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[Phantom_999]

I got ignored...........

Nah, sorry still don't see it. catsi, you make valid points but it think they can't 'click' even if she has some similar traits. Karin would be too aggressive, and I think she would find Naruto too mellow. I think she would like someone 'stronger'.
So we can keep discussing NaruKarin but you guys can also tell me your thoughts on ItaSaku. I tend to ship them, too. (oh, and let's imagine he isn't dead, shall we? )

EEEEEEEEHHHHHH........when you say that are you implying that SASUKE was more assertive with women? oh and speaking of of ItaSaku ( although I remember he had a girlfriend so sorry) is anyone here a KakaSaku shipper? OH NO, I'm not one, it's only that I see it pop up pretty frequently with some other fans else where.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well first off, when did Itachi had a girlfriend? And second, I would be disturbed about the Kakasaku, since a. there's a significant age difference, and b. what kind of sick mind usually pairs student and teacher of a certain age?

As, for narukarin, in a respectful manner, I'm going to have to say no. For some reason, I don't prefer weird glasses-wearing girls to male protagonist, since they annoy the living hell out of me.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

I wonder if she was hot.....hmmm

[Phantom_999]

Does it matter? She's dead now... But I bet she wasn't prettier than Sakura.

You never know Besides are we ACTUALLY thinking about ItaSaku right now? since we're comparing looks with his deceased girlfriend and Sakura though we don't know what the girlfriend looks like

^^ Well first off, when did Itachi had a girlfriend? And second, I would be disturbed about the Kakasaku, since a. there's a significant age difference, and b. what kind of sick mind usually pairs student and teacher of a certain age?

As, for narukarin, in a respectful manner, I'm going to have to say no. For some reason, I don't prefer weird glasses-wearing girls to male protagonist, since they annoy the living hell out of me.

WELL if you are disturbed by just THAT difference you should know some fans ship Naruto with Tsunade

Edited by Phantom_999, 11 August 2011 - 06:27 PM.

[catsi563]

to answer a prior question. Yes Sasuke is actually very assertive with women. he may not be open to their feelings right at thiss tage but he is assertive. As Ciardha has pointed out Sasuke is a very alpha male persona.

hes shown several times an assertiveness and control with women. telling Sakura not to talk about the curse seal, not giving in to an obviously willing karins advances but not blowing her off completely either.

In relation though yes that is one of the possible weakness's of NaruKarin. I dont think Naruto as too mellow would be the issue. she might find him too nuts for her taste. She does tend to prefer her guys a bit more emotionally in control of themselves. Sasuke may be filled with rage but it rarely manifests itself openly.

[Nate River]

Itasaku would be very awkward. Imagine you use to have strong feelings for your boyfriend's younger brother.

I think the real stumbling block is both the limited truth she believes about Itachi and the full truth of what really happened would be thing she could never get past.

The limited truth: Itachi killed his (and Sasuke's entire family). It's true, he did does this but she has no idea why and likely believes it was in cold blood (based on the info she currently has).

The truth: Itachi killed (at the urging of village elders) them to prevent a civil war because his family was planning a coup; essentially being forced to choose between his family and his village. In the process he spares his brother and allows him to believe a lie in order to protect Sasuke and the clan reputition (though not sure if it was for Sasuke's sake, the clan's or both), which was a primary motivitor for Sasuke to choose the destructive path he is on.

There doesn't seem to be a good choice available to Itachi on this, but the fact remains Itachi is a big reason Sasuke has his priorities screwed up right now. It's possible there could have been nothing Itachi could do to prevent this course of events and oppose his clan, but nevertheless, his choice affected Sasuke. This is not to let Sasuke off the hook, he made his own choices and should face the consequences for them. But Itachi helped.

Either way...her friend has suffered greatly because of it and I'm not sure she'd be able to get past this enough to actually forge a relationship.

[Miss Soupy]

is anyone here a KakaSaku shipper? OH NO, I'm not one, it's only that I see it pop up pretty frequently with some other fans else where.

Oh yes, I am a big fan of KakaSaku XD Kakashi has such a fun personality, it's hard not to love him. It's not like I read 12 yr old Sakura with him. Most KakaSaku fics feature an adult Sakura. It's my second favorite Naruto pairing behind NaruSaku :3

How about Gaara/Sakura? XD I do like that one too...though I used to read tons and tons of Sakura fanfics back in the day.

[Darth Krypt]

I think the real stumbling block is both the limited truth she believes about Itachi and the full truth of what really happened would be thing she could never get past.

The limited truth: Itachi killed his (and Sasuke's entire family). It's true, he did does this but she has no idea why and likely believes it was in cold blood (based on the info she currently has).

The truth: Itachi killed (at the urging of village elders) them to prevent a civil war because his family was planning a coup; essentially being forced to choose between his family and his village. In the process he spares his brother and allows him to believe a lie in order to protect Sasuke and the clan reputition (though not sure if it was for Sasuke's sake, the clan's or both), which was a primary motivitor for Sasuke to choose the destructive path he is on.

