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#481 ahmed

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 03:27 PM

QUOTE (New Revolution @ Jun 15 2010, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Back in part one sakura showed signs of loveing him also in chapter 245 manga naruto goes four tails its all but showed said she loves him so No i think she's known she's loved him.

The only bad question is one not asked xD.


LOL
when it show clearly some her feelings to naruto when narto transfere into the kyubi with four
tails and the uncomleted speech of yamto about her feelnigs to naruto but it was in part tow in chapter chapter 496,497,498,499


QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jun 15 2010, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ignored what the other fandom says I remember it like it was yesterday. When 450 came they quickly claimed it was just a "sibling hug rolleyes.gif " or a teammate hug sweatdrop.gif. When in truth I would never hug my sister like that if I want to get punch in the face by her (little sisters can be quite scary when they get angry err.gif ).

The hug showed all kinds of emotions Sakura had for Naruto affection, concern, relief, happinness. During the Pain arc Sakura didn't looked worried that Naruto was fighting Pain (she was holding her ground acting like a true leader it wasn't the right time get worry or lose calm. Besides she knew Naruto was going to be all right she has faith in him).


it is impossible to be a sibling hug tongue.gif .and thas you say (affection, concern, relief, happinness)
add to them she never let any one talk by not good speech for naruto (as waht happen with sai biggrin.gif )and add too that all the time (especially when he is in a danger) it is very anxious about him
and we could say all this emotions in one word (she love him from the first) biggrin.gif ,right?


for the second time i wish any one reply for my questions in the end of the page before in that( long post tongue.gif) and in that long post i have a question for grave-kun
i wish you could reply for it and ,if you havenot reply ok np but tell me

and i have a request from shippuden-chan: could you show us the the image of the ture translation of the magazine ? it is will be good if you could

Edited by ahmed, 15 June 2010 - 04:46 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2010 - 03:36 PM

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I just want to add- Hallujah Viz!

huh?

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 06:54 PM

I'm so sorry if I didn't make 474 too clear XD I was excited... I was jumping up and down in walmart with the Shonen Magazine and my mom's like "Is that the new one?" and I was like "Oh, yesssss!" and came home and ran to my laptop XD

Okay, so Shonen Jump version was more about Sakura's past love for Sasuke and Sai says stuff like she's growing up and the reason she thinks its her duty to kill Sasuke is because of Naruto's burdens and a way to redeem herself sorta because she fell in love with him. But in the "Previous Issues" box it says that Sakura is in love with Naruto but he doesn't believe her.

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE (ahmed @ Jun 15 2010, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and add too that all the time (especially when he is in a danger) it is very anxious about him
and we could say all this emotions in one word (she love him from the first) biggrin.gif ,right?


Oh yeah, as early as chapter 5, and the first databook commented on Sakura's blushes and impulsive actions to save Naruto from danger even as far back as that chapter, there's also a moment in chapter 10 and chapter 13.... It was subconcious then, but I think it started to change to concious the moment Naruto made that Promise of A Lifetime, and certainly by the time she saw him in the hospital and made her own promise to Naruto, it was a concious attraction, even if she didn't know it was love yet.
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 07:02 PM

Yeah I remember I think it was on ch 13 when Zabuza launched his sword and Kakashi told everyone to get down. In one panel Sakura pushed Naruto out of the way and she landed on his back (Naruto's reaction he was shocked and I think he was blushing fu.png).

Of course that particular scene was edited in the anime. dry.gif

Edited by Gravenimage, 15 June 2010 - 07:15 PM.

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Jun 15 2010, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm so sorry if I didn't make 474 too clear XD I was excited... I was jumping up and down in walmart with the Shonen Magazine and my mom's like "Is that the new one?" and I was like "Oh, yesssss!" and came home and ran to my laptop XD

Okay, so Shonen Jump version was more about Sakura's past love for Sasuke and Sai says stuff like she's growing up and the reason she thinks its her duty to kill Sasuke is because of Naruto's burdens and a way to redeem herself sorta because she fell in love with him. But in the "Previous Issues" box it says that Sakura is in love with Naruto but he doesn't believe her.


i didnot understand well to the second time sad.gif
when naruto tell sai no way she love him she couldnot sai tell and that is the reason because she fell in love with him
and now you say the same (a way to redeem herself sorta because she fell in love with him) so you dont change any thing tongue.gif

and about sai tell naruto that she love him when did he says it ?and you say naruto dosenot belive him
so naruto is still think that sakura is in love with sasuke and dosenot changed ?

