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#50321 ichigo500

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 05:51 PM

 

The Last is expected to premiere in 7 different countries - all of them having a large following behind nH and Hinata in general. It's obvious that Pierrot took into account the detriment they would encounter with a film dedicated to a character and a relationship that's mostly admired in the otaku and Western circles.

 

Defending isn't the same as supporting. The followings behind those relationships will not be the only ones reading the spin-off and watching the film. A portion of the neutral fandom remains and the casuals aren't too concerned with narrative integrity because they only go to the theatres to watch Naruto once a year.

Don't forget that it will be published in WSJ ! People will always buy it, even if it isn't for Naruto ! So they'll surely try it ! 

The real matter will be if people are gonna be buying the volumes and watching the movie ! I don't think they will buy tickets before the movie release as they did with the last, but if someone says that "Sasuke was amazing in the movie" then people will go watch it ! 

maybe "Naruto" (the character) did loose a lot of fans, just like Kishi, but Sasuke and Kakashi didn't ! 


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 05:52 PM

Yeah !!! Plus, since when we don't hear the main character speech about HOW he will bring peace to the world? ! We only heard Sasuke's version (and madara's...and Pain's ) Naruto never exposed his plan...

We can see that Kishi, at some point (maybe after Pain's arc), had no idea about how to continue his manga, about how Naruto would bring peace to the world or whatever ! (the only thing he was sure about, is about how he would draw Naruto and Sasuke's fight...when you say you'll end the manga by showing that fight, it makes you think that this manga wasn't about Naruto becoming hokage, but Naruto bringing back Sasuke ) 

Another thing is that, we never saw Naruto becoming Hokage  and people acclaiming him during that moment, especially since it was Naruto's goal from the beginning ! I would have been less angry if I was able to see that ! 

 

That's how I feel too. I mean, even after he beat Pain, there was people who wanted Naruto to be named Hokage, showing what Itachi said about how people are acknowledge to be Hokage, not the other way around. Just like Minato had Kushina with him as well as lots of other people acknowledging him for his actions. But it feels cheated when Kakashi just was essentially a placeholder as Hokage until Naruto got the title. =/ Which is why I am more pissed now that I think about it. Especially since there's no real reason for it all... and it just spits on the work Kishimoto-sensei did. T_T This whole thing is gonna break me again! I NEED A HUG!!! AND MAYBE A KISS!!!



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Posted 09 January 2015 - 05:55 PM

Speaking of NH fans, I had an incident on Twitter with a few Jp fans, where I was told I was being mistaken as a NH spy due my lack of Twitter knowledge, it's all cleared up and I somewhat became friends with them...felt like a jerk because they came to apologize to me at once :sweatdrop: I didn't know NH fans do that to JP fans though

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 05:56 PM

 

The Last is expected to premiere in 7 different countries - all of them having a large following behind nH and Hinata in general. It's obvious that Pierrot took into account the detriment they would encounter with a film dedicated to a character and a relationship that's mostly admired in the otaku and Western circles.

 

Defending isn't the same as supporting. The followings behind those relationships will not be the only ones reading the spin-off and watching the film. A portion of the neutral fandom remains and the casuals aren't too concerned with narrative integrity because they only go to the theatres to watch Naruto once a year.

 

Your still talking about a lost of potentially 60-70 percent of your market, and for what? The more the idea is presented, what I think happened is this. They took what they believed to be the most rabbid aspect of the fanbase, appealed to them, and are now going to rely on them, well they also are attempting to appeal to a newer younger demographic. Which is why they are shifting the focus onto another "knuckle headed" young ninja, who comes from a home that doesn't "understand him", which is the most vanilla background you can give a protagonist directed towards tweens.

 

I just think it's a stupid marketing idea, and I don't see how they are going to make up for what they've lost.



 


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 05:58 PM

You know now that I think about it, 698 is total garbage. I got caught up in the nostalgia and feels. It would have been fine if we got a serious follow up conversation between Naruto and Sasuke and Sasuke still sticking to his goals.... but nothing! Absolutely nothing! He dropped all of them just like that. That could have led to them coming to a compromise on how to fix the system or something. 699 could have been about that conversation and Team 7 rescuing them. Cue in The Last which would be about Naruto and Sasuke fixing the system. I guess logic doesn't exist anymore. 
 
Sasuke is the MC and Hinata is the heroine! Uchiha and Hyuga bloodlines FTW. :zaru:

This hurts me lol I love Sasuke though I see his faults and when I saw spoilers, I couldn't read the chapter...they ruined what I liked about Sasuke

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:05 PM

So this is what we will probably get to see from Sakura in Part 3.

