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#4861 redragon88

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:02 PM

^ I have a little wishful thinking that maybe Sakura could fight along side Naruto against Madara while the rest of the alliance provides the necessary backup so that the two aren't overwhelmed.

If Mito was truly there during the fight of Hashirama and Madara it would be pretty interesting that if Madara ends up fighting against Naruto and Sakura that he could flashback to Hashirama and Mito fighting him off. It would be another parallel fanservice from Kishi. It would be Naruto and Sakura (the pair of the current generation) finishing the long lasting battle that Hashirama and Mito (the pair of the first generation) started so many decades ago against Madara, the original enemy of Konoha. And thus ending his dark influence once and for all. A little dramatic, I know, but crazier things have happened.

Of course this is just my personal hope. But hey, we live in a world we're the Tobito theory was proven true so anything can happen. tongue.gif

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:05 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Oct 6 2012, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ I have a little wishful thinking that maybe Sakura could fight along side Naruto against Madara while the rest of the alliance provides the necessary backup so that the two aren't overwhelmed.

If Mito was truly there during the fight of Hashirama and Madara it would be pretty interesting that if Madara ends up fighting against Naruto and Sakura that he could flashback to Hashirama and Mito fighting him off. It would be another parallel fanservice from Kishi. It would be Naruto and Sakura (the pair of the current generation) finishing the long lasting battle that Hashirama and Mito (the pair of the first generation) started so many decades ago against Madara, the original enemy of Konoha. And thus ending his dark influence once and for all. A little dramatic, I know, but crazier things have happened.

Of course this is just my personal hope. But hey, we live in a world we're the Tobito theory was proven true so anything can happen. tongue.gif

I would love to see this happen! Naruto and Sakua fighting side by side would be a dream come true - them being paralleled in such an instance to Hashirama and Mito would just be icing on the cake.

It does seem improbable at first, but then I remember about Kakashi talking about how well they worked together at the beginning of part two, the importance of team work and not doing everything by yourself, and the fact that Kishi gave us a fight where Sakura fought with Naruto (sort of) and were paralleled to another canon couple (MinaKushi) in the movie that he made.

So I'd say that the theory/hope you laid out isn't all that far fetched if you think about it. tongue.gif
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Oct 5 2012, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait, why does Gai have to be the sacrificing goat to all of this? Is it because he is the last good connection to Kakashi, so him dying would stir some pretty deep stuff?

8th Gate. That is all.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:09 AM

QUOTE (HalfStarStudios @ Oct 6 2012, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
8th Gate. That is all.

Why he would use the 8th Gate, between gai and kakashi, kakashi is the one who have more chances to die because we already know everything about him, after the meeting with obito he's development is done, if he dies or will be madara or sasuke wich i think it will be sasuke.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:38 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Oct 6 2012, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Mito definitely sealed Kurama, but its not stated that she was actually there and fighting with Madara - that part is sort of implied, since its hard to see that Hashirama would have been able to restrain the Kurama for very long, or at the very least, go anywhere with him after restraining him; also, if he got control of Kurama in the middle of the battle, I can't Madara just sitting idly by while he went to go take Kurama to Mito, or for Mito to come there to seal him.

So yeah, even though it doesn't outright state it, it seems the most logical conclusion that Mito was at the battle of Madara and Hashirama.


I find it more probable that since it has been established that Hashirama could control the Tailed Beasts (supposedly having multiple Tailed Beast under his control at once) that he fought Madara one-on-one and wrestled control of Kurama away form Madara and restrained it while he able to drive off Madara and after the battle Kurama was starting to break free from his restraints and from Hashirama's control and so Mito sealed Kurama inside herself.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:06 AM

thankyou paptal. i knew that mito was there. but i couldnot remember . i think its not possible for mito to go there or harashraima to come to mito with madara and kurama. so logic definitly says that mito was there. and red dragon we think alot like the same. i told that before. i personally want naruto and sakura to take out madara. that would be some narusaku action.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:29 AM

QUOTE (KnS @ Oct 7 2012, 02:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to temporarily switch the topic back to Kakashi, but I wanted to reply to Codus and didn't get it done before pages of bad spoilers and troll watch got posted.


I don't think it's obnoxious to have a different opinion. However, I do want to answer the charge that my reasoning is weak. smile.gif

First of all, I agreed with your reasoning and said so. You covered a lot of really good elements. I simply added the dimension that Kakashi and Shizune shared similar death/resurrection experiences to your list of elements -- not as a replacement of it.

In my opinion Shizune rises way above "a random person that died during the Pain invasion" precisely because she is not random. She's an established character in the story, one with whom Kakashi has worked and interacted frequently in a professional capacity. They know each other, they are both very close to and knowledgeable about Konoha's current command structure, both are in high-level positions and implicitly trusted by Tsunade, and both have trained and influenced the story's hero and heroine. Point being, they have a lot in common and a lot of shared experience.

