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[DrK]

Sasuke didn't know about the bench scene while on the other hand Naruto didn't know Sasuke give him CPR

I don't think it was necessarily the case that Naruto didn't know about Sakura (not Sasuke lol) giving him CPR, I just think they didn't care about it because he wasn't going to be with Sakura as he had already decided to ruin the story for the sake of western fans that weren't gonna buy the manga no matter what. But the point is that if he had ended up with Sakura then he, as in Kishi, not necessarily Naruto, would have made a bigger deal out of it.

 

I've said before that he only did it because it was on the drawing board and it must have been planned since a long time, so he didn't want to change it.

Edited by DrK, 26 May 2018 - 07:59 AM.

[Niky]

A bit off topic and I don’t know if this is the just place for this post but… Let’s go!

 

I made a list with some manga/anime ending with no match at the story’s flow.

• Uruseiyatsura (well done) – Lum was a secondary character (like Shampoo) but from the second episode of the manga (where she doesn’t show up) the fandom requests her permanent presence.
• Tongareboshi no Memol (horribly done) – Into the final show’s final episodes the series’ nasty girl turns good (BUT they say that she was just jealous of the female protagonist) and steals the male protagonist (BUT they say that he loved the nasty girl all along and the girl protagonist thought of him only as a friend…)
• Hikari no Densetsu (manga and anime end differently) – Into the manga the girl picks a guy, into the anime another boy.
• Digimon – no comment.
• Naruto – no comment.
• Ichigo 100% (made in a passable way) – The story’s ending is different from the initial plan (for the polls results for the best girl too)… But it’s changed in progress and, ABOVE ALL, the author doesn’t trash her readers' intelligence.
• Bleach (It can leave a bad taste but it’s well done) – The two main female protagonists are equally present for the whole story.
• Harry Potter (made wrong) – I was a Ron/Hermione shipper but their (and Harry/Ginny) love’s story evolution was soooo shallow…
• Ojamajo Doremi (manga and anime end differently) – In the anime the Flat 4 are quickly tossed aside, into the manga are the girls protagonists’ SOULMATES!!!
• Macross Frontier (anime and movies end differently) – Ranka was the female protagonist but Sheryl’s great popularity (and the anime’s second director preference because he said he saw in her his own wife) changed the ending (unclear in the anime, with Sheryl’s winning in the movies). And one thing to notice is that in the movies several Ranka and Sheryl’s scenes are reversed.
• Masamune-kun no revenge (horribly done) – Into the THREE FINAL EPISODES the winning girl is abruptly changed and he winner is the boobed maid (because the Japanese polls said her was the best girl)!!! Basically, think of a Ranma who, into three final episodes, tell you that he loved Shampoo all along and you’ll understand!
• Inugami-san to Sarutobi-kun wa Naka ga Warui (horribly done) – Same. Into the THREE FINAL EPISODES the winning girl is abruptly changed and he winner is the boobed maid… And it’s not a joke!!
• Uchu Senshi Baldios (confused but made in an interesting way) – This is an old anime, with three main female protagonists. The studio was very unsure on the female winner (the thing to notice is that the female fandom loved the girl casted aside but the studio stayed firm on its choice) but, at the end, picked the (VERY) hate/love and true revenge relationship!!   I was fascinated with this story as a kid. Unfortunately, it’s a tragedy!!
• Negima!! – I don’t know what to say on this… - The author, at the end, talk, on the part of the male protagonist, of a though decision and true love… I think he picked his choice out of the hat (literally).

Finally, I am grateful to God for Warau Kanoko-Sama and Koi Dano Ai Dano, where the mangaka (she says no, but I think she realized the fandom turn of preference), when the male protagonist was overthrown from another character with an escalating popularity, put an end at her story in a few chapters… BUT in the way SHE wanted!!

 

And you? Do you remember anything like this too?

Edited by Niky, 26 May 2018 - 12:33 PM.

[Yyubie]

I don't think it was necessarily the case that Naruto didn't know about Sakura (not Sasuke lol) giving him CPR, I just think they didn't care about it because he wasn't going to be with Sakura as he had already decided to ruin the story for the sake of western fans that weren't gonna buy the manga no matter what. But the point is that if he had ended up with Sakura then he, as in Kishi, not necessarily Naruto, would have made a bigger deal out of it.

 

I've said before that he only did it because it was on the drawing board and it must have been planned since a long time, so he didn't want to change it.

Oh my god i'm in hurry and half asleep i didn't double check what i wrote , damn i feel so stupid. I replace sakura with sasuke xD , even my unconscious mind maybe know better that sasuke is naruto true love xD. Sorry for the mistake.

