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[PhenixElite]

I admit, that was unintentionally funny. I agree with you. We are following Naruto as he represent us. That's why Kishi keeps telling us to continue to support Naruto, the main character, not just the manga. Even the recent movie picture he drew said so. Kids are growing up and love is something that they will soon get interest in. Naruto is showing us that a loser can get a girl he likes. It's about timing and not giving up. Friendship first, lover next.

I agree with you about the movie as well. It has a good message in many ways (not having parents = sad, people who cares is good enough, etc.). Kishi is sending message through Naruto, hence his epic speeches for lots of things. Imagine if he killed Nagato, while it makes sense, it's really not a good sign on his character (proving Sasuke's right, bad role model). Naruto is doing the good deeds and let us believe that his way is the way we should take note.

Correct!! Also as far as we know now after 600 chapters that kishi is a great writer and made an epic story and romance build up, so i dont think hes going to destroy all this with mistakes lilke NH or SS.
Iam sure kishi knows his own manga. He had the whole story in his mind from the beginning and we see how great NS developed till now.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Imagine all those middle schoolers (who Kishi said his manga was aimed for) putting all their faith in Naruto achieving his dreams only for him to reluctantly accept that Sakura will never love him even though he tried so hard.

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Naruto is meant to be a role model, so what would that say of Kishi's validity as a write if he doesn't get Sakura's love? Especially when trying to win over the one you like is one of the things growing teens, who are supposed to be Kishi's target demographic, struggle with the most.

You are treating Sakura like she is an object, a thing, a prize that Naruto deserves to get because he tried so hard, was so nice to her. Women are not prizes for men. No person is entitled to our time, our friendship, our love or our bodies. Naruto is not entitled to Sakura. If Sakura does not fall in love with Naruto, Naruto will just have to accept that with grace and let Sakura be with the person she loves. Sakura is a person, she is not a thing to be gained by some guy. No matter how sweet a guy you are, women don't have to fall in love with you or owe you sex. It might hurt not to be with the person you love, but that's part of life and not some great injustice done to you by kitteny, shallow women. This is, in my opinion, a very good message to send, especially to all those teenage boys. I know that this is not a message that many guys like to hear. That is sort of why they should hear it.

(Off-topic: This is my first post. Hope I get this posted to the right thread and that the post looks good instead of just funny and weird.)

[TerrorKing]

You are treating Sakura like she is an object, a thing, a prize that Naruto deserves to get because he tried so hard, was so nice to her. Women are not prizes for men. No person is entitled to our time, our friendship, our love or our bodies. Naruto is not entitled to Sakura. If Sakura does not fall in love with Naruto, Naruto will just have to accept that with grace and let Sakura be with the person she loves. Sakura is a person, she is not a thing to be gained by some guy. No matter how sweet a guy you are, women don't have to fall in love with you or owe you sex. It might hurt not to be with the person you love, but that's part of life and not some great injustice done to you by kitteny, shallow women. This is, in my opinion, a very good message to send, especially to all those teenage boys. I know that this is not a message that many guys like to hear. That is sort of why they should hear it.

(Off-topic: This is my first post. Hope I get this posted to the right thread and that the post looks good instead of just funny and weird.)

I agree. Just because you're a nice guy or girl, that doens't make you entitled to anything. However, this is more about what kind of message Kishi wants to convey to the audience. It's about showing kids that if they work hard enough, they can achieve anything they set their mind to.

Thus, it's not so much about Naruto getting together with Sakura, but more about sending a positive message. I'm not saying that your message doesn't have any merit, because it most certainly does, but so far, this hasn't been the type of message that Kishi has chosen to convey.

