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[DrK]

But James the Sopranos ending is a resolution based on what you said. I can't accept that. 

[Kagomaru]

Wait hang on didn't Romeo and Juliet end with the families finally putting aside their differences when they both died, because I remember being taught that in year 10?

I doesn't surprise me as most stories tend to have some form of the arthours life or opinions in the context of their work intentional or unintentional. However the problem with boruto's father issues is that it doesn't really fit into the narrative of naruto as in order for it to work has sabotage naruto's character

Well, they did officially agree to a peace, but the possibility that's often speculated is that the feud may be re-ignited because Montague and Capulet are seemingly making jabs at one another even after their children's demise in the last act.  One interpretation is that this is a sign of a budding friendship and is just innocuous teasing between two men, but when you recall how petty and arrogant both of the characters are, it could also be seen as the beginning of another feud. Though, going by the intended context, it's the former.

 

On topic: What Kodachi and Ikemoto are doing is inserting too much of themselves into the characters. Yes, Kishimoto may have done the same with Naruto by basing the character off his own life experiences and personality(as do most authors),  but not to the extent that it was so blatantly autobiographical that  Naruto appeared as a mere proxy of Masashi's without his own voice, motivations and goals. Most professional writers know where to make that distinction and draw the proverbial line, but unfortunately, Ikemoto and Kodachi are clearly using Boruto and Sarada as their literary mouthpieces to expound upon their life stories.

Edited by Kagomaru, 25 May 2018 - 10:32 PM.

[Yyubie]

[jak123]

Not a bad cosplay.

[Phantom_999]

those white eyes are still creepy though if you ask me

 

But you were....otherwise why bring Romeo and Juliet in this discussion at all. Purpose dictate action.

 

1st bold: It does. Again, just because it is not what we wanted or what we expected does not mean it is not a resolution. To them, to the writers writing this story, it is a resolution. Just like how JK Rowling says that the Harry Potter and the Cursed Child is canon even though the fans want to deny it being in said canon since it plays hell with continuity. To the writers, we got a resolution. Why did Sakura confess to Naruto? To lie to him. To manipulate him. That is the story they keep telling us. Does it make sense? No. Does it ruin the story? Yes. Do the fans accept it? Yes and no for the most part, but it is the resolution THEY wanted. It is the resolution that THEY wanted to convery. To them, that plot point is resolved even if to us it is not. It does not matter what we the fans think because if it was we would not be in this mness in the first place. If it was really up to us, the story would be 100 times better with actual motive.

 

The resolution is anti-climatic, but it is still a resolution. "Everything just seemed to worked itself out."

 

If you really want to take this to the next step, in Romeo and Juliet the families never let go of their grudges. That plot element never got a real resolution and it is assume that the bitter rivalry persisted till the end of days. Again, this is what could constitute it being a tragedy. No matter how bad Romeo and Juliet wanted to resolve or get away from the petty BS their parents had....nothing stopped it. They forever will hate each other. No resolution. No end to it. So if you want to talk about not having a resolution...then Romeo and Juliet is full of them if you want to break it all down. What happened to Rosaline? What happened to Paris? What happened to several characters? Nothing, we don't know. The story just stops at Romeo and Juliet's deaths.

 

2nd: Yes, I have seen couples get together for lesser reasons than true love. Some get married because they had kids together and that is the ONLY reason. My cousin is a drug addict and got married to a girl only because she got pregnant with his kid. I tried to talk to him about leaving her and starting a new life, but he continues to stay using the kids as an excuse. Basically, the wife is using the kid as a bargaining chip. "Either you stayed married to me or you will never see your kid again." You are probably asking why doesn;t he just file for appeal or something? Well, because he is also a convicted fellon. Drug dealing and such.

 

How many arranged marriages still exist in this world? How many marriages occur in history where it was more of a political move than a true love one? "Let me marry your daughter and I will give you military aid."

 

Look up Pope Clement VII and his neice Catherine de'Medici. He married her off to Henry, King of France, to have both money, power, and military protection. It was never a purpose of love, but rather a purpose of political gain. I could argue this is more or less what happened between Naruto and Hinata. Married off for political power derthe guise of true love. Having a son in law as the Hokage seems like a very profitable endeavor. Especially how corrupt it can be used for seeing how Naruto is so corrupt that he even lets Orochimaru away with stuff.

 

So yes, I know of a quite of few examples where marriage or a couple getting together was not of love, but of selfish gain.

 

Got it. Boruto is one huge fanfiction by a guy who uses Bolt as a self insert.