With respect to their deaths during the Pain invasion, specifically, what caught my attention was the fact that Shizune was essentially captured and interrogated by the Human Path -- it read her mind, forcing her to give up information including Naruto's location -- and then tore out her soul. It's similar (only much worse) to what happened to Rin during the Kannabi Bridge mission. It seemed to me that Kakashi would be sensitive to that on a number of levels, and that it might draw him more to Shizune than a random victim of Pain's. Not 1:1 emotional transference, exactly, but maybe some blurring of the lines, opening the door to second chances -- or at least the chance for Kakashi to make a different emotional choice. wink.gif

I'll stand by what I said. I think being killed by the same enemy and having your souls leave your bodies only to be returned by the same power seems like a pretty compelling bond between two people who already have a lot in common.



It's difficult for me to understand how you can think shipping Kakashi with Shizune because of their shared death/resurrection experience is weak, but shipping him with a one-episode filler girl isn't? Talk about a random hook up....

I know this may sound funny considering I ship Gaara/Matsuri, but I generally don't care for shipping canon characters with fillers -- especially if the filler character isn't a shinobi. Hanare was supposed to be some sort of spy, wasn't she? So that's something, at least. But people ship Kakashi with Ayame too. It's just personal opinion, but I can't imagine Kakashi having a deep, meaningful, understanding relationship between equals with a ramen slinger. Just... no.


Ah, I see.

As for Hanare, what I'm hoping for is the same scenario Kishi did with Matsuri. At first, she was just a background character in the manga, but the anime expanded on her character before Shippuden came out. And then, Kishi released the databooks and made her canon.

This time, it's reversed. Hanare appears first in the anime, but she later appears in the manga. Some people who hasn't seen the episode may be confused with her appearance and how she seems close to Kakashi, but for those who's seen the episode would know who she is. This is probably a problem. Unless Kishi adds her short backstory later.....

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:12 AM

hey guys i havent seen that episode . who is hanare.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:02 AM

QUOTE (narulsaku @ Oct 6 2012, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hey guys i havent seen that episode . who is hanare.

She's just a filler character from episode #191. I think it's funny that she and Kakashi "accidentally" kissed, although he still had his mask on, lol. If you're interested, you can read about her here. smile.gif


Edited by KnS, 07 October 2012 - 07:20 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:51 AM

QUOTE (KnS @ Oct 7 2012, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She's just a filler character from episode #191. I think it's funny that she and Kakashi "accidentally" kissed, although he still had his mask on, lol. If you're interested, you can read about her here. smile.gif

oh honey sugar ice tea. i missed that well thanks.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:56 PM

Wait, they have Matsuri in the databook? What the...Well, it is rather funny that her character got expanded. Heck, even before Gaara and others leave, she was the one yelled out be safe. Maybe Kishi just go with the flow and kept it. That or Kishi perhaps like the idea. I don't know, but good for her.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:02 PM

Yep, that's about it. It's also the reason why she's quite prominent in the anime as well. This is why I'm hoping the same will happen to Hanare as well.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:42 PM

Ive got a question:

Are parallels often used also in other shounen manga to ship parings??

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Oct 7 2012, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ive got a question:

Are parallels often used also in other shounen manga to ship parings??

Not pairings in particularly, but parallells in general, yes. One piece is the only one I can come up with, though I don't see how Rouge resembles Nami. O_O

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:58 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Oct 7 2012, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ive got a question:

Are parallels often used also in other shounen manga to ship parings??

To my knowledge, not really. Parallel in other context sure, but hardly used. The thing is that in here, minus MinaKushi, the parallels are not just based on romance but as a whole. The reason for it is to establish the idea of old generation being flawed. Chiyo said it best that the older generation were flawed and only created problems for the future generation. It's now up to the new generation to fix that mistake and surpass it. Kishi's theme is surpassing as well as never giving up. Like it has been said multiple times, Kishi had the opportunity to make certain scenarios different than being "It's like Naruto/Team 7, only with tragic," but no, he decided to create a parallel and if people wanted to see what if Naruto route, this is it. MinaKushi almost got it perfect, but their time to be family ended before it truly began. NaruSaku will begin a new family and stay with it until the very end.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 02:07 PM

^ Well thanks i understand!
Kishi dat parallel fanatic biggrin.gif

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 02:09 PM

what exactly is this paralals. i am poor at english.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Oct 7 2012, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ Well thanks i understand!
Kishi dat parallel fanatic biggrin.gif

No problem. laugh.gif

QUOTE (narulsaku @ Oct 7 2012, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what exactly is this paralals. i am poor at english.

Allow me. Parallel is basically when two or more objects having the same direction, course, tendency, and so on. Basically they share similarities. Let's use Obito for example. Obito has a crush on Rin; Naruto has a crush on Sakura. Obito rivals Kakashi, who Rin likes; Naruto rivals Sasuke, who Sakura likes. Obito wants to be Hokage; Naruto wants to be Hokage. I can go on, I do think you already understand.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 03:37 PM

thanks narusakulife43g .you are a good shipper too.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:11 PM

QUOTE (narulsaku @ Oct 7 2012, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thanks narusakulife43g .you are a good shipper too.

You're welcome. Thank you for the compliment.

Here's a topic to have fun with. At what point you think Kishi was a parallel fanatic?




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