[redragon88]

You are treating Sakura like she is an object, a thing, a prize that Naruto deserves to get because he tried so hard, was so nice to her. Women are not prizes for men. No person is entitled to our time, our friendship, our love or our bodies. Naruto is not entitled to Sakura. If Sakura does not fall in love with Naruto, Naruto will just have to accept that with grace and let Sakura be with the person she loves. Sakura is a person, she is not a thing to be gained by some guy. No matter how sweet a guy you are, women don't have to fall in love with you or owe you sex. It might hurt not to be with the person you love, but that's part of life and not some great injustice done to you by kitteny, shallow women. This is, in my opinion, a very good message to send, especially to all those teenage boys. I know that this is not a message that many guys like to hear. That is sort of why they should hear it.

(Off-topic: This is my first post. Hope I get this posted to the right thread and that the post looks good instead of just funny and weird.)

You know, if you try and read the text again you'll see that I went out of my way to keep it gender neutral when I referred to people and the person they loved, if I only mentioned the boys in some part of my post then it was unintentional. So please try to think carefully next time you want to make this about boys being bitter about the girl they like not liking them back, because my post was more than just that.

Look at the overall message of not giving up that Kishi is trying to convey. This is a lesson that both boys and girls, not just boys, can take to heart when reading the manga. Naruto is the main character so the message is meant to be transmitted from his successes and failures. Kishi went out of his way to give him impossible tasks to achieve because he knew that the harsher the task was the more the audience was gonna be happy and satisfied when he succeeded.

There are many stories about learning to let got and I accept them, I even sometimes enjoy them. And the reason for it is because they work perfectly and beautifully in the story that is trying to be conveyed. But from my point of view, given the overall story, development, parallels, and general message shown Naruto the series is not meant to be one of those stories.

Maybe if during the story Naruto would've build a more stronger relationship with Hinata, even starting to consider her attractive and then liking her a little. Later, as the end reached Naruto would've concluded that Sakura wasn't the one for him and that he better try and be with someone who he can be truly happy with (that being Hinata). Maybe in that scenario letting go would've made more sense, but the problem is that Naruto never had any significant bond forged with Hinata, and most notable of all Naruto doesn't even consider her as a romantic prospect as of this moment.

So far the story has been pretty adamant in telling us that Naruto will always love Sakura and will work hard to make he smile. Maybe Kishi could suddenly start making Naruto pay attention to Hinata, but in all honesty, wouldn't it look just a little forced? At the very least with Sakura, even though she still likes Sasuke, we have seen how she has come to care a lot about Naruto, so her finally falling in love with him wouldn't look like something out of left field.

I understand the message of learning to let go, I really do. I have done it before, and even though it felt hard at the beginning it only served to make me a better person afterwards. The problem is that Naruto is not meant to be one of those stories. Naruto is supposed to inspire people to try and achieve the impossible, even if everyone is against you and it all seems hopeless. That includes the romantic aspect of the hero's story.

I still stand by my original comment about middle schoolers, who are the target demographic Kishi wants to inspire. They're at the age where they're starting to discover love. But sometimes, whether it's boys or girls, they feel afraid to do something about it because of fear of rejection and keep thinking that even trying is a useless endeavor. That's where Naruto's story comes in. They see this silly little boy with big goals and see him slowly make all of those dreams come true, and it's a very satisfying journey (I got as emotional as Iruka when Naruto was acknowledged as Konoha's hero).

Naruto's story gives people inspiration. It's not only about love, it's about all the dreams that you put head of you. It makes you believe you can do it if you try. That's why I believe that not getting together with the one you love in this particular story would be a big blow to the overall message that was trying to be conveyed. Getting Sakura's love sometimes feels as impossible as saving Sasuke, but maybe that was Kishi's intention all along for it. Because when both finally happen then the hero's journey is complete leaving you with the message: "Nothing is impossible if you try, so never give up on your dreams".

There's this nice picture of Naruto and Menma that Kishi drew as thanks to the fans for the success of Road to Ninja in which he wrote the following message: "Thank you to all who have been watching this movie. Please keep supporting our hero, Naruto !"

It's funny how he made the emphasis to let people know that it's the hero he's talking about instead of the sereis. Even Kishi wants us to understand that the character we must cheer for through and through is Naruto. I'm behind whatever Naruto wants to achieve, and from what I take from viewing the story is that the one he wants to be with is Sakura.

