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[redrose3443]

The problem with this manga is that you need to do what Kakashi said and look underneath the underneath. However, 60% of it's fans refuse to do that and take eveything at face value. Sakura looked like she charged in recklessly. That's it and that's how they're gonna take it, they won't think beyond it. Sakura got saved by Naruto again. They don't care about pairings, so they will just call her weak. She thought about Sasuke, then she's clearly still fangirling(sarcasm).

 

Kishi likes to be subtle, especially with Sakura and her development and that's the problem. He needs to give it to the haters and straight up F**cking show them she's not weak. They refuse to see logic outside of what is drawn in the manga and will not try to look for deeper meanings.

 

NH/SS have the opposite problem, when it comes to their ships. They look so deep into it, that they barely remember what actually happens in the manga and delude themselves into thinking they're right.

 

Kishi just need to be straight forward about Sakura's feelings and that she is not weak. Until that happens the 24/7 bashing will not end. Sure bashing will never end, but people might start waking up from their bulls**t, if their complaints get proven wrong by Kishi himself in a way that they can't twist it.

Edited by redrose3443, 14 May 2014 - 08:15 PM.

[FireFox]

The limbos were already there when they caught Sakura's attack, they just were getting ready to counter attack.

"Explain how she noticed he didn't care?" I assumed it was because there was a blade stuck through her stomach. I never said he didn't see the limbos, Madara was his target when Sasuke came close enough Madara likely just created more limbos to attack him and Sakura which Naruto sensed which is why he got her outta there.

There was only one limbo the one who caught her the others came at the end or didn't you notice that Sasuke and Naruto were taken by surprise by them and didn't put a fight against them ?

 

Anyway you still didn't fully answer my question you admit that Madara was his primary target but Sasuke didn't change directions after the limos appeared he was still after the real one so the only way he was going to finish Madara was through Sakura  and Naruto saved Sakura before Sasuke's attack cause as you can see his sword comes right beneath Sakura's feat as Naruto lifts her up and pulls her back .

[TouKen4Life3g]

A generalized statement being supported by the context of the scene of her getting hurt, Naruto showing concern, while Sasuke isn't. Yeah, I'm gonna stick by to what I said.

Fair enough. But my point isn't invalid, so can't truly say who's right here.

[Otaru]

The problem with this manga is that you need to do what Kakashi said and look underneath the underneath. However, 60% of it's fans refuse to do that and take eveything at face value. Sakura looked like she charged in recklessly. That's it and that's how they're gonna take it, they won't think beyond it. Sakura got saved by Naruto again. They don't care about pairings, so they will just call her weak. She thought about Sasuke, then she's clearly still fangirling(sarcasm).

 

Kishi likes to be subtle, especially with Sakura and her development and that's the problem. He need to give it to the haters and straight up F**cking show them she's not weak. They refuse to see logic outside of what is drawn in the manga and will not try to look for deeper meanings.

 

NH/SS have the opposite problem, when it comes to their ships. They look so deep into it, that they barely remember what actually happens in the manga and delude themselves into thinking they're right.

 

Kishi just need to be straight forward about Sakura's feelings and that she is not weak. Until that happens the 24/7 bashing will not end. Sure bashing will never end, but people might start waking up from their bulls**t, if their complaints get proven wrong by Kishi himself in a way that they can't be twisted it.

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[TouKen4Life3g]

Pretty much, the idea of what's exactly the message is needed for many because for all we know, we can have NS canon by the end and people would be like, "but wait. What about SS?" only to find out that it's already dead, you just late to notice or some sort. Giving up or move on hasn't shown in anime/manga visual form. Usually they just cry (which people can see that from the confession) or they pass the torch. That or just go "I see..." and walk off. I can't speak for everyone on where this stand but people don't have to flat out say it unless it's addressing to another person.

[luffyq1]

You know I thought my initial interpretation of the fighting sequence in this chapter was wrong. But now that I've got some sleep and looked back at it again, I'm gonna stick by what I initially said. And I'm gonna have to agree with Pepsi, Dark, Ramenanmitsu and Harry4e.

 

 In this angle it looks as though he's right behind her about to use her to get to Madara.

