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[Change]

Ah no! They can have teamwork, friendship, resolution or anything for all I care. I support NS and Sakura and I am just concerned with them. But throwing in moments to toy with the fandoms is not right, right? The last sentence is what I want to say. I am not bothered by the 'moment' but the intention behind it

That's kishimoto though, he is always doing that. Hell I'll be surprised the day he doesn't do that

[luffyq1]

Highly doubt it.

You never know.

[only Naruto]

The protagonists love interest is stolen by someone else through sexual acts. There are many other ways of going about it, but this one seems to be the front runner.

oooh ok thanks .. it might happen . but unlikely to me .

[James S Cassidy]

.....And then Kishi gives us a huge NS moment in the upcoming chapters and everyone will forget the stupid cover art, and 685, and be over excited and such....just like how everyone forgot a lot of things in the past because apparently we live moment by moment.

From the way I see it, Kishi has every fandom at the edge of his seat. NS, NH, SS...we are all actually in the same canoe, but we all have paddles going in different directions and instead of going straight we are just going in circles. It's just funny how some feel Kishi is against us when he basically is toying with every fandom. Naruto hasn't changed his feelings and shown no hints of doing so, Sasuke hasn't changed his feelings and show no hints of doing so, Sakura....is up in the air and we can't decide what is real (Though I still take Kakashi's words to heart), Hinata hasn't changed at all, and Karin hasn't changed at all.

Welcome to the apparently straight line affect of Kishi romance subplot:
Hinata---->Naruto----->Sakura------->?
Karin ---->Sasuke----->Itachi/Naruto.

What's worse is when you think about it Naruto loving Hinata and Sasuke loving Sakura is OOC. Being this late in the game how could they just fall in love with someone else? Or maybe we are just toying with ourselves? How funny would it be if in the end we found out that Kishi basically says "How could you not figure it out? I thought I made it obvious" and turns out we were the ones who blinded ourselves.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 July 2014 - 07:04 PM.

[Nefertieh]

Lol you're like the only person who has a problem with cursed words being censored
Yea I know and if you're implying to change my statement, I won't

 

Please read my original sentence again and tell me where exactly I said you should somehow magically override the forum's server autocensor to add vowels back into your sentence:

 

"I'm just going to add that I hope people find more creative adjectives other than curse words with asterisks in the middle."

 

I'm not implying for you to change your sentence. You said it was impossible for you to do anything about a post you made. I simply said that was untrue. If I was bothered about your post, I would have just reported it.

 

NB: I sincerely apologize if English is not your first language.

Edited by Nefertieh, 23 July 2014 - 06:49 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Why couldn't have he made Sakura stay on a separate horse like the others? I am not bothered by his drawing per se, I am bothered by its representation and the way he is contradicting his own manga and ruining some development and its image.

Look at the bright side, at least she's not like Asuna from that Overrated anime Sword Art Online, she starts kicking ass and then later loses her light for Kirito to shine and becames a housewife waifu with the only purpose of serving as princess peach on the next arc which ended with Kirito pulling off a DEUS EX MACHINA.
Sakura > Asuna.
 

.....And then Kishi gives us a huge NS moment in the upcoming chapters and everyone will forget the stupid cover art, and 685, and be over excited and such....just like how everyone forgot a lot of things in the past because apparently we live moment by moment.

From the way I see it, Kishi has every fandom at the edge of his seat. NS, NH, SS...we are all actually in the same canoe, but we all have paddles going in different directions and instead of going straight we are just going in circles. It's just funny how some feel Kishi is against us when he basically is toying with every fandom. Naruto hasn't changed his feelings and shown no hints of doing so, Sasuke hasn't changed his feelings and show no hints of doing so, Sakura....is up in the air and we can't decide was is real (Though I still take Kakashi's words to heart), Hinata hasn't changed at all, and Karin hasn't changed at all.

Welcome to the apparently straight line affect of Kishi romance subplot:
Hinata---->Naruto----->Sakura------->?
Karin ---->Sasuke----->Itachi/Naruto.

What's worse is when you think about it Naruto loving Hinata and Sasuke loving Sakura is OOC. Being this late in the game how could they just fall in love with someone else? Or maybe we are just toying with ourselves? How funny would it be if in the end we found out that Kishi basically says "How could you not figure it out? I thought I made it obvious" and turns out we were the ones who blinded ourselves.

