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[KnS]

she's supossed to be the most powerfull villain, dude. 

 

Is she?  Are we certain of that?  Or is it what we've been led to believe?  

 

I mean, many readers thought Madara was too powerful to be defeated and couldn't see how it would work out, and then Kaguya came out of nowhere.  How do we know there isn't something more and/or different around the corner?  Especially when there are hints and clues to unresolved details, and as they stand they feel unfinished and nonsensical?

 

Since I intend to continue reading the story, I'm willing to keep an open mind and see if there's more to it.

 

Maybe it was simply the first milestone of a test between the "sons" and their philosophies...?

[Hiraishin]

Hmmmm....

 

Complaining about people complaining about people complaining is just as annoying especially when they say they can't, but think that only they have a right to criticize. Like it has been said many times, you can always not read the manga at all and ignore it entirely.

No, see it is not the criticism anymore....rather it is the hypocrisy that is people's criticism has become that I am not really sure people understand what they are doing.

 

"I want Sakura to have a power-up."
-Sakura gets Byakugou seal-
"Man, that is such an asspull power with no explanation."

"I want Kaguya to be defeated already and the war to end because this is taking too long"
-Kaguya get defeated and sealed in this chapter-
"Man, that was way too rushed, quick, and easy. This is bad writing. I was hoping Kishi would make it drawn out."

The list keeps going....You can have that privilege of a criticism, but people have become very much hypocritical in what they want, what they expect, and what they deem is "right." Even if they get exactly what they wanted...it is apparently not exactly what they wanted. Basically I can sum practically almost all criticism so far as: "Well, it is not what I wanted."
It's not bad writing because it is not written poorly or it is not right, but rather it is bad writing because "It is not what I wanted."

This is why it is hard to work in any media because in truth you cannot please everyone so instead you write the story you want and ignore every single comment of people who really don't know what they want from this story. I could say that if they wanted to they should write it their way, but imagine if they wrote it exactly what they wanted...and everyone hated it. How would you feel? If the idea is to express what you hate, then why shouldn't a person express their hate for people who can't stop complaining? They find the negative criticism just as annoying and just as pointless as you find what they say is annoying.

This is where a third party should really come in and say "You know what would really solve the problem? Everyone should just shut up and keep their comments to themselves. That way, no one can be annoyed. Ever heard the saying: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.""



 

I was obviously talking about criticising the manga, not other people. What I said stands. You complain about Sasuke all the time, why can't people do the same with other aspects of the manga? This is a forum after all. It's made for discussion. People should only talk about what they liked, what kind of discussion is that? How boring. Kishi chose to put his manga out there, so it's expected that it would receive both positive and negative feedback. That's normal and natural, and it's okay. People have opinions that aren't the same as yours, and that's okay, ya dig?

That's what I do, I generally ignore a lot of the negative posters, or just don't take their comments to heart.

People should follow what you do tbh.

Edited by Hiraishin, 29 August 2014 - 05:03 AM.

[Khaleesi]

 

Is she?  Are we certain of that?  Or is it what we've been led to believe?  

 

I mean, many readers thought Madara was too powerful to be defeated and couldn't see how it would work out, and then then Kaguya came out of nowhere.  How do we know there isn't something more and/or different around the corner?  Especially when there are hints and clues to unresolved details, and as they stand they feel unfinished and nonsensical?

 

Since I intend to continue reading the story, I'm willing to keep an open mind and see if there's more to it.

 

Maybe it was simply the first milestone of a test between the "sons" and their philosophies...?

she's the mother of everything (?) if she's not strong, what is her purpose and she hasn't defeated a lot of people before? that's part of her story. but on this battle she almost did anything...

 

and i'm waiting too, there are a lot of questions that have to be solved, and we have Hagoromo for explain Kaguya's history and what the kitten happened to Hamura

Edited by theunburnt, 29 August 2014 - 05:07 AM.

[KnS]

she's the mother of everything (?) if she's not strong, what is her purpose and she hasn't defeated a lot of people before? that's part of her story. but on this battle she almost did anything...

 

We were told that Obito was Madara, too, but that didn't make any sense based on what we'd been told before or had seen with our own eyes. 

 

The only point I'm trying to make is that there is still room to speculate that things are not as they seem.  We can assume that Kishimoto is the worst mangaka in the history of bad mangaka, or we can consider the possibility that something else may happen that sheds light on why this part of the story was flat and lame to a lot of people.

and i'm waiting too, there are a lot of questions that have to be solved, and we have Hagoromo for explain Kaguya's history and what the fuck happened to Hamura

 

And the castles in the other dimensions.  And Sasuke's real plans.  And... And... And....

