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[Liu bie]

 

The smugness with which Sawyer proclaimed he always knew NH was endgame really bothered me. There was very much a bias in his reviews. And I think it was reflexive of the poor approach Kishi took the last 2-3 years.

Sorry can you explain me a  little more the part in bold. My English is not so good.

 

Of course of sawyer you was saying  one or two times that NS were canon.

Edited by Liu bie, 08 January 2015 - 11:43 PM.

[rocci]

General question, is the pejorative connotation to Otaku a recent thing? Is it's pejorative connotation in the West a recent thing?
 
I was pretty heavily involved in the DBZOA (DBZ Otaku Alliance) many, many moons ago, and after it was rebranded as the OA (Otaku Alliance) and I don't remember the same negativity associated with the term. Of course, this was a very different time and the popularity of anime in the US especially was still limited to episodes of DBZ and Sailor Moon on Toonami.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Otaku mean someone who like or too passion toward something to the point become obsessive.
It not only for anime or manga. But then the term change to associated with people who like anime, manga, games, action figure, idol, ect.
In japan it's a negative term and feel with negative stereotype. They treat like an outcast to Japanese society. Maybe recently the society began to accept and acknowledge them.

Outside japan is not negative as japan because people doesn't care or don't know the true meaning over it.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Agree. But that it happens, it happens. You are making it sound as if they weren't. They've talk bad about Sakura before.

 

Sighs.  When I say poiting out, I was obviously refering myself from the moment I quoted you to this moment. 

Lmao, as if you couldn't do that too (:

Clearly it wasn't all that obvious, must have been a mistake on your part I'm sure. 

No, I don't continue pointless conversations that's why this one is over. 
 

[Nostradamus]

 

The smugness with which Sawyer proclaimed he always knew NH was endgame really bothered me. There was very much a bias in his reviews. And I think it was reflexive of the poor approach Kishi took the last 2-3 years.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But someone here posted a long time ago that sawyer himself admitted on tumblr that after 663 he knew that NS was the end game. Or liked a post about NH being dead or something.

[rocci]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But someone here posted a long time ago that sawyer himself admitted on tumblr that after 663 he knew that NS was the end game. Or liked a post about NH being dead or something.

Clearly it's a redherring or retcon.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Funny thing is, if it was our "win" - NH and SS could live with that and watch the series, they could say "oh, okay, at least we didn't loose to nothing, it was heavely pushed in manga and anime" and characters didn't became OOC.

Quoting my self, lol

Now we can't even say this. Because we got whole retcon movie that confirms all manga moments - was NOTHING AT ALL, that kittens on whole story, ridiculosly. It's like you training for a fight, days, weeks, month, and it's day of fight, enemy not winning by some cheat, not by lucky punch, not by judge's decision, he wins because psycho-fan of him runs in the ring and stabs you with a knife. This ending - worst ending that I saw in my life.

[Liu bie]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But someone here posted a long time ago that sawyer himself admitted on tumblr that after 663 he knew that NS was the end game. Or liked a post about NH being dead or something.

I think he was saying that nh was dead in 631. About tumblr I do not know so much.

[Khaleesi]

Clearly it wasn't all that obvious, must have been a mistake on your part I'm sure. 

No, I don't continue pointless conversations that's why this one is over. 
 

Lmao. Obviously mine More like jumping to assumptions when you are trying to point out assumptions, lol.

 

Ok, then I have the last word (:

[Narufan85]

He really said that? Even when I use to be netraul fan I never thought NH was a certain thing. Lol this guy really is bias.

Afraid so.

 

Sorry can you explain me a  little more the part in bold. My English is not so good.

 

Of course of sawyer you was saying  one or two times that NS were canon.

The way he would talk about Sasuke, for example. In reviewing 698, he commented on and on about how great Sasuke was. To me, that reflects a failing on Kishi's part, in that the title character is/was often pushed aside in favor of Sasuke.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong. But someone here posted a long time ago that sawyer himself admitted on tumblr that after 663 he knew that NS was the end game. Or liked a post about NH being dead or something.

I can only speak for the reviews I watched during the final 30 chapters or so, but in reviewing 699 and 700 he was very clear in stating something to the effect of, "I always knew NH was endgame."