Edited by redragon88, 16 October 2012 - 11:56 PM.

[Branden]

You are treating Sakura like she is an object, a thing, a prize that Naruto deserves to get because he tried so hard, was so nice to her. Women are not prizes for men. No person is entitled to our time, our friendship, our love or our bodies. Naruto is not entitled to Sakura. If Sakura does not fall in love with Naruto, Naruto will just have to accept that with grace and let Sakura be with the person she loves. Sakura is a person, she is not a thing to be gained by some guy. No matter how sweet a guy you are, women don't have to fall in love with you or owe you sex. It might hurt not to be with the person you love, but that's part of life and not some great injustice done to you by kitteny, shallow women. This is, in my opinion, a very good message to send, especially to all those teenage boys. I know that this is not a message that many guys like to hear. That is sort of why they should hear it.

(Off-topic: This is my first post. Hope I get this posted to the right thread and that the post looks good instead of just funny and weird.)

you're very out of line here, please delete your post and if you have a problem then send a private message to the person whom you have a problem with. I don't care what your moral beliefs are, posting messages to the public which are bluntly based on stereotypes as well as involving matters which clearly had no business being discussed shouldn't be here. If you want to discuss a theory about NaruSaku or maybe something that actually relates to it then fine. Your post however is more of a pro feminist speech. After you delete your post I'll delete mine aswel. Thank you for your time please think before posting.

inb4 minimod

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

you're very out of line here, please delete your post and if you have a problem then send a private message to the person whom you have a problem with. I don't care what your moral beliefs are, posting messages to the public which are bluntly based on stand ereotypes as well as involving matters which clearly had no business being discussed shouldn't be here. If you want to discuss a theory about NaruSaku or maybe something that actually relates to it then fine. Your post however is more of a pro feminist speech. After you delete your post I'll delete mine aswel. Thank you for your time please think before posting.

inb4 minimod

This
Yes pro feminist, we never said that she was a prize for naruto or that she owe something to naruto, we are saying that for all the things naruto done to her he deserve to be with her, funny thing is even if you are a feminist no matter if sakura loves sasuke or not you should accept that her love of him is wrong after all the bad things he done to her even trying to kill her, this is not right.

Other interesting thing is "It might hurt not to be with the person you love, but that's part of life and not some great injustice done to you by kitteny, shallow women. This is, in my opinion, a very good message to send, especially to all those teenage boys."
Not it's not, just to accept?
I have experienced this myself, i was in love with a girl and all i did was trying to forget her and move on, today even having a girlfriend i feel bad because i did not worked hard , instead i accepted it like a loser if i worked hard i could have a better life than just lying to my girlfriend that i love her and trying to love her despite deep inside a love another woman that i'll never be with her no matter what i do.

Even on a fictionl world, naruto is trying what happens if he fails "good message" no it's not a good message it's saying if u love someome and this person love another guy that treats her like a trash youwill never get with her simply because it's part of the life and it's inevitable you just have to accept that you are a loser and open a lolipop that says "at least she's with the one that she loves".
I dont like this it's the same of transfering responsabilities it blaming the fate or destiny because of your failures, i could not get that girl i love not because of the life but it was my fault and i accept it because it could be different nothign is certain or inevitable, your life is built based on your decisions , blaming "life" because of your failures for me is a loser attitude.

Edited by dovahkiin, 17 October 2012 - 01:37 AM.

[redragon88]

@ Poison_In_Your_Coffee

Naruto getting together with Sakura is not supposed to mean that if you try hard you are entitled to be with the one you like. Naruto getting together with Sakura is supposed to give people encouragement to try and win over the one they like. It gives you the inspiration to make an effort instead of just standing in the background thinking that it would all be hopeless before even trying.