There doesn't seem to be a good choice available to Itachi on this, but the fact remains Itachi is a big reason Sasuke has his priorities screwed up right now. It's possible there could have been nothing Itachi could do to prevent this course of events and oppose his clan, but nevertheless, his choice affected Sasuke. This is not to let Sasuke off the hook, he made his own choices and should face the consequences for them. But Itachi helped.

Either way...her friend has suffered greatly because of it and I'm not sure she'd be able to get past this enough to actually forge a relationship.

Yeah. Who wants to date a mass murderer anyway? Even if its a mass murderer with good intentions.

[lupina]

Finally, I found it ...



Well, jeah.

This drawing can be found on page 241 of the databook, in the section dedicated to the designs Kishimoto was working on before releasing the manga. Notice that while Hinata is the clearly center of the drawing, we see Naruto in the background looking towards the Sun (Hyuuga = Towards the sun), and if it wasn't enough, the Sun and the pendant hanging on Hinata's necklace have the same spiral design Naruto has on his back. Perhaps Kishimoto had them bonded to each other from before starting the manga?

For myself, I didn't found anything about this picture expect of the NH-Fans information.

I want to know the meaning of this ...

[merryGOflava]

^ meh that picture is soo old. if kishi still wanted them to get together he would have made naruto like hinata or no one, instead of sakura.

i think kishi is used to sakura now. and i wouldnt find it fun, if naruto got a girl that already liked him.

[Phantom_999]

to answer a prior question. Yes Sasuke is actually very assertive with women. he may not be open to their feelings right at thiss tage but he is assertive. As Ciardha has pointed out Sasuke is a very alpha male persona.

hes shown several times an assertiveness and control with women. telling Sakura not to talk about the curse seal, not giving in to an obviously willing karins advances but not blowing her off completely either.

In relation though yes that is one of the possible weakness's of NaruKarin. I dont think Naruto as too mellow would be the issue. she might find him too nuts for her taste. She does tend to prefer her guys a bit more emotionally in control of themselves. Sasuke may be filled with rage but it rarely manifests itself openly.

Yeah IF HE WANTED a girlfriend I 'd say he's more assertive but he was acting towards them in a "mind your own business and get outta my life!" kind of way

Edited by Phantom_999, 13 August 2011 - 01:19 AM.

[naruto-z]

Finally, I found it ...
Well, jeah.



For myself, I didn't found anything about this picture expect of the NH-Fans information.

I want to know the meaning of this ...

My opinion is that when Kishi was planning out the manga he went through phases of who Naruto would end up being with and Hinata was obviously another choice for Kishi. However even though he ended up "choosing" Sakura, he left Hinata's character in there just to stir things up.

Edited by naruto-z, 12 August 2011 - 12:20 AM.

[Derock]

My opinion is that when Kishi was planning out the manga he went through phases of who Naruto would end up being with and Hinata was obviously another choice for Kishi. However even though he ended up "choosing" Sakura, he left Hinata's character in there just to stir things up.

Nope. Hinata's original purpose was a civilian/villager, similar to Ayame and Teuchi from Ichiraku's and her role was suppose to be far "less" important to the one she is now.

[Fliss]

Nope. Hinata's original purpose was a civilian/villager, similar to Ayame and Teuchi from Ichiraku's and her role was suppose to be far "less" important to the one she is now.

So with that said, what's your opinion on the picture?

Edited by Fliss, 12 August 2011 - 02:51 AM.

[Super Boom]

Haha, it looks like I almost missed (or just missed) the great crack pairing discussion.

I'm not sure what really constitutes a 'crack pairing', since just saying 'a pairing that probably won't happen' is a little bit subjective. But, if I had to split up Naruto and Sakura, I guess I'd root for NaruIno. She doesn't mesh with Naruto as well as Sakura does, but she still has that attractive outgoing personality, and she'd certainly keep him in check after becoming Hokage. Then again, it could be just that I've read too many N/S fics where the idea of NaruIno was sort of played around with. Though I could personally get into any Naruto pairing, as long as it gets development. And we all know which pairing dominates in that area.

As for Sakura, I'm not sure. ShikaSaku and LeeSaku are both alright I guess, though I'm not too sure if the latter is actually a crack pairing. ItaSaku seems attractive to me, for some reason, but it seems really angsty. Though I guess I do kind of like that sort of thing every once in a while.
In all fairness, though, I have to choose a Sakura crack pairing, I'm throwing rules out the window and shipping Grimmjow/Sakura. Crossover pairings FTW!

My opinion is that when Kishi was planning out the manga he went through phases of who Naruto would end up being with and Hinata was obviously another choice for Kishi. However even though he ended up "choosing" Sakura, he left Hinata's character in there just to stir things up.