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 07:29 PM

Well the point is that Sakura loves Naruto and now he has realized that she doesn't love Sasuke anymore. It's only a matter of time before Kishi finally solves their requited love for the other.
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 07:46 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jun 15 2010, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well the point is that Sakura loves Naruto and now he has realized that she doesn't love Sasuke anymore. It's only a matter of time before Kishi finally solves their requited love for the other.


how you sai that naruto has realized that she dosen't love sasuke any more and when he say somthing like that?

and please any one reply for this questions
what in the true translation exactly
and when sai tell naruto that sakura does love him?

it is the transltion all we know
1-naruto:she likes sasuke so much
2-sai:that is why
3-sai :i dont think she can just stand by and watch him in the evil ........she wants to save him from life of the evile........becuase she love him .......and i think she is prepared to do whatever it takes......even it means......killing the one she love......and she aslo know that might be you hate her

where the mistranslation and what is the true ?
and sai never tell naruto that sakura does love him and you said that sai tell naruto that sakura does love him ....... when that......is that too was a mistranslation?

i want to know why no one answer my questions that i wrote it before inh this page and the page before ?


and i have a old question for alllll is kishi might do unexpected thing and make naruto and hinata end up together?i afraid from that even after i think he is close that pairing when he drew her in the last page of chapter 488 stand behind naruto and nothing is change between them
and what make me afraid that some NH fans said that "kishi will do unexpected thing after 30 or 20 chapter with hinata and naruto or even he should hint to what hinata will end up with"

Edited by ahmed, 15 June 2010 - 08:04 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2010 - 08:52 PM

Oh, I made this with some old pics only 2 from part 1 but eh-
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 10:32 PM

QUOTE (ahmed @ Jun 15 2010, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how you sai that naruto has realized that she dosen't love sasuke any more and when he say somthing like that?

and please any one reply for this questions
what in the true translation exactly
and when sai tell naruto that sakura does love him?

I don't think Sai says she loves Naruto. All he says is that she was thinking about his feelings when she came up with her plan. She cares about him and wants to protect him, but Sai never says the actual word 'love' towards it.

I also don't see the indication that Sakura had fallen out of love with Sasuke by that point. In fact, a lot of times when you talk about love, you say it in past tense. I fell in love with so in so... It doesn't mean you aren't still in love with that person, just that you fell in love in the past. There has to be more evidence than a tense, and Sakura's inability to kill Sasuke proves she has lingering feelings of some sort towards him.

It is because she loves Sasuke that she wanted to free him from his horrible life (by killing him).
It is because she loves Naruto that she tried to give him a life with her, to protect him from what might cause him harm.

She failed in both cases, unfortunately, but Naruto showed her another option.

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and i have a old question for alllll is kishi might do unexpected thing and make naruto and hinata end up together?i afraid from that even after i think he is close that pairing when he drew her in the last page of chapter 488 stand behind naruto and nothing is change between them
and what make me afraid that some NH fans said that "kishi will do unexpected thing after 30 or 20 chapter with hinata and naruto or even he should hint to what hinata will end up with"

Why would kishi divert from his normal direction? Hinata has never been important, so most likely she will remain a minor character. I don't see any evidence that Naruto, the main character, will fall out of love with the person he has loved from the very start of the manga. I suppose if someone wants to believe that Kishi will do a complete flip, then that is their choice. But the odds are against them. NaruHina is nothing but a pipe-dream kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 10:50 PM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Jun 15 2010, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think Sai says she loves Naruto. All he says is that she was thinking about his feelings when she came up with her plan. She cares about him and wants to protect him, but Sai never says the actual word 'love' towards it.

I also don't see the indication that Sakura had fallen out of love with Sasuke by that point. In fact, a lot of times when you talk about love, you say it in past tense. I fell in love with so in so... It doesn't mean you aren't still in love with that person, just that you fell in love in the past. There has to be more evidence than a tense, and Sakura's inability to kill Sasuke proves she has lingering feelings of some sort towards him.

It is because she loves Sasuke that she wanted to free him from his horrible life (by killing him).
It is because she loves Naruto that she tried to give him a life with her, to protect him from what might cause him harm.

She failed in both cases, unfortunately, but Naruto showed her another option.


Why would kishi divert from his normal direction? Hinata has never been important, so most likely she will remain a minor character. I don't see any evidence that Naruto, the main character, will fall out of love with the person he has loved from the very start of the manga. I suppose if someone wants to believe that Kishi will do a complete flip, then that is their choice. But the odds are against them. NaruHina is nothing but a pipe-dream kruemelmonsteryn0.gif


thanks for your reply............finally one come answer for some of my questions
but i dont understand what you mean by (She failed in both cases, unfortunately, but Naruto showed her another option.)naruto showed her onther option,what you mean?

and if you understand what was grave-kun want to tell us (naruto has realized that she dosen't love sasuke any more)
i dont understand him in this words

Edited by ahmed, 15 June 2010 - 10:56 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2010 - 11:25 PM

QUOTE (ahmed @ Jun 15 2010, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thanks for your reply............finally one come answer for some of my questions
but i dont understand what you mean by (She failed in both cases, unfortunately, but Naruto showed her another option.)naruto showed her onther option,what you mean?