I still don't get where you got the idea that I think Naruto is entitled to Sakura because he was nice to her. Naruto is not entitled to anything. If Sakura didn't want to be kind to Naruto it would look rude but she would be under no obligation to be nice to him and she wouldn't owe anything to him.

Sakura has come to care for Naruto out of her own free will because she appreciates who Naruto is. And I believe she'll come to love him by the end because of the same reasons. Naruto himself has never forced Sakura to love him, that was made very clear during the confession. He wants her to fall in love with him by her own decision and not because she's pressured into it. That is why Naruto is meant to be a role model to young teens.

You are meant to try winning over the one you like even if it seems hard at first, but is also important to remember to think about how they feel and to not pressure them into reluctantly accepting you. That is why Naruto is admirable and that's why it would be a good message for him to get together with Sakura.

Naruto getting together with Sakura is meant to show the importance of trying hard and being considerate to the one you love. People, boy or girl, are meant to follow Naruto's example. It's not about having a sense of entitlement because you're nice and considerate to the one you like, it's about understanding which is the right way to treat the one you like regardless of whether or not they feel the same way as you at the moment.

The lesson if not that if you have Naruto's morality you'll get with whichever person you like, the lesson is that if you have Naruto's morality the person you like could come to like you back if you are determined. If it doesn't happen then it wasn't meant to be, you move on, fall in love again, and maybe this time it will happen, but the most important thing is to never be discouraged.

In this case the problem with Naruto moving on is that Sakura is the only girl he has tried to win over in the story, so she's the only one capable of showing the results of Naruto attitudes toward love. If he would've had multiple love interests that he treated the same way as Sakura then it would be a different story, but Sakura is his only one. We're near the end of the story so Naruto doesn't have the luxury to try all of this again with another girl, not even Hinata. So for this particular story you could say that Sakura is supposed to represent the person you finally get together with after trying so many different times with different people.

If by the end of the story Naruto doesn't get Sakura's love it might discourage people to try and do things Naruto's way since in the end he didn't have anything to show for it. People won't get motivated to try and adopt Naruto's attitudes toward love if by the end of the story he ended up failing. Impressionable teens run the risk of assuming that when you act like Naruto when it come to the one you love that you also will end up with nothing to show for it just like it happened to Naruto. That's why it important for Naruto to get together with his love interest.

Kishimoto wants us to support Naruto, and I'm sure that he wants people to learn about how to deal with the difficulties of life by watch how Naruto does it as well. That's why it's important for Naruto to achieve all of his dreams, even getting together with Sakura.

Edited by redragon88, 17 October 2012 - 02:26 AM.

[Paptala]

Great posts reddragon All very excellently said.

I just wanted to add this in response to Poison's post (and your reply):

As reddragon already said, it is definitely NOT about Naruto being entitled to Sakura because he is the nice guy.

NaruSaku sends the best message to the readers, imo, about romantic relationships. Naruto has already shown a willingness to set his own feelings aside more than once in order to put Sakura's feelings first, something that neither Hinata nor Sakura have done for Naruto or Sasuke respectively (of course, Sakura has done this for Naruto though, just not Sasuke). He came to understand her feelings for Sasuke at the end of part one, and made a promise to bring Sasuke back for her - he was acknowledging and accepting her feelings.

Then, at the summit, even though he clearly still loves Sakura, he didn't accept her love confession, because he knew she wasn't being completely truthful TO HERSELF. Once again, he is taking Sakura's feelings into consideration (shown especially in his conversation with Sai where he was struggling to understand where Sakura was coming from and if she fully understand given what he understood of her feelings at the time).

We haven't just been shown Naruto admiring Sakura's physical beauty (though its quite sweet that he shows attraction to her despite her large forehead and despite the fact that she is not as curvy as other girls their age), we've been shown that Naruto loves her strength, her smarts, and her willingness to stand by him and support him.

There is also the very important fact that Sakura actually appears to have romantic feelings for him in return. I didn't ship NaruSaku until the end of part one/early part two when her feelings for Naruto became more obvious. Thus, it is just as much, if not more so, about the mutuality in feelings as it is about the nature of Naruto's love for Sakura (which reflects a lot of Sakura's love for Naruto currently).

