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[jak123]

Hoenheim did some terrible stuff for sure, BUT he did love his family, even as scared as he was to remain with them and what led to the tragedy with them, though he isn't on par with Naruto and Sasuke in many cases for sure. Considering at least with Hoenheim, he didn't  try to KILL Ed or Al, like Sasuke did with Sarada just because he had never seen her after Karin gave birth to her and she was raised by Sakura.

Yeah Hoenheim is alot more complicated. He loved Trisha and the boys very much. Even though he left, you could tell that he loved them. I can't tell if Naruto loves his kids and Sasuke definitely doesn't love his.

 

Isn't it funny. Not only did Sasuke try to murder his wife, he also tried to murder his daughter. Father of the Year.

Edited by jak123, 09 July 2018 - 01:34 AM.

[Kagomaru]

Hoenheim did some terrible stuff for sure, BUT he did love his family, even as scared as he was to remain with them and what led to the tragedy with them, though he isn't on par with Naruto and Sasuke in many cases for sure. Considering at least with Hoenheim, he didn't  try to KILL Ed or Al, like Sasuke did with Sarada just because he had never seen her after Karin gave birth to her and she was raised by Sakura.

I think ultranx is referring to Father, the leader/progenitor of the Homunculi, not Hoenheim.

[James S Cassidy]

I think ultranx is referring to Father, the leader/progenitor of the Homunculi, not Hoenheim.

coughChild'splaycough

Edited by James S Cassidy, 27 June 2018 - 11:03 PM.

[Yyubie]

Hoenheim did some terrible stuff for sure, BUT he did love his family, even as scared as he was to remain with them and what led to the tragedy with them, though he isn't on par with Naruto and Sasuke in many cases for sure. Considering at least with Hoenheim, he didn't  try to KILL Ed or Al, like Sasuke did with Sarada just because he had never seen her after Karin gave birth to her and she was raised by Sakura.

Bold : So you believe salad is karin and sasuke daughter xD. I agree with you , the fact that Kishi end gaiden with that "I leave it to your imagination" sort of message it's really mean something like that.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I think ultranx is referring to Father, the leader/progenitor of the Homunculi, not Hoenheim.

 

Yeah, though he has a good point with Tucker too. That bastard... XP

 

 

Bold : So you believe salad is karin and sasuke daughter xD. I agree with you , the fact that Kishi end gaiden with that "I leave it to your imagination" sort of message it's really mean something like that.

 

Considering too that Karin has Sarada's umbilical cord, and that's said to be something the MOTHER has in Japanese culture, on top of the fact DNA tests hardly lie unless something is misread, it seems to make too much sense Sarada is Sasuke and Karin's daughter.

[ultranx]

 

Yeah, though he has a good point with Tucker too. That bastard... XP

 

 

 

Considering too that Karin has Sarada's umbilical cord, and that's said to be something the MOTHER has in Japanese culture, on top of the fact DNA tests hardly lie unless something is misread, it seems to make too much sense Sarada is Sasuke and Karin's daughter.

yeah I was talking about tucker turning his daughter into a chimera.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Bold : So you believe salad is karin and sasuke daughter xD. I agree with you , the fact that Kishi end gaiden with that "I leave it to your imagination" sort of message it's really mean something like that.

And I feel sorry for Sakura so much she has nothing when you think about nothing.

[NaruSaku122]

And I feel sorry for Sakura so much she has nothing when you think about nothing.

Tbh if Sarada is Karins daughter i wouldn't feel sorry for her.I'm feeling torn about this subject. I hate that she has reverted back to her 12 years old fangirl days, marries that psychopath and waits for him even he doesn't care about her while i also have respect for her that she has the strengh to raise and love a child that isn't hers. The thing is biological child or not they still see each other as mother and child. the real problem is that deadbeat

 

but i'm still asking why would she raise a child that her husband has with someone else. were they married already when Sakura(Karin) got pregnant? was it cheating?( i haven't read anything past the chapter where Naruto says goodbye to his mom so i'm not that up to date lol and man was i surprised when i found out Naruto married Hinata)