That's the solely reason i'm not really caring about pairings as much as before in Naruto.
The solely reason is him pulling off fanservice on the late game, despite Sword Art Online being a piece of trash, it shows that not all stories must end with a guy getting a girl.
All the development Naruto and Sakura had should have already made them canon ages ago, but Kishimoto keeps dragging it on for the solely purpose of drama hurting the romance subplot and Sakura's character aswell, my take is no matter how NS will become the final pairing on the final it wont end in a satisfatory note, it will be likely rushed and wont respond many questions, it will be instead raise many questions.
An example of this is people saying she doesnt love Sasuke anymore, i dont know how she reached that conclusion because it's mostly done offpanel.

It doesnt matter which side claims victory in the end it wont end on a satisfatory note, however i do see an open ending drawing near.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 23 July 2014 - 06:58 PM.

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Please read my original sentence again and tell me where exactly I said you should somehow magically override the forum's server autocensor to add vowels back into your sentence:
 
"I'm just going to add that I hope people find more creative adjectives other than curse words with asterisks in the middle."
 
I'm not implying for you to change your sentence. You said it was impossible for you to do anything about a post you made. I simply said that was untrue. If I was bothered about your post, I would have just reported it.
 
NB: I sincerely apologize if English is not your first language.

I never said you said to override the the auto censor
I never said it was impossible to change what I said, what I did mean to say, if you didn't get it, was that I couldn't do anything about the auto censor
Anyways let's just drop it, it's a stupid argument

[Nefertieh]

Why couldn't have he made Sakura stay on a separate horse like the others? I am not bothered by his drawing per se, I am bothered by its representation and the way he is contradicting his own manga and ruining some development and its image.

 

Because a lot of famous Westerns have damsels.

[James S Cassidy]

Look at the bright side, at least she's not like Asuna from that Overrated anime Sword Art Online, she starts kicking ass and then later loses her light for Kirito to shine and becames a housewife waifu with the only purpose of serving as princess peach on the next arc which ended with Kirito pulling off a DEUS EX MACHINA.
Sakura > Asuna.

She's only really like that for one arc and a rather short at that. Later she becomes a lot more important and integral of the story. Especially when she starts to support Kirito in ways while being on the side-lines. But then everyone is sidelined during GGO

[Inferno180]

 

I have never been more convinced that some of you are simply addicted to drama.  Good grief.

 

Some -- okay, most -- of this fear, bad faith, hysteria, hand-wringing, melodramatics -- whatever you want to call it -- is based on assumptions you have made yourselves.  It reminds me of children who become convinced there is a monster under their bed at night.  It is an unfounded, erroneous fear that defies logic, but by recycling the fear in their minds -- over and over -- it becomes real.

 

Sigh.

 

Many of you are projecting your presumptions onto Kishimoto:  He's a sadistic troll.  He doesn't care about his story.  He doesn't care that he's making NS look bad compared to other ships.  He's regressing Sakura's character.  He's reckless.  Ad infinitum.  

 

The fact is, we don't know jack squat about Kishimoto or his motives.  But by applying logic -- which is underrated, by the way -- what we do know is that Kishimoto's reputation and livelihood are intertwined with this manga.  He has spent 15 years of his life on it.  It is likely to be the defining achievement of his career, and his legacy.  He admits that once it's over he owes his wife a honeymoon and more time with his children because he's been a workaholic who spends his evenings at the studio.

 

He doesn't care?  He's sadistic for the hell of it?  He's mindlessly messing around with YOUR pairing?

 

This past week, the majority of the discussion revolved around concerns that something was going to happen with SS.  The HORROR!!!  But as many calmer souls predicted (myself included), it was a non-event that Kishimoto glossed over.  It appears to have been nothing more than a brief moment of basic decency from Sasuke, wherein he expressed his gratitude to Sakura by choosing -- for once -- not to be an overtly nasty and condescending asshat.  He didn't thank her, but he didn't say anything crappy, either.  For Sasuke, that's a big-souled moment.