 

That aside , what kind of ending that does not tie any lose ends and bring all secret to the light ? , that's bad writing.

Edited by Yyubie, 26 May 2018 - 10:41 AM.

[jak123]

A bit off topic and I don’t know if this is the just place for this post but… Let’s go!

 

I made a list with some manga/anime ending with no match at the story’s flow.

• Uruseiyatsura (well done) – Lum was a secondary character (like Shampoo) but from the second episode of the manga (where she doesn’t show up) the fandom requests her permanent presence.
• Tongareboshi no Memol (horribly done) – Into the final show’s final episodes the series’ nasty girl turns good (BUT they say that she was just jealous of the female protagonist) and steals the male protagonist (BUT they say that he loved the nasty girl all along and the girl protagonist thought of him only as a friend…)
• Hikari no Densetsu (manga and anime end differently) – Into the manga the girl picks a guy, into the anime another boy.
• Digimon – no comment.
• Naruto – no comment.
• Ichigo 100% (made in a passable way) – The story’s ending is different from the initial plan (for the polls results for the best girl too)… But it’s changed in progress and, ABOVE ALL, the author doesn’t trash her readers' intelligence.
• Bleach (It can leave a bad taste but it’s well done) – The two main female protagonists are equally present for the whole story.
• Harry Potter (made wrong) – I was a Ron/Hermione shipper but their (and Harry/Ginny) love’s story evolution was soooo shallow…
• Ojamajo Doremi (manga and anime end differently) – In the anime the Flat 4 are quickly tossed aside, into the manga are the girls protagonists’ SOULMATES!!!
• Macross Frontier (anime and movies end differently) – Ranka was the female protagonist but Sheryl’s great popularity (and the anime’s second director preference because he said he saw in her his own wife) changed the ending (unclear in the anime, with Sheryl’s winning in the movies). And one thing to notice is that in the movies several Ranka and Sheryl’s scenes are reversed.
• Masamune-kun no revenge (horribly done) – Into the THREE FINAL EPISODES the winning girl is abruptly changed and he winner is the boobed maid (because the Japanese polls said her was the best girl)!!! Basically, think of a Ranma who, into three final episodes, tell you that he loved Shampoo all along and you’ll understand!
• Inugami-san to Sarutobi-kun wa Naka ga Warui (horribly done) – Same. Into the THREE FINAL EPISODES the winning girl is abruptly changed and he winner is the boobed maid… And it’s not a joke!!
• Uchu Senshi Baldios (confused but made in an interesting way) – This is an old anime, with three main female protagonists. The studio was very unsure on the female winner (the thing to notice is that the female fandom loved the girl casted aside but the studio stayed firm on its choice) but, at the end, picked the (VERY) hate/love and true revenge relationship!!   I was fascinated with this story as a kid. Unfortunately, it’s a tragedy!!
• Negima!! – I don’t know what to say on this… - The author, at the end, talk, on the part of the male protagonist, of a though decision and true love… I think he picked his choice out of the hat (literally).

Finally, I am grateful to God for Warau Kanoko-Sama and Koi Dano Ai Dano, where the mangaka (she says no, but I think she realized the fandom turn of preference), when the male protagonist was overthrown from another character with an escalating popularity, put an end at her story in a few chapters… BUT in the way SHE wanted!!

 

And you? Do you remember anything like this too?

 

Bleach - I'm gonna disagree. Rukia became a useless side character after the Soul Society arc. While Orihime was prominent enough so she wasn't another Hinata, Ichigo had WAY better chemistry with Rukia while Rukia had NONE with Renji. 

Harry Potter - Both Hermione/Ron and Harry/Ginny came out of nowhere because Rowling got lazy. She even admit it she originally planned Harry/Hermione which makes sense because throughout the story, it build the 2 up. They were supposed to realize their feelings for each other when they are alone after Ron abandons them in the 7th book.

Macross Frontier - Eh, I always thought both girls were the female lead. One just as prominent as the other.

 

Masamune-kun no revenge - That ending pissed me off so much because it came out of nowhere. Yeah, he had become close to the maid girl because she was helping him, but he was falling for Aki the entire time while trying to get "revenge" on her. 

[Niky]

 

Bleach - I'm gonna disagree. Rukia became a useless side character after the Soul Society arc. While Orihime was prominent enough so she wasn't another Hinata, Ichigo had WAY better chemistry with Rukia while Rukia had NONE with Renji. 