[Rozette]

Great posts reddragon All very excellently said.

I just wanted to add this in response to Poison's post (and your reply):

As reddragon already said, it is definitely NOT about Naruto being entitled to Sakura because he is the nice guy.

NaruSaku sends the best message to the readers, imo, about romantic relationships. Naruto has already shown a willingness to set his own feelings aside more than once in order to put Sakura's feelings first, something that neither Hinata nor Sakura have done for Naruto or Sasuke respectively (of course, Sakura has done this for Naruto though, just not Sasuke). He came to understand her feelings for Sasuke at the end of part one, and made a promise to bring Sasuke back for her - he was acknowledging and accepting her feelings.

Then, at the summit, even though he clearly still loves Sakura, he didn't accept her love confession, because he knew she wasn't being completely truthful TO HERSELF. Once again, he is taking Sakura's feelings into consideration (shown especially in his conversation with Sai where he was struggling to understand where Sakura was coming from and if she fully understand given what he understood of her feelings at the time).

We haven't just been shown Naruto admiring Sakura's physical beauty (though its quite sweet that he shows attraction to her despite her large forehead and despite the fact that she is not as curvy as other girls their age), we've been shown that Naruto loves her strength, her smarts, and her willingness to stand by him and support him.

There is also the very important fact that Sakura actually appears to have romantic feelings for him in return. I didn't ship NaruSaku until the end of part one/early part two when her feelings for Naruto became more obvious. Thus, it is just as much, if not more so, about the mutuality in feelings as it is about the nature of Naruto's love for Sakura (which reflects a lot of Sakura's love for Naruto currently).

I completely agree with this 100%.

I believe that NaruSaku being a definite representation of inspiration to the audience (like Naruto's entire character) is still yet only the outer coating to the relationship. Deeply rooted at the heart of it is the incredible mutual passion, intimacy, trust and understanding of unconditional love, though some of this may not be consciously recognized by Sakura yet. This has been clearly shown on both sides, and is the only relationship in the entire manga that represents this kind of love, besides Minato and Kushina. NaruSaku, however, was developed much deeper than MinaKushi and is the pivotal aspect of love romantically speaking.

[Branden]

I disagree. I never viewed NaruSaku as insperation.

I always viewed it as the shining jewel of happiness and love in an otherwise depressing pain filled manga.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I was away for a whole day. Now that I'm here, I saw all the posts that I missed and let me just say this to redragon88....

YOU'RE THE BEST!!!!!!

I don't know what to say but thank you for posting that great post of yours. I like to thank to all the other posts as well. Really great stuff I see.

We got to remember one thing, Naruto started off wrong as in not a good person. Well, more like a good person doing bad deeds. He started off very immature. He does pranks, he ask Sakura out without getting to know her well let alone rushing the process, think he's better than Kakashi and Sasuke right away, etc. As the manga goes on and on, we watched his growth and matures greatly. By the end of part 1, we the audience noticed that he has really matured a lot than we would have expect. To me, when I saw him walking away from Sakura hugging Sasuke, that tells me that he has grown greatly. If he was back in chapter 1, he will be loud mouth and actually be rude to the moment.

Part 2 started off showing Naruto's growth. While he is still Naruto, he is more understanding and thus, his epic speeches has evolved. From the time he explained his hatred on people looking down on Jinchuuriki as a weapon to the current arc, many people around him always feel his emotions greatly, which in some case change their feelings. Since the beginning of the manga, he has the power to change people's minds and feelings and it's been proven so many times. That said Sakura is no different. She is part of the group that changes by Naruto. The thing is that she keeps growing by Naruto's actions. He is the influence to her growth. She has changed drastically to the point that she deeply cares for him, which is now seen as more than a friend.

