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#4961 Darkness

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 12:31 AM

But they are both wrong. Like Yamato said before, it is not what you can do or what you do that's important, it's what you really feel about the one you love.

I don't know about Naruto (maybe he learned something after talking with his mother about love and happiness), but Sakura has certainly not learned Yamato's lesson yet.

 

That's why I don't think that Naruto's confession will have something to do with his promise for Sakura in the futur.

And by the way, I don't see him confess after saving Sasuke...

 

I've just came up with an interesting topic:

Do you all really think Sasuke is going to be saved and everyone will live happily forever after? I'm sorry but I don't see this. I think an ending with Sasuke smiling like nothing had ever happened would be very lame. I want to see some blood and real dramatic deaths before everything settles up, before anyone can say that everything is gonna be ok.

 

Sakura right now, from where I see her, is fighting against her feelings for Sasuke. She still likes him, but she can't help but to know he is not his companion anymore and therefore she can't trust him as he eventually might even turn against everything important to her. The false smiles speaks louder than anything.

 

Not only that, I don't see her finally accepting any deeper feelings for Naruto until she goes through some real drastic experience to literally put her in shock, like for example Naruto's Death. That's right. The abyssal feeling of permanent loss and the incapacity of saying or experiencing anything with him anymore. The moment when she will hang everything in the balance and realize how it would be her world without that stupid guy who was always there for her, supporting every decision she made and enduring pain and even rejection just to protect her smile. 

 

Of course, Naruto doesn't necessarily have to die (and I doubt it will happen for obvious reasons). He just needs to go through a very close call and I mean it, it must be worse than everything that already happened. The 7th OVA gave us a hint of how it might occur.

Some may say that after the war, before the Naruto and Sasuke foretold battle, the possibility of both dying will force her to choose one, but personally I don't want things to go this way. I would like to see her reaching her conclusion on the heat of the battle, or with Naruto's death right before her eyes. But this is just my opinion.

 

PS: And even if Naruto does die, I can think of plenty of ways of how he could be brought back to life . :thumbsup:


Edited by Darkness, 03 August 2013 - 12:37 AM.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 12:43 AM

Yes, I believe that Sasuke will be saved.

If not, Naruto won't be different from Hashirama who coudn't find a way to change his best friend and lead Konoha together.

In my opinion, Sasuke and Naruto are meant to lead Konoha together, like Rikudou Sennin always wanted for his sons, to be united and lead the world, bring peace together.

 

To me, it's obvious like NaruSaku, Sasuke will come back to Konoha. The Itachi/Naruto talk foreshadow it.


Edited by Sojobo, 03 August 2013 - 12:45 AM.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 01:42 AM

 

I've just came up with an interesting topic:

Do you all really think Sasuke is going to be saved and everyone will live happily forever after? I'm sorry but I don't see this. I think an ending with Sasuke smiling like nothing had ever happened would be very lame. I want to see some blood and real dramatic deaths before everything settles up, before anyone can say that everything is gonna be ok.

 

Sakura right now, from where I see her, is fighting against her feelings for Sasuke. She still likes him, but she can't help but to know he is not his companion anymore and therefore she can't trust him as he eventually might even turn against everything important to her. The false smiles speaks louder than anything.

 

Not only that, I don't see her finally accepting any deeper feelings for Naruto until she goes through some real drastic experience to literally put her in shock, like for example Naruto's Death. That's right. The abyssal feeling of permanent loss and the incapacity of saying or experiencing anything with him anymore. The moment when she will hang everything in the balance and realize how it would be her world without that stupid guy who was always there for her, supporting every decision she made and enduring pain and even rejection just to protect her smile. 

 

Of course, Naruto doesn't necessarily have to die (and I doubt it will happen for obvious reasons). He just needs to go through a very close call and I mean it, it must be worse than everything that already happened. The 7th OVA gave us a hint of how it might occur.

Some may say that after the war, before the Naruto and Sasuke foretold battle, the possibility of both dying will force her to choose one, but personally I don't want things to go this way. I would like to see her reaching her conclusion on the heat of the battle, or with Naruto's death right before her eyes. But this is just my opinion.