 

Of course it still failed Naruto's acid test of how he expects Sakura-chan to be treated; Obito too, for that matter.  And the only reason for Naruto's confrontational question to be included was to highlight that he's thinking of Sakura, knows Sasuke is a complete tool, and for Kishimoto to skewer anyone who thought Sasuke had changed significantly.

 

So you got what you wanted.  No SS details to mar the progress of NS, plus a moment of Naruto's concern for Sakura (and still calling her Sakura-chan, by the way).  Cool.  

 

But wait... No... now it's the OMFG!ColorCoverTRAVESTY!!!!1!1!!  Cue for more drama.  Sigh.

 

You know what I saw when I looked at the color cover?  I saw a hero in the lead, followed by his two sidekick friends who are equal in terms of his reliance on them for support of his quest for Good, followed by their sensei.  I saw Kishimoto summing up the basic plot of the story in a new, Wild West motif. 

 

What I did NOT see is a reason for fear, doubt, and angry denouncements that Kishimoto doesn't care about his story, about Sakura's development, or about NS.  Those are fan presumptions not based on fact.  Look underneath the underneath does not mean straining to see the monster under the bed.  Remember, the target audience for this story is younger boys.  It's not going to require charts, maps, a degree in psychology, and encyclopedic knowledge on the history of Japan and ninja culture to understand the story.

 

Kishimoto knows what he doing with his characters and the pairings. He has a plan and he's working it.  There is absolutely no reason to react to every little thing as if it's some kind of conspiracy on his part to destroy your investment in NS.  Kishimoto has A LOT more invested in it than you do.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

KnS, for a long time I spoke of how kishi is not actively messing with the pairings, this isn't like what the fillers or SD did, he and his team are on a time table for getting a story done, fanservice and other stuff is only so limited. This is why I don't call kishi as active a troll as others think and why I constantly say people saying he messes with the pairings, its just an excuse, because if he actively messed with them, the subplot would not be as messed up as it already is. Stuff like 631 and 663 which did drive the other fandoms crazy, it was just his intent. When events like 615 and 685 came though, it drove some NS fans to saddness but that was again, his intent to portray stuff like that, and yet it was also his intent to not carry that NH and SS event out as the fans wanted. It was just as you said, the result of the fandom being overreactive.

 

Though I must say, it is for a fact, helpful for NS fans to realize all the stuff made before won't just go away in favor of something else, its just bad writing, even for eventful purposes on some other idea. Like if SS went canon then yes as far as anything else went, it would be bad writing and some people would worry about that but others, they know there is a lot of backup material that has to come to a certain point, anything previously built has to come to a point where it all comes together well thats NS. So fortunately for our fandom, its gotten the lions share and grown the most development wise and hinted storywise. Its good for our fandom that it still remains the most likely, its only bad when fans overreact and its situations like today having no SS moment that make it a clear, chill out don't torment yourself for the next one type deal. I mean this wasn't as bad as 631 back then, the other fandoms made such a riot out of a moment to be taken as a hint, we got over 469 and 615 but even I am surprised some people went as far as they did with last chapter, but for all purposes, maybe its died down now and won't be an issue since the event has for all purposes at least been defused and that because we are coming upon a final battle with kagyua, now there maybe no more distractions.

[narusaku256]

 
Well you can't let a cover image bother you that much. Remember when people were making fun of some NH fans because of the volume cover with Naruto and Hinata holding hands? You don't want to be lumped with them!
 
I honestly don't believe there was any "intention" behind the moment other than to show Sasuke and Sakura were literally entering the fight together, because Sakura had just rescued him in the last chapter.

Sorry for not being clearer earlier. I said that even if the colour image didn't come out...my opinion would still be the same. In other words, I am not bothered by that cover pic or whatever it is since its not even closer what Naruto's theme is! But for all I know, he made that...just to troll the fandoms and that's what irked me.

[Nefertieh]

I never said you said to override the the auto censor
I never said it was impossible to change what I said, what I did mean to say, if you didn't get it, was that I couldn't do anything about the auto censor
Anyways let's just drop it, it's a stupid argument

 

I didn't say you were. I'm exaggerating what you were inferring from me.

 

This isn't an argument, just a sad case of Please-Read-My-Original-Sentence.

[narusaku256]

That's kishimoto though, he is always doing that. Hell I'll be surprised the day he doesn't do that

Seems like it...really!