[Khaleesi]

 

We were told that Obito was Madara, too, but that didn't make any sense based on what we'd been told before or had seen with our own eyes. 

 

The only point I'm trying to make is that there is still room to speculate that things are not as they seem.  We can assume that Kishimoto is the worst mangaka in the history of bad mangaka, or we can consider the possibility that something else may happen that sheds light on why this part of the story was flat and lame to a lot of people.

 

And the castles in the other dimensions.  And Sasuke's real plans.  And... And... And....

 

I think that that Obito-Madara thing was different, but whatever, i'm waiting!! we are close to the end !!

 

you are cute, asdafa

#bye

[James S Cassidy]

she's supossed to be the most powerfull villain, dude. i wanted it to end that fight already, so i'm happy. but the fight could be way better, and people could have say that it was an awesome battle even if it lasted the same as the actual fight

it seemed "rushed" because Kaguya did almost nothing and has no personality, BZ it was the master mind behind everything

Again, Power does not mean intelligent. Sometimes power is stupidity. Kaguya has infinite power to do what she wants, but that power could make you overzealous and irrational. Imagine how many villains who had been taken down because they didn't think well enough or thought they were too invincible to be taken down.

Take another example: The Death Star in Star Wars. It was said to be the most powerful thing in the galaxy and yet it was easily taken out by a small missile in a tiny exhaust port. Something said to be impossible to do because of how defensive the ship was or was thought to be.

In fact, that power could be the very weakness that was exploited. Our strengths can be our greatest weakness.

Now we will come to an ever boring Sasuke vs Naruto fight who Sasuke isn't even a threat to anything and we all know what kind of outcome will occur.
 

 

I was obviously talking about criticising the manga, not other people. What I said stands. You complain about Sasuke all the time, why can't people do the same with other aspects of the manga? This is a forum after all. It's made for discussion. People should only talk about what they liked, what kind of discussion is that? How boring. Kishi chose to put his manga out there, so it's expected that it would receive both positive and negative feedback. That's normal and natural, and it's okay. People have opinions that aren't the same as yours, and that's okay, ya dig?

 

People should follow what you do tbh.

lol. I am talking about one thing...you're talking about another...and we are trying to make them related.

And I am obviously talking about what kind of degree that criticism comes from and why I find fault with their kind of criticism because of a circular logic and question the paradox of logic. I am criticizing their logic. You say we have a right...no. We don't have a right to an opinion...we have the privilege to an opinion. Yes, I do complain about Sasuke all the time...as does Nate complain about Obito and the likes of so many other member scomplained about so many characters. In a funny sort of way, I do, but keep a balance.

What's really going to bake your noodle even more is...why can't you just ignore my posts? If you say ignoring someone's opinion is that easy then why are you still replying to me? It is an obvious reason why. As humans we crave confrontation....we crave challenge....we crave...debates. You said so yourself that if everyone liked it then it would be boring. Well, if everyone hated it, then it would be boring too and thus like the same way would erase the very purpose of the forum itself.

So in a way....I need you as much as you need me to be that confrontational otherwise what is the point of a debate at all? Ignore posts? Might as well put this site out of business and close it down if everyone just ignored each other. What would be the purpose? If everyone ignored posts because they disagreed....well, then this "forum" wouldn't be a forum at all, but a comment section.

You talk about accepting people's different opinions and yet you tell me I cannot have my own opinion on your opinion? That's seems rather selfish of you. Why can't I criticize your opinion? Is there a law against it?. You said you find it annoying. Well, I find people complaining annoying, but you tell me I should just accept it. Kind of have to take your own advice, wouldn't you say?

Remember, I didn't reply to anyone in particular. I said my view and that was it. You all replied to me and I am just following through with it. You could have easily ignored it then and stopped the discussion right there. You can even stop the discussion right now if you want to. I am not going to reply until there is motive to after this.

I still don't understand why some who really do express pure hatred for this manga actually still read it, but that is an answer I will never ever know.

lmao. I'll even play a small argument with myself here just to get it out of the way

 

Person A: "If you hate people being negative, why not just not come to the forum? If you hate it here, why stay?"

Person B: "Well, if you can't stand people criticizing your opinion, why don't you leave?"


 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 29 August 2014 - 06:01 AM.

