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[RedFaction]

He got a closure with Hashirama. Kaguya no because she sucks. But that's not the point. The problem is how some of them mess up their old ending and watered down the moment. Itachi should have remain dead for many reasons. It doesn't help that he ended up helping Sasuke.

I get your point and yeah I agree that bringing back a lot of the previously dead characters was pointless and actually damaging to the story.

 

Good thing they didn't bring back Jiraiya because surely they would have found a way to make him look like a scumbag.

[Nicholas Wolfwood]

But they got it wrong ... I thought that our main theory was that Naruto , Hinata and Sakura had a threesome , and that is how Bolt came to be . Naruto did not cheat on his wife , she agreed to it ... and Sakura was lonely , with Sasuke being gone and all ..

I actually like your theory, but instead let the threesome be Naruto, Sakura and Ino. Hinata can just sit in the corner and watch.

 

Reason he's writing all this is because he REGRETS wimping out and caving in to the SS fans and NH Studio Perriot. He probably has it worse than anyone since he was the one WRITING all those 600 chaps of NS, not to mention he probably self inserts as Naruto or other aspects of his manga. So for Kishi to have regret is understandable. With that regret, he writes Naruto Gaiden (if he didn't regret it, he wouldn't have "gone extremely into" bashing SS.)
This is a bold move, especially since it's a blow to the last of his fans, ao it seems he doesn't give a kitten about about what others think anymore, and write what HE wants to write. So he's not going to wimp out now and it's not a red herring.

I get your desperation, I really do. NS was the only pairing I cared about out of all the manga I read. I believe Kishi originally intended to go through with it until he chickened out realizing that if he wants to continue making money off the Naruto franchise, it would be better to satisfy 2/3 of the fan base rather than only 1/3. Regardless, Kishi killed NS and it isn't coming back. It makes no difference if Sakura is Sarada's mother or not. For that matter the whole debate over how Sakura referred to Sasuke as her husband seems pointless because, for the sake of argument, let's say they aren't married. It changes nothing in terms of NS because Naruto is married to Hinata and they have kids. Naruto will never leave her even is Sakura were to spend the rest of her life alone and depressed. Even if Sakura confessed her love to him he wouldn't leave Hinata. So the only answer is to have all of this mess be IT, which would take the manga to an entirely new level of stupidity and absurdity, or to have Hinata die and after an appropriate grieving period Naruto and Sakura could get married. (I'm joking on the second scenario) It's not going to happen. Any incarnation of NS after 699 would be an abomination compared to what it should have been. I'd love to be wrong about it but considering all of the things Kishi has done with the train wreck ending and retconning it seems crazy to put any faith in him whatsoever. As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

 

How is he going to resolve all of this in three more chapters?  This week`s chapter was a major game changer

Asspull no Jutsu.

 

The biggest problem to me was that Naruto basically got ignored by the hokage. And I'm not talking about the amicable banter between Tobirama and Naruto, that doesn't count. They basically, with the exeption of Minato, ignored a child which they all played a part in orphaning.

Hashirama had nothing to do with the failures of the Uchiha, yet he put his heart on the line for Sasuke, who had betrayed the village. His only relevance to Sasuke was through Madara, yet he had to pander to the some idiot that thought he was more important than he really was.

Hashirama created the jinchuriki system, with the help of Tobirama, a system that enslaved and stole innocent lives for the convenience of a human weapon, yet neither one of them thought to even spare Naruto an apology?

Hiruzen say on his ass and watched Naruto get tormented by the entire village, and did absolutely nothing to help. Even worse, he symbolically further distances Naruto, the son of his successor, by shutting Naruto, at that point a child, away alone in a dusty rundown apartment building, and doesn't even say a damn word to a ruined childhood that he oversaw.

Minato was the only one that suffered any kind of pain, the only one that apologized, and the only one that had an actual conversation with Naruto.

The others were too busy pandering to Sasuke. The only one that should have had anything to do with Sasuke outside of Hashirama's history lesson was Hiruzen, otherwise they all should have been groveling at Naruto's feet.

That was the most disappointing thing about the Edo Hokage thing to me.

Eloquently said. As far as I'm concerned, the entire village can line up and kiss Naruto's ass. Unfortunately he himself became such a loser that it doesn't seem to matter any more. It's almost a shame Kaguya wasn't victorious.