 

UH It could be only the version of the play I was reading in high school but I recall that they did. At the end at least, after Prince Escalus calls them out on their BS and and stated that it was their refusal to stop hating each other that got members of both of their families killed. Again though that could only be the version I was reading so correct me if I'm wrong

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 June 2018 - 11:20 PM.

[Kagomaru]

And just to enhance this creepy imagery, just play this theme music:

 

[Nostradamus]

Thank you, I actually needed some new nightmares.

[DrK]

I loved her all along without realizing it.

[jak123]

I loved her all along without realizing it.

If you have to be genjutsu'd to realize you have loved a woman you have barely interacted with, then that genjutsu is doing more than just giving you realization. It's basically brainwashing you.

[hisaberpie]

If you have to be genjutsu'd to realize you have loved a woman you have barely interacted with, then that genjutsu is doing more than just giving you realization. It's basically brainwashing you.

Imagine if that genjutsu showed naruto all the times sakura worried for him and cared for him. He'd end up loving her even more.
None of hinatas moments can ever compare to the ones sakura had.

[Illnevergiveup3]

would have nice if Kishi showed that Naruto's love for Sakura-Chan is so strong, that not even the Genjutsu can convince him otherwise.

[DrK]

Imagine if that genjutsu showed naruto all the times sakura worried for him and cared for him. He'd end up loving her even more.
None of hinatas moments can ever compare to the ones sakura had.

Yeah, Naruto never knew that Sakura ran towards him when he was in mini kyuubi mode. He just thought he went after her on his own. And he never knew that Sakura wanted to raise her hand during the chunin exams to protect his dream either.

 

And he never will know.

[jak123]

would have nice if Kishi showed that Naruto's love for Sakura-Chan is so strong, that not even the Genjutsu can convince him otherwise.

It was more SP than Kishi. Naruto would have actually not been swayed. Also in the Last, it felt like Sakura was letting him go like she thought she wasn't good enough for him or something. 

[jak123]

Yeah, Naruto never knew that Sakura ran towards him when he was in mini kyuubi mode. He just thought he went after her on his own. And he never knew that Sakura wanted to raise her hand during the chunin exams to protect his dream either.

 

And he never will know.

Did she ever find out that her favorite moment with Sasuke was actually Naruto? I don't remember.

[DrK]

Did she ever find out that her favorite moment with Sasuke was actually Naruto? I don't remember.

Uh, no? Trust me, you would have remembered if that had happened.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Did she ever find out that her favorite moment with Sasuke was actually Naruto? I don't remember.

she wouldn't be with Sasuke right now if she found that out. It had to be conveniently forgotten.

[jak123]

Uh, no? Trust me, you would have remembered if that had happened.

 

she wouldn't be with Sasuke right now if she found that out. It had to be conveniently forgotten.

 

Just shows how much of an utter travesty Sakura's relationship with Sasuke is. 

[Kagomaru]

It was more SP than Kishi. Naruto would have actually not been swayed. Also in the Last, it felt like Sakura was letting him go like she thought she wasn't good enough for him or something. 

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who came to this conclusion based on her dialogue and attitude. It seemed like she was deliberately pushing Naruto to date Hinata because she assumed that she would make him happier than Sakura ever could.  

Edited by Kagomaru, 26 May 2018 - 02:51 AM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who came to this conclusion based on her dialogue and attitude. It seemed like she was deliberately pushing Naruto to date Hinata because she assumed that she would make him happier than Sakura ever could.  

hence. The fake smile she gave during their wedding.

[Yyubie]

Imagine if that genjutsu showed naruto all the times sakura worried for him and cared for him. He'd end up loving her even more.
None of hinatas moments can ever compare to the ones sakura had.

Sakura didn't know about the bench scene while on the other hand Naruto didn't know Sakura give him CPR while holding and pumping his heart directly with her hand to keep his dream alive. Both of them didn't know this , but strangely Sakura knows that Hinata love Naruto after she knock unconscious by Pein and Naruto being force to know EVERYTHING Hinata has done for him in the past using Genjutsu .... this is the reason why NH makes me sick. Maybe they know that Hinata can't compete with Sakura equally (severe lack of development) that's why they resort to ..... this disgusting way to make it happen.

 

Everyone must know every good deed Hinata has done .... why???

But let's forget about the bench scene and don't let Naruto knows who gave him CPR ....

What a lovely ending ...

Edited by Yyubie, 26 May 2018 - 10:36 AM.