 

PS: And even if Naruto does die, I can think of plenty of ways of how he could be brought back to life . :thumbsup:

She only fought against those feelings on the summit arc and she lose, she doesnt have a choice if Sasuke betrays she has to fight him or because there's no other option, Naruto is there and she acknowledges him, but the second about accepting if it's deeper or not, we dont know that because her real feelings are on a suspense right now, she can very well step in on the fight and tells Sasuke that she's Naruto's girlfriend and that would be unquestionable, she took a lot of reality checks about her feelings for Sasuke and she didnt displayed any romantic gesture towards him then it's safe to asume that she could very well be in love with Naruto right now, or not.

It's a common move that mangaks use to show an dramatic moment later, a dramatic moment will happen but i dont think an scene like she will acknowledge she loves Naruto because her feelings are hidden right now, she might shout something or even says "i love you Naruto" in front of Sasuke.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 01:54 AM

 

You can totally fake a blush, the whole reason for the confession was not because she loved Naruto romantically it was to relieve him of his burden. If your going to confess about loving someone and to have it be truthful, it that cant be a side reason, it has to be the main reason and in that confession it wasn't. 

Just because you can fake a blush does not mean it's easy to do. You can't just go, "Ok I'm going to blush now," and automatically start blushing. It doesn't work that way. It's like fake crying. Many people can do it, but it's far from easy and takes a lot of work. Plus, why would she go to such lengths to fake a blush? One can still appear believable without blushing.

I know what the point of Sakura's confession was and honestly, from a writing point of view, the confession was merely a plot device used to catalyze the events that soon occurred after it. That's it. Regardless, it doesn't matter if confessing her love was not her main motive. One can still be sincere about something even if it is not the main focus of a situation. What if her main motive was to confess her love and in turn have Naruto come back to the village be rendered a side reason? Would that mean that she wouldn't be sincere about wanting Naruto to come back to the village? Because it's a side reason and not her main motive? How you truly feel does not have to be the main focus or purpose of every situation.

And I'm sorry, but I don't think she would get that angry about Naruto's comment if she was lying about their feelings. 


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 02:08 AM

Just because you can fake a blush does not mean it's easy to do. You can't just go, "Ok I'm going to blush now," and automatically start blushing. It doesn't work that way. It's like fake crying. Many people can do it, but it's far from easy and takes a lot of work. Plus, why would she go to such lengths to fake a blush? One can still appear believable without blushing.

I know what the point of Sakura's confession was and honestly, from a writing point of view, the confession was merely a plot device used to catalyze the events that soon occurred after it. That's it. Regardless, it doesn't matter if confessing her love was not her main motive. One can still be sincere about something even if it is not the main focus of a situation. What if her main motive was to confess her love and in turn have Naruto come back to the village be rendered a side reason? Would that mean that she wouldn't be sincere about wanting Naruto to come back to the village? Because it's a side reason and not her main motive? How you truly feel does not have to be the main focus or purpose of every situation.

And I'm sorry, but I don't think she would get that angry about Naruto's comment if she was lying about their feelings. 

Well she did a confession in front of a lot of people ofc she would blush out of embarassment, blushing does not always tell about romantic feelings or whatever, it also can tell embarassment about certain topic like saying i love you to Naruto in front of everyone.
 

She did lie on the confession and what states this is how she still had feelings for Sasuke on the summit, if she really loved Naruto honestly she would not did what she did on the summit like saying "i knew i could not do this" she knew she loves Sasuke and because of that she could not kill him, then she lied on the confession, despite all that, Kishi even said that on the interview when her approach was like an honest girl with an surprisindgly stubborn, means that she faked a confession but deep inside she knew it would not work, she understimated Naruto there, because she didnt tell him the truth but the whole point about it is that she started viewing Naruto on a romantic light, something that she did not during the whole series, only few ambiguous hints but nothing really impactfull, she thought about her feelings for Naruto and Sasuek and decided to give a shot on Naruto not for her sake but for Naruto's, and Naruto didnt wanted it.