 

plus he's related to like 3 of them plus tsunade. and is best friends with ones grandson for crying out loud. what gives? sasuke should have nothing to do with the hokage but there he was getting his slimy buisness in it all. xp

It's funny. It's as though some people are just figuring out that the story has actually been centered around Sasuke the entire time.

[Catra]

people like sasuke not because of his character, they like him because every character does (which they do simply because kishi makes them). they don't care if he's an kitten or if he doesn't care what someone else in the same room thinks of him or his goals or w/e. he's given everything to him on a silver platter from jutsu to praise. just goes to show it takes more than just being good at everything, but being a sympathetic and relatable character. because sasuke for all he's worth is just a walking action figure with no character put behind him.

Edited by Catra, 14 June 2015 - 07:39 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

What are the odds of kishi doing a back to back canon pairing destruction; two weeks in a roll? 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Those kages were on the belly of the shinigami , a place where the edo couldn't reach but like always Kishi retconned this too

Their appereance just managed to damage the story more for pointless fanservice and plot devices

I didn't really have a problem with the Shinigami bit as a whole. My problem was just how stupidly easy it was, for Orochimaru anyway, to do so and such. I mean, there just happened to be an Uzumaki mask shop nearby...that had a mask that, without seals or anything, could summon the Shinigami and let whoever uses it essentially do the Shiki Fuin like a cheat code (even if the consequences of losing your own soul as well remained)...

And how was this shop never discovered by anyone besides Orochimaru, and why didn't Orochimaru just take the mask and use it himself if it was so easy for him to do so while avoiding the consequences with his body skipping?

And how does cutting open the Shinigami's, the freaking Shinigami's, stomach not release more than just the four souls of the previous Hokages? I mean, shouldn't there have been a flood of souls spilling out after the Shinigami's stomach was cut open?

[Catra]

I didn't really have a problem with the Shinigami bit as a whole. My problem was just how stupidly easy it was, for Orochimaru anyway, to do so and such. I mean, there just happened to be an Uzumaki mask shop nearby...that had a mask that, without seals or anything, could summon the Shinigami and let whoever uses it essentially do the Shiki Fuin like a cheat code (even if the consequences of losing your own soul as well remained)...

And how was this shop never discovered by anyone besides Orochimaru, and why didn't Orochimaru just take the mask and use it himself if it was so easy for him to do so while avoiding the consequences with his body skipping?

And how does cutting open the Shinigami's, the freaking Shinigami's, stomach not release more than just the four souls of the previous Hokages? I mean, shouldn't there have been a flood of souls spilling out after the Shinigami's stomach was cut open?

kishi don't care >w>

[redrose3443]

I though the whole bringing dead people back to life thing, could have been good, if it was actually done right.

 

But this was not the first thing Kishi screwed up, so not surprised it fell flat.

[Nar123]

I felt like his conversation with Naruto was needed, though. Against pain they were pressed and there was still mystery behind Minato. Naruto found out Minato was his father, but he didn't find out much beyond that, and any conversation outside of Minato saying that he believed in Naruto would have been lacking in depth. His discussion with Naruto during the war after Naruto had fully understood Minato and what happened, and him seeing Naruto alive and in person, and Naruto forgiving him was necessary and needed.

 

 

I don't think so. 

characters can die with regrets, it's realistic, it's in tune with the real world 

 

Naruto forgiving his father in his mind would be enough

[Nar123]

I don't think it's fair to say that every villain had a redemption story because Madara wasn't redeemed and neither was Kaguya.

 

Sure, a lot of them did end up being "redeemed", but that's just a part of Naruto because that is the kind of effect he had on people.

 

It's just my opinion, but there are other aspects to the story that are far worse than that.

 

The problem is because like always kishi couldn't handle the theme of" forgiveness" thus we have something stupid like what happened with Obito 

[luffyq1]

[Nar123]

I didn't really have a problem with the Shinigami bit as a whole. My problem was just how stupidly easy it was, for Orochimaru anyway, to do so and such. I mean, there just happened to be an Uzumaki mask shop nearby...that had a mask that, without seals or anything, could summon the Shinigami and let whoever uses it essentially do the Shiki Fuin like a cheat code (even if the consequences of losing your own soul as well remained)...

And how was this shop never discovered by anyone besides Orochimaru, and why didn't Orochimaru just take the mask and use it himself if it was so easy for him to do so while avoiding the consequences with his body skipping?

