If anyone throws around more rants or comments about other members in this thread, I will close it.
You are entitled to share your opinion of the chapter, but this is not a venue for you to call other members names. Both sides of this argument have had people agree with them.
For those who say others are being too positive:
Not every chapter has to be an in your face NS moment. I am fully prepared for Naruto to end without NS, but that doesn't stop me from hoping for good things. It might seem delusional, but this is a work of fiction. I am reading it for fun and I will have fun no matter what. Even though Sakura made one comment and said Shannaro, I was happy.
For those who say others are being too negative:
People are human. We get frustrated. A lot of us want NS really badly and are saddened when Sakura doesn't get the focus a lot of us want her to get. Sometimes we prepare for the 'worst' (some pairing that interferes with NS) so that we don't jinx ourselves. We don't know what Kishi is going to write and it could really be ANYTHING.
Agree to disagree. Walk away if you aren't getting anywhere. Almost all of us want NS to happen. Let's not forget that.
I don't have a problem with people being happy over this chapter. But I sometimes think some of these people here seem to be getting ahead of themselves too much. It's a rather irritating phenomenon. It's fine to hope for good things, but don't go expecting things will go your way. Remember, you're not psychic (if there is one among us, I'd actually like to meet him).
The reason I'm saying this is that the ones often acting this way seriously have a lack of humility. If anything, 615-617 should've taught us to be a little more humble and not condescending towards other fandoms. Moreover, I think that people should try to be more open to other possibilities. I've been trying to get this point across but no one gives a kitten (at least some) and instead attack me for being negative. It's not surprising that opposing fandoms think of us as arrogant if this happens again.
I was not expecting Sakura to show up at all really. First reaction when her panel came up: My god. Oh. My. GAWD.
Damn it! Damn you Kishimoto!
In all seriousness, it's nice, I suppose. Hate it and love it at the same time. On one hand, "Yay! Sakura's back." On the other, I'm like "We've waited this long...for this? Seriously?". Though, just
seeing Sakura in this chapter was enough to cheer me up. But then Kishimoto throws in that panel with Hinata... Honestly, I hate to admit this but at this point, even
looking at Hinata is starting to annoy me, ugh. @redragon88, I watched nearly a handful of 628 reviews a few hours ago and none of them, save for one (who also may or may not be an NS shipper, or at the very least I got a feeling she was a tad irked by NH fans following the 615 chapter), went into detail about Sakura's panel time. Whatever, what can you do? The hate is strong.
Also getting
reaaally tired of the same back and forth bs between Naruto and Obito and am so glad Obito and Kakashi will be fighting one on one (Hope Kakashi wins and takes Obito's other eye, for justice). Lastly, Madara in that one panel just... jesus, that face!
....Would probably add more but, I'm tired, so yeah.
It's especially worse when Kishi has been neglecting her for a long time. So it really makes one lose interest in her character altogether.
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Honestly, her relevance was at its peak during 614-617 but really in comparison to Sakura when you consider the entirety of the manga and not just the recent chapters Hinata is an irrelevant character. Sakura was saving Naruto's life back during the Land of Waves arc and even though Kishi really seems to be doing his best at downplaying the heroine in some of the recent chapters she's still had more plot significance than any other female except maybe Tsunade.
This is what I don't get. If she has that much plot significance (and we know she does) why does Kishi go through such lengths to throw her to the back burner?? if you have a character that's relevant to the plot, and has such a large plot significance then you don't go throwing her far back to the back burner. That just doesn't make jack kitten sense even in a storytelling sense. It's so contradictory a 3-year old could freakin' understand how screwed up it is.
I don't mean to open a old wound but I have to agree with James. But here me out, from me, this is not about bashing a user or 2. It's about placing one character on a pedestal. My main issue is that no one should not be placed on the pedestal. Yes, I am happy Sakura is back with the concern of Naruto, but I'm not going all high and mighty to the point I will rub everyone in and say all developments for NH. Or at least not yet, but I did sense fear is growing and we're in volume chapter 1. That said people should not look one character above another, let alone a minor character. I always saw Hinata as another Shikamaru: a character will get more treatment than other in her team, only this one is possibly due to fans. Does it mean she is incredibly important? No. To her fans and her own developments, you can say yes, but the overall and main characters, no.