It ended with Sakura's mindset about Sasuke completely change meanwhile girls like Karin and Ino were struck with a 12 year old Sasuke image.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 02:14 AM

Well she did a confession in front of a lot of people ofc she would blush out of embarassment, blushing does not always tell about romantic feelings or whatever, it also can tell embarassment about certain topic like saying i love you to Naruto in front of everyone.

Then that would mean that she wasn't faking the blush. My point was to point out why the possibility of Sakura faking the blush is low.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 02:14 AM

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just saw this on tumblr , does someone know where is the second picture from ? I think its a fan made but just want to be sure lol


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 02:23 AM

Then that would mean that she wasn't faking the blush. My point was to point out why the possibility of Sakura faking the blush is low.

And what makes this important?

Paying to details often skip the whole point of the confession, the confession wanst meant to tell where Sakura's feelings were but how she stood between the conflict, the whole love triangle mess, Sakura cares too much about Naruto that she doesnt want to do anything bad to him like breaking his heart and she loved Sasuke, she went on a desperate move and revealed things that was on her heart like her view about Naruto and the progression because she started viewing him on a romantic light, she didnt loved Naruto on that time, because romance with him never had crossed her mind until Sai told her that Naruto loves her.

 

She confronts Sasuke and saw how he really is and what he had become and how he cared about her (0 f**cks given).

Then it comes the war arc where she receive a reality check from a lover ninja, when she thinks again about her feelings for Sasuke, after that we have path to radiance where she views Naruto as a great man(meaning that it could be a resolution to that reality check), then later Naruto does a speech that inspires her, later her determination and her speech, later again fullfill her resolution (no matter what you say this time we gonna be together... we all gonna fight together this time) Naruto thanks her and tells her to stay bakc but she step in and confront Naruto which he returns with a smile, later another reality check from Sai but wasnt a real reality check just Kishi showing how Sakura was feeling about Sasuke that time.

Her feelings are hidden an a dense cloud and we cant predict nothing at all, Sakura could be very well be in love with Naruto right now but it's not due to the confession but to the summit with Sasuke and the two reality checks.

 

My bet is that she already choose Naruto, but Naruto doesnt belive on her words and Sakura may not be in love with Naruto, but she wants to return his feelings(because she knows he loves her) but Naruto wants her to prove that to him pratically i can only see this is Sakura saying something like i love you to Naruto in front of Sasuke or similar stuff, Naruto's mindset and flashbacks are from someome who believe that she would never love him, due to those SS moments he witnessed on part 1.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 02:34 AM

And what makes this important?

Paying to details often skip the whole point of the confession, the confession wanst meant to tell where Sakura's feelings were but how she stood between the conflict, the whole love triangle mess, Sakura cares too much about Naruto that she doesnt want to do anything bad to him like breaking his heart and she loved Sasuke, she went on a desperate move and revealed things that was on her heart like her view about Naruto and the progression because she started viewing him on a romantic light, she didnt loved Naruto on that time, because romance with him never had crossed her mind until Sai told her that Naruto loves her.

 

She confronts Sasuke and saw how he really is and what he had become and how he cared about her (0 f**cks given).

Then it comes the war arc where she receive a reality check from a lover ninja, when she thinks again about her feelings for Sasuke, after that we have path to radiance where she views Naruto as a great man(meaning that it could be a resolution to that reality check), then later Naruto does a speech that inspires her, later her determination and her speech, later again fullfill her resolution (no matter what you say this time we gonna be together... we all gonna fight together this time) Naruto thanks her and tells her to stay bakc but she step in and confront Naruto which he returns with a smiler, later another reality check from Sai but wasnt a real reality check just Kishi showing how Sakura was feeling about Sasuke that time.

Her feelings are hidden an a dense cloud and we cant predict nothing at all, Sakura could be very well be in love with Naruto right now but it's not due to the confession but to the summit with Sasuke and the two reality checks.

