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Posted 02 August 2013 - 11:05 AM

Does anybody have good proof that naruto love sakura?

 

there's this stubborn naruhina fan that says this.. "What gives you the right to say that? Naruto never said that he LOVES Sakura. Not even close. He only said that he likes her and he admitted that be has feelings for her but that is still light years away from love.

 

In a manga about not giving up the main protagonist will be with a girl who gave up on the man she loved just when he finally turned good. Yeah, right...

Naruto on the other hand CANNOT give up his love for Sakura because no Naruto's LOVE for Sakura was ever confirmed. And there was plenty of crushes that seem to no longer exist (Rock Lee's crush on Sakura) so Naruto giving up his CRUSH wouldn't be anything new or strange."

 

And I'm just like facepalm, isn't the "admit his feelings to Sai" clear enough..

 

 

Tell him to check his reading comprehension skills...

First , Action speak louder than words..
1-Gaara fight HE DID EVERYTHING is his power to save her from him and he didnt stop until she was free , also i heard him admitting that he WILL PROTECT SAkurA -chan which is very close to a love confession since in japan that is how boys/men express their love
 

2- POAL putting his happiness aside for HER ..

 

3- Cheering her up (for her) in the chuunin exams and all the way through out the whole manga....

 

4- He complimented her forehead , her skills and what not

5 - he wants to protect her smile .... jEsus how is this not enough??

Show him scans .. from this situations , i can keep on rambling , but that is what i can say so far .. if he still needs proof we'll talk again. :wink:

 

Or just show him 631 and 632  aka HInata's welcoming to the friendzone and his feelings...

Sai's flashback is there and is not outdated  , he will not move on until he has confessed ....

 

 

The last time i had a debate with nh fan he told me i am shifting Tsunade ,Kushina and SAkura's characters.. they are not Tsunderes ... And i was forcing feelings into Sakura.,.... :glare:  -_- 


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 11:40 AM

Does anybody have good proof that naruto love sakura?
 
there's this stubborn naruhina fan that says this.. "What gives you the right to say that? Naruto never said that he LOVES Sakura. Not even close. He only said that he likes her and he admitted that be has feelings for her but that is still light years away from love.
 
In a manga about not giving up the main protagonist will be with a girl who gave up on the man she loved just when he finally turned good. Yeah, right...
Naruto on the other hand CANNOT give up his love for Sakura because no Naruto's LOVE for Sakura was ever confirmed. And there was plenty of crushes that seem to no longer exist (Rock Lee's crush on Sakura) so Naruto giving up his CRUSH wouldn't be anything new or strange."

 
And I'm just like facepalm, isn't the "admit his feelings to Sai" clear enough..

Just show him the chapter where sai talks to sakura and tells her, that even he can tell that naruto truly loves her, if he really needs a chapter with the word "love" in it.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:59 PM

I'll say this much, Naruto's love is perhaps the only one that is taken highly serious, though oddly enough in the west, it is seen to be taken the least serious. I mean which love you can really say it has a date, let alone that we actually got a date. I don't remember seeing one for other protagonists, especially ones that actually got a romance ending. Won't it look bad to have him not loving Sakura anymore? It will just make that love as another love that you can easily flick the switch and that's not encouraging.

 

Lastly, yeah, a man saying, "I will protect ____" as in individual woman means a huge importance in that man's life. Yes, it can be used for confession. It works so well for Gundam series. Naruto has been doing this for a long time, and Yamato even knows it when talking to him. The moral is that Naruto's love is the  most important one in the series.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:08 PM

Guess one thing I should say is, the whole ordeal of Sakura never getting over Sasuke. Many just think that her failure to kill Sasuke was forcing us to understand she could never change, thats just a statement full of holes, if Sakura could never turn away from Sasuke, the same logic could apply for Naruto loving Sakura, no one becomes happy in the end. Even still, the purpose of Sakura trying to kill Sasuke was simple, to try and end Naruto's suffering and to stop Sasuke from sinking lower, but Sakura was stopped due to her emotions, one of her character designs is to represent human weakness. It was also for her to see what Sasuke became and in effect also lead to more development for her, like her speech in 630 and revealed she didn't trust him in 635.

