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[Gravenimage]

Oh dear God here we go again with Sakura's confession.

 

I won't even bother because I'm sick of people still saying she was lying when Kishimoto himself stated he was making an "honest and surprisingly stubborn girl". 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Oh dear God here we go again with Sakura's confession.

 

I won't even bother because I'm sick of people still saying she was lying when Kishimoto himself stated he was making an "honest and surprisingly stubborn girl". 

He never stated that sorry, and this depend on the point of view.

"Making an honest and surprisingly stubbon girl" doesnt mean that she was honest on her speech, it makes sense that it's about her expression on the confession, she make a confession with that expression not like someome who's harsh and ignorant like the VA told about kishi.

THe va also said that she tried to manipulate Naruto's feelings and he didnt replied to that with a "No" or something like that.

 

What Kishi tried to point out is that the readers used the confession to bash her character when he made her to see that she did that for Naruto, not to prejudice or cheat him, this is the impression he wanted to pass but he was told that the readers were angry and disappointed at her character like the VA.

 

VA : "Sakura tried to manipulate Naruto's feelings and she was kind of harsh with that guy"

Kishi : "I thought i figure out i'd placed her on a heroine situation, that i despicted her as an honest girl with an surprisingly stubborn impression"

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 August 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[Inferno180]

Here is another thing I think I should explain:

 

Remember during the past 3 or so years when "NaruSaku was dead after 469" as many claimed?

 

During 469, 540, and 615 yes NS was hit hard, people thought it would be positive but these other things occurred making it seem like NaruSaku was impossible. Yet people like me and others said, "The story has a long way to go, lets see what happens." Others opposing NS said each time, "The story goes on and no NS stuff." Well, there was a reason for this, the 4th war arc, Naruto and Sakura had no interaction following the news of Tsunade recovering from her coma. What this did was leave an ambiguous debate over if Naruto really did get over Sakura or not. The Kushina came in and the foreshadow began.

 

In the times NS was said to be dead, there was too much left unanswered and Naruto and Sakura had not had any interaction for a while. Our answer was simply, we needed to wait until more was revealed for their own interaction, they got back just recently in the time frame of the manga compared to the real world divide which was almost a year, unless we count Naruto's clones who helped everyone on the battlefield as interaction then it was minor until they all joined the real one fighting Obito. The case of the matter is, for our pairing, we simply needed more information, for NS considered dead there were a few things not adding up, Kushina seemed to be very similar towards Sakura, and it would just be too easy for a pairing build to go that way with NH having an open route if NS was dead and just had SS slapped to the side for hardly anything. We waited, we got our answer with 631.

 

NaruSaku was never really dead, it was just left unaddressed for a while, NS cannot occur without both of them. We got our answer and kishi put more on Kushinas forshadow with Minato. Now what is it I'm trying to say here exactly? Because of 631 with both Minato and Naruto displaying he still likes Sakura, this has become the same thing other fandoms are waiting on now, something that turns the events towards their favor, but unlike us we had time to wait, 3 years. 3 years is a good deal of time. We had 2 years guessing with Kushina and now it came to the light. With Kushina's foreshadow what is it the NH and SS crowds are looking for?

 

What I mean is, all camps needed info for NS to be dead, it was proven to be alive and well from 631, but because this occured after a massive moment like 615 for NH and 635 shook SS fans to the core, what is it they expect at this point to give their pairings the chance they need? What do they need to overtake NS espcially now that the story is late, the pairng itself has the majority of the development, and the Kushina foreshadow has fallen on Sakura?

 

Basically what is it these camps are exactly hoping comes true? Kushina's foreshadow was a big thing, both NS and NH made peace in that they could both agree there would be an end pairing with Naruto and a girl like Kushina, and so far the girl closest to Kushina is Sakura, being the only girl compared. So when 631 came out and others started to say it was a joke, Kushina was wrong, or it means NS is kushina kushina, this is a problem in NH itself now. The only way NH can be right is if Kushina's words simply meant just finding a girl like her and thats it, nothing for love, in that case then Naruto already found a girl like her, Sakura. But NH still occurs like that. However this is not going to happen. Kushina made it clear, there is an end pairing, Kishi said this years ago, he would have one case of the unrequited love returned. So far because Sasuke has not changed at all towards Sakura since day 1, and since Naruto and Hinata have had minimal gains, I'd say so far that after all their development, Sakura and the feelings she has at least returned in a decent amount to Naruto, even as friendship is still years ahead of the other 2. Not starting to trust Sasuke is another major development for her, so much for her fangirling as people claimed.