 

 

But to me, there is a clear separation from Sasuke and Sakura when Naruto pulled Sakura away. Not only that, but when Naruto pulled her away you can see in that scene that kishi draws some star-like effect to indicate an attack. He also did it on Sasuke's side too, to indicate an attack on his end. Naruto kicks the right side of the limbo clone, while Sasuke gets pushed back by the left side of the limbo clone. And the shocked expression that Naruto has for Sakura could be because she's taking the initiative against someone who is practically a God. Naruto has much confidence in Sakura, but there is gonna be cause for concern in this case.

 

If this very same attempt on her life was to take place, wouldn't Naruto get pissed at Sasuke for trying to hurt Sakura again? Wouldn't he ask Sasuke why he did what he did like in the kage summit arc?

 

Now I absolutely hate SS with a passion just as much as the next guy. But right now, I just think some of you guys need to stop being so greedy looking for anti SS moments. We got one this chapter with Sakura realizing Sasuke doesn't give a kitten about her. Take it and leave it.

 

Now I could be wrong about all of this and this stuff could be addressed in the next chapter. But as for now, I'm gonna stick by my interpretation of this sequence.

Edited by luffyq1, 14 May 2014 - 08:24 PM.

[Gojira]

There was only one limbo the one who caught her the others came at the end or didn't you notice that Sasuke and Naruto were taken by surprise by them and didn't put a fight against them ?
 
Anyway you still didn't fully answer my question you admit that Madara was his primary target but Sasuke didn't change directions after the limos appeared he was still after the real one so the only way he was going to finish Madara was through Sakura  and Naruto saved Sakura before Sasuke's attack cause as you can see his sword comes right beneath Sakura's feat as Naruto lifts her up and pulls her back .

Sasuke was headed straight for Madara but when the limbos attacked (and the second one appeared) we see he is already reached Madara and Sakura is like several feet to his side . He was headed straight for Madara but it did look like he was attacking him from the side, also I'm pretty sure Naruto would have given him an earful if he tried to attack Sakura

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm ok with either way (well not really lol). Still, the message is clear that Sasuke didn't care at all. He pulled "mission first, everything else far last." That's my main complaint on Sasuke, that douche.

[Kster95]

The only problem is Sakura's regeneration has side effects and I dont know if Kishi is still going to account for them or if he dropped them. 

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

You know I thought my initial interpretation of the fighting sequence in this chapter was wrong. But now that I've got some sleep and looked back at it again, I'm gonna stick by what I initially said. And I'm gonna have to agree with Pepsi, Dark, Ramenanmitsu and Harry4e.

 

 In this angle it looks as though he's right behind her about to use her to get to Madara.

 

 

But to me, there is a clear separation from Sasuke and Sakura when Naruto pulled Sakura away. Not only that, but when Naruto pulled her away you can see in that scene that kishi draws some star-like effect to indicate an attack. He also did it on Sasuke's side too, to indicate an attack on his end. Naruto kicks the right side of the limbo clone, while Sasuke gets pushed back by the left side of the limbo clone. And the shocked expression that Naruto has for Sakura could be because she's taking the initiative against someone who is practically a God. Naruto has much confidence in Sakura, but there is gonna be cause for concern in this case.

 

If this very same attempt on her life was to take place, wouldn't Naruto get pissed at Sasuke for trying to hurt Sakura again? Wouldn't he ask Sasuke why he did what he did like in the kage summit arc?

 

Now I absolutely hate SS with a passion just as much as the next guy. But right now, I just think some of you guys need to stop being so greedy looking for anti SS moments. We got one this chapter with Sakura realizing Sasuke doesn't give a kitten about her. Take it and leave it.

 

Now I could be wrong about all of this and this stuff could be addressed in the next chapter. But as for now, I'm gonna stick by my interpretation of this sequence.

 

 

My initial impression of the scene was that Sasuke was going to take the opportunity to attack Madara right through Sakura -- certainly he's already shown to be capable of such a thing -- but you could be right and Sasuke was actually going for the limbo. I really don't know.  But the way you explain it does make sense for it to be a good possibility. 

[Gojira]

I'm glad we finally get to see everyone get sucked into their own personal dream land. But I still hate how Sakura has to be reminded that Sasuke is not a good guy. Its almost like the one thing keeping NS from being canon is the SS part of her brain that keeps having to be killed off.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So Sasuke is the only one up there? Looks like he has one shot to stop him. Shame that power of his needs to be in a close distant to make things easier. I really wonder how all of this plays out.