 

But people still thought Sakura is always just fixated on Sasuke like in part 1, not focused or caring at all for Naruto. Naruto not once ever thought loving Sakura was wrong or doubting her, even with the lie to themselves line, he could have been angry at first but after Sai told him why, that should be merit enough for him to understand (even then the anime filler had him still loving Sakura and 631 he practically confirms he still likes her). Yet for all the SS stuff or arguments, we have seen Sakura doubting Sasuke twice so far. She didn't just run over to him like they said, she was cautious and careful when he first came and now not trusting him. I just wonder what the reaction will be if Sasuke intends to harm Naruto and Sakura reacts on Naruto's behalf. They say she does not care, yet its the exact opposite she thinks highly of Naruto and could not imagine something bad happening to him.



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:42 PM

 Lmao. Naruto doesn't love Sakura? Its obvious IMO that it was way more than a crush in part 1. Look at his response to the hospital scene. His declaration to bring Sasuke back for her. It hurt him and he still did it. Its definitely more than mere crush and what Rock Lee felt for her doesn't even compare. Sure, his affections are sweet but they don't really shoot anywhere past that. 

 

Its funny how one can claim such a thing as this but totally feel Naruto has flourishing feelings for Hinata. Straight up bananas imo. Lol Denial at its finest.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:46 PM

Does anybody have good proof that naruto love sakura?

 

there's this stubborn naruhina fan that says this.. "What gives you the right to say that? Naruto never said that he LOVES Sakura. Not even close. He only said that he likes her and he admitted that be has feelings for her but that is still light years away from love.

 

In a manga about not giving up the main protagonist will be with a girl who gave up on the man she loved just when he finally turned good. Yeah, right...

Naruto on the other hand CANNOT give up his love for Sakura because no Naruto's LOVE for Sakura was ever confirmed. And there was plenty of crushes that seem to no longer exist (Rock Lee's crush on Sakura) so Naruto giving up his CRUSH wouldn't be anything new or strange."

 

And I'm just like facepalm, isn't the "admit his feelings to Sai" clear enough..

 

Lol! That post is from MF. And the above post was directed at me after I said Naruto loves Sakura.

 

My piece of advice is to ignore that guy. He is fanatic nh shiper/Hinata fan. And he is not above insulting you personaly and degrading you. Since he says he is like 30 or something. So we all pale to his knowlage. Ignore him, or do what I did. I posted this as a replay to the above post...

 

 

Lol just lol!

Can you tell me which manga is this btv? Because I would love to stay away from such manga. I would rather read the manga Kishi writes, then the one you are reading.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:10 PM

Its very insulting to Naruto's character to think he doesnt love sakura. its just blasphemy and desperation


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:17 PM

 Lmao. Naruto doesn't love Sakura? Its obvious IMO that it was way more than a crush in part 1. Look at his response to the hospital scene. His declaration to bring Sasuke back for her. It hurt him and he still did it. Its definitely more than mere crush and what Rock Lee felt for her doesn't even compare. Sure, his affections are sweet but they don't really shoot anywhere past that. 

 

Its funny how one can claim such a thing as this but totally feel Naruto has flourishing feelings for Hinata. Straight up bananas imo. Lol Denial at its finest.

Man I agree,

 

Naruto doesn't love Sakura because he never said he loves her?

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Those guys (the opposite fandom, who else :zaru: ) need really to go read first chapters.

Naruto said himself in class when he introduced Sakura, that she is the girl he likes, and after that, in chapter 3, he says why he "loves" her. Man, if we're going to deny everything in the manga, and just remember only the NH panels, than, there is no need to take part of the pairing debate with the opposite fandom.

 

And it's funny, cause they never talk about the fact that Naruto never told Hinata that he's in love with her, or that he completely friendzoned her. There is also this translation that has been modify "I like people like you" into "I like girls like you"...

It's just laugh, really... :no:

 

Now, about Naruto's love, I agree that his love in the beginning of the manga wasn't really mature.