 

At this point with the story nearing the end, the second to last major battle against juubito. This leaves less time for longevity development. SS could not do that since Sasuke ran away, NH had plenty of opportunities though, plenty, anytime Kishi could have used Sakura, he could have also used Hinata. But again it was Naruto and Sakura, not Hinata. Hinata got 2 major moments but practically no smaller developments, basically nothing to use in the gradual long run, only depending on the sudden boosts. This does not help the NH case of claiming to be the most developed when she suddenly gets a moment and then gets pushed back to hardly anything. Again pain events occurred, she vanishes for a long time without any real importance. 615 occurs, she holds Naruto's hand but then the moment is instantly untouched. 633, she gets memories of the recent event from 615 but that entire display of her just learning the 64 palms right there, what exactly are we expecting from her character at this point? Aside from gaining confidence in herself, what lingers for Hinata? 633 felt like filler because it didn't do anything in the long run for these other chapters recently, just basically showing that the other K11 still exist, mainly team 8 still exists. Now with Hinata on recon duty, unless some shift comes soon, she may just be a lookout until something happens to Obito or something else comes along. Even then what Shikamaru said, a small amount of power can change the world, he is referring to everyone else, its going to be some spirit bomb like moment where everyone chips in, not anyone alone.

 

But at this point, what is NH looking for exactly? Kushina is said to be like Sakura from Minato himself, Naruto still loves Sakura, Sakura is starting to not trust Sasuke (biggest issue for SS), and the story itself is near done, the battle leaves hardly anytime for romance (even then we have seen rin constantly and we know who she highly relates too, don't be surprised if some NS moment happens in a few weeks not meaning that dumb 645 rumor but just plain any future chapter around this battle since Rin seems to be important enough to be brought up again and again). Not to mention the biggest of all, when it comes to Naruto vs Sasuke, how is Sakura going to feel? About the aspect of them dying? As things like these keep occuring, NH is getting locked out more and SS is near its last legs. So what could possibly exist for a turnabout from 631 that these pairings want that makes sense and does not harm the story? Kushina cannot be relabeled to Hinata, Sasuke cannot suddenly love Sakura, Sakura cannot stay 100% Sasuke focused, Naruto cannot just go loving HInata out of nowhere or just give up on Sakura. So what is it NH and SS are looking for at this point?

[Gravenimage]

He never stated that sorry, and this depend on the point of view.

"Making an honest and surprisingly stubbon girl" doesnt mean that she was honest on her speech, it makes sense that it's about her expression on the confession, she make a confession with that expression not like someome who's harsh and ignorant like the VA told about kishi.

THe va also said that she tried to manipulate Naruto's feelings and he didnt replied to that with a "No" or something like that.

 

What Kishi tried to point out is that the readers used the confession to bash her character when he made her to see that she did that for Naruto, not to prejudice or cheat him, this is the impression he wanted to pass but he was told

that the readers were angry and disappointed at her character like the VA.

 

Show me proof then, link please.

Edited by Gravenimage, 03 August 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Show me proof then, link please.

Seiyuu: "Sakura had always been worried about Naruto, but her actions towards Naruto seem to have a different feel from before, she seems very anxious about Naruto...

Kishimoto:

"As for Sakura... Sasuke... what about Sasuke? Naruto is close and she worries about Naruto as well, but as expected, she [loves] Sasuke.

Seiyuu: Because of this, she acted quite [1]haughty towards that guy.
[2]She used Naruto's love for her and told him she loved him.

Kishimoto:[2] On the contrary....[1] I felt like depicting an honest girl, with a surprisingly stubborn impression.

But from the readers I was told harshly that she wasn't heroin-ish at all

 

link : http://www.narusaku....ic=11091&page=4

 

1 -  She didnt acted haughty towards Naruto, she acted like an honest girl with an surprisingly stubborn impression.

2 -  Sakura didnt used Naruto's love for her own sake

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 August 2013 - 02:31 PM.

[Dkey]

OK I want to ask something. Firstly did ever Sakura use a honorific with Naruto and if not why then? Is it insulting in Japan to not use one? Like calling someone older or in a more respectable position than you by his first name?

And secondly for the -chan part. Could she have figured out by herself that Naruto called her with the honorific -chan because he loved or did she assume he was teasing her.

