of an a*s wipe, and she has been really mean to Naruto.
Hinata: kind, quiet and most of her characterization is centered on her admiration/love for Naruto.
Which one is easier to ship? lol
I was never a N/H supporter, so my post isn't worth all that much, but those are the reason I see the most on forums and youtube

Something funny to add to that. Most non canon pairings are much more popular than the canon ones.
Draco/Hermione is much more popular than Ron/Hermione
Sesshomaru/Kagome is much more popular than Inuyasha/Kagome
Zuko/Katara is way more popular than Katara/Aang.

[Branden]

I'm kind of fascinated by the amount of flak Naru/Saku, and by extent, the shippers of Naru/Saku get. And drawing from that, I'm also surprised at how Naru/Saku isn't the most popular pairing.

You could say most pairings are pro-(insert character here)

Naru/Hina is pro Hinata. I can see why the appeal of the pairing; it just baffles me how popular it is.

If you were to put Naru/Saku into that paradigm, then it would be Pro Naruto, no? Seeing as how Naruto is the protagonist, should that pairing be the one most people root for?

What do you guys think?

yeah its not unreasonable to say that, but its also not unreasonable to state that Naruto makes Sakura happy and vice versa therefor NaruSaku.

[Deej]

Something funny to add to that. Most non canon pairings are much more popular than the canon ones.
Draco/Hermione is much more popular than Ron/Hermione
Sesshomaru/Kagome is much more popular than Inuyasha/Kagome
Zuko/Katara is way more popular than Katara/Aang.

A lot of this is due to Shipping Bed Death. A major part of any pairing fandom is the anticipation of the pairing becoming canon. Imagine spending even years defending and debating for a certain pairing. Then one day the author makes it happen. Everyone celebrates like they won something, but then where do you go from there? Some will lose their interest in the pairing now that the battle is over. That's why canon pairings don't tend to interest fandom as much as the sexier semi-canon pairings. .

Someone once asked would NaruHina, SasuSaku, ShikaTema, or even SasuNaru be as popular if they were canon? Probably not.

[Lady_duckish]

A lot of this is due to Shipping Bed Death. A major part of any pairing fandom is the anticipation of the pairing becoming canon. Imagine spending even years defending and debating for a certain pairing. Then one day the author makes it happen. Everyone celebrates like they won something, but then where do you go from there? Some will lose their interest in the pairing now that the battle is over. That's why canon pairings don't tend to interest fandom as much as the sexier semi-canon pairings. .

Someone once asked would NaruHina, SasuSaku, ShikaTema, or even SasuNaru be as popular if they were canon? Probably not.

Seems about right I once had someone tell me they were popular because its just more fun to anticipate something that most likely never going to happen.

[narulsaku]

Seems about right I once had someone tell me they were popular because its just more fun to anticipate something that most likely never going to happen.

oh is it i dont find it though thore seems funny naa . that cant be.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

A lot of this is due to Shipping Bed Death. A major part of any pairing fandom is the anticipation of the pairing becoming canon. Imagine spending even years defending and debating for a certain pairing. Then one day the author makes it happen. Everyone celebrates like they won something, but then where do you go from there? Some will lose their interest in the pairing now that the battle is over. That's why canon pairings don't tend to interest fandom as much as the sexier semi-canon pairings. .

Someone once asked would NaruHina, SasuSaku, ShikaTema, or even SasuNaru be as popular if they were canon? Probably not.

This. It's the same with fanfiction too. Why is there so much more fanfiction for NaruHina and SasuSaku (especially SS) compared to NaruSaku? Because they have so little evidence and it frustrates them so they do their little fanfics for outlets and say " That's how it should happen." NS fans are usually more confident in their pairing so most of the time, we just write for fun, not because we're frustrated with lack of pairing evidence.

Seeing the western side of things in Naruto and other fandoms (TV shows, comics, movies, you name it), it amazes me how much more popular the unhealthy, emotionally abusive couples are in America compared to the normal, happy, healthy ones. In fact, it at times horrifies me, especially in the case of SasuSaku. It's like we see things like "bad boy, destructive character" equals " Wow, it's so passionate and hot! Bad boys changed by a girl. How sweet! " . It's like they see it through rose-colored googles and shrug off how emotionally damaging it could be. Noted this is not directed at every Bad Boy/Main girl relations in our media but I still see so many like that.

Examples: Edward/Bella couple from Twilight over Jacob/Bella (I don't care what anyone says. The Edbella relationship was damaging, anti-feminist, and not a good real life example), Delena over Stelena from Vampire Diaries ( Passionate, yes. Healthy? No), SasuSaku over NaruSaku (Of course).

I truly don't understand some Western fans sometimes ...

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 20 October 2012 - 09:44 AM.

[candycane-chan]

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lol it's not really about them liking the emotional abusive relationships,It's about them liking the cool/badboy who doesn't show alot of emotions over the cute/goodguy who's either neutral or an optimist.and this is what makes them root for him to end up with any girl he ( badboy) wants or their favorite female character/actor that might have feelings for said badboy.

Some of those relationships are pretty good and logical but not the ones that you mentioned which happens to be the most common.So I agree with you about that

concerning the pairings you mentioned:
1)Although I don't like edward/bella and find it unhealthy and unrealistic ,bella/jacob wasn't any better .Although I like it more but come on jacob threatened her to commite suicide if she didn't kiss him.

2)The same thing here.I have to admit though since I am a Damon/elena shipper myself that the reason there are lots of shippers for this is because it's so passionate ,I mean did you even see the blood sharing in the last episode
But again,I can't see it happening.seten/elena isn't the most logical pairing but it's more possible then damon/elena

3) can't say anything about that

Edited by candycane-chan, 20 October 2012 - 10:49 AM.