Edited by NaruSaku122, 29 June 2018 - 12:31 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Tbh if Sarada is Karins daughter i wouldn't feel sorry for her.I'm feeling torn about this subject. I hate that she has reverted back to her 12 years old fangirl days, marries that psychopath and waits for him even he doesn't care about her while i also have respect for her that she has the strengh to raise and love a child that isn't hers. The thing is biological child or not they still see each other as mother and child. the real problem is that deadbeat

 

but i'm still asking why would she raise a child that her husband has with someone else. were they married already when Sakura(Karin) got pregnant? was it cheating?( i haven't read anything past the chapter where Naruto says goodbye to his mom so i'm not that up to date lol and man was i surprised when i found out Naruto married Hinata)

The problem with Sasuke and Sakura's "marriage" is that the whole thing is...unexplainable. Every time people make a claim about them, the story just proves them wrong.

"Sasuke and Sakura married." Yet, they have no wedding pictures, Sakura can't remember any of the good times with Sasuke, and the only date she can remember was only 2 and half minutes long. How? How can Sasuke and Sakura be married when there is so much lack of evidence that they are? There is absolutly no proof they are married. Not even the Gaiden novels have any explanation. Whenever anything about marriage occurs it is always about NH's wedding.

"Salad is Sasuke and Sakura's kid." Based off what? A technique that can easily be taught to a person with enough chakra control? There is nothing to suggest Salad is Sakura's kid and even Kishimoto himself said "She is whatever you want her to be." So, if you believe she is Karin's kids, then she is Karin's kid.

It's also funny how the story of Salad's birth has so many plot holes it is not funny:
So apparently Sakura was pregnant with Sasuke's kid and went out to go find him all the while being pregnant. She left the village for 9 months (covenient) without anyone knowing, including Naruto, and went to go find it by using the help of Karin (also covenient.) They searched for 9 months and never found him and Karin helped Sakura give birth in the wild without any medical training what so ever. Sakura eventually came back to Konoha, baby in hand, and Karin gave Sakura her glasses to give to the daughter when she grows up and never filed a birth certificate and again all while Naruto knew NOTHING.

HOW? How did this all happen? Why did Karin give Sakura her glasses? What was the point of that? Why does Salad wear glasses in the first place? She is an Uchiha...she should have the best eyesight out of anyone and yet, she needs to wear glasses? Since there is no mention of it being a fashion statement, then why wear them? If she is not Karin's daughter, why give the glasses at all? Also, why give Karin the Umbilicol cord if she is not her mother? In Japanese custom, the birth mother keeps the umbilicol cord, so why didn't Sakura keep it? Sakura said she only been with Sasuke on a "real date" for 2 and a half minutes. Okay, so in 2 and a half minutes they got married and had sex to create Salad in a convenient time wheneveryone else was doing it to have kids?

The whole thing reeks of plot convenience and we are told to accept this as the canon. Okay, I know this is a fictional story, but this is beyond stretching the suspension of belief. Not to mention Sasuke knows none of this at all either. So what the hell?

So Occam's razor, it is easier to believe that it is Karin's baby that she is trying to protect against orochimaru and Sakura is being a foster parent to hold a bargaining chip over Sasuke's head to keep him saying "My loving wife." Really, when he said that line, he has this like unimpressed lazy guy face to him like he is saying it just to say it.

Would it be that hard to believe that Sakura has been turned into being so overly obsessive over Sasuke that she uses a baby as collateral? I do. Not only that, but even so this still makes her a better mother than Hinata.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 29 June 2018 - 02:01 AM.

[jak123]

The problem with Sasuke and Sakura's "marriage" is that the whole thing is...unexplainable. Every time people make a claim about them, the story just proves them wrong.

"Sasuke and Sakura married." Yet, they have no wedding pictures, Sakura can't remember any of the good times with Sasuke, and the only date she can remember was only 2 and half minutes long. How? How can Sasuke and Sakura be married when there is so much lack of evidence that they are. There is absolutly no proof they are married. Not even the Gaiden novels have any explanation. Whenever anything about marriage occurs it is always about NH's wedding.

"Salad is Sasuke and Sakura's kid." Based off what? A technique that can easily be taught to a person with enough chakra control? There is nothing to suggest Salad is Sakura's kid and even Kishimoto himself said "She is whatever you want her to be." So, if you believe she is Karin's kids, then she is Karin's kid.