[Khaleesi]

Again, Power does not mean intelligent. Sometimes power is stupidity. Kaguya has infinite power to do what she wants, but that power could make you overzealous and irrational. Imagine how many villains who had been taken down because they didn't think well enough or thought they were too invincible to be taken down.

Take another example: The Death Star in Star Wars. It was said to be the most powerful thing in the galaxy and yet it was easily taken out by a small missile in a tiny exhaust port. Something said to be impossible to do because of how defensive the ship was or was thought to be.

In fact, that power could be the very weakness that was exploited. Our strengths can be our greatest weakness.

Now we will come to an ever boring Sasuke vs Naruto fight who Sasuke isn't even a threat to anything and we all know what kind of outcome will occur.

 

It's funny because i have said something like that 2 days ago, i know how it can be 'solved' , but even in that scenarycould have be way better... and i can't explain it very well, because english is not my first language

[ns.Believe.It]

Hmmmm....

 

Complaining about people complaining about people complaining is just as annoying especially when they say they can't, but think that only they have a right to criticize. Like it has been said many times, you can always not read the manga at all and ignore it entirely.

No, see it is not the criticism anymore....rather it is the hypocrisy that is people's criticism has become that I am not really sure people understand what they are doing.

 

"I want Sakura to have a power-up."
-Sakura gets Byakugou seal-
"Man, that is such an asspull power with no explanation."

"I want Kaguya to be defeated already and the war to end because this is taking too long"
-Kaguya get defeated and sealed in this chapter-
"Man, that was way too rushed, quick, and easy. This is bad writing. I was hoping Kishi would make it drawn out."

The list keeps going....You can have that privilege of a criticism, but people have become very much hypocritical in what they want, what they expect, and what they deem is "right." Even if they get exactly what they wanted...it is apparently not exactly what they wanted. Basically I can sum practically almost all criticism so far as: "Well, it is not what I wanted."
It's not bad writing because it is not written poorly or it is not right, but rather it is bad writing because "It is not what I wanted."

This is why it is hard to work in any media because in truth you cannot please everyone so instead you write the story you want and ignore every single comment of people who really don't know what they want from this story. I could say that if they wanted to they should write it their way, but imagine if they wrote it exactly what they wanted...and everyone hated it. How would you feel? If the idea is to express what you hate, then why shouldn't a person express their hate for people who can't stop complaining? They find the negative criticism just as annoying and just as pointless as you find what they say is annoying.

This is where a third party should really come in and say "You know what would really solve the problem? Everyone should just shut up and keep their comments to themselves. That way, no one can be annoyed. Ever heard the saying: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.""



 

Well said James. This situation seems to be getting worse each chapter. This always happens in Football forums. Some people who have been fans of a football club for a long time forget the fact that they are just fans and start complaining about each and every thing about the club, the manager, the players, the way the club's being run etc. Its like the ordinary fans start believing they know better than the experienced manager, the qualified executives and the players who have been in the profession their entire lives. Some criticism will be justified and is okay but to keep complaining about every damn thing is just annoying. Its like- are these people even fans or just critics?

 

I was obviously talking about criticising the manga, not other people. What I said stands. You complain about Sasuke all the time, why can't people do the same with other aspects of the manga? This is a forum after all. It's made for discussion. People should only talk about what they liked, what kind of discussion is that? How boring. Kishi chose to put his manga out there, so it's expected that it would receive both positive and negative feedback. That's normal and natural, and it's okay. People have opinions that aren't the same as yours, and that's okay, ya dig?

I agree with this as well. I admit, I don't like certain aspects in this manga too (BROMANCEEEEE..Ugh) But you know there are some who complain about every single panel of every single chapter. They never say anything positive but all they add is constant negative comments to the discussion. Don't you agree this is just completely pointless and annoying to others?

[Hiraishin]

I agree with this as well. I admit, I don't like certain aspects in this manga too (BROMANCEEEEE..Ugh) But you know there are some who complain about every single panel of every single chapter. They never say anything positive but all they add is constant negative comments to the discussion. Don't you agree this is just completely pointless and annoying to others?

Oh, I do agree. It's just that I don't completely agree with the "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it all" notion, at least when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Edited by Hiraishin, 29 August 2014 - 06:07 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Well said James. This situation seems to be getting worse each chapter. This always happens in Football forums. Some people who have been fans of a football club for a long time forget the fact that they are just fans and start complaining about each and every thing about the club, the manager, the players, the way the club's being run etc. Its like the ordinary fans start believing they know better than the experienced manager, the qualified executives and the players who have been in the profession their entire lives. Some criticism will be justified and is okay but to keep complaining about every damn thing is just annoying. Its like- are these people even fans or just critics?