Sakura wanted to 1. Have Naruto come home with her by offering him her love in the confession. 2. Kill Sasuke to save him from his horrible life. She did neither of these things, thus she failed.

But Naruto offered her hope, which is why she decided to believe in both of them.

The whole arc was like this circle. I mean, Sakura was upset with herself for burdening Naruto, went to remove the promise, and then ended up having to just let him take care of things again. I feel like Kishimoto needed to bring everyone to an all time low to set things up for the final arcs. Kinda seemed useless, but I did like that Sakura decided to remove the promise. Other than that, the drama Sai caused over the burden was pointless because Naruto wanted to take care of Sasuke himself anyways. So much for teamwork XD;

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and if you understand what was grave-kun want to tell us (naruto has realized that she dosen't love sasuke any more)
i dont understand him in this words

Eh? Naruto I doubt really knows that for sure. And I don't think he is thinking of it at the moment. He has always maintained that Sakura is in love with Sasuke.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Jun 15 2010, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think Sai says she loves Naruto. All he says is that she was thinking about his feelings when she came up with her plan. She cares about him and wants to protect him, but Sai never says the actual word 'love' towards it.

I also don't see the indication that Sakura had fallen out of love with Sasuke by that point. In fact, a lot of times when you talk about love, you say it in past tense. I fell in love with so in so... It doesn't mean you aren't still in love with that person, just that you fell in love in the past. There has to be more evidence than a tense, and Sakura's inability to kill Sasuke proves she has lingering feelings of some sort towards him.

It is because she loves Sasuke that she wanted to free him from his horrible life (by killing him).
It is because she loves Naruto that she tried to give him a life with her, to protect him from what might cause him harm.


so i can understand from these you are say that sakura is love the both naruto and sasuke and the true translation of what sai said with past tense dosen't change any thing and naruto talk the speech of sai as sakura is still love sasuke and dosen't change
is what you mean?

and you say that sakura want to kill sasuke to free him from his horrible life becuase she love him
but after true translatio from shipuden-chan i think sai tell naruto(as she said) to redeem her self from him and becuas of the burden of naruto

and i want to ask every one again
after the true translation of shipuden-chan naruto talk sai speech as sakura still love sasuke and doesn't change
and is ther in the ture transltion sai tell naruto that she love him ? and if that ture when did tell him?

Edited by ahmed, 16 June 2010 - 12:30 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2010 - 01:13 AM

QUOTE (ahmed @ Jun 15 2010, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so i can understand from these you are say that sakura is love the both naruto and sasuke and the true translation of what sai said with past tense dosen't change any thing and naruto talk the speech of sai as sakura is still love sasuke and dosen't change
is what you mean?

and you say that sakura want to kill sasuke to free him from his horrible life becuase she love him
but after true translatio from shipuden-chan i think sai tell naruto(as she said) to redeem her self from him and becuas of the burden of naruto

Yeah that is basically my opinion on it. I mean, don't take anyone's opinion as Word of God. We are all theorizing here...since Naruto and Sakura are not actually a couple yet.

Sakura wanting to redeem herself has everything to do with Naruto, not with Sasuke. That is why she confessed and didn't tell Naruto about her intentions. But Sai also says Sakura wants to kill Sasuke, even though she loves him (in whatever way), because he is causing hatred to spread which is threat to Konoha. She can't stand seeing Sasuke, someone she cares about, living that way. To her killing him is the most humane way to deal with the problem since she no longer believes he can be redeemed.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 03:37 AM

Sakura says she's in love with Naruto in 469, Kishimoto said she was being honest in that chapter with her feelings for Naruto, Viz in their official translation says Sakura is in love with Naruto. Sai does say Sakura is in love with Naruto in 474- I don't think there's any ambiguity when Sai says "Sakura has moved on from Sasuke..."etc

Sakura isn't romantically in love with Sasuke anymore. It's right there in the manga. Does she still care about the person he was- yes. Does she have memories of her crush on Sasuke- yep. Does she still feel the team mate bond- obviously! That's why she wanted to kill the monster Sasuke has become. She also couldn't because of those factors. Note, I didn't see even Kakashi really trying to kill Sasuke- instead he was trying to "reason" with a madman. Does that mean Kakashi has current romantic feelings for Sasuke?

