you see thats the problem with you, you think your opinion is universal truth. You say that you're defending Sakura's character yet you want her to still be in love with Sasuke until the end of the manga when a lot of people argue it's even more character assassination and you don't need to be a NS fan to see it : Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are the biggest hindrance to her character, they are badly developed makes no sense and are just there to create unecesseray drama for a terrible love triangle at the expense of Sakura herself, when it comes to Sasuke Sakura loses all self respect and dignity and it makes her character pathetic. Now that's fine if you don't see it that way but you won't change anybody's opinion on that matter.
Not gonna jump into his side. But i understand the reasoning behind why he defends Sakura still being in love with Sasuke.
The problem is not just Sakura's feelings towards Sasuke is poorly done but also the reasoning of she falling out of love from Sasuke is also poorly done, the whole handling of the love triangle sucks a lot. If you look at current development Sakura is going to fall out of love from Sasuke because he's evil, in opposition to the fact of choosing Naruto over Sasuke on equal grounds. What we see is Sakura not trusting Sasuke, Sakura viewing Sasuke as evil and etc... This does nothing of positive for NS, it actually does the opposite on my opinion it makes look Naruto as the only option and this is because Sai told Sakura that Naruto loves her.
What he wants is Sakura chosing Naruto despite having the chance of chasing a Sasuke that she "loved". That would tell without a doubt to the readers and mostly to Naruto that she truly loves him without any contestations, it would be theorically the best ending. Because the love triangle is a mess.
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Posted 21 May 2014 - 11:56 PM
Watch when Hinata gets free from the genjutsu and she runs to thank Naruto, she trips over Madara's severed legs. Jk.
I don't know what the kages are gonna do in their bad shape, unless Naruto fixes them up. Kakashi might have been strategizing for the past two chapters, which is why he hasn't spoken. I just would like for Kishi to have Naruto transfer some chakra, he has plenty of it and has done it before,so why not.
Sakura is the decider. She's in the middle of love triangle. Thus it up to her to finish this love triangle by still loving sasuke or accepting naruto love.
It will happen when naruto confess to sakura before or after his fight.
Part 2 is process for sakura, it will culminate in naruto confession and that would be the highest point of romance drama of this manga.
The same can be said to narusasu fight is the highest point of this manga.
Ss doesn't has chance to become canon pairing at the end of part one with sasuke rejection, and it's sakura love that make it alive. Sasuke is her first love. It's up to sakura to let it go. That's why I disagree when sasuke fall in love with sakura, because if it really happen kishi practically make ss canon and make the love triangle complicated.
There will be a pairing in the end and it's name is NS with it's development and kishi intention to make naruto own family completed with his child.
At this point, I think any pairing service outside of NaruSaku is intended to string along those fandoms to the end. Kishi knows that if he makes NS canon too early, he will probably lose a lot of readers that are emotionally invested in the other pairings. For every NH, SS moment, a much larger NS comes fairly soon afterword. Soon is a relative term because we have to wait a week between chapters. The way I see it, if Naruto or Sakura (and the I don't think the tailed beast power can prevent it) get caught in the genjutsu the pairing war is over. If the jutsu realizes everyone's deepest desires, Sakura may see where her heart truly lies. There may be a very bad week where SS gets new life only to be destroyed soon afterward. Sakura may see Sauske back as the good guy briefly, but if that happens what is Naruto's fate? Is he dead, evil, or with Hinata? How will she feel? She is said to have innate genjutsu skills. Could these and her realization of the truth that she's trapped in a lie help her to escape? Maybe. If Naruto gets caught, it's definitely over. I see something like this (maybe a pipe dream, but at least there's hope):
Naruto is caught. Sakura is near him and somehow manages to stay free of the jutsu. She tries to snap him out of it unsuccessfully. She tries to use the release technique like back at the chunin exames and is somehow pulled into Naruto's genjutsu. She can see it all but she can't interact. She sees the villiage thriving. They are preparing for some event. She sees workers busy carving Naruto's face into the wall above the villiage. She assumes that the preparations for the ceremony bestowing the title of hokage on Naruto. She looks for Naruto and finds him. She tries desperately to get through to him, but fails. She then realizes that he's already Hokage. So what's the event. A wedding to marry Sakura maybe? Everyone one is in attendance including Minato, Kushina, and Jiraya. Sauske having been "saved" is best man. Vows where Naruto reaffirms how he really feels, and how Sakura finally realized it are exchanged. The real Sakura witnesses everything. She feels defeated because she can't break him free to save the world and make everything right. Kurama comes to her and gives her the chakra that she needs to break him free. Naruto must then fight with Sakura at his side to keep from falling into the jutsu again.