It's also funny how the story of Salad's birth has so many plot holes it is not funny:
So apparently Sakura was pregnant with Sasuke's kid and went out to go find him all the while being pregnant. She left the village for 9 months (covenient) without anyone knowing, including Naruto, and went to go find it by using the help of Karin (also covenient.) They searched for 9 months and never found him and Karin helped Sakura give birth in the wild without any medical training what so ever. Sakura eventually came back to Konoha, baby in hand, and Karin gave Sakura her glasses to give to the daughter when she grows up and never filed a birth certificate and again all while Naruto knew NOTHING.

HOW? How did this all happen? Why did Karin give Sakura her glasses? What was the point of that? Why does Salad wear glasses in the first place? She is an Uchiha...she should have the best eyesight out of anyone and yet, she needs to wear glasses? Since there is no mention of it being a fashion statement, then why wear them? If she is not Karin's daughter, why give the glasses at all? Also, why give Karin the Umbilicol cord if she is not her mother? In Japanese custom, the birth mother keeps the umbilicol cord, so why didn't Sakura keep it? Sakura said she only been with Sasuke on a "real date" for 2 and a half minutes. Okay, so in 2 and a half minutes they got married and had sex to create Salad in a convenient time wheneveryone else was doing it to have kids?

The whole thing reeks of plot convenience and we are told to accept this as the canon. Okay, I know this is a fictional story, but this is beyond stretching the suspension of belief. Not to mention Sasuke knows none of this at all either. So what the hell?

So Occam's razor, it is easier to believe that it is Karin's baby that she is trying to protect against orochimaru and Sakura is being a foster parent to hold a bargaining chip over Sasuke's head to keep him saying "My loving wife." Really, when he said that line, he has this like unimpressed lazy guy face to him like he is saying it just to say it.

Would it be that hard to beliee that Sakura has been turn into being such overly obsessive over Sasuke that she uses a a baby as collateral? I do. Not only that, but even so this still makes her a better mother than Hinata.

So much this.

[James S Cassidy]

So much this.

It gets even better:

The next time any Pro-ender says "Hinata is like Minato and Naruto is Kushina" or something along those lines...post this:

 

So Minato said that Naruto is like him and Sakura is exactly like Kushina...

Boom, black and white...clear as crystal....They can't say "Hinata is like Minatio and Naruto is like Kushina" when Naruto's own father says Naruto and Sakura are like him and Kushina. Who else would know better than Minato himself? And this is all Kishimoto's work so they can't argue red herring BS anymore.
 

The problem pro NH but antisakura fans have to deal with

• The manga:  shows us that naruto is unable to fall in a genjutsu Because of kuruma and sage Chakra
• The last:  Naruto falls in a genjutsu
• Wankers:  It's Because the genjutsu was THAT strong!! That even Naruto was able to fall in one!!
• Sakura fans:  yet sakura was able to break it? Does that mean that sakura is THAT awesome to the point that she was able to break free from a genjutsu that even a person with tailed beast/sage power wasn't able to? THAT'S MY GURL!!
• Wankers:  B-But that's not true!! I'm sure that there is a logical explanation for it!! Maybe the genjutsu wasn't that strong!!
• Anti-last fans:  if that's true than it shows us again why the last is a kitten movie with lots of plot holes.
• Wankers:  N-No that's not what we meant!!
• The rest of the fandom:  Than what did you meant? You gotta choose!! Rather you accept that Sakura is that awesome? Or you have to accept that the last had too many plot holes to be considered canon
• Wankers:  W-We can't

Edited by James S Cassidy, 29 June 2018 - 04:46 PM.

[NaruSaku122]

The problem with Sasuke and Sakura's "marriage" is that the whole thing is...unexplainable. Every time people make a claim about them, the story just proves them wrong.

"Sasuke and Sakura married." Yet, they have no wedding pictures, Sakura can't remember any of the good times with Sasuke, and the only date she can remember was only 2 and half minutes long. How? How can Sasuke and Sakura be married when there is so much lack of evidence that they are? There is absolutly no proof they are married. Not even the Gaiden novels have any explanation. Whenever anything about marriage occurs it is always about NH's wedding.