It became only a few chapters later. I mean, you can tell the difference between the guy who doesn't care about the girl's feelings and than later understand everything about them. In the beginning he wanted just Sasuke to dissapear in front of Sakura, now, he just wants to get him back, cause he's concerned about Sakura's feelings (he didn't understand them in the beginning). He cares about her so much, that he's ready to sacrifice his own happiness for hers.

Because of that, he suffered a lot, Sai confirmed it later to Sakura, that Sasuke wasn't the only one who hurted him.

 

What do we have today? The mother of the hero who wants a girl who looks like her, and a father who sees his wife in Sakura.

I mean... :confused: come on, if you can't see the evidence in this means that you really don't want to see it come true.

It was the same story for Tobito. The fact that he revealed Kamui and that he got his eye technic on the bridge was enough to know whoes face was under the mask. But some people were lying to themself and were hoping that it would be someone else, Shisui, Izuna or wethever, cause they didn't want Obito as Tobi.

 

Today we have the same story with NaruSaku. Nobody wants to see this pairing becoming canon, so everyone (I say everyone cause the opposite fandom is so kittening big ^^) don't want to look at the evidence and hope that NaruHina or Hinata gets a new/another Naru-moment.

 

What I hope, is that this takes an end soon, cause reading certain posts like "Naruto never loved Sakura caus he never said he loved her" really makes me laugh. I became even arrogant because of that. -___-

 

And that's no good... ^__^

 

Onegai Kishi-sama, make an end of this pairing war, so that we can talk normally again in pairing threads.


Edited by Sojobo, 02 August 2013 - 02:25 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:18 PM

Its very insulting to Naruto's character to think he doesnt love sakura. its just blasphemy and desperation

You can say that again...I really get upset when I hear stuff like this...

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:22 PM

 

Lol! That post is from MF. And the above post was directed at me after I said Naruto loves Sakura.

 

My piece of advice is to ignore that guy. He is fanatic nh shiper/Hinata fan. And he is not above insulting you personaly and degrading you. Since he says he is like 30 or something. So we all pale to his knowlage. Ignore him, or do what I did. I posted this as a replay to the above post...

 

Oh god... I think I know exactly who you're talking about.

Yeah, Hanabi, I would ignore him. He thinks he's superior to everyone just because of his age. He thinks age is a logical method for measuring ones knowledge and intelligence /rolls eyes.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:37 PM

Oh god... I think I know exactly who you're talking about.
Yeah, Hanabi, I would ignore him. He thinks he's superior to everyone just because of his age. He thinks age is a logical method for measuring ones knowledge and intelligence /rolls eyes.

Age? What that got to do with logic and stuff? There are some that can be old as 40 yet they're not matured. Some young people can mature very early. Age got nothing to do with this. It's all about experiences.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:38 PM

What I hope, is that this takes an end soon, cause reading certain posts like "Naruto never loved Sakura caus he never said he loved her" really makes me laugh. I became even arrogant because of that. -___-

 

And that's no good... ^__^

 

Onegai Kishi-sama, make an end of this pairing war, so that we can talk normally again in pairing threads.

I really do think that when NS becomes canon, there will still be some who will downgrade this fact and all the other facts, and make up reasons on why it's no good writing and stuff. Like stating " logical " reasons which they're not.

 

Saying stuff like that will end up having a very hard time with oneself when it's canon.


Edited by T XD, 02 August 2013 - 02:40 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:47 PM

I really do think that when NS becomes canon, there will still be some who will downgrade this fact and all the other facts, and make up reasons on why it's no good writing and stuff. Like stating " logical " reasons which they're not.

In the beginning, yes, of course, it was the same for Obito.

But right now, I debate normally on Obito's thread. The people who downgraded it (the fact that Obito was Tobi) are gone, or moved on.

I think it will be the same for NaruSaku... I hope.

 

 

Age? What that got to do with logic and stuff? There are some that can be old as 40 yet they're not matured. Some young people can mature very early. Age got nothing to do with this. It's all about experiences.