Wishful thinking... Maybe, but anything close to either of these scenarios means game over for the pairing wars. There's just no turning back.
I've grown rather used to the Sasuke hate, especially since I've come to agree with most of it (I like Sasuke still, but I'm disappointed in him until he cares about Team 7 again). I don't agree with the judgments that Sasuke never cared about anyone after he left the village or doesn't care about Naruto or only helps people he thinks are useful. That he kills anyone who are useless to him or whatever. Sasuke's a kitten, but he's not psychopathic like in the Kage Summit Arc.
I don't agree Sasuke always cared about Team 7 deep down. I think at the start of Part 2, he only cared about Naruto deep down and maybe Kakashi until the Kage Summit Arc. Naruto was still a factor of course, but at that point Sasuke practically hated everyone. In this War Arc, I only think Sasuke cares deep down about Naruto and possibly Kakashi. Sakura he's indifferent too.
Sasuke being Sasuke, he resists bonds with people and tries to focus on his goals above all so I do expect him to "conceal the deep down" with betrayal in Naruto's case and indifference with the rest of Team 7. But I do think that this time with Sasuke being with Team 7 will affect him later in his fight with Naruto to help redeem him because he'll start to remember what it felt like to be part of Team 7. That's what I expect, but I won't be surprised if Sasuke betrays everyone after this fight with Madara is over because that's just who he is.
"I absolutely can't let you die! I can't! I won't let you die ... your stupid dream ... now it's ... it's right in front ofus!!" ----Sakura Haruno
I just want to say that I think people need to understand that there is middle grounds to things. Not just in the manga, but with real life feelings as well.
Sakura can care about Sasuke and have it not be love. Hell, if Sakura didn't question it at all, Naruto wouldn't and we need someone to question it. I guess Kakashi can mention it too, but having Sakura do it as well shows more that Sasuke is not to be trusted. Actually, thinking about it, it might be the best plot point. If a person who formerly loved Sasuke even admits you can't trust him, then what does that say about the him?
Also, just because we accept something doesn't mean we like it. I accept that Karin loves Sasuke, but that doesn't mean I like it.
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Posted 22 May 2014 - 12:51 AM
*Hinata tripped and fell, unable to help Naruto and be by his side, but who was able to? Sakura (Who was also able to help save his life).
*Hinata gets caught in the genjutsu, "Naruto-kun"... knowing she can't be by his side (yet again), but who is? Sakura.
To me, this is the start of (or even middle of) the closure of NH. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Kishi would put Hinata in this type of scenario (making it clear as day that she is unable to aid/be next to Naruto) so many times so close together. I mean, Hinata's role is about her love for Naruto, maybe Kishi is putting her in these situations to have her understand that she's never going to have Naruto the way she wants.
...Something like that.
I mean, why was she able to be there for Naruto back in the Pain arc along with holding Naruto's hand, yet as the war goes on she is slowly getting more distant (meaning being physically there to help him and conveniently is unable to)?
Naruto held her hand, which to me, symbolized acknowledgment.
Sorry, I'm not trying to ramble. Just my thoughts. It's late, so I'm also unsure if I make any sense lol.
I've grown rather used to the Sasuke hate, especially since I've come to agree with most of it (I like Sasuke still, but I'm disappointed in him until he cares about Team 7 again). I don't agree with the judgments that Sasuke never cared about anyone after he left the village or doesn't care about Naruto or only helps people he thinks are useful. That he kills anyone who are useless to him or whatever. Sasuke's a kitten, but he's not psychopathic like in the Kage Summit Arc.
I don't agree Sasuke always cared about Team 7 deep down. I think at the start of Part 2, he only cared about Naruto deep down and maybe Kakashi until the Kage Summit Arc. Naruto was still a factor of course, but at that point Sasuke practically hated everyone. In this War Arc, I only think Sasuke cares deep down about Naruto and possibly Kakashi. Sakura he's indifferent too.
Sasuke being Sasuke, he resists bonds with people and tries to focus on his goals above all so I do expect him to "conceal the deep down" with betrayal in Naruto's case and indifference with the rest of Team 7. But I do think that this time with Sasuke being with Team 7 will affect him later in his fight with Naruto to help redeem him because he'll start to remember what it felt like to be part of Team 7. That's what I expect, but I won't be surprised if Sasuke betrays everyone after this fight with Madara is over because that's just who he is.