And look at Naruto too, do Naruto's actions and words mean he has romantic feelings for Sasuke? Frankly, if you look at words and actions in that arc, Naruto is the one who could sound like he has current romantic feelings for Sasuke, and we know he doesn't think of him that way.

I think it's cultural difference that make many Americans not fully understand the strength of group bonds. It really is as intense as a familial bond. But Kishimoto has already shown this with the Sanin. Even with years to break their bond to Orochimaru, even Tsunade who mistrusted and disliked Orochimaru long before Jiraiya did, still she mourned his death, even with how evil and twisted a man he had become. How much more painful it is for Naruto and Sakura, and perhaps even Kakashi compared to Hiruzen... Unless you've served in the military in a combat situation most Americans can't fully comprehend the intensity of the team mate bonds you see in manga.

I know it was hard for me to grasp too, when I first started reading books on Japanese culture in my teens and twenties. (and that's with even with some undercurrents of something like that kind of group bond in Southern US culture when it comes to our families- comes from Scottish culture- which is the dominant ancestry amongst whites in upper southern states. The concept of a clan is also very similar to uji in Japan- so that concept I understood with ease, including the concepts of: "breaking with" or "betraying" one's clan.) Manga helped me grasp the team mate bond. (that includes not just ninja teams in Naruto, but classmates in school manga, team mates in sports manga, coworkers in work related manga stories, and how Japanese writers write group dynamics even when they are writing about Europeans or Americans...)
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:57 AM

Shippu-chan, can you scan the viz version? we want to see it with our own eyes.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 03:12 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jun 16 2010, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura says she's in love with Naruto in 469, Kishimoto said she was being honest in that chapter with her feelings for Naruto, Viz in their official translation says Sakura is in love with Naruto. Sai does say Sakura is in love with Naruto in 474- I don't think there's any ambiguity when Sai says "Sakura has moved on from Sasuke..."etc

Sakura isn't romantically in love with Sasuke anymore. It's right there in the manga. Does she still care about the person he was- yes. Does she have memories of her crush on Sasuke- yep. Does she still feel the team mate bond- obviously! That's why she wanted to kill the monster Sasuke has become. She also couldn't because of those factors. Note, I didn't see even Kakashi really trying to kill Sasuke- instead he was trying to "reason" with a madman. Does that mean Kakashi has current romantic feelings for Sasuke?

And look at Naruto too, do Naruto's actions and words mean he has romantic feelings for Sasuke? Frankly, if you look at words and actions in that arc, Naruto is the one who could sound like he has current romantic feelings for Sasuke, and we know he doesn't think of him that way.

I think it's cultural difference that make many Americans not fully understand the strength of group bonds. It really is as intense as a familial bond. But Kishimoto has already shown this with the Sanin. Even with years to break their bond to Orochimaru, even Tsunade who mistrusted and disliked Orochimaru long before Jiraiya did, still she mourned his death, even with how evil and twisted a man he had become. How much more painful it is for Naruto and Sakura, and perhaps even Kakashi compared to Hiruzen... Unless you've served in the military in a combat situation most Americans can't fully comprehend the intensity of the team mate bonds you see in manga.

I know it was hard for me to grasp too, when I first started reading books on Japanese culture in my teens and twenties. (and that's with even with some undercurrents of something like that kind of group bond in Southern US culture when it comes to our families- comes from Scottish culture- which is the dominant ancestry amongst whites in upper southern states. The concept of a clan is also very similar to uji in Japan- so that concept I understood with ease, including the concepts of: "breaking with" or "betraying" one's clan.) Manga helped me grasp the team mate bond. (that includes not just ninja teams in Naruto, but classmates in school manga, team mates in sports manga, coworkers in work related manga stories, and how Japanese writers write group dynamics even when they are writing about Europeans or Americans...)


but of cours sakura's feelnig towards naruto from part 2 was romantic especially chapter 296,297,298
is i am wrong?

and i have a question :
in the official true translation of chapter 474: is say said to naruto sakura does love him ?when?

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 03:23 PM

We really need the official Viz translated version of 474.

Edited by Gravenimage, 16 June 2010 - 03:23 PM.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jun 16 2010, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We really need the official Viz translated version of 474.


lol
the version of shippuden girl is not true or what?>


any one notic that after confession fo sakura to naruto he say sakura only not sakur-chan ?
is it mean anything?

Edited by ahmed, 16 June 2010 - 03:52 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2010 - 03:47 PM

oh! could you please scan us the official translations of those chapters Ciardha. If i saw that with my own eyes, then i'll probably scream w/ joy. biggrin.gif




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