Naruto represents us in the way Kishi written. We can start off as a immature brat who think we know any better. But as time goes by, it's time to start to think, what is it that we wanted to do for our future? What makes us as a good person? Can dream come true? What is it that we need to reach our dreams? Naruto is showing us that now: determination. What if that dream doesn't come true? Naruto is showing us that now: Never give up. As I said long time ago, Naruto is dealing with different variety of bonds. Sasuke for best friends/brothers, Kakashi for teacher, Iruka for father-figure (making him proud), Sakura for love interest. Naruto only needs one bond type for one person, not multiple one like more than one love interest. Trust me, Kishi didn't only focus love, he's focusing everything that goes to his theme: bonds.

[narulsaku]

you are not back any way narusaku4life3g . you are a great shipper. so are we talking about narutos attitude. or something else. i remain very busy so i fell behind often.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

First of all, thanks for all the replies. Special thanks to you, Branden. Always feel so welcomed around here. You know, some might think that feminism is a good thing and not at all incompatible with the NS Pairing.

So anyway, I will try to answer to all of your replies. It's gonna take a while: I really want my reply to be as good and clear as possible. Just wanted to let you know that I'm not going anywhere and will reply. I try to get my post up later this evening (but am making no promises, I started to write it, and my god is it long already) so now you all have something to look forward to, no? (That was a joke.)

Thanks for your patience and loving welcome.

Edit. I thought to post one reply already since I am a little confused.

Naruto has already shown a willingness to set his own feelings aside more than once in order to put Sakura's feelings first, something that neither Hinata nor Sakura have done for Naruto or Sasuke respectively (of course, Sakura has done this for Naruto though, just not Sasuke). He came to understand her feelings for Sasuke at the end of part one, and made a promise to bring Sasuke back for her - he was acknowledging and accepting her feelings.

Well... exactly. This is what I'm talking about. Naruto being willing to accept that Sakura may have someone else that she wants, loves. Naruto stepping out of the way. Naruto not believing that he is entitled to her. Perhaps this is something that will happen to solve the romantic plot? Naruto steps aside and message is sent: good men accept women's decisions and respect their choices in life. redragon88 asked what kind of message Naruto not getting Sakura could possible send and I replied with one example. So I'm a little confused. Are you and I disagreeing? I feel the rest of your post was kind of irrelevant to my original point.

Edit 2.

You know, I'm gonna go ahead and post the little I wrote already. My main reply is to redragon88 anyway, so perhaps it's more simple if I reply to the rest of you and to him(?) in separate post.

TerrorKing said:

I agree. Just because you're a nice guy or girl, that doens't make you entitled to anything. However, this is more about what kind of message Kishi wants to convey to the audience. It's about showing kids that if they work hard enough, they can achieve anything they set their mind to.

And you don't think that it's a bit problematic that that "anything" you can achieve also incluces a human being, a girl? I don't so much think that this "you can achieve anything" is a horrible message as I think that it has this problematic feel to it. It basically tells all the men that women will always be available to them, as long as they try hard enough. Not true that, is it?

Rest of replies are for Dovahkiin, though I question whether they have anything do to with the actual subject...

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Yes pro feminist, we never said that she was a prize for naruto or that she owe something to naruto, we are saying that for all the things naruto done to her he deserve to be with her, funny thing is even if you are a feminist no matter if sakura loves sasuke or not you should accept that her love of him is wrong after all the bad things he done to her even trying to kill her, this is not right.

You know, I never said anything about Sasuke and Sakura. How do you know what I believe about the pairing? I do think that SS has some very problematic parts in it. However, this being an NS forum and all that, I thought to discuss it and the problems I see in NS.

I have experienced this myself, i was in love with a girl and all i did was trying to forget her and move on, today even having a girlfriend i feel bad because i did not worked hard , instead i accepted it like a loser if i worked hard i could have a better life than just lying to my girlfriend that i love her and trying to love her despite deep inside a love another woman that i'll never be with her no matter what i do.