"Salad is Sasuke and Sakura's kid." Based off what? A technique that can easily be taught to a person with enough chakra control? There is nothing to suggest Salad is Sakura's kid and even Kishimoto himself said "She is whatever you want her to be." So, if you believe she is Karin's kids, then she is Karin's kid.

It's also funny how the story of Salad's birth has so many plot holes it is not funny:
So apparently Sakura was pregnant with Sasuke's kid and went out to go find him all the while being pregnant. She left the village for 9 months (covenient) without anyone knowing, including Naruto, and went to go find it by using the help of Karin (also covenient.) They searched for 9 months and never found him and Karin helped Sakura give birth in the wild without any medical training what so ever. Sakura eventually came back to Konoha, baby in hand, and Karin gave Sakura her glasses to give to the daughter when she grows up and never filed a birth certificate and again all while Naruto knew NOTHING.

HOW? How did this all happen? Why did Karin give Sakura her glasses? What was the point of that? Why does Salad wear glasses in the first place? She is an Uchiha...she should have the best eyesight out of anyone and yet, she needs to wear glasses? Since there is no mention of it being a fashion statement, then why wear them? If she is not Karin's daughter, why give the glasses at all? Also, why give Karin the Umbilicol cord if she is not her mother? In Japanese custom, the birth mother keeps the umbilicol cord, so why didn't Sakura keep it? Sakura said she only been with Sasuke on a "real date" for 2 and a half minutes. Okay, so in 2 and a half minutes they got married and had sex to create Salad in a convenient time wheneveryone else was doing it to have kids?

The whole thing reeks of plot convenience and we are told to accept this as the canon. Okay, I know this is a fictional story, but this is beyond stretching the suspension of belief. Not to mention Sasuke knows none of this at all either. So what the hell?

So Occam's razor, it is easier to believe that it is Karin's baby that she is trying to protect against orochimaru and Sakura is being a foster parent to hold a bargaining chip over Sasuke's head to keep him saying "My loving wife." Really, when he said that line, he has this like unimpressed lazy guy face to him like he is saying it just to say it.

Would it be that hard to believe that Sakura has been turned into being so overly obsessive over Sasuke that she uses a baby as collateral? I do. Not only that, but even so this still makes her a better mother than Hinata.

Hmm after i read your response i'm confused. There are no wedding pictures?  and they had a date for only a couple of minutes? wt* how can anyone take this seriously? that's no marriage Now the ending and Boruto sounds even worse. 

To protect her from Orochimaru? i thought he turned good guy in boruto?(They should have brought back Jiraiya instead of him tbh.)

Edited by NaruSaku122, 29 June 2018 - 02:32 AM.

[Yyubie]

I hope and i want salad to be karin and sasuke's. But if that's true then it will make Sakura look very very low and worse and pathetic. I mean then what is she doing taking care of the daughter of someone else??? a baby sitter ?? . It's like Sasuke and Karin goes on honey moon traveling around the world and leave salad to sakura ... We're going to have some fun so please take care of our daughter .... that is sad and looks very bad.

[Illnevergiveup3]

I hope and i want salad to be karin and sasuke's. But if that's true then it will make Sakura look very very low and worse and pathetic. I mean then what is she doing taking care of the daughter of someone else??? a baby sitter ?? . It's like Sasuke and Karin goes on honey moon traveling around the world and leave salad to sakura ... We're going to have some fun so please take care of our daughter .... that is sad and looks very bad.

 

I already know every night, those long, lonely nights, she has Naruto on her mind, the one she truly loves if we are going by canon material. She misses him every night, wishes she married him instead, and maybe if Kishimoto was still writing the story, he would show that. And I want it to come to pass. I want both of them to finally be happy with each other.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Would it be that hard to believe that Sakura has been turned into being so overly obsessive over Sasuke that she uses a baby as collateral? I do. Not only that, but even so this still makes her a better mother than Hinata.