Harry Potter - Both Hermione/Ron and Harry/Ginny came out of nowhere because Rowling got lazy. She even admit it she originally planned Harry/Hermione which makes sense because throughout the story, it build the 2 up. They were supposed to realize their feelings for each other when they are alone after Ron abandons them in the 7th book.

Macross Frontier - Eh, I always thought both girls were the female lead. One just as prominent as the other.

 

Masamune-kun no revenge - That ending pissed me off so much because it came out of nowhere. Yeah, he had become close to the maid girl because she was helping him, but he was falling for Aki the entire time while trying to get "revenge" on her.

 

Sorry, on these I disagree:

 

• Bleach - Rukia, I admit, was more interesting (funny, cute, badass) than Orihime. I liked her (more than Orihime, actually)!

BUT, in the story's flow, the two girl are equals. I have not problems with any of them.

And Renji loved Rukia VVVVVERY more than Ichigo loved her. Moreover, Ichigo, more than chemistry, never showed feeling of true love for someone.

I loved Rukia. For her I'll take a man what only think about her and her wellness, and that is Renji. That's the way I see it.

 

• Harry Potter - I keep reading statements like: "Hermione/Ron and Harry/Ginny (but I can admit that Ginny's and Ron character evolved in a horrible way - blame the Harry Hero Curse here) came out of nowhere", "Rowling even admit it she originally planned Harry/Hermione" etc. etc...

Sorry, it's not.

Rowling says a lot of things.

For instance, I assure you, she said (I read her interview at the time of the saga's end) that the Harry/Hermione shipper's views were 'delusional'!

I remember very well, I don't lie. Rowling is not better than Kishimoto.

She is losing popularity, her new books don't sell very well and she needs money so she'll say: Silente is gay, Hermione is black, H/H was a thing, the 'Cursed Child' is canon and more and more for increasing sales. Please, don't take her words for good.

 

On Macross Frontier and Masamune I fully agree with you! For the second one, only the 'Omega' Aki's haters are pleased with it!!

Edited by Niky, 26 May 2018 - 01:27 PM.

[jak123]

 

Sorry, on these I disagree:

 

• Bleach - Rukia, I admit, was more interesting (funny, cute, badass) than Orihime. I liked her (more than Orihime, actually)!

BUT, in the story's flow, the two girl are equals. I have not problems with any of them.

And Renji loved Rukia VVVVVERY more than Ichigo loved her. Moreover, Ichigo, more than chemistry, never showed feeling of true love for someone.

I loved Rukia. For her I'll take a man what only think about her and her wellness, and that is Renji. That's the way I see it.

 

• Harry Potter - I keep reading statements like: "Hermione/Ron and Harry/Ginny (but I can admit that Ginny's and Ron character evolved in a horrible way - blame the Harry Hero Curse here) came out of nowhere", "Rowling even admit it she originally planned Harry/Hermione" etc. etc...

Sorry, it's not.

Rowling says a lot of things.

For instance, I assure you, she said (I read her interview at the time of the saga's end) that the Harry/Hermione shipper's views were 'delusional'!

I remember very well, I don't lie. Rowling is not better than Kishimoto.

She is losing popularity, her new books don't sell very well and she needs money so she'll say: Silente is gay, Hermione is black, H/H was a thing, the 'Cursed Child' is canon and more and more for increasing sales. Please, don't take her words for good.

 

On Macross Frontier and Masamune I fully agree with you! For the second one, only the 'Omega' Aki's haters are pleased with it!!

 

A recent article from last year, Rowling admitted that her real ending was going to be Harry/Hermione and she got lazy.

[DrK]

Oh my god i'm in hurry and half asleep i didn't double check what i wrote , damn i feel so stupid. I replace sakura with sasuke xD , even my unconscious mind maybe know better that sasuke is naruto true love xD. Sorry for the mistake.

It actually would have been awesome if Sasuke gave him CPR instead. It would have justified everything Naruto did. And it was horrible to have Sakura do that given what he wrote afterwards.

[jak123]

It actually would have been awesome if Sasuke gave him CPR instead. It would have justified everything Naruto did. And it was horrible to have Sakura do that given what he wrote afterwards.

Considering how she held Naruto's hear to save him, while Sasuke stabbed hers so she doesn't get in his way. It really says something.

[Niky]

 

A recent article from last year, Rowling admitted that her real ending was going to be Harry/Hermione and she got lazy.

 

So, she has changed version... It just makes you realize how trustworthy she is.

[DrK]

Considering how she held Naruto's hear to save him, while Sasuke stabbed hers so she doesn't get in his way. It really says something.