But that's precisely the problem here. We put Sakura on a pedestal just like the NH fans, and consequently NS as well. But the problem is, I don't see it that way. Ever since 615, I've decided that everything goes and that's why I decided not to put either of them on a pedestal. Both are equal in my eyes. Not just Sakura and Hinata, but NS and NH as well. What I've been trying to point out is the contradictory attitudes we take regarding our pairing and consequently, the characters.
I remember this crap. Lol then he goes on to say that he isnt contributing to the war or whatever.
He is a hater and very biased. I unsubscribed him years ago. Remember our counter slex? Lol
Well, he does have a point. If you're going to bring up the Zetsu incident, that's actually a moot point. By the time Sakura discovered the secret, Naruto had already escaped. Meaning that even if Sakura didn't figure it out, Naruto would.
Check on what this fodder nin said about his sand and Naruto chakra, in some way it seem like Naruto gave them his power to protect them while they fight the enemy so he can avoid more deaths, this qualifies in Naruto not trusting his friends against the enemy.
Itachi said believe in your friends, all of them had there focus but Sakura was the only one who acknowledge that this isn't right plus the only one that as not gotten her moment of glory yet.
While what you say is true, you need to remember that in a war, one of the most important things to pay attention to is the need to reduce the amount of casualties as much as you can.
But that said I agree that Naruto hasn't yet learned how to trust his friends to help him. I'll also quote Hashirama's wise words:
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"The fellow countrymen of the Konoha make up each part of my body… those of the village believe in me, and I believe in them. That's what it means to be Hokage!"
Hopefully Hashirama imparts these wise words to Naruto.
So you don't believe that what she said could foreshadow Sakura trying to help Naruto?
Hopefully it is. But if you look at the list Slex once made, how many times have we been disappointed??
Somewhat off-topic but anyone see the SJ Weekly cover? Is it sad that about two years ago, Bleach was standing next to One Piece and Naruto, but now, it is part of other Shounen that is good or bad, but not a milestone popular? I found it sad to be honest.
Me too. And honestly, I'm seeing the same thing with Naruto right now.....
I don't see why some call Sakura's panels wasted. Or as Naruhinaland/YT called it, "useless". It's a set up chapter, what is she supposed to do?
If it's a setup, then I hope you're right. But the problem is, Kishi has set us up several times to be disappointed, so it's hard to actually anticipate anything good for her. If this is foreshadowing Sakura's role in the battle, and a major event to boot, then I have to bring up 469-470 as a reasonable doubt. Remember the build up to that chapter?? we had her promising to relieve his burdens and not make anymore mistakes.
In fact, I have to facepalm at the sheer stupidity of her plan in the first place. She should have damn well known that he would react that way. I also have to question whether she is actually as smart as some people think. If she was, wouldn't she have at least told Shikamaru about it?? Shikamaru is the other person who knows Naruto more than anyone. If she had consulted him, then the fiasco wouldn't have happened. I could understand if she wanted to keep that burden to herself but isn't Sakura's character theme all about sharing the burden with Naruto?? shouldn't this be applied to her friends as well??
I'm gonna quote Branden here as he said exactly what I think of her screentime in this chapter.
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she should have at least said something that implied she would play an active role in the battle. Worrying about Naruto in the middle of a warzone isn't going to help him. She didn't even say it directly to him, what she said was unheard and had no effect on the battle. What did she do? Well it could be said that her lines were to indicate that Naruto is getting worn out but we already knew that, he's been getting worn out since the start of the war, we didn't need a reminder of that. So what she said was literally pointless. I just hope Kishi has a plan with this, but every time I hope he's going to do something with Sakura he doesn't. It's almost as if the entire point of her character is just to cheer Naruto on and be a love interest. I know some people think she's an amazing character and that's good for them but I just can't honestly say that she's fulfilled expectations or even come close to them.
I also have to point out about that chapter where Team 7 and Team 10 first met Obito. I remember some people here saying that Hinata doesn't trust in Naruto very much while Sakura just says "that's nothing, Hinata. Don't worry about him." Isn't this a bit contradictory?? some people are celebrating Sakura's concern for Naruto, but what about Hinata's concern back then?? why did people dismiss Hinata's, while Sakura's is celebrated?? what Branden said is true. It was kind of pointless since we knew that Naruto has to be worn out by now. If it is a setup for something big down the road for Sakura, then I sure as hell hope so.
Edited by Codus N, 25 April 2013 - 09:59 AM.
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