[Otaru]

I don't think anyone here is "greedy looking" for some ASS proof.

 

Maybe he didn't aim at her, but the panel seems to show that.

[FireFox]

Sasuke was headed straight for Madara but when the limbos attacked (and the second one appeared) we see he is already reached Madara and Sakura is like several feet to his side . He was headed straight for Madara but it did look like he was attacking him from the side, also I'm pretty sure Naruto would have given him an earful if he tried to attack Sakura

From the position he's in the only way to go for Madara is through Sakura the position of his sword indicates that and the gap between Madara and Sakura isn't  big also he's slight behind her not near her . But i'm done with this discussion agree to disagree . 

[redrose3443]

It did bother me how in one panel he was right behind Sakura and the next he was far off to the side. Surely Sasuke would have seen the extra limbo, so him aiming at one next to Sakura is highly probable.

[Don-kun]

I just want to post this here for the ones who believes Sasuke as no emotion.

http://neristan.tumb...e-try-to-defend

 

About the chapter itself I believe Sakura did display some surprising powers that's always great, but despite everyone's defense she wasn't that bad ass Kakashi was much stronger and bad ass than her not to long ago plus he already accepted the fact that Naruto and Sasuke are stronger than him so at some point Sakura honestly need to do the same.

 

I understand that we all love Sakura but people act has she is the best thing this manga as to offer and to me that is the same level of denial SS fans are living in worst when not all of her performance was that of a goddess in this chapter cough Tsunade vs Orochimaru cough Konan vs Tobi cough cough Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori, look I hate Sasuke and I believe that he was be far more awesome than her.

 

About Sasuke cutting down Sakura, there is no defense for that it was obvious.

 

Sakura reaction after what happen today is totally understandable but maybe not this late in the game, despite others claiming that she doesn't love Sasuke I completely disagree, maybe she will never go to the same lent she did before, she will never abandon Naruto to favor Sasuke or still see him as this amazing guy but even when she admires Naruto, respect him, cares for him in the end she loves Sasuke and yes her love is fading away but regardless of everyone else opinion there is still something she in not quite able to let go and Kishi made that clear last chapter.

 

So yes her statement was very well understandable since it will crush my heart to know that the person who I had romantic feeling for all these years didn't give a kitten about my safety, me dying or whats my current condition but at this time she should understand that already so even when you can agree with her reaction Kishi still left room for her to be criticized for not doing this in the Summit arc.

 

NS vs SS

SS chances are fading away.

 

NS well by opining Sakura's eye it's at lease something good for her character getting over this guy and finally move on and who knows it might even be good for the blond desire to get a chance and for her a new chance to start over.

Edited by Don-kun, 14 May 2014 - 08:57 PM.

[luffyq1]

I don't think anyone here is "greedy looking" for some ASS proof.

 

Maybe he didn't aim at her, but the panel seems to show that.

There's really no need to break down SS scenes to paint them as negative, the story does that itself. It's painfully obvious that SS is not going to happen. Let's kick back and watch the story sink this repugnant ship to the depths of hell.

 

Yeah, the scene does look like that. But if he was going to hurt her again, then Naruto apparently sure doesn't mind, seeing as he didn't even bother to bring it up like he did in the kage summit arc.

[Otaru]

It's true Naruto said nothing.

So maybe Sasuke didn't aim at her, maybe he aimed under her feets.

But really... it looks like he was gonna cut through her, and I saw it at first sight.

I didn't search for it.

 

But you're right Naruto would have said something, and Kakashi too. At least a "Sasuke ... !!" or something like that... don't know.

Maybe there will be some explanation in the next chapter...

[TouKen4Life3g]

@Don-Kun: you know, that got to hurt to see those old panels. I mean I believe none of us said he's pure cold blooded to everyone. He has emotions. Just don't care here. It's the sad truth but you got to accept it. Not you, others.

[Lídia Vanessa]

I'm glad Sakura, activated his seal, 

more I wanted her to have his own abilities, and not be a clone of Tsunade.   

Now that Sakura realized that Sasuke does not care about her?   

And she still cares?   

I wish she did not care.   

Anyway, it was beautiful what Naruto has done for her.