Why do you view yourself as a loser just because some woman did not fall in love with you? You are not a loser because of that. You were just unlucky. You demonstrate, IMO, very well what is wrong with this "nice good guy gets the girl" attitude: it also makes the men involved feel like losers if they don't "get the girl", so to speak.

no it's not a good message it's saying if u love someome and this person love another guy that treats her like a trash youwill never get with her simply because it's part of the life and it's inevitable you just have to accept that you are a loser and open a lolipop that says "at least she's with the one that she loves".

No, sweetie. This message is supposed to say that men are not losers just because they didn't get the girl. You worth is not decided by getting the girl. Your worth is decided by how you treat your fellow humans beings.

Sorry, redragon88, for the wait. I just think that your post deserves to have a clear reply and some clarifications from me. Unfortunately, this will take some time. Hope you don't mind.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 18 October 2012 - 01:25 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well... exactly. This is what I'm talking about. Naruto being willing to accept that Sakura may have someone else that she wants, loves. Naruto stepping out of the way. Naruto not believing that he is entitled to her. Perhaps this is something that will happen to solve the romantic plot? Naruto steps aside and message is sent: good men accept women's decisions and respect their choices in life. Reddragon asked what kind of message Naruto not getting Sakura could possible send and I replied with one example. So I'm a little confused. Are you and I disagreeing? I feel the rest of your post was kind of irrelevant to my original point.

No, because naruto already stated on previous chapters that he will confess his feelings for her and he knows that she loves sasuke but it's not something that would stop him of confessing to her, the same apllied to obito but he could not confess his feelings because of the situation, the reason of naruto not confessing for sakura is because of the promise and he feels that if he cant keep the promise he made to her he does not deserve her love or something like this.

And is already show on sakura confession that she will accept naruto's confession.

ADD

that lover nin stated it too, despite her love for sasuke that letter and that random ninja stateme.nt made her think about her feelings, sasuke is not a great guy to be with
and plus we have obito's example rin died at the hands of kakashi the guy that she loved and sakura almost had the same fate.

Edited by dovahkiin, 18 October 2012 - 01:26 PM.

[narulsaku]

hi there poison in your coffee .you should introduce in yourself at ninja academy enrolment . i am sure that you ll be welcomed.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

No, because naruto already stated on previous chapters that he will confess his feelings for her and he knows that she loves sasuke but it's not something that would stop him of confessing to her, the same apllied to obito but he could not confess his feelings because of the situation, the reason of naruto not confessing for sakura is because of the promise and he feels that if he cant keep the promise he made to her he does not deserve her love or something like this.

And is already show on sakura confession that she will accept naruto's confession.

ADD

that lover nin stated it too, despite her love for sasuke that letter and that random ninja stateme.nt made her think about her feelings, sasuke is not a great guy to be with
and plus we have obito's example rin died at the hands of kakashi the guy that she loved and sakura almost had the same fate.

Sure, Naruto can confess. I just mean that if Sakura will say "no thanks, I have someone else", Naruto will accept that and walk away and try to be happy for her. Love Letter Ninja Guy in chapters 539 and 540, I believe, had to do that because Sakura had someone else, no? Whether Sasuke is worthy of Sakura's love is not really relevant to my point, I don't think.

Thanks, narulsaku. I think I will do just that.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 18 October 2012 - 01:29 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sure, Naruto can confess. I just mean that if Sakura will say \"no thanks, I have someone else\", Naruto will accept that and walk away and try to be happy for her. Love Letter Ninja Guy in chapters 539 and 540, I believe, had to do that because Sakura had someone else, no? Whether Sasuke is worthy of Sakura\'s love is not really relevant to my point, I don\'t think.

Thanks, narulsaku. I think I will do just that.

do you really think she would say \"no thanks, I have someome else\"?
this phrase is common when someome that you never met before comes to you and says i love you.

when sai told her that naruto loved her her first reaction was thinking deeply about that promise and when he said that he felt the same way he was feeling.