[Nefertieh]

Sorry for not being clearer earlier. I said that even if the colour image didn't come out...my opinion would still be the same. In other words, I am not bothered by that cover pic or whatever it is since its not even closer what Naruto's theme is! But for all I know, he made that...just to troll the fandoms and that's what irked me.

 

Well, the reason why I'm not bothered is because I'm reading it in the context the last fifty chapters have hammered in again and again that

a) Sakura doesn't trust Sasuke,
b) Sakura's feeings are different, and
c) Sasuke would let Sakura drop into a pit of lava if he had the chance.

You don't have to apologize.

Edited by Nefertieh, 23 July 2014 - 07:00 PM.

[FireFox]

Ah no! They can have teamwork, friendship, resolution or anything for all I care. I support NS and Sakura and I am just concerned with them. But throwing in moments to toy with the fandoms is not right, right? The last sentence is what I want to say. I am not bothered by the 'moment' but the intention behind it

Just let it go men people will condemn you despite giving reasonable arguments of why this playing with the parings sucks and doing this just hurts NS image in the process of becoming canon (not that NS is done ain't happening bc of a cover  ) but oh well it seems that the cover represents the past chapters of Sasuke and Sakura "working together" so going by that interpretation should I take Kishimoto making her blush in here as that SS was romantic in 685 even though it was skipped ? Now you tell me if he isn't just playing sign .

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

She's only really like that for one arc and a rather short at that. Later she becomes a lot more important and integral of the story. Especially when she starts to support Kirito in ways while being on the side-lines. But then everyone is sidelined during GGO

It's two arcs, the first Arc is Sao and the second the ALfheim Online.(Super Mario + Perfect World)

I'm pointing out is that she starts off being strong as Kirito being able to stand on her own, and she does thought until chapter 9 of the anime, she then starts being a support and Kirito starts to shine, it makes worse when they receive that walking DEUS EX machina(Yuuki), who serves as a cheater console and giving secret advices about the game.
So the hero of the story, is not a pro, but a Gary Stu who cheats his way on various MMO's, and Asuna a pro player who becomes a support and waifu.
Any fan of MMO hates cheaters how can the main be likeable it's looks like an insult to me and he even solo bosses WTF.
If SAO was World of Warcraft he would been pretty raped on Naxxaramas.

Although the begining of the manga the first 2-3 chapters were perfect a masterpiece until his first guild is disbanded.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 23 July 2014 - 07:06 PM.

[narusaku256]

 
Well, the reason why I'm not bothered is because I'm reading it in the context the last fifty chapters have hammered in again and again that a) Sakura doesn't trust Sasuke, b) Sakura's feeings are different, and c) Sasuke would let Sakura drop into a pit of lava if he had the chance.

You don't have to apologize.

Yeah! I mean we have like....650+ development chapters and what could Sasuke even possibly do even if he developed feelings for Sakura? That's still stretching things a bit too far, but let's just consider it that way. Sakura is not that kind of a girl who'd forget what Naruto has done for her just because Sasuke showed slight interest or shared a moment of kindness with her. And besides Sasuke having feelings for her won't erase what he did to her in the past and it won't erase Naruto and Sakura's development either. And there are numerous other things like this which you know better than me!

It just irks me to no bounds when someone toys with me

[Transformers03]

 

I have never been more convinced that some of you are simply addicted to drama.  Good grief.

 

Some -- okay, most -- of this fear, bad faith, hysteria, hand-wringing, melodramatics -- whatever you want to call it -- is based on assumptions you have made yourselves.  It reminds me of children who become convinced there is a monster under their bed at night.  It is an unfounded, erroneous fear that defies logic, but by recycling the fear in their minds -- over and over -- it becomes real.

 

Sigh.

 

Many of you are projecting your presumptions onto Kishimoto:  He's a sadistic troll.  He doesn't care about his story.  He doesn't care that he's making NS look bad compared to other ships.  He's regressing Sakura's character.  He's reckless.  Ad infinitum.  

 

The fact is, we don't know jack squat about Kishimoto or his motives.  But by applying logic -- which is underrated, by the way -- what we do know is that Kishimoto's reputation and livelihood are intertwined with this manga.  He has spent 15 years of his life on it.  It is likely to be the defining achievement of his career, and his legacy.  He admits that once it's over he owes his wife a honeymoon and more time with his children because he's been a workaholic who spends his evenings at the studio.