Fanart Part 3 Sakura

G . I . N . T . A . M .A

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:07 PM

So this is what we will probably get to see from Sakura in Part 3.

Fanart Part 3 Sakura

She's so pretty!

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:08 PM

So this is what we will probably get to see from Sakura in Part 3.

Fanart Part 3 Sakura

 

I hear that about the outfit. It feels ODD for Sakura.



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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:10 PM

 

That's how I feel too. I mean, even after he beat Pain, there was people who wanted Naruto to be named Hokage, showing what Itachi said about how people are acknowledge to be Hokage, not the other way around. Just like Minato had Kushina with him as well as lots of other people acknowledging him for his actions. But it feels cheated when Kakashi just was essentially a placeholder as Hokage until Naruto got the title. =/ Which is why I am more pissed now that I think about it. Especially since there's no real reason for it all... and it just spits on the work Kishimoto-sensei did. T_T This whole thing is gonna break me again! I NEED A HUG!!! AND MAYBE A KISS!!!

Here a kiss and a hug :'')  :smooch:  :hug:

Exactly ! Why would Kakashi become hokage in the first place ? that's so OOC ! Just to make another Obito's wish come true ? Naruto was old and mature enough to become hokage... and the youngest one, that would be great !

As I said before, they only did that so Naruto can be free enough to save Hinakittens...but once again, that won't explain WHY Kakashi became Hokage, since Tsunade was still alive ! 

 

 

You know now that I think about it, 698 is total garbage. I got caught up in the nostalgia and feels. It would have been fine if we got a serious follow up conversation between Naruto and Sasuke and Sasuke still sticking to his goals.... but nothing! Absolutely nothing! He dropped all of them just like that. That could have led to them coming to a compromise on how to fix the system or something. 699 could have been about that conversation and Team 7 rescuing them. Cue in The Last which would be about Naruto and Sasuke fixing the system. I guess logic doesn't exist anymore. 

 

Sasuke is the MC and Hinata is the heroine! Uchiha and Hyuga bloodlines FTW. :zaru:

Same here ! When I read chapter 698, I was  :wibble:  

But people comments here just opened my eyes ! Sasuke was ruined in one chapter ! (Kishi should write a book : how to ruin your characters development in one chapter ) I'll always like the fact that Sasuke was always jealous of Naruto (even if we already knew that in part one ) and that he was part of his family ! But Sasuke not cooperating with Naruto was a huge mistake ! that would help stop the cycle of hatred, instead of using "vegetable" and "Burrito" in part three  !! 

Two months after that f****** ending, and I'm still angry !  :argh:  :argh:  :argh:  :argh:  :argh:  :argh:


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:11 PM

Speaking of NH fans, I had an incident on Twitter with a few Jp fans, where I was told I was being mistaken as a NH spy due my lack of Twitter knowledge, it's all cleared up and I somewhat became friends with them...felt like a jerk because they came to apologize to me at once :sweatdrop: I didn't know NH fans do that to JP fans though

Eeeehh what happened if I may ask ! What did NH fans did...again ? 


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:12 PM

She's so pretty!

Right?! Bet those Hinata fanboys out there will forget Hinata's boobs and only have eyes for a genuine beauty like Sakura in Part 3.


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:14 PM

Here a kiss and a hug :'')  :smooch:  :hug:

Exactly ! Why would Kakashi become hokage in the first place ? that's so OOC ! Just to make another Obito's wish come true ? Naruto was old and mature enough to become hokage... and the youngest one, that would be great !

 

:3 Thanks a lot :blush: :smooch: :hug:

 

The only thing Naruto lacked to be a Kage really would be careful decision making. Given he dived head first into the war when he learned about it, feeling he had to do everything alone to honor Jiraiya's wishes as well as to honor what Nagato fought for. But I wish it was confirmed too why Kakashi finally accepted a role as Hokage as well as letting go of his past mistakes...



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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:15 PM

Wow, from 75 to 105 notes, I have no idea why this post:

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Grew...

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:20 PM

FIREFOOOXXXXXXX :argh: Where the hell are you mannnn!!!!!! :argh:

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:25 PM

So this is what we will probably get to see from Sakura in Part 3.

Fanart Part 3 Sakura

Oversexualised Sakura ! Even though she's pretty (I mean she's always pretteeeyyy ) it's...not the same girl anymore ! Just like Naruto, she completely changed ! Plus I don't like the way they used to make her maybe more popular ! 

More panels and more fights would have been enough to make her more appreciated by the fans who apparently "don't like her" 


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:25 PM

Who's this? This ain't Sakura :hm: 

The Sakura delusional SS envision her to be in the future.