I never said it was important. Kster responded to my post and implied that Sakura could've been faking the blush. I responded on why I thought differently. That's it. That's all there is to that exchange.

Once again, I know what the purpose of the confession was. The point of my posts was not to discuss the purpose of the confession, but whether or not Sakura was sincere.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 02:48 AM

I never said it was important. Kster responded to my post and implied that Sakura could've been faking the blush. I responded on why I thought differently. That's it. That's all there is to that exchange.

Once again, I know what the purpose of the confession was. The point of my posts was not to discuss the purpose of the confession, but whether or not Sakura was sincere.

 

 

Just because you can fake a blush does not mean it's easy to do. You can't just go, "Ok I'm going to blush now," and automatically start blushing. It doesn't work that way. It's like fake crying. Many people can do it, but it's far from easy and takes a lot of work. Plus, why would she go to such lengths to fake a blush? One can still appear believable without blushing.

I know what the point of Sakura's confession was and honestly, from a writing point of view, the confession was merely a plot device used to catalyze the events that soon occurred after it. That's it. Regardless, it doesn't matter if confessing her love was not her main motive. One can still be sincere about something even if it is not the main focus of a situation. What if her main motive was to confess her love and in turn have Naruto come back to the village be rendered a side reason? Would that mean that she wouldn't be sincere about wanting Naruto to come back to the village? Because it's a side reason and not her main motive? How you truly feel does not have to be the main focus or purpose of every situation.

And I'm sorry, but I don't think she would get that angry about Naruto's comment if she was lying about their feelings. 

 

Inst what i said, paying attention to detail often skip, Sakura got angry but later shows that she loves Sasuke, she got made with the "I hate people who lies to themselves", Sakura was wrong and failed at every turn to convince Naruto that ws the reason she got mad and then said the real reasons she made the confession (she wanted him to stop chasing Sasuek and stop putting himself into danger)

Her confession at all wanst honest, nothing on there was honest, she said the reasons why she was in love with Naruto but we all knew she wanst, that was the reasons why she cared more about Naruto than Sasuke, the problem is that people often think that her deeply caring about Naruto is "love" romantically speaking off when we all knew that she viewed Naruto romantically only after Sai telling her that Naruto loves her and later she cried and was on an huge emotional pressure, it's inconsistent to think she was honest on her confession when she showed she was in love with Sasuke 3-4 chapters later.

 

Also her confession for me wasnt  catalyst, Sai's quote about Naruto's feelings for Sakura is that ws the catalyst, she put Sasuke and Naruto on a balance and choose Naruto despite not loving him, the confession shows only that Sakura knows that Naruto is a better choice than Sasuke and how she wants to return his feelings and Naruto's block on Sakura and his mindset, Naruto would never accept an confession were Sakura would just come out from nowhere and say "I love yoU" when he was totally with his mind like "She only loves Sasuke and Sasuke is the only one who can make her happy".

Then Sai makes it worse by proving it to him, even his melancholic tone when he said "but she loves Sasuke too much", Naruto is on a complicated position on the love triangle, Sakura knew that the confession would not work out but she did it with the same reasons about how Naruto knew asking the raikage about dropping the order to kill Sasuke was useless.

Sakura wanst honest and Naruto has the same mindset as Obito, a confession would not workout and she knew about this.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 02:51 AM

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just saw this on tumblr , does someone know where is the second picture from ? I think its a fan made but just want to be sure lol

 

Second pic: Shippuden Movie 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire, during the battle against Hiroki.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 02:56 AM

just saw this on tumblr , does someone know where is the second picture from ? I think its a fan made but just want to be sure lol

It's from the third Shippuden movie. Naruto catches Sakura when she's blasted away by the villain, though that particular image is fan made.

 

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 03:07 AM

Alright thank you , I never saw this movie :P is it good ?