When you try to fight something, it's already here.
You know, it could be something really buried deep inside and that's all.
Apparently he only cares about himself at some time, but it was only apparently IMO.
About what you said James, I also thin for now, Sasuke can't really be trusted because he will disagree with Naruto about Hokage position and they will clash and fight. But I still think deep down inside he cares.
And I think he is *kinda* realiable for now because he wants to defeat Madara just like the others.
That's why they are kinda trusting him for the fight.
But all will come full circle, and they will finally confront their opinions and goals.
Sakura is the decider. She's in the middle of love triangle. Thus it up to her to finish this love triangle by still loving sasuke or accepting naruto love.
It will happen when naruto confess to sakura before or after his fight.
Part 2 is process for sakura, it will culminate in naruto confession and that would be the highest point of romance drama of this manga.
The same can be said to narusasu fight is the highest point of this manga.
Ss doesn't has chance to become canon pairing at the end of part one with sasuke rejection, and it's sakura love that make it alive. Sasuke is her first love. It's up to sakura to let it go. That's why I disagree when sasuke fall in love with sakura, because if it really happen kishi practically make ss canon and make the love triangle complicated.
There will be a pairing in the end and it's name is NS with it's development and kishi intention to make naruto own family completed with his child.
You know what's funny. It feels like we only circle on what's here now, but blocking other parts of everything that relates to it. It's like we handicapped ourselves ten folds. I don't know, but it's funny that I thought back and then just say, "Wait a minute...Why am I worrying..."
And infinite tsukoyomi really happen lol. With naruto react to obito love story, I doubt we will wait until narusasu fight for naruto confession to happen.
I wonder if Kishi intentionally left Sakura out of the infinite tsukuyomi so her feelings wouldn't be revealed.
Possible. Kishi will go his way to make sure Sakura gets her answer on her own.
@rocci: Agreed. I should write a post on current status. I'll work on it now.
For the record, at least based on the translation, but it would seem like they have to wait until the whole process ends, then they can leave. I do expect Naruto to react badly though. I mean technically, he failed to save them from the tree. Guess that's why he got upset about can't go.
I still find the NH tease this chapter both discouraging and dissapointing because....well what happened to all that evidence of the pairing wars coming to a conclusion?
I still find the NH tease this chapter both discouraging and dissapointing because....well what happened to all that evidence of the pairing wars coming to a conclusion?
It still is coming to a conclusion, but the end is not until the Naruto vs Sasuke fight which means, this crap will still go on until that time.
I still find the NH tease this chapter both discouraging and dissapointing because....well what happened to all that evidence of the pairing wars coming to a conclusion?
Here's a question: what's the follow-up? The main problem is that it didn't feel solo, rather as a group. It's not like Hinata got caught in front of Naruto and him being all saddened. That would have been effective. Here, once they get out, the damage of everything that may unfold with Naruto and his team would be done. Like just imagine she gets out, only to see Naruto and Sakura embracing. The follow-up is like on hold for a long time, to the point there is none.
This is why I didn't feel anything about it. In a way, if Kishi's intention, you're taking his bait. Again, takes two to tango. There's only one in there. Now, well we only have Team 7 and Edo, who one of them is who I like to call NS plot armor. I don't know, no one here is taking it. It's fool me twice scenario, would you be "shame on me"?
I still find the NH tease this chapter both discouraging and dissapointing because....well what happened to all that evidence of the pairing wars coming to a conclusion?
Kishi can kill naruto feeling by thinking about Hinata in sakura confession or kushina advice about girlfriend or in the hand holding moment, but he didn't so I don't think it will change anything.
Regarding Hinata, she can still love naruto even after NS become canon.
Knowing her character type kishi will likely solve her feeling or decide not to conclude it.
If she intend to solve it, kishi can make Hinata realize that naruto is mean to be sakura and wish him luck and move on or naruto himself reject her.
I still find the NH tease this chapter both discouraging and dissapointing because....well what happened to all that evidence of the pairing wars coming to a conclusion?
If you ask me, when it comes down to it, the pairing has basically been concluded since it started, since Naruto's side of the matter has had no romantic development. You have to remember that Hinata (and this may sound bad to some, but it's how I personally see it) is basically a glorified outlet of Naruto adoration. You could literally exchange that "Naruto-kun" with any unnamed fodder from Konoha, and it would amount to the same thing: Naruto's people needing him. It was given to Hinata because she is a named character, popular and because her character nowadays basically revolves around nothing else but Naruto-kun'ing.