A guy who reads a lot of manga has always a better view of the story, cause knows manga. You can't pretend to know manga when you only read Naruto, One Piece and Bleach for example.

I read a lot, I understand a lot Kishi's writing, even if sometimes, I don't undesrtand what he's doing.

But when you read manga like Slam Dunk or even Dragon Quest Dai No Bouken, you can understand a lot about pairing stuff in Naruto.

It's about knowledge... in my opinion. Age isn't an argument, I agree about that.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:52 PM

In the beginning, yes, of course, it was the same for Obito.

But right now, I debate normally on Obito's thread. The people who downgraded it (the fact that Obito was Tobi) are gone, or moved on.

I think it will be the same for NaruSaku... I hope.

Yeah, at the beginning. But cause it's about a pairing and not some guy who turned out to be another guy, the impact will be more hard and there will still be bashing for some good time.

 

But, eventually after a couple of years or so, it will calm down.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:58 PM

I do believe NS will go the same route as Obito's reveal: you should have see it coming.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:58 PM

Yeah, at the beginning. But cause it's about a pairing and not some guy who turned out to be another guy, the impact will be more hard and there will still be bashing for some good time.

 

But, eventually after a couple of years or so, it will calm down.

Maybe you're right.

But anyway, when the time will come, they can say what they want, fact will be in the manga.

Call it illogical or wethever, I don't care. xD

 

An interview of Kishimoto where he confirms that his intention about creating NS was already there in the beginning of the story would just make them quiet. ^^

Anyway, we all know wich pairing will be illogical at the moment right now. Kishi's developpement in the manga was obvious, changing it right now suddenly wouldn't be a good idea in my opinion.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:10 PM

Age? What that got to do with logic and stuff? There are some that can be old as 40 yet they're not matured. Some young people can mature very early. Age got nothing to do with this. It's all about experiences.

Man, I have no idea what that guy is thinking. You're right, age has nothing to do with anything when it comes to intellect or intelligence. I know teenagers who are more mature and smarter than some 20 year olds. The only thing age is good for is measuring how long you've been alive. That's it. Being older does not automatically make you smarter than someone who is younger than you. However being older may suggest that one has had a few more experiences than someone who is younger than them. 

 

I'm not worried about how NH/SS fans will react to NS becoming canon. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. However, this may sound weird, but I think I would actually want to comfort the NH and SS fans when NS becomes canon. It hurts when a ship that you were a firm supporter of sinks. One more thing, when 615 came out, the NH fans on tumblr that I came across were actually trying to comfort NS fans. They were saying things like, "Don't worry NaruSaku we know how it feels. You'll probably have a moment for your ship later." I was pleasantly surprised that the majority of the fanbase was being so supportive :). Regardless, there were still those who rubbed 615 in our faces, but the number of NH fans comforting NS outweighed them, on tumblr at least.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:29 PM

Seems that people are starting to hate even much Sakura because she still calls Naruto as "Naruto" while she still calls Sasuke as "Sasuke-kun"
 
I won't never understand why people are so obsessed with the -kun suffix :lol:


When in fact its a sign of closeness and affection towards naruto, and the kun a sign of distance. But oh well. The jaosnese fanbase is what matters.

I find it simultaneously hilarious and aggravating how so much can be made out of literally nothing.  Hinata isn't the one being shown concerned or worrying - it was Sakura who got Hinata to activate her Byakugan in the first place to check on things, and it is Sakura who is constantly asking and thinking about Naruto and Sasuke.  We haven't gotten a single panel of Hinata being worried, she is literally just conveying information neutrally to Sakura upon Sakura's request - her role is completely passive, while Sakura's role is active.
 
And I think that Lady GT makes an excellent point - that perhaps Sakura is so worried because she does not trust Sasuke completely.
 
As for NSFL3G's question - it's hard to say that anything would actually make me stop shipping NaruSaku after so long.  There's no way that Sakura or Naruto will suddenly loose the understanding they have of one another or the strong friendship and bond they already have.  I guess if Sakura stops feeling comfortable to act around herself like Naruto, trying to change herself just to please him, or Naruto treating her like crap, making Sakura cry and feel negative about herself - but I think NaruIno has a better chance of becoming canon than any of the above actually happening in the manga.