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 03:32 AM

 

 

 

Inst what i said, paying attention to detail often skip, Sakura got angry but later shows that she loves Sasuke, she got made with the "I hate people who lies to themselves", Sakura was wrong and failed at every turn to convince Naruto that ws the reason she got mad and then said the real reasons she made the confession (she wanted him to stop chasing Sasuek and stop putting himself into danger)

Her confession at all wanst honest, nothing on there was honest, she said the reasons why she was in love with Naruto but we all knew she wanst, that was the reasons why she cared more about Naruto than Sasuke, the problem is that people often think that her deeply caring about Naruto is "love" romantically speaking off when we all knew that she viewed Naruto romantically only after Sai telling her that Naruto loves her and later she cried and was on an huge emotional pressure, it's inconsistent to think she was honest on her confession when she showed she was in love with Sasuke 3-4 chapters later.

 

Also her confession for me wasnt  catalyst, Sai's quote about Naruto's feelings for Sakura is that ws the catalyst, she put Sasuke and Naruto on a balance and choose Naruto despite not loving him, the confession shows only that Sakura knows that Naruto is a better choice than Sasuke and how she wants to return his feelings and Naruto's block on Sakura and his mindset, Naruto would never accept an confession were Sakura would just come out from nowhere and say "I love yoU" when he was totally with his mind like "She only loves Sasuke and Sasuke is the only one who can make her happy".

Then Sai makes it worse by proving it to him, even his melancholic tone when he said "but she loves Sasuke too much", Naruto is on a complicated position on the love triangle, Sakura knew that the confession would not work out but she did it with the same reasons about how Naruto knew asking the raikage about dropping the order to kill Sasuke was useless.

Sakura wanst honest and Naruto has the same mindset as Obito, a confession would not workout and she knew about this.

Ok, I re-read the confession scene and I see where you're coming from. I still believe she was honest, but that's just because it's how I personally see it. I'm not going to bother repeating on why I think so because I already said what I needed to say. If we keep going on like this, it'll just be me spewing out my views while you spew out yours into an endless loop where we both get nowhere. I'm sorry that I pay attention to detail, it's just in my personality. I appreciate your input and I respect your opinion on the matter.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 04:05 AM

Alright thank you , I never saw this movie :P is it good ?

To me, it is. Nice actions, NS team, and funny teases from Sai.

Hey, I would like to share a great post from NF, morgaine4.

He also does this interesting, almost feminist theme, when it comes to the idealized relationships. I know, I know feminist and Kishi in the same idea!? That sounds absurd. In general I feel that Kishi's really bad when it comes to writing for females when compared to males, but in the idealized relationships he does something extremely interesting. He indicates that ideal, virtuous males are extremely steadfast and loyal to the person they have a crush on and eventually grow to love; they shouldn't budge, they shouldn't change, doing so is a negative on their character (we saw that with Minato, Jiraiya who may have had trysts but only loved Tsunade, we see that with Obito whose one remaining almost positive attribute is shown to be his love for Rin). Now, for the females he's done the opposite, he's shown that there is virtue in females moving on, changing their mind, choosing the best option available to them (it was indicated that it was a bad thing that Tsunade didn't move on after Dan's death, that it was a good thing that Kushina changed her mind about Minato, that had Obito lived to their knowledge Rin's heart might have changed and that would have been a good thing). The pattern is clear, strong, virtuous men are to remain loyal, strong, virtuous women are to make the best decision for themselves to survive and be happy.

I say that this is oddly and vaguely feminist considering the patterns in most societies --especially extremely patriarchal ones. In most societies, men who play around are praised as studs, women who play around are slut-shamed. Obviously Kishi's focus is on love and not sex, but it's still an interesting take given the nature of most cultures (and I believe Japanese culture did include men having concubines etc --no, I'm not judging...I just find this switch extremely interesting). But given that pattern, and given Kishi's writing style it would seem out of place for the hero's heart to change, and the heroine's heart to be unchanged.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 06:36 AM

I think Naruto will indeed confess to Sakura because well she hasn't actually heard it from him and even if Sakura does go first, Naruto will have to reciprocate which is a confession.