Fandom-wise, the pairing wars won't come to a conclusion until something is indisputably canon (and I'm willing to bet Kishi's editors are behind milking the fanteases for all their worth). And even yet, they most likely won't conclude; screams of bad writing!no foreshadowing! etc will come left and right. That's fandom for you.
But manga-wise, I guarantee you wouldn't have thought twice about that Hinata panel if you weren't a part of the fandom, and only too aware of how it will be taken by some sides of it. And that's because manga-wise, the evidence pointing to NaruSaku is as clear as day. There's literally no room left for doubt in that regard. Everything else is just taking isolated events and losing sight of the big picture, IMO.
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I also believe that there is a lot of double standard on this site but why would I just fucus myself in trying to create conflict among users all of us are bias in some way and who to tell that you're not being bias yourselfe after all you keep trying to force everyone to see the end of the pairing drama your way so to be fair others should also be allow to see it there way too and not always be call out because you think diferent from them.
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This isn't North Korea, where disagreement isn't allowed. You're in a discussion forums. I wrote the reasons why I don't like those arguments. I also wrote my view of the pairing resolution, but it was in response to that person's accusation that I don't care about NaruSaku being resolved.
I am clarifying what I think about all this, because I was questioned about not caring about it. I am not forcing anyone to agree with what I wrote. If you don't like the reasons I gave, then please tell me why you disagree.
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If it means anything I agree with a lot of what you say. I think you're dead wrong about Sasuke loving Sakura but that's beside the point.
Oh, sorry, don't misunderstand me. Sakura's grown into an intelligent and pretty girl. She's also the closest to him and she's his childhood friend. True love isn't based on these shallow things, but they would be enough for a spark of attraction, when Sasuke goes back to Konoha. This is what I mean.
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The problem I have with your posts is that they often come out as an attack on the person you're responding to. Rather than calmly argue your stance you angrily jump down other's throats and accuse them of having double standards. Your posts come across as very pessimistic and cynical. I don't see them as a defense for Sakura but mostly as an attack on those who don't share your views.
This is because I am upset at being called a troll. Two weeks ago, Pepsi flew off the handle just because I mentioned that Kakashi's words was all going according to my plan. She was very upset.
Why don't you explain why you think that their viewpoints hurt Sakura's character instead of just lashing out?
What do you mean? I've explained why I think that these viewpoints hurt Sakura's character and this isn't the first time I've done it. If I say them, then I'm being forceful. If I don't say them, I'm being dismissive?
Also your opinion of Karin may be just as short sighted as many NS fans' views on Sasuke. I agree his character receives a lot of hate on this forum and sometimes for not altogether deserved reasons.
I don't like Sasuke. I don't like Naruto and Sakura's devotion to him. But I'm not blind about this being what Kishi wants to do with them.
At the same time I see you freely leveling that kind of hate towards Karin. You may think your reasons are more justified than theirs but in the end it's simply your opinion. It seems like having a double standard of your own to me.
Kishi treats Karin and SasuKarin as a joke the majority of the time. She wanted to lick Sasuke all over. But you want me to take this pairing seriously like I do NaruSaku?
you see thats the problem with you, you think your opinion is universal truth.
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I have never said I am not the holder of the universal truth.
Now that's fine if you don't see it that way but you won't change anybody's opinion on that matter.
I'm confused as to why you'd think I believe I am the holder of the universal truth when you feel like this.
You say that you're defending Sakura's character yet you want her to still be in love with Sasuke until the end of the manga when a lot of people argue it's even more character assassination and you don't need to be a NS fan to see it : Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are the biggest hindrance to her character, they are badly developed makes no sense and are just there to create unecesseray drama for a terrible love triangle at the expense of Sakura herself, when it comes to Sasuke Sakura loses all self respect and dignity and it makes her character pathetic.
You say that... but Kakashi called her kind for not giving up on him and for worrying about him.
What he wants is Sakura chosing Naruto despite having the chance of chasing a Sasuke that she "loved". That would tell without a doubt to the readers and mostly to Naruto that she truly loves him without any contestations, it would be theorically the best ending. Because the love triangle is a mess.
I agree. Naruto looks like second choice at the rate this is going. Oh if only Sasuke wasn't evil. Oh if only Sakura trusted Sasuke. It's not about Naruto's merits, it's about Sasuke's flaws. I don't like it and I thought of a way around it. But lets take me to the gallows instead.
Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 22 May 2014 - 01:37 AM.
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