G . I . N . T . A . M .A

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:26 PM

Eeeehh what happened if I may ask ! What did NH fans did...again ?

I don't know what they did exactly but I was told they would post stuffs like how they did here with you guys....Since I had nothing on my Twitter because I am not a smart person, I was blocked til the Jp fan who spoke English informed me and helped me out :) She's really nice! Btw may I follow you on Twitter? :D

Who's this? This ain't Sakura :hm:

RTN Sakura? Or Recton Sakura :pimp:

Right?! Bet those Hinata fanboys out there will forget Hinata's boobs and only have eyes for a genuine beauty like Sakura in Part 3.

Sakura has always been beautiful, people were just being shallow :o

Wow, from 75 to 105 notes, I have no idea why this post:
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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:26 PM

Funny how they believed they can hit 20 million. So damn cocky, aren't we. Got to love the exposure of aiming at USA.

Funny how bad movies usually start badly as in "oh that joke was terrible..." or "Wait, that didn't happen!" I guess they really do tell you to refund or embrace the pain.

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:31 PM

Who's this? This ain't Sakura :hm:

Now with this new outfit  i want to say that I am living in par2 forever and ever.


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:33 PM

Don't forget that it will be published in WSJ ! People will always buy it, even if it isn't for Naruto ! So they'll surely try it ! 

The real matter will be if people are gonna be buying the volumes and watching the movie ! I don't think they will buy tickets before the movie release as they did with the last, but if someone says that "Sasuke was amazing in the movie" then people will go watch it ! 

maybe "Naruto" (the character) did loose a lot of fans, just like Kishi, but Sasuke and Kakashi didn't ! 

 

Subscriptions to WSJ does not comprise the majority of sales and revenue for Kishi. I would legimitely surprised if the total was greater than a third of their income overall. But it's as you explained it. While the general cast of characters from this new generation may not be the prime motivational factor that's resulting in a large turnout, Sasuke's compelling and foreboding presence as the repentant warrior with the strength and guile from his days as an avenger will cause the box office to swell up to at least a standard profit amount.

 

Speaking of NH fans, I had an incident on Twitter with a few Jp fans, where I was told I was being mistaken as a NH spy due my lack of Twitter knowledge, it's all cleared up and I somewhat became friends with them...felt like a jerk because they came to apologize to me at once :sweatdrop: I didn't know NH fans do that to JP fans though

 

Now why are Japanese fans being targeted if the vast majority are supporting of Kishi's finale in the manga? These people sound embittered and vindictive because not everyone is bending their knees in supplication to forgive their stupidity in ever believing that Hinata and her obsession with Naruto would not become the centre of the universe in the end.

 

 

Your still talking about a lost of potentially 60-70 percent of your market, and for what? The more the idea is presented, what I think happened is this. They took what they believed to be the most rabbid aspect of the fanbase, appealed to them, and are now going to rely on them, well they also are attempting to appeal to a newer younger demographic. Which is why they are shifting the focus onto another "knuckle headed" young ninja, who comes from a home that doesn't "understand him", which is the most vanilla background you can give a protagonist directed towards tweens.

 

I just think it's a stupid marketing idea, and I don't see how they are going to make up for what they've lost.

 

They're turning to the West and various other regions of the world to maintain their franchise now. Hinata fandom may be a fringe concept in Japan, but in other countries she's likely to be the most popular female character in Naruto. Pierrot is taking a large gamble in hoping that they will offer financial and social stability from here on out, as you already mentioned.

 

It's more than just a rehashing of the old concepts to draw in youth. This movie was the first push in a direction that extends past the boundaries of typical shonen drama. Kishi and Pierrot are hoping to expand the series to a wider audience by incorporating foreign elements that appeal to other demographics.

 

So this is what we will probably get to see from Sakura in Part 3.

Fanart Part 3 Sakura

 

The only word that comes to mind is "disgusting". Kishi did not have to degrade Sakura into an object of perversion and vice for her to be deemed a positive character. If he could have just incorporated Sakura more into the core events of the story - make her stronger, more understandable to the people, a girl who is capable of moving beyond her childish affections, and realising the things and people that make her most happy, that would have helped change the general perception of her.

 

This is just a flimsy attempt at getting more attention for Sakura by sexualising her with cheap characteristics that never fit who she was. What happened to Kishi's protectiveness of her? The modesty of her appearance is something that he used to take great pride in.

 

The Sakura from the Kazekage Rescue arc is the woman that people wanted to see, not some mentally childish floozy with a glaring emphasis on sex appeal like Ino.







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