[Gravenimage]

OK I want to ask something. Firstly did ever Sakura use a honorific with Naruto and if not why then? Is it insulting in Japan to not use one? Like calling someone older or in a more respectable position than you by his first name?

And secondly for the -chan part. Could she have figured out by herself that Naruto called her with the honorific -chan because he loved or did she assume he was teasing her.

 

Actually no. Check a few pages back I posted an explanation of usage in honorific taken from wikipedia. It says something that not using an honorific on a person has more meaning in intimacy.

Edited by Gravenimage, 03 August 2013 - 02:27 PM.

[Dkey]

 

Actually no. Check a few pages back I posted an explanation of usage in honorific taken from wikipedia. It says something that not using an honorific on a person has more meaning in intimacy.

Yeah I read that but did she felt intimate with Naruto when she felt he was annoying. That's what I wanted to find out. We all know the trust and intimacy she feels when it comes to Naruto came after a while

[megi]

OK I want to ask something. Firstly did ever Sakura use a honorific with Naruto and if not why then? Is it insulting in Japan to not use one? Like calling someone older or in a more respectable position than you by his first name?
And secondly for the -chan part. Could she have figured out by herself that Naruto called her with the honorific -chan because he loved or did she assume he was teasing her.

Firstly we must remember that in media, these suffixes are usually used more liberally. I don't think Sakura has called him with one, but it is not as an insult more more of an informality. Naruto uses -chan suffix is somewhat like a "pet name"...if you get what I mean.

This -kun thing is all just over thinking, paired with misconception of culture.

[Hanabi]

You know, if there was a therapy section in the world of Naruto, I would bet that Sakura will keep talking about Naruto on his goals, never ending strive to save Sasuke, his words, him not wanting her to get involved, etc. The more you talk about the guy or show many concerns, the more noticeable it gets that you're in love. Take a look at Sai. He realized that Sakura was being really nice, almost too nice to be frank, so he caught on something, but cut off. Yamato realized it as well when Sakura was told that it's extremely dangerous to get near yet she still did it. Her heart got the best of her.

 

You forgot to mention about that part in Kazekage Rescue Arc where Sakura's concerns for Naruto being a Jinchūriki was cut off by that dense main character..

 

Statements related to Sakura's feelings are always cut off, thrice in the manga.. :)

[Dkey]

Firstly we must remember that in media, these suffixes are usually used more liberally. I don't think Sakura has called him with one, but it is not as an insult more more of an informality. Naruto uses -chan suffix is somewhat like a "pet name"...if you get what I mean.

This -kun thing is all just over thinking, paired with misconception of culture.

 

Yeah I remember Naruto got upset when the toad sage refered to jiraya as jiraya-chan and told him that jiraya isn't his summoning pet. It turned out that jiraya actually was one.

[HauntedCake]

That's the catch she doesnt know the extent of this care, she's like convinced herself she loves Sasuke due to the "thank you".

And she was never confronted or questionend, then Sai comes and tells her how Naruto loves her, combined with Sasuek joining akatsuki and how Naruto was putting himself in danger because of his feelings for her, she got desperated and was ready to do anything, the fact is that she didnt planned the confession carefully neither planned to kill Sasuke, Sakura is a very intelligent girl, if she was on her mind correctly she would know when they came back Naruto would find out about their resolution about Sasuke and would be very upset, in other hand, she didnt had anything to kill Sasuke, some of you can argue that the poison was enough but she admitted that she knew she would hesitate.

 

Which is why i agree with you, she lied on her confession but she got a lot of development in return and her mindset about Sasuke had been broken, then she knows now that she should choose Naruto over Sasuke even if she doesnt love Naruto, it's a win/win situation.

She knows she deserve someome like Naruto and Sasuke is a jerk, so the only thing is missing is her showing where her feelings are now.

Bolded: What?? How is it a winning situation at all if she "chooses" Naruto when she doesn't love him and only because she couldn't have sasuke?

 

Thats a huge lose/lose situation....

 

I'm betting the confession will be redone in the coming chapters

 

I really cant be bothered with the confession because we will be argueing forever about it.... really racking my brain right now....

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
You forgot to mention about that part in Kazekage Rescue Arc where Sakura's concerns for Naruto being a Jinchūriki was cut off by that dense main character..
 