 

Agreed, but at the same time, it shows how messed up the ending was in ruining Sakura's character in another way once more as if hating her wasn't enough. X_X 

[Bail o' Lies]

Tbh if Sarada is Karins daughter i wouldn't feel sorry for her.I'm feeling torn about this subject. I hate that she has reverted back to her 12 years old fangirl days, marries that psychopath and waits for him even he doesn't care about her while i also have respect for her that she has the strengh to raise and love a child that isn't hers. The thing is biological child or not they still see each other as mother and child. the real problem is that deadbeat

 

but i'm still asking why would she raise a child that her husband has with someone else. were they married already when Sakura(Karin) got pregnant? was it cheating?( i haven't read anything past the chapter where Naruto says goodbye to his mom so i'm not that up to date lol and man was i surprised when i found out Naruto married Hinata)

Salad is officially Sakura's kid. If you're going off what I said. What I meant by it was Kishimoto hated the ending pairing so much he wanted to do it/was considering it/it went with the flow of the story/etcetera, but SS complained loudly enough the editor got involved and he had to back off.

 

Edit James I don't feel like making another post at the moment: In the gaiden Naruto was actually shocked by the test results, and could only defend his friends by saying bonds are what important not blood. In the anime they desperately softly retcon that so no one other Salad would ever question that she is a SS child simply because the question being absurd due to the love SS have for each other.

 

Goku before Super made money as a lumberjack, as I recall. Then they switched him switch to Farmer at some point.

 

I think I had an excuse for that. Sasuke probably really didn't send them any money because he honestly doesn't care. But if asked and they know what it is; they would probably say that Naruto either sends part of the money from Sasuke mission to Sakura, or give her some sort of stipend.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 29 June 2018 - 10:25 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Hmm after i read your response i'm confused. There are no wedding pictures?  and they had a date for only a couple of minutes? wt* how can anyone take this seriously? that's no marriage Now the ending and Boruto sounds even worse. 

To protect her from Orochimaru? i thought he turned good guy in boruto?(They should have brought back Jiraiya instead of him tbh.)

There is nothing to indicate anything of their marriage. No rings, no pictures, no story, no Hiden novel about them getting married, not Naruto going to their wedding....NOTHING. Not even a story of Naruto buying them a wedding present. I mean, NH is bad, but at least you SEE them getting married. Sakura looks like she just slapped the Uchiha symbol on her clothing and boom she thinks she is Sasuke's wife.

In fact, Salad often questions their marriage by saying to Sakura herself: "I don't think you guys are really married at all." Salad, during Gaiden and several places, asked Sakura if Sasuke wore glasses.....Sakura's response. "I don't know." WHAT?! How do you not know whether or not Sasuke wears glasses?

There is so much more that it is hard to point it all out. It has gotten so bad that people have making stories that Sakura raped Sasuke in his sleep to explain Salad or she poked holes in the condoms....I wish I was kidding.

 

I hope and i want salad to be karin and sasuke's. But if that's true then it will make Sakura look very very low and worse and pathetic. I mean then what is she doing taking care of the daughter of someone else??? a baby sitter ?? . It's like Sasuke and Karin goes on honey moon traveling around the world and leave salad to sakura ... We're going to have some fun so please take care of our daughter .... that is sad and looks very bad.

Again, would you really be surprised? They already made Sakura so obsessive that she just faints whenever Sasuke says "hey." Sakura is so obsessed that she has to wear Sasuke's Uchiha symbol, not even something Sasuke himself wears anymore, just to feel validated.
 

 

Salad is officially Sakura's kid. If you're going off what I said. What I meant by it was Kishimoto hated the ending pairing so much he wanted to do it/was considering it/it went with the flow of the story/etcetera, but SS complained loudly enough the editor got involved and he had to back off.

Let's be honest, Kishimoto wanted to do alot of things, but this has become the editor's story and not Kishimoto's.

I don't think we have even read Kishimoto's version of Naruto. It's like Zack Snyder making a whole bunch of good movies only to have Josh Whedon coming in and changing everything.


Oh and I wanted everyone to know I figured out something.

So a while back we were explaining how Sasuke provides no money to Sakura and Salad and Sakura is living off loans. She says this herself in Gaiden. However, when mentioning bad father Goku was brought into the picture of whether or not Goku provides for Chi-Chi and his family and it was mentioned that Goku wins money through Torunaments. After some REALLY rough caluclations. I think I can show how much money Goku really has.