Love Letter Ninja Guy in chapters 539 and 540, I believe, had to do that because Sakura had someone else, no? Whether Sasuke is worthy of Sakura\'s love is not really relevant to my point, I don\'t think.

As i said before it was obvious that she said it to dispatch the guy.

relevant or not is relevant sakura thinks she does not deserve naruto's love ;so the problem is what make her think that sasuke deserve her love?, i hope it's not the case of feminist logic.

Edited by dovahkiin, 18 October 2012 - 01:45 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

do you really think she would say \"no thanks, I have someome else\"?
this phrase is common when someome that you never met before comes to you and says i love you.

when sai told her that naruto loved her her first reaction was thinking deeply about that promise and when he said that he felt the same way he was feeling.



As i said before it was obvious that she said it to dispatch the guy.

relevant or not is relevant sakura thinks she does not deserve naruto's love so the problem is what make her think that sasuke deserve her love, i hope it's not the case of feminist logic.

No, I don't really think that "no thanks" will be an actual reply, word to word. I just meant to illustrate to you what sort of response Naruto might get. The idea is that Naruto will get rejected and instead of getting angry he will accept Sakura's choice like the Love Letter Filler Ninja Dude did. I'm not sayind that NS will not happen. I am offering to you an example what might happen IF NS does not happen. You get me? I have no idea what you are trying to say with your last part about feminist logic, though it's hardly original to suggest that feminists are not rational.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 18 October 2012 - 01:49 PM.

[Paptala]

Well... exactly. This is what I'm talking about. Naruto being willing to accept that Sakura may have someone else that she wants, loves. Naruto stepping out of the way. Naruto not believing that he is entitled to her. Perhaps this is something that will happen to solve the romantic plot? Naruto steps aside and message is sent: good men accept women's decisions and respect their choices in life. redragon88 asked what kind of message Naruto not getting Sakura could possible send and I replied with one example. So I'm a little confused. Are you and I disagreeing? I feel the rest of your post was kind of irrelevant to my original point.

I'm saying that it is because Naruto shows such respect for Sakura's feelings that he is a good match for her romantically. He doesn't need to step aside as he has already done so; if Sakura reciprocates the feelings that Naruto already has, there's nothing harmful about it. It sends a message that respecting other people's feelings is part of genuine love, and not something that should ever be forced (which the manga implies, and the anime states outright about Naruto's feelings for Sakura -> "Sure nothing would make me happier than to have her choose me. But I would never force her to love me. As long as she's happy, I'll be happy").

I love Sakura's character, and want her to be with someone who loves her, and respects her, and whom she also loves back. I want her to be with someone who wants nothing more than her happiness, and whom she feels the same for in return. If it was just about the other guy treating her good and ignoring her feelings entirely, I would ship her with Lee (who is also very good to her, but whom she has not shown any romantic feelings for in return).

I'm not understanding how NaruSaku becoming canon is in anyway anti-feminist.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No, I don't really think that "no thanks" will be an actual reply, word to word. I just meant to illustrate to you what sort of response Naruto might get. The idea is that Naruto will get rejected and instead of getting angry he will accept Sakura's choice like the Love Letter Filler Ninja Dude did. I'm not sayind that NS will not happen. I am offering to you an example what might happen IF NS does not happen. You get me? I have no idea what you are trying to say with your last part about feminist logic, though it's hardly original to suggest that feminist are not rational.

I understand where you got to, but if it happens naruto would deal with a real problem he's not going to get angry he is not a type of person like this but i do think he would not become someome fully happy, i think it's obvious when you look at jiraya, i really doubt that he would find someome else, because the line whne he says " i hate when people lie to themselves" the same would apply to naruto and hinata, naruto does not have romantic feelings towards hinata wich some fans claim this, my conclusion is if sakura reject naruto he will fail and furthermore would not be fully happy and moreover will not stay with hinata because he does not have any romantic feelings towards her and if he get with her he would lie to himself and will be hipocrit this lead to a conclusion of it's NS or nothing.