 

I agree with this as well. I admit, I don't like certain aspects in this manga too (BROMANCEEEEE..Ugh) But you know there are some who complain about every single panel of every single chapter. They never say anything positive but all they add is constant negative comments to the discussion. Don't you agree this is just completely pointless and annoying to others?

We are all experts XDD

Humans are flawed and we make a lot of mistakes, but sometimes...and I emphasis, sometimes...we don't really know what we are talking about. I remember a good quote from Bruce Almighty that I feel plays what I mean...
 

Bruce: There were so many. I just gave them all what they want.

God: Yeah. But since when does anyone have a clue about what they want?

 

[ns.Believe.It]

We are all experts XDD

Humans are flawed and we make a lot of mistakes, but sometimes...and I emphasis, sometimes...we don't really know what we are talking about. I remember a good quote from Bruce Almighty that I feel plays what I mean...
 

Bruce: There were so many. I just gave them all what they want.

God: Yeah. But since when does anyone have a clue about what they want?

 

Yes, pretty much this. Like they say, Keep doing something and you'll become an expert at that. It applies in these cases. Some start out voicing minor criticism in debates but over time tend to become fully-fledged critics. All this ever does is reduce the level of satisfaction that being a normal fan ,who just goes with whatever happens, brings. Being a fan should be so simple but some just ruin it for themselves by having expectations and later throwing tantrums when it doesn't happen the way they wanted it to. Its like we forget the very reasons why we became fans in the first place. Can the phrase Go back to your roots apply for fans? It would certainly help bringing back the enjoyment that fans get when they were just rookies.

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 29 August 2014 - 06:39 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Yes, pretty much this. Like they say, Keep doing something and you'll become an expert at that. It applies in these cases. Some start out voicing minor criticism in debates but over time tend to become fully-fledged critics. All this ever does is reduce the level of satisfaction that being a normal fan ,who just goes with whatever happens, brings. Being a fan should be so simple but some just ruin it for themselves by having expectations and later throwing tantrums when it doesn't happen the way they wanted it to. Its like we forget the very reasons why we became fans in the first place. 

The real question is where is that line drawn? It is a such a fine line that sometimes we can cross it without even realizing it.

[Gojira]

Decent chapter, so glad its over the fact this chapter was quickly paced is icing on the cake

[ns.Believe.It]

The real question is where is that line drawn? It is a such a fine line that sometimes we can cross it without even realizing it.

True. We tend to get attached to whatever it is that we like . This causes the problem. Either we are happy when our expectations are satisfied or disappointed when we are let down. Its very difficult to always maintain the neutral emotions once you become a hardcore fan.

[soraandven]

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[soraandven]

Decent chapter, so glad its over the fact this chapter was quickly paced is icing on the cake

yeah i liked it to very much actually

[redrose3443]

It's good to have everyone together, with Kaguya and BZ gone.

 

Though I am interested in what will happen. Will Sasuke betray Naruto in front of everyone or will he do it after Madara is redeemed and the edo kages disappear? Maybe Madara wakes up and kidnaps Sasuke, thus seetting the tone for part three. Hamura could appear as the final villain and we get T7+Edo kages+Madara+sage battle. Maybe the sage just needed Naruto and Sasuke to get rid of his mother before he tries to take over the world. The possibilities seem endless, but one thing that's for sure is that something is gonna change this happy atmosphere in the next chapter or two.

[rocci]

@ns.belive it
What's your football fanclub?

Will naruto end in the next 4 chapter? or we will get the final arc next year.

[Otaru]

There is something strange here to me. If Sasuke is the parallel of Hamura while Naruto is the parallel of Hagoromo, then that means that Hamura had the symbol of Yin in his own hand (the crescent moon) and Hagoromo had the Yang symbol (Sun or full moon, i dunno). About this it's impossible to deny, since Kishimoto showed us a panel where we can see them sealing Kaguya. So the question is legitimate: Why Hagoromo had, not only the yang symbol, but also the yin which it was from his brother? O.o How did he get that yin symbol (crescent moon)? This is really the question of a one million of dollars.

 
LOL that's exactly what I was talking about many pages ago ^^

[ns.Believe.It]

@ns.belive it
What's your football fanclub?

Arsenal FC. Its become one of the most criticized and hated clubs in the world, probably due to media influence. This effect is so strong that even some of the so called 'fans' do nothing but moan and complain about everything, constantly. Its really embarrassing. *sighs*