So, I found out that in Dragonball that tournaments can range from small to national and they each can have a monetary prize of 2 million zeni to 20 million zeni. I found this out when Yamcha actually competed in a tournament and won and the other was from digging through Dragonball databooks and such on the currency of DBZ.

Anyway, Zeni and Yen are the same, according to Toriyama and converting that to money means that a person can gain anywhere from $20,000 to $200,000 if they win. Giving a rough estimate of how many tournaments occured, whether Goku competed in them, I made a rough estimate that if he started as a kid and went into tournaments till he was 23-25 (which is up to the Saiyan Saga.) Then Goku could have gained anywhere from $3,000,000 to $6,000,000 in prize money over the years.

I must add that this is also rounding conversions, not taking into account Goku possibly losing and being pushed to second place, and other possible factors.

I guess the point I am really trying to say is that Goku now has proof that he provides money for his family more than Sasuke does. and $3-6 mill is not that bad. You can definitly stretch that out to last a while.

[tricksie]

And don't forget Minato, Naruto and Sakura's little interaction, where Naruto tells his dad she's his girlfriend, Sakura gets flustered, Minato is reminded of his wife and — this is the important part — Minato exits Naruto's life for the very last time, saying to Sakura "I'll leave him to you."

 

This happens again and again Japanese storytelling about passing on care and responsibility to another person. Itachi also left responsiblity for Sasuke in Naruto's hands.

 

So for Naruto to have married Hinata, he would have had to go against his mother's advice, what he's already told Minato, and Minato's blessing and 'passing the torch' of family responsibility over to Sakura.

 

So...yeah.... And he's married to Hinata for...reasons.....

 

Meanwhile there is zero evidence Sakura and Sasuke are even married, and her story about Sarada's birth is so flimsy even Sarada doesn't believe her!!! They dedicate a whole storyline to it, and in it there is no satisfactory or conclusive answers about Sarada's birth story/parent, the nature of Sakura and Sasuke's relationship. And we even get a weirdo speech from Naruto saying it's not what on the surface but it's what you feel that matters. WTF?!?

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

And don't forget Minato, Naruto and Sakura's little interaction, where Naruto tells his dad she's his girlfriend, Sakura gets flustered, Minato is reminded of his wife and — this is the important part — Minato exits Naruto's life for the very last time, saying to Sakura "I'll leave him to you."

 

This happens again and again Japanese storytelling about passing on care and responsibility to another person. Itachi also left responsiblity for Sasuke in Naruto's hands.

 

So for Naruto to have married Hinata, he would have had to go against his mother's advice, what he's already told Minato, and Minato's blessing and 'passing the torch' of family responsibility over to Sakura.

 

So...yeah.... And he's married to Hinata for...reasons.....

 

Meanwhile there is zero evidence Sakura and Sasuke are even married, and her story about Sarada's birth is so flimsy even Sarada doesn't believe her!!! They dedicate a whole storyline to it, and in it there is no satisfactory or conclusive answers about Sarada's birth story/parent, the nature of Sakura and Sasuke's relationship. And we even get a weirdo speech from Naruto saying it's not what on the surface but it's what you feel that matters. WTF?!?

 

You basically described how I feel about everything since 699, 700, The Last, and beyond in a nutshell, Tricks! It's basically a jumbled mess that no one can follow, but the "fans" that Studio Pierrot wanted to cater to don't even give a damn about it because they feel they "won" just because NaruHina when it was really about making Hinata happy, not anyone else, and we know for a fact by evidence in the manga and such that Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, everyone else... THEY'RE FREAKING MISERABLE!!!!!

[Derock]

 

You basically described how I feel about everything since 699, 700, The Last, and beyond in a nutshell, Tricks! It's basically a jumbled mess that no one can follow, but the "fans" that Studio Pierrot wanted to cater to don't even give a damn about it because they feel they "won" just because NaruHina when it was really about making Hinata happy, not anyone else, and we know for a fact by evidence in the manga and such that Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, everyone else... THEY'RE FREAKING MISERABLE!!!!!

 

Not to mention the fact that somehow Hinata must had top priority OVER the freaking main titular character.