I've seen that picture before, and I guess I'm not sure whether or not it signifies anything important as far as NaruHina goes. Like lupina said, I've only seen N/H fans push that info, so it's just speculative as far as Kishi's intentions.

My personal opinion is either:

a.) Hinata's original role was meant to be the same as it is currently in the manga, just a sort-of romantic foil, whose basic role was to increase the romantic drama of the series. The sun and the necklace are symbols for her crush on Naruto, which was supposed to be, and actually became, the primary focus of her character.

b.) Hinata's original role was to be Naruto's love interest, based on the same reasoning as above, but Kishi decided to move in a different direction sometime early in the plot. I guess I base this assumption on the sheer lack of development the pairing has received throughout the series. Even when the NaruHina pairing was at its highest (her confession during the Pein Invasion) the arc still ended on a NaruSaku note.

I'm leaning towards a.), but I'm not quite sure what Kishi's original intentions were. If b.) were the case, then I suppose that meant Kishi just changed his mind after developing his Team 7 characters. Maybe he grew to like Sakura more after the first arc? *shrug* It just seems to me like N/S was being heavily hinted in the early chapters, so I sort of doubt he just changed his mind from N/H to N/S on the basis of growing more attached to certain characters. But I guess I'm not really sure.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 12 August 2011 - 03:09 AM.

[Derock]

So with that said, what's your opinion on the picture?

My opinion: I can't remember it from word to word when I first saw it many years ago. (It was deleted from the server move... ;_; )

Anyways, judging from the sketch, Kishimoto was about to add her in the storyline (the first draft with just Naruto and Kakashi as the main characters without Sasuke appearing, as in before his creation -not sure about Sakura's role and status on this version- ) and give her an even less role as a villager, apprearing in that outfit in a major scene, don't know when, but it was probably during production of the Chuunin Exams Arc.

But when rewriting the story of 2.1 (the final version, which is what we are reading right now), and when developing the Rookie 9, he added Hinata in the series as a ninja, given her sort-of a romantic foil.

[ciardha]

My personal opinion is either:

a.) Hinata's original role was meant to be the same as it is currently in the manga, just a sort-of romantic foil, whose basic role was to increase the romantic drama of the series. The sun and the necklace are symbols for her crush on Naruto, which was supposed to be, and actually became, the primary focus of her character.

It's right in the first databook that Hinata wasn't even Kishimoto's creation. She was created by his first editor. She wasn't ever Naruto's love interest. Naruto's love interest- once Kishimoto decided to do one as an early suggestion from his first editor, was always Sakura. Kishimoto's first editor told him his story was too limited with just Naruto and Kakashi, that Naruto needed a rival and a love interest- thus Kishimoto created Sasuke and created Sakura.

Kishimoto's first editor came up with Hinata as just some village girl- a very minor character. It's not stated if the editor suggested Hinata have a crush on Naruto. I haven't found the source, but I've heard that this same editor also suggested having other young Genin teams for the main characters interact with, and Kishimoto came up with the Chunin Exams arc, and decided to then use his editor's character Hinata as one of the characters.

(This would also explain even moreso his strong irritation at Jump Festa 2009 at the fan letters fawning over Hinata and trashing Sakura- with his absolute insistence that Sakura is the main female character, the heroine, and was completely truthful about her feelings of romantic love for Naruto, and his dismissive comment about Hinata.)

Sakura was the character that most purely came from Kishimoto. Naruto was a character Kishimoto came up with to fit in with the Jump type main hero character, Sasuke was made to fit into the Jump mode for a rival character, but Sakura was completely his conception of a "normal girl" to be the love interest of Naruto and grow into the main heroine of the series. She and Naruto both had to and still are growing to become fully heroic.

[RedDelicious]

So with that said, what's your opinion on the picture?

It's a very nice picture. For anyone that likes Hinata (even if they don't like NaruHina), it's delightful.

It also shows Naruto as almost a speck on the horizon, and Hinata walking away from his back. Not exactly a strong image for the two of them as a couple.

Back to the pairing arguments:
I've heard NaruKarin, and ItaSaku... I'd be more interested in ItaKarin. She'd get all of the "cool" Uchiha qualities she likes, but without the laughing, eye-bleeding psychosis.

ShikaTema over ShikaSaku. Part of what make NaruSaku work (and NaruHina not so much) is a compatible sense of humor, both of them being pranksters. I got the impression that Shikamaru's humor was drier and more sarcastic, much like Temari's.

If some people are allowed to push Kakashi and Sakura as a couple, what about Naruto and (a teenage) Moegi ? Then Naruto can be involved in a 2nd love triangle (with Konohamaru).

How about this for a crack pairing: inner-Sakura with Hidan's head. A part of her personality, with a fragment of his body, spending most of their time yelling at each other for being a baka.