And how does cutting open the Shinigami's, the freaking Shinigami's, stomach not release more than just the four souls of the previous Hokages? I mean, shouldn't there have been a flood of souls spilling out after the Shinigami's stomach was cut open?

 

It's just a plain old retcon, it was regarded as a impossible thing until plot demanded then it became easy and simple as heck

It's a testament to how much Kishi's writing skill sucks

Edited by Nar123, 14 June 2015 - 02:16 PM.

[harry4e]

I don't get how no one knows about that. It's like we supposed to believe Sasuke, Karin, and Sakura were alone for at least 9 months and then come back with a baby. That's ridiculous.

 

Come on, the way the manga was written, with the exception of the hokage, Kakashi, and Jiraiya, nobody knew Naruto was the son of the fourth Hokage. Not like it was hard to figure out. like he didn't have strong features he inherited from his father. Plus the history lesson from Kushina told us Kushina and Minato had known each other since school and both were well known. So their relationship would not have been easy to to keep a secret.

 

So this is nothing, Kishi established from the beginning, that people of that world are stupid and only get clued in on something after it's been revealed. Like the whole Uzumaki clan, no mention of it before and as soon as it's revealed, we find out how the clan was apparently the most well known after Senju, and the Uchiha, and that they were prized members for their abilities, and even the enemies that looked down on Naruto wanted the Uzumaki gene.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I think the hint goes wayyyyyy back...

 

 

And yet for some reason I completely missed the misogynic undertone back then. 

 

Now looking at this makes me want to punch something.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
And yet for some reason I completely missed the misogynic undertone back then. 
 
Now looking at this makes me want to punch something.

I know there are series that cover this aspect, but this series went on throughout the entire manga, which is annoying because it's like it never got solved. Avatar only did it for one episode, why this one has to do throughout the entire 700+ chapters.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

SS fan:I am so shocked that Karin is Salad's mother.

 

[Namikaze Clan]

Well on the bright side, at least Sarada will be OP as kitten. Now that she has Uzumaki blood in her. She might even get the rinnegan at a young age.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I know there are series that cover this aspect, but this series went on throughout the entire manga, which is annoying because it's like it never got solved. Avatar only did it for one episode, why this one has to do throughout the entire 700+ chapters.

 

That would be because the problem is with the writer himself being sexist. It was really just his own true colors showing through.

[Lady Lys]

I know I'm late to the party, but, really, this chapter. SNORT. The Snortiest Snort ever Snorted. 

 

I feel sorry for Sakura, really, she's being kicked down even when she's on the ground. They are armed with drills and continue digging.

This series has stooped so low I can't even..... I feel like when I was 12 coming home from school and having to seat for lunch with my gran watching 'Beautiful', a total, complete, nonsensical car-wreck. And I'm continuing to read it just for the sake of the LULZ and the abundant WTFs. 

 

But seeing some psycho-fans explode and try to justify this is so bloody effin' GLORIOUS. Keep it coming Kishimoto, we all know you're a kitten writer, now we're curious to see how low can you get with your story telling. 

 

 

This is sooooo much the posthumous vendetta of all sane fans. It's so glorious. 

 

 

Peace, happiness and Lulz to you all. 

[SlyNinjaKnight]

I'm wondering if Kishi is going to pull some insane reason on why Karin is Sarada's mother, but at the same time so is Sakura. Something like Sakura was infertile due to something that we've never seen, and while Karin could have children, her womb was destroyed when Sasuke stabbed her, and so Sarada is actually a test tube baby, a mix of Sasuke and Karin but 'birthed' through Sakura. Wouldn't put it past Kishi to do something like this with all the crap that he's pulled since arguably the Pain fight arc.

 

First post!!

[Nar123]

I'm wondering if Kishi is going to pull some insane reason on why Karin is Sarada's mother, but at the same time so is Sakura. Something like Sakura was infertile due to something that we've never seen, and while Karin could have children, her womb was destroyed when Sasuke stabbed her, and so Sarada is actually a test tube baby, a mix of Sasuke and Karin but 'birthed' through Sakura. Wouldn't put it past Kishi to do something like this with all the crap that he's pulled since arguably the Pain fight arc.

 

First post!!

 

Welcome

 

And knowing Kishi I wouldn't find this hard to believe tbh, that man is definitely not a very good writer but he is good at asspulls and retcons