Exactly, why are people making things out of nothing? I was seriously reading this chapter and like, "hmm..nothing special happened..although since hinafa was shown informing sakura what she wanted to hear, lets see what the fans will twist this into.."

Im really confused about hinata and her constant spotlighting. Lately her and Sakura have been in the same panels a lot and its getting under my skin.


Why is it confusing? Sakura asked hinata what was going on since shes the only byakugan user in the area. If there was another byakugan user in the area and she chose hinata then you do have a reason to be confused or even worried. Hinata is just serving her purpose. If neji was alive then hinata woudnt be the one. I guarantee you that. Since neji id mkre significant than hinata and actually is mkre, MUCH more popular than hinata, he comes after sakura in terms of popularity. So hinata id basically doing what shes told.

 
Hinata seems to leech the spotlight off of sakura. Her presence is becoming solely for fanservice
 
This theory of sakura -> sasuke, Hinata ->Naruto in the last page of 641 is overthinking.


Can you mention one time sakuras spotlight has been leeched by hinata? None. She's doing what shes told. And I wouldnt call that fanservice since sakura, the heroine, is telling hinata to tell her whats going on since she cant see from that distance.

And yeah, I dunno why fans are making a big deal out of hinata and sasuke. Like, seriously? I know its crack but c'mon, this is got a different atmosphere than the other crack pairings..but I really dont care. Its not like I hang out anywhere other than here, and the japanese forums. But mostly the japanese forums. Like I've seen some kitten in the western fanbase, but this right here, is some kitten :banana:

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:31 PM

Does anybody have good proof that naruto love sakura?

 

there's this stubborn naruhina fan that says this.. "What gives you the right to say that? Naruto never said that he LOVES Sakura. Not even close. He only said that he likes her and he admitted that be has feelings for her but that is still light years away from love.

 

In a manga about not giving up the main protagonist will be with a girl who gave up on the man she loved just when he finally turned good. Yeah, right...

Naruto on the other hand CANNOT give up his love for Sakura because no Naruto's LOVE for Sakura was ever confirmed. And there was plenty of crushes that seem to no longer exist (Rock Lee's crush on Sakura) so Naruto giving up his CRUSH wouldn't be anything new or strange."

 

And I'm just like facepalm, isn't the "admit his feelings to Sai" clear enough..

MY GOD!

 

This is the dumbest statement I have ever seen. I'm sorry but anyone who says such words is either insulting you or has  absolutely zero reading comprehension skills. And what gives him the right to say that the feelings Naruto has for Sakura is just a crush and (I strongly assume he does think so) Hinata's feelings for Naruto are real? You can easily use the same argument against him but clearly will be of no use.

 

It's completely pointless trying to use logic so don't even bother trying. Even when the conclusion comes, such person will either curse the manga creator, vanish, or even have the audacity to say something like: Meh, although it happened it was never hinted before.


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#4920 Hanabi

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:43 PM

 

Lol! That post is from MF. And the above post was directed at me after I said Naruto loves Sakura.

 

My piece of advice is to ignore that guy. He is fanatic nh shiper/Hinata fan. And he is not above insulting you personaly and degrading you. Since he says he is like 30 or something. So we all pale to his knowlage. Ignore him, or do what I did. I posted this as a replay to the above post...

 

 

Yup I saw your reply to him, you totally pwned that guy imo haha.

 

Oh god... I think I know exactly who you're talking about.

Yeah, Hanabi, I would ignore him. He thinks he's superior to everyone just because of his age. He thinks age is a logical method for measuring ones knowledge and intelligence /rolls eyes.

 

That age thing reminds me of Chiyo / Konoha Advisors LOL, you know like how they will admit the things they did were wrong in the end.. despite the 'wisdom' accumulated from their years.. so like their old age meant nothing.. Forget it I don't know how to explain this Chiyo / Konoha Advisors link with that 30 year old nh fan properly :argh:


Edited by Hanabi, 02 August 2013 - 04:13 PM.

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