 

He doesn't care?  He's sadistic for the hell of it?  He's mindlessly messing around with YOUR pairing?

 

This past week, the majority of the discussion revolved around concerns that something was going to happen with SS.  The HORROR!!!  But as many calmer souls predicted (myself included), it was a non-event that Kishimoto glossed over.  It appears to have been nothing more than a brief moment of basic decency from Sasuke, wherein he expressed his gratitude to Sakura by choosing -- for once -- not to be an overtly nasty and condescending asshat.  He didn't thank her, but he didn't say anything crappy, either.  For Sasuke, that's a big-souled moment.

 

Of course it still failed Naruto's acid test of how he expects Sakura-chan to be treated; Obito too, for that matter.  And the only reason for Naruto's confrontational question to be included was to highlight that he's thinking of Sakura, knows Sasuke is a complete tool, and for Kishimoto to skewer anyone who thought Sasuke had changed significantly.

 

So you got what you wanted.  No SS details to mar the progress of NS, plus a moment of Naruto's concern for Sakura (and still calling her Sakura-chan, by the way).  Cool.  

 

But wait... No... now it's the OMFG!ColorCoverTRAVESTY!!!!1!1!!  Cue for more drama.  Sigh.

 

You know what I saw when I looked at the color cover?  I saw a hero in the lead, followed by his two sidekick friends who are equal in terms of his reliance on them for support of his quest for Good, followed by their sensei.  I saw Kishimoto summing up the basic plot of the story in a new, Wild West motif. 

 

What I did NOT see is a reason for fear, doubt, and angry denouncements that Kishimoto doesn't care about his story, about Sakura's development, or about NS.  Those are fan presumptions not based on fact.  Look underneath the underneath does not mean straining to see the monster under the bed.  Remember, the target audience for this story is younger boys; it's not going to require charts, maps, a degree in psychology, and encyclopedic knowledge on the history of Japan and ninja culture to understand it.

 

Kishimoto knows what he's doing with his characters and the pairings. He has a plan and he's working it.  There is absolutely no reason to react to every little thing as if it's some kind of conspiracy on his part to destroy your investment in NS.  Kishimoto has A LOT more invested in it than you do.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

I ran out of likes, so instead I just reply to you and say I really like your post.

[natalieuciha]

 

If you read my post, you'll see that I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. I don't blame anyone for being a 'victim' of auto-censoring, I honestly hope this will encourage people to use some better adjectives.

 

"Jumping to conclusions"? You're the first one who seems to think that's the case. Moreover, I'm not the only person who has replied to you that Sasuke is not the only thing keeping sasusaku from being canon. Someone even posted a picture of a flying pig.

you're waisting my time so im gonna ignore you now..no hard feelings 

[Nefertieh]

Just let it go men people will condemn you despite giving reasonable arguments of why this playing with the parings sucks and doing this just hurts NS image in the process of becoming canon (not that NS is done ain't happening bc of a cover  ) but oh well it seems that the cover represents the past chapters of Sasuke and Sakura "working together" so going by that interpretation should I take Kishimoto making her blush in here as that SS was romantic in 685 even though it was skipped ? Now you tell me if he isn't just playing sign .

 

We have quite a civil discussion here so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

Yeah! I mean we have like....650+ development chapters and what could Sasuke even possibly do even if he developed feelings for Sakura? That's still stretching things a bit too far, but let's just consider it that way. Sakura is not that kind of a girl who'd forget what Naruto has done for her just because Sasuke showed slight interest or shared a moment of kindness with her. And besides Sasuke having feelings for her won't erase what he did to her in the past and it won't erase Naruto and Sakura's development either. And there are numerous other things like this which you know better than me!

It just irks me to no bounds when someone toys with me

 

I agree completely! Sorry, I've run out of approvals I can give out to posts today.

 

I didn't like the cover either actually. But I do remind myself I need to put things into context and not let it overshadow the actual story.

 

 

you're waisting my time so im gonna ignore you now..no hard feelings 

 

My apologies to you too if English isn't your first language.

Edited by Nefertieh, 23 July 2014 - 07:11 PM.