 

@deviouslyChaotic: I believe Sakura was lying in the confession and plz correct me if I'm wrong but I believe a part of u doesnt want to admit that Sakura could have lied to Naruto because other ppl might think or claim that it tarnishes her rep and NS. HOWEVER I believe this is far from the case. She went to stop Naruto from being in pain period, so she really cares about him. Which as she was doing, her internal struggle of "I should be in love with Naruto" over "I shouldn't be in love with Sasuke" came out and Naruto could see that. This again is not a bad thing, because as I've said before, if the reasons for why she SHOULD be in love with Naruto arent enough then when she finally does fall in love with him it will on a far higher level. 



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Posted 03 August 2013 - 06:44 AM

Why anyone who likes her would ever want that? She is a hell of fun the way she is! And more importantly, Naruto agrees.

 

Wait a second. Kishimoto really mentioned this?

Or are you simply refering Naruto and Sai's talk? If so, you perfectly right. To better explain my point of view:

 

Hinata > Naruto > Sakura > Sasuke > doesn't give a kitten

 

Hinata confessed to Naruto. Sakura confessed to Sasuke. Logically, the only one left is Naruto confessing to Sakura and I don't think Kishimoto will skip it. Also, as we say in Brazil, we always save the best for last. ;]

 

And I must point out, although she is aware he is in love with her, she doesn't know the extent of it. I can assure this last one is garanteed to take a huge impact on her.

 

Naruto and Sai's conversation also implies that Naruto has considered doing it, so let's just wait and see how it goes.

Here i fixed it for ya :happy:

 

Well, its a speculation but its true, like Seriously. What purpise does hinata serve now? Or can she? Hinata has no purpose. Shes done. Its true. Shes only serving as a telescope as stupid as it may sound but its true. Shes an insignificsnt side character. So lets stop bringing her up.

Ps. Good one psychox! :lmao:

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 09:43 AM

Just got my Fairy tail volume 1 through the post and noticed that Hiro did a honourific explaination:

 

 

 

 

 

google's definition of endearment just for clarity

 

So... Seen as Sakura is still using -kun for sasuke we can agree she does still love him at this point..

 

If they are too small i can type out what it says or try getting larger images

 

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Its clear the confession is the most contreversial moment in Naruto. Kishi said he would want to re-do the confession so maybe that's his future plan? to have them confess again?


Edited by HauntedCake, 03 August 2013 - 10:50 AM.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 10:43 AM

Just got my Fairy tail volume 1 through the post and noticed that Hiro did a honourific explaination:

 

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attachicon.gifendear.png google's definition of endearment just for clarity

 

So... Seen as Sakura is still using -kun for sasuke we can agree she does still love him at this point..

 

If they are too small i can type out what it says or try getting larger images

 

 

 

First of all you double posted edit please. Second I'll bring the usage explanation from wikipedia:

 

Although honorifics are not part of the basic grammar of the Japanese language, they are a fundamental part of the sociolinguistics of Japanese, and proper use is essential to proficient and appropriate speech. Significantly, referring to oneself using an honorific, or dropping an honorific when it is required is a serious faux pas, in either case coming across as clumsy or arrogant.

An honorific is generally used when referring to the person one is talking to (one's interlocutor), or when referring to an unrelated third party in speech. It is dropped however by some superiors, when referring to one's in-group, and in formal writing, and is never used to refer to oneself, except for dramatic effect, or some exceptional cases.

Dropping the honorific suffix when referring to one's interlocutor, which is known to as yobisute (呼び捨て?), implies a high degree of intimacy and is generally reserved for one's spouse, younger family members, social inferiors (as in a teacher addressing students in traditional arts), and very close friends. Within sports teams or among classmates, where the interlocutors approximately have the same age or seniority, it can also be acceptable to use family names without honorifics. Some people in the younger generation (roughly "born since 1970") prefer to be referred to without an honorific, however, and drop honorifics as a sign of informality even with casual acquaintances.