Statements related to Sakura's feelings are always cut off, thrice in the manga.. :)

Oh crap, that's right. What's crazier is that Sakura wasn't talking about Gaara, rather it's him that she's worried a lot. It sounds selfish but her heart was saddened because Naruto has no cure to his curse but death. Yeah, now he's on friendly term, but extraction can still kill him and the enemies know how to do it in a instant. Thank you for reminder.

[Chatte]

Aah, hello, with all that talk, anyone remembers what exactly kishi implies with Kun and such?!

[TouKen4Life3g]

Aah, hello, with all that talk, anyone remembers what exactly kishi implies with Kun and such?!

ありがとうございます！^_^

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Bolded: What?? How is it a winning situation at all if she "chooses" Naruto when she doesn't love him and only because she couldn't have sasuke?

 

Thats a huge lose/lose situation....

 

I'm betting the confession will be redone in the coming chapters

 

I really cant be bothered with the confession because we will be argueing forever about it.... really racking my brain right now....

No, she would choose Naruto because she should not love Sasuke, and she acknowledges that Naruto can make her happy while Sasuke not.

A win/win because even if she doesnt love Naruto she will end up loving him afterwards, that's why people predicts scenes like the OVA or a moment where she says i love you to Naruto in front of Sasuke because even if she can be with Sasuek she knows he's a jerk and she deserve someome better it's all about self respect.

Ino had the wrong idea of her love for Sasuke she thought it was more important than her friends, Sakura also had the wrong idea too, when she thought she would be lonely and her life would be meaningless without him but then there was Naruto and more and more he kept giving her things that Sasuke was never able to give to her.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 August 2013 - 03:05 PM.

[Psychox]

No, she would choose Naruto because she should not love Sasuke, and she acknowledges that Naruto can make her happy while Sasuke not.

A win/win because even if she doesnt love Naruto she will end up loving him afterwards, that's why people predicts scenes like the OVA or a moment where she says i love you to Naruto in front of Sasuke because even if she can be with Sasuek she knows he's a jerk and she deserve someome better it's all about self respect.

Ino had the wrong idea of her love for Sasuke she thought it was more important than her friends, Sakura also had the wrong idea too, when she thought she would be lonely and her life would be meaningless without him but then there was Naruto and more and more he kept giving her things that Sasuke was never able to give to her.

 

 

Maybe that was one of the reasons he pushed her away? He wants her hearth to be 100 % into this , to come his way , i mean that is half of the reason he strives to bring Sasuke back , because he wants her to choose when he is the village redeemed then she comes his way etc... This is when he will confess and her rejection will lead to him bowing out and leaving the ring . But ever since Sasuke is now back on his own terms he is there in front of her eyes and we all know what he aims for , so i think her time to choose has come..

[Canadian_DJ]

He refered to the part when the VA said that Sakura was harsh with Naruto, on a reply to people bashing her saying she was a b*tch, he didnt said that she was honest or lied on the confession, he didnt give a direct response, she lied ofc but she wanst ignorant and harsh with Naruto.
 
But she wanst in love with him, it's a lie anyway becuase later she confirms her love for Sasuke so she lied, Naruto doesnt love Sakura because she was at his side and a lot of stuff but because of her forehead her smile when she didnt even give a kitten about him, he said she understood why she loved her on the same moment when she said he was annoying, so you should understand where i'm getting at.
She give him a hug yes but romance with Naruto didnt even crossed her mind there, she only thought about it because Sai told her that Naruto loves her.
She called Naruto a fool for loving her, she showed she deeply cares about him more than Sasuke but it's complicated becuse she loves Sasuke there and she lied for Naruto's sake, she wanted to put aside her feelings for Sasuke for Naruto's wellbeing the same thing Naruto did the entire series, hiding his feelings from Sakura for her sake.

Sorry but this post just doesnt make sense. I dunno if its grammar or facts. Maybe both.

First of all, sakuras VA didnt call sakura a kitten, she said that sakura was using narutos feelings but then kishimoto said thst on the contrary he depicted an honest girl with a durprisingly stubborn determination. What your saying didnt happen.

Sakura didnt lie in the confession since kishimoti says otherwise. The 3rd databook says that sakura still hasnt found an answer tk her feelimgs. Which must be love since its complicated. The manga has the panls to back it up. Sakura has never thought of naruto as kitten during part 1 like you say, she only thought of him as annoyimg and one who doesnt understand her and wants to interfere in her life but in chapter 3 she decides to be nicer to him and during the PoL she ssid she was wrong about naruto and that he understands her. So no your wrong. Also, sakura has been developing romantic feelings for him since psrt 2 as well, go read the manga.