It says something horrible about Sakura, if doing that had such little impact on her to the point that she didn't even mention Naruto in her emotional plea. So Sakura is so governed by her emotions to the point that she can't stop herself from throwing herself at someone who doesn't care for her and tries to kill her, but she's also emotionally dead.

[Niky]

It says something horrible about Sakura, if doing that had such little impact on her to the point that she didn't even mention Naruto in her emotional plea. So Sakura is so governed by her emotions to the point that she can't stop herself from throwing herself at someone who doesn't care for her and tries to kill her, but she's also emotionally dead.

 

I don't think...

If the Last is canon (which it is) Naruto faked his love for her for rivalry with Sasuke, hence stating that her harsh words in the third chapter were true... She was right all along!!.

So, at the end, Sakura, by understanding that, has been focused on her feelings for Sasuke. That was only a way to give a sense to her existence. Very sad, indeed.

[jak123]

 

I don't think...

If the Last is canon (which it is) Naruto faked his love for her for rivalry with Sasuke, hence stating that her harsh words in the third chapter were true... She was right all along!!.

So, at the end, Sakura, by understanding that, has been focused on her feelings for Sasuke. That was only a way to give a sense to her existence. Very sad, indeed.

In the Last, it felt like she was making up excuses to push Naruto away.

Edited by jak123, 26 May 2018 - 02:39 PM.

[DrK]

 

I don't think...

If the Last is canon (which it is) Naruto faked his love for her for rivalry with Sasuke, hence stating that her harsh words in the third chapter were true... She was right all along!!.

So, at the end, Sakura, by understanding that, has been focused on her feelings for Sasuke. That was only a way to give a sense to her existence. Very sad, indeed.

How does Sakura magically know about that retcon before it even happened, though?

[Niky]

In the Last, it felt like she was making up excuses to push Naruto away.

 

Yeah, but all the Hinata/Naruto 'love' scenes, his petty grudge for the Hinatata's 'betrayal' and his devil may care attitude for Sakura's wellness when she cured him... what do you call them?

Do you see some interest and care from him to Sakura?

 

 

How does Sakura magically know about that retcon before it even happened, though?

 

Sorry, but this makes sense... like the entire Naruto's manga makes sense.

[jak123]

 

Yeah, but all the Hinata/Naruto 'love' scenes, his petty grudge for the Hinatata's 'betrayal' and his devil may care attitude for Sakura's wellness when she cured him... what do you call them?

Do you see some interest and care from him to Sakura?

 

 

 

Sorry, but this makes sense... like the entire Naruto's manga makes sense.

Well Naruto's personality didn't make sense in The Last anyway. It still felt like Sakura was trying to purposefully push him away, but not because she didn't like him.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

And just to enhance this creepy imagery, just play this theme music:

 

Even the combined might of Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees, Freddy Krueger, and Pinhead would be nothing to this.
 

 

A bit off topic and I don’t know if this is the just place for this post but… Let’s go!

 

I made a list with some manga/anime ending with no match at the story’s flow.

• Uruseiyatsura (well done) – Lum was a secondary character (like Shampoo) but from the second episode of the manga (where she doesn’t show up) the fandom requests her permanent presence.
• Tongareboshi no Memol (horribly done) – Into the final show’s final episodes the series’ nasty girl turns good (BUT they say that she was just jealous of the female protagonist) and steals the male protagonist (BUT they say that he loved the nasty girl all along and the girl protagonist thought of him only as a friend…)
• Hikari no Densetsu (manga and anime end differently) – Into the manga the girl picks a guy, into the anime another boy.
• Digimon – no comment.
• Naruto – no comment.
• Ichigo 100% (made in a passable way) – The story’s ending is different from the initial plan (for the polls results for the best girl too)… But it’s changed in progress and, ABOVE ALL, the author doesn’t trash her readers' intelligence.
• Bleach (It can leave a bad taste but it’s well done) – The two main female protagonists are equally present for the whole story.
• Harry Potter (made wrong) – I was a Ron/Hermione shipper but their (and Harry/Ginny) love’s story evolution was soooo shallow…
• Ojamajo Doremi (manga and anime end differently) – In the anime the Flat 4 are quickly tossed aside, into the manga are the girls protagonists’ SOULMATES!!!
• Macross Frontier (anime and movies end differently) – Ranka was the female protagonist but Sheryl’s great popularity (and the anime’s second director preference because he said he saw in her his own wife) changed the ending (unclear in the anime, with Sheryl’s winning in the movies). And one thing to notice is that in the movies several Ranka and Sheryl’s scenes are reversed.
• Masamune-kun no revenge (horribly done) – Into the THREE FINAL EPISODES the winning girl is abruptly changed and he winner is the boobed maid (because the Japanese polls said her was the best girl)!!! Basically, think of a Ranma who, into three final episodes, tell you that he loved Shampoo all along and you’ll understand!
• Inugami-san to Sarutobi-kun wa Naka ga Warui (horribly done) – Same. Into the THREE FINAL EPISODES the winning girl is abruptly changed and he winner is the boobed maid… And it’s not a joke!!
• Uchu Senshi Baldios (confused but made in an interesting way) – This is an old anime, with three main female protagonists. The studio was very unsure on the female winner (the thing to notice is that the female fandom loved the girl casted aside but the studio stayed firm on its choice) but, at the end, picked the (VERY) hate/love and true revenge relationship!!   I was fascinated with this story as a kid. Unfortunately, it’s a tragedy!!
• Negima!! – I don’t know what to say on this… - The author, at the end, talk, on the part of the male protagonist, of a though decision and true love… I think he picked his choice out of the hat (literally).