[Nostradamus]

Funny thing is, if it was our "win" - NH and SS could live with that and watch the series, they could say "oh, okay, at least we didn't loose to nothing, it was heavely pushed in manga and anime" and characters didn't became OOC. But now this kitten is what happend, not only NS fandom is broken, but big part of Naruto fandom will remember Naruto as a good/midcore manga with sh*tty ending. Part of hardcore fans that was true to story - won't even look at post 698 kitten ever again, surely they read 699/700 to end the misery of story. Pairing aside, do any of you satisfied with how Naruto became hokage? Because there was no proclaming from him with a scene of Ibiki/Iruka/Ebisu saying "kitten, he did it even staying genin" or some panel with gost or even a memory of Minato/Kushina/Sarutobi/Jiraiya and etc people who was precious to Naruto. All we got, is Sasuke's drama-like monologue, Sakura fangirl, and "look there is whole bunch of new chapters copies from now old generations, look, whole part 2 don't even got mentioned, how do you like it?" It feels like "hokage" stuff thrown in there, just for fans could recognize this person as Naruto, it's like "hey, catch this bone, you little kitten" to Naruto fans that wasn't looking for Hinata and Sasuke. Biggest "kitten you" I ever saw.

What they call an ending and an epilogue is the biggest middle finger to us all.

 

Clearly it's a redherring or retcon.

Wow a retcon in real life.

Edited by Nostradamus, 08 January 2015 - 11:49 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Clearly it's a redherring or retcon.

So NH/SS has the power to alter everything before? Good to know.

[RyohkiFan]

 
The smugness with which Sawyer proclaimed he always knew NH was endgame really bothered me. There was very much a bias in his reviews. And I think it was reflexive of the poor approach Kishi took the last 2-3 years.

I like his videos because he wasn't all about pairings and didn't single out Sakura like For...crud I forgot his name...but anyway!!! I got irked as well when he said that, he has his opinion though but it kinda made me stop watching his Naruto videos I wasn't all that big into pairings, had a thing for SS due to stereotype, but I always felt it was gonna be NS

[Liu bie]

 

 

The way he would talk about Sasuke, for example. In reviewing 698, he commented on and on about how great Sasuke was. To me, that reflects a failing on Kishi's part, in that the title character is/was often pushed aside in favor of Sasuke.

 

 

I remembered that  I really hate that.

 

[rocci]

So NH/SS has the power to alter everything before? Good to know.

Don't you know that tenseigan has the ability to alter reality?

@nostradamus
Don't be surprise

[TheFlash]

I like his videos because he wasn't all about pairings and didn't single out Sakura like For...crud I forgot his name...but anyway!!! I got irked as well when he said that, he has his opinion though but it kinda made me stop watching his Naruto videos I wasn't all that big into pairings, had a thing for SS due to stereotype, but I always felt it was gonna be NS

Thats exactly I felt. When I didn't care about pairings, I always thought each ship had a chance but at the same time I also felt NS had the better chance. Also, why do people enjoy watching reviews on manga chapters?

Edited by TheFlash, 08 January 2015 - 11:56 PM.

[RyohkiFan]

Thats exactly I felt. When I didn't care about pairings, I always thought each ship had a chance but at the same time I also felt NS had the better chance. Also, why do people enjoy watching reviews on manga chapters?

I liked it to see their take on it and see if they have a similar view or a different one, also sometimes they're funny lol

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

If you believe what Ichigo's friend says, the Japanese fanbase is curious and interested enough to not be completely put off in watching the spin-off. The reactions are mixed, but large portions are still willing to trust Kishi in some capacity.

Those are the general fans that has sympathy for Sakura because how the way Kishi and SP treated her. Sadly the Japs failed to see why Sakura's character is much hated in the West and SS is the main reason why she's hated outside of Japan. The logic neutral fans see NS was the intended end game pairing and those on the Anti The Last Thread on 2chan seemed very disturbed by Kishi's betrayal of NS fans. I suspect they discontinued the franchise.

And you have NS which is a powerhouse (not powerful as SS) alongside SN pretty much won't watch Pt3. But I heards Japs NS fans still have faith in Kishi to give use something when comes spring so yeah. I see the only reason why they stick around besides seeing the franchise flop like us.

No matter the results, at least half the Japanese fandom will not discontinue the series.

[trang95]

Thats exactly I felt. When I didn't care about pairings, I always thought each ship had a chance but at the same time I also felt NS had the better chance. Also, why do people enjoy watching reviews on manga chapters?

Good question. I love seeing reviews, including those of Forneverworld and Sawyer7mage- well, when they don't comment on pairings you know. I watch reviews b/c I like to know what others think of a recent episode/chapter and see them explaining why they think so. Sometimes I watch videos to understand certain plotpoints and character behaviors better. Or sometimes, it's simply out of entertainment b/c some of the reviewers are hilarious as hell.

[RyohkiFan]

Good question. I love seeing reviews, including those of Forneverworld and Sawyer7mage- well, when they don't comment on pairings you know. I watch reviews b/c I like to know what others think of a recent episode/chapter and see them explaining why they think so. Sometimes I watch videos to understand certain plotpoints and character behaviors better. Or sometimes, it's simply out of entertainment b/c some of the reviewers are hilarious as hell.

You and me always share similar opinion alot

[Gaara's hair]

You and me always share similar opinion alot

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