When referring to a third person, honorifics are used except when referring to one's family members while talking to a non-family-member, or when referring to a member of one's company while talking to a customer or someone from another company—this is the uchi-soto (in-out) distinction. Honorifics are not used to refer to oneself, except to be arrogant (ore-sama), to be cute (-chan), or sometimes when talking to small children, to teach them how to address the speaker.

Use of honorifics is correlated with other forms of honorific speech in Japanese, notably use of the polite form (-masu, desu) versus the plain form—using the plain form with a polite honorific (-san, -sama) can be jarring, for instance.

 

Hmm...It doesn't mentions anything regarding using an honorific as a sign of affection. Honestly Haunted if Sakura calls Sasuke" kun" means she loves him, then the same can by apply to Orochimaru who uses" kun" for Sasuke too or even Minato who uses an honorific for him too. I know you believe she still loves him, but let me clarify you on something. The Japanese fans and even fans who are neutral in pairings believe she doesn't love Sasuke anymore even Pierot knows she doesn't love him anymore (and we already know they can analyze a middle-schooler manga better than the western fandom. That's why I will stick with their opinion, how can she still love him EVEN after all the negative development Kishi has done between them? It's no joke so much negativity it only shows its a pairing that isn't meant to be. In the end we agree to disagree but take it from me its better to believe fans who are using logic and common sense rather than those who are desperate and want nothing but their favorite pairings to become canon.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 10:44 AM

I think Naruto will indeed confess to Sakura because well she hasn't actually heard it from him and even if Sakura does go first, Naruto will have to reciprocate which is a confession.

 

@deviouslyChaotic: I believe Sakura was lying in the confession and plz correct me if I'm wrong but I believe a part of u doesnt want to admit that Sakura could have lied to Naruto because other ppl might think or claim that it tarnishes her rep and NS. HOWEVER I believe this is far from the case. She went to stop Naruto from being in pain period, so she really cares about him. Which as she was doing, her internal struggle of "I should be in love with Naruto" over "I shouldn't be in love with Sasuke" came out and Naruto could see that. This again is not a bad thing, because as I've said before, if the reasons for why she SHOULD be in love with Naruto arent enough then when she finally does fall in love with him it will on a far higher level. 

Yep, i think the same people dont want to believe that she lied because they ignore the confession to just bash her character like "omg she's a b*tch for trying to manipulate Naruto's feelings for her favour".
I personally believe she wanst sincere on the confession however there were parts of it that showed sincerity when she replied to "I hate ppl who lies to themselves" and told Naruto about stop chasing Sasuke and etc...

She was desperate and she knew her plan would not workout and neither her plan to kill Sasuke because even if Naruto accepted the confession he would found out that she confessed because of the resolution about Sasuke plus breaking Naruto's heart again.

It's obvious that she wants to return Naruto's feelings and she acknowledges her feelings for Sasuke as bad, plus Sai telling her that Naruto loves her, destroyed any possibility of SS because she worries more about Naruto than Sasuke, she has to have a resolution about Sasuke which i believe or she already had or she will prove that she loves Naruto in front of Sasuke and Naruto as a form to break Naruto's mindset that "only Sasuke can make Sakura happy" everything is getting setup for a sceen like this because there's a reason why Kishi put Sakura's feelings on a suspense.

 

 

Just got my Fairy tail volume 1 through the post and noticed that Hiro did a honourific explaination:

 

attachicon.gif IMAG0250 (383x640).jpg

 

attachicon.gif IMAG0252 (383x640).jpg

 

attachicon.gif IMAG0255 (640x383).jpg

 

 

attachicon.gif endear.png google's definition of endearment just for clarity

 

So... Seen as Sakura is still using -kun for sasuke we can agree she does still love him at this point..

 

If they are too small i can type out what it says or try getting larger images

 

 

I find it bad explanation because It dies on the moment that you remember that Minato nd Orochimaru called Sasuke as Sasuke-kun, and everyone on the team Taka also calls him that, and Hinata who used "Kiba-kun" and so on...

The -kun suffix doesnt show endeavour, it would be -chan.


Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 August 2013 - 10:50 AM.

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