Finally, I am grateful to God for Warau Kanoko-Sama and Koi Dano Ai Dano, where the mangaka (she says no, but I think she realized the fandom turn of preference), when the male protagonist was overthrown from another character with an escalating popularity, put an end at her story in a few chapters… BUT in the way SHE wanted!!

 

And you? Do you remember anything like this too?

And how much does it say that, in UQ Holder! (Negima! sequel), it gets shown that in the absolute BEST timeline, where everyone would be at their happiest, Negi would have ended up with CHISAME? Not Asuna, not Nodoka, but CHISAME - the biggest tsundere, even more so than Asuna herself, lol.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

US animation and TV can be like that. Look at stuff like How I Met Your Mother, or The Legend of Korra in terms of how they handled romance in the end. They just shoehorn in anything that would stick or even just something to make them look like they're progressive for the creators and writers to avoid persecution for their failings, but they only make things worse for themselves and their fandoms because of their actions. Naruto is the same way thanks in part to what Studio Pierrot did.

[jak123]

US animation and TV can be like that. Look at stuff like How I Met Your Mother, or The Legend of Korra in terms of how they handled romance in the end. They just shoehorn in anything that would stick or even just something to make them look like they're progressive for the creators and writers to avoid persecution for their failings, but they only make things worse for themselves and their fandoms because of their actions. Naruto is the same way thanks in part to what Studio Pierrot did.

Yeah, both of those series were terrible. How I met Your Mother could have worked if they had just made Robin the mother. At least it was so badly received, they did an alternate ending where the Mother survived. Wish Naruto would do that....

As for Korra, I thought it was a subpar series overall and the original Avatar was infinitely better. And I'm not trying to start anything and I have nothing against gay people, but the sudden romantic relationship between Korra and Asami felt super hamfisted in my opinion. Their relationship only ever came off as best friends to me. I guess it annoyed me more because I overall didn't like Korra as a character.

[Yyubie]

Even the combined might of Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees, Freddy Krueger, and Pinhead would be nothing to this.
 

 

And how much does it say that, in UQ Holder! (Negima! sequel), it gets shown that in the absolute BEST timeline, where everyone would be at their happiest, Negi would have ended up with CHISAME? Not Asuna, not Nodoka, but CHISAME - the biggest tsundere, even more so than Asuna herself, lol.

Wow i thought for sure Negi would get harem ending. I think we are entering a new era where main protagonist end up with main heroine is starting to become old fashion and too generic and too predictable in the eyes of some people , so they starting to make main protagonist end up with second girl or at least not with the main heroine.

Edited by Yyubie, 26 May 2018 - 07:32 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

As for Korra, I thought it was a subpar series overall and the original Avatar was infinitely better. And I'm not trying to start anything and I have nothing against gay people, but the sudden romantic relationship between Korra and Asami felt super hamfisted in my opinion. Their relationship only ever came off as best friends to me. I guess it annoyed me more because I overall didn't like Korra as a character.

 

Exactly, I don't see how a romance for them coulda worked out, Jak. It basically is just done by Bryke to try to win brownie points with people without thinking of actual development. And those guys even said they felt Aang and Katara were "forced" while they had one thing Korra and Asami don't have, and that's ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE ROMANCE DEPARTMENT.

It's why I wanted to bring that up when mentioning them on top of anime that's done this kind of stuff like Naruto has.