When did sakura confirm her love for sasuke? She just couldnt bring herself to kill him since he was her childhood crush and still her teammate. Oh and if your talking about 540 then no, she was sad and looking down thinking about sasuke in black flames. Does that sounf like a great guy pose? No.

Also, her hug was romantic, as ive said before in japan a hug I considered romantic, so what your saying doesnt make sense. Sakura was blushing and resting her head on his shoulder while blushing ssying that he was always by her side and that little dummy she ised to knew grew up to be an important man and she was watchung from right next to him and she said "right now from the bottom of my heart I-" she was gonna say I love you. Now if you still dint think thats romantic then I have nothing to say to you. Not only because he saved the village, and yes that hug was romantic, even though it was a thank you. Theres no downgrading that moment. She was only thinking about naruto and her actions and words prove that, even sai said so. Ofcosrse she went to tell naruto right after sai told her since she just found out. And whats wrkng with this line, "thr fools in love with me, so ill do it" whats wrong with thaf? She didnt insult him for loving her. Thr nickname she gives naruto is "baka" so theres nothing wrong. In fact, as kishinoti has explained before it means they have a close bond.

I dunno why you guys think she doesnt love naruto and didnt mean it when kishimoto said it hinself snd her actions and words prive so and naruto called her his girlfriend and thought of the confession which means he accepted it although things are still conplicated snd they need to sort things out as to why he said "more or less".

Sorry for any typos im on my cellphone.

She wasn't there to confess her romantic feelings, the only reason she went there was to stop Naruto from trying to save Sasuke and kill him herself, it was all an act to get him to stop going after Sasuke, she tried everything she could. She lied and she put on a show, she hugged him during the pain arc, does that mean she loved him there, your acting like another shipper group where just because she hugs him that means she loves him no, everyone there from  Sai to Kiba with there dialogue and thoughts made it obvious she was lying. Plus is this the big confession that you wanted for Narusaku because if that is the confession then I would be really worried about that pairing, that was no real confession.

Yes the hug in the pain arc was romantic and but she still didnt officislly be aware of her feelings, but after sai told her something clicked. Yoy cant just so boldly day that her confession was a lie like that when in fact kishimoto himself says otherwise. And no sai, kiba, lee and yamato didnt say anything to prive she lied, they were just shocked, lee was shicked while blushing kiba looked plain and ysmsto looked surprised. Just like sakurs said, no one knows what I feel except for me, including sai, karin and kiba. And whenever sai used to say anytbing befire its cuz he actually saw what was going on. But now he doesnt so it was pure speculation from his psrt tjat sakura still loves sasuke. If sakura was lying then why did she feel so offended snd defend herslef against naruti and lashed him out ehen he said "somethung like that" that was pure determination and she was honest. If sakura doesnt romantically love naruto then answer this; why did she specificslly choose to confess her love to nsruto? She couldve done anything else to convince him, but why love? Becsuse shes been developing romantic feelings for him.

And no a hug doesnt confirm thr pairing, but its romantic and you csnt downgrsde that.

[deviouslyChaotic]

I think Naruto will indeed confess to Sakura because well she hasn't actually heard it from him and even if Sakura does go first, Naruto will have to reciprocate which is a confession.

 

@deviouslyChaotic: I believe Sakura was lying in the confession and plz correct me if I'm wrong but I believe a part of u doesnt want to admit that Sakura could have lied to Naruto because other ppl might think or claim that it tarnishes her rep and NS. HOWEVER I believe this is far from the case. She went to stop Naruto from being in pain period, so she really cares about him. Which as she was doing, her internal struggle of "I should be in love with Naruto" over "I shouldn't be in love with Sasuke" came out and Naruto could see that. This again is not a bad thing, because as I've said before, if the reasons for why she SHOULD be in love with Naruto arent enough then when she finally does fall in love with him it will on a far higher level. 

No, it's not that. I just look at the scene differently than how other people look at it. I already stated my reasons as to why I view the confession the way I do, so there's no point in repeating them again.

[Verilance]

I believe Sakura has loved Naruto since chapter 13 (even arguably chapter 3) but it has taken her a long time to understand the depth of the feelings she has for him, 

 

Her confession wasn't strictly honest true but it wasn't strictly a lie either