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[Miss Soupy]

(which would help Kishi spell out plainly and clearly as possible what Sakura's feelings are now, because obviously a good portion of the fandom aren't getting the message imo).

Unless Kishi's intentions are for the pairings to be unclear. I suppose if that is his goal, and I personally think it is, he is doing a pretty good job at it. I'd say if he meant for us to have no doubts about NS he would have clearly made it canon by now. Since he hasn't, it seems likely he is waiting for a certain moment to put all doubts to rest. Hopefully he does this without further ruining the credibility of his chosen pairing. Dragging things out too long can hurt more than help, in some cases.

[Phantom_999]

^^ Well, do you expect them to reread it properly? Those that despise Sakura and just don't want to read between the lines and see clearly. I mean if they don't want to like Sakura then they don't have to that it's plain and simple. My concern is the people who are presumably stretching the truth of certain scenes and issues.

NOPE I always knew they are willingly blind and that's their choice but it doesn't change the fact that it can irk someone and as you said this willful blindness with Sakura is distorting the truth about her character which is the annoying part

and miss soupy, another Ulquihime masterpiece!

Edited by Phantom_999, 01 August 2011 - 11:55 PM.

[sonicsucks]

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Naruto well, he said he would die with Sasuke if he came right down to it, so he obviously considers Sasuke more important than Sakura as a person he cares about and wants to be with, otherwise he'd would make a suicide pact with Sasuke if it came down to him going all out on Sasuke if Sasuke could not be saved. He choose death with his best friend over love with his most precious friend.

That says alot.

At least you guys have the most hentai and fanfiction lemons.

Edited by sonicsucks, 02 August 2011 - 06:30 AM.

[Namaenash]

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Naruto well, he said he would die with Sasuke if he came right down to it, so he obviously considers Sasuke more important than Sakura as a person he cares about and wants to be with, otherwise he'd would make a suicide pact with Sasuke if it came down to him going all out on Sasuke if Sasuke could not be saved. He choose death with his best friend over love with his most precious friend.

That says alot.

At least you guys have the most hentai and fanfiction lemons.

Well, the manga is not finished yet, so don't jump to conclusion that a certain pairing isn't happening. We're here in this forum because most of us like the pairing and can relate ourself into it. Oh, did I mention that out of all the possible pairings, NaruSaku has the most moments and chemistry?

Ouch.

[Codus N]

LOL, that's an interesting idea. The only problem is the craziest ideas I can come up with aren't too far off from what I've heard from actual NH/SS fans (or at least I assume they are, maybe some NS fans are already trying out your approach...). I'm not trying to bash those fandoms, considering every shipping fandom has its fringe crazies, but I think you'd be surprised at what some shippers are willing to believe. We might just be making Narutopedia worse...

On a side note, I have an account on Narutopedia, and I edited some chapter pages to remove some of the bias. I usually try to avoid character pages, since those tend to be pretty active, and I don't like to waste time playing 'tug-of-war' with SS/NH fans.
In any case, I might start a discussion on the Chapter 540 page if people keep editing it. From what I've heard online, we're not the only Naruto fans who are exasperated by the shipping nonsense over there. It might be a good idea to appeal to the mods to see if they're aware of it, or if they even care to improve their own website.


By context, do you mean relation to canon? I haven't heard anything official yet, but it sounds like Kishimoto and a novelist acquaintance of his are taking an active role in the movie. So I assume the characterization of Naruto, Sakura, Sai, Tsunade, and any other characters from the manga shouldn't be too far off. Plus, if Kishimoto is actually involved, I would guess that the movie could be taken as slightly more important than your average filler.

If you want something close to Narutopedia but neutral and balanced towards the pairings, check Tvtropes. I've seen some pairing-related pages over there, and to my surprise, they keep it pretty well-balanced.

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Naruto well, he said he would die with Sasuke if he came right down to it, so he obviously considers Sasuke more important than Sakura as a person he cares about and wants to be with, otherwise he'd would make a suicide pact with Sasuke if it came down to him going all out on Sasuke if Sasuke could not be saved. He choose death with his best friend over love with his most precious friend.

That says alot.

At least you guys have the most hentai and fanfiction lemons.

Bolded: you don't know how much I want to see that. I'm irritated with the fact that we NEVER get any 1st-person POV when it comes to their feelings.

[Darth Krypt]

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Saying something ain't happening when its not confirmed yet is, well....stupid. I won't even say SS or NH ain't happening because we're just the readers not the writers so we have no control what's going to happen next. What we can do is say which one is more likely to happen. And NS is the most likely pairing. Why? Because both have shown signs of having feelings for each other. Sasuke to Sakura? Naruto to Hinata? Almost none.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 02 August 2011 - 09:13 AM.

[Haaky]

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?


It's possible to have vague feelings. It's possible to have growing feelings. It's possible to love 2 people. It's possible to be insucure about your romantic life.
You are leaving out alot of posiblileties.

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

In part 2 of Naruto no this has not yet happened. Although I find it very obvious Naruto still loves Sakura, because what he said when Sai asked him "Why don't you tell her how you feel? Answer: "How could I? I couldn't even keep my promis to her" Seems obvious to me. Not vague at all, you still got a point, he needs to come up with proof on his own.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Agreed

Naruto well, he said he would die with Sasuke if he came right down to it, so he obviously considers Sasuke more important than Sakura as a person he cares about and wants to be with, otherwise he'd would make a suicide pact with Sasuke if it came down to him going all out on Sasuke if Sasuke could not be saved. He choose death with his best friend over love with his most precious friend.

I am pretty sure Sasuke is not the only one he would die for. I'm also pretty sure he'd die for Sakura too. It's just that it isn't needed.

That says alot.

Says alot, but doesn't say it all. You ahve not convinced me. I am not throwing the chanse of other pairings away, I am viewing tem as less likely to happen. Give me one sign of Naruto having romantical feelings for Hinata. Or Sasuke having romantical feelings for Sakura/Naruto and the tables are turned.

At least you guys have the most hentai and fanfiction lemons.

That says alot!

Edited by Haaky, 02 August 2011 - 10:43 AM.

[Anguyen92]

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Naruto well, he said he would die with Sasuke if he came right down to it, so he obviously considers Sasuke more important than Sakura as a person he cares about and wants to be with, otherwise he'd would make a suicide pact with Sasuke if it came down to him going all out on Sasuke if Sasuke could not be saved. He choose death with his best friend over love with his most precious friend.

That says alot.

At least you guys have the most hentai and fanfiction lemons.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, are you serious bro? All right serious face time, look man, with all due respect, who in the blue hell are you to tell us that narusaku is not happening? You just come in here yesterday and just walts in and say stuff like that that may have a certain truth it, I don't know, haven't anaylised it to the fulllest to mount a good argument, while there are people here that joined for years!!! Years, of dedication for the fandom, for a reason, is that they believe in a coherent understanding that narusaku will happens for good reasons. Even if there isn't any romantic context between the two of them yet, the most important thing, they have in their arsenal is that the bond they shared, is that they are always have each other's back if things get rocky, even between themselves, which is more than what the opposition has and, for that, it's all that matters!!! Wooooooo!!!!!!!

Phew, sorry about that people that usually come here. I always wanted to know what it was like to act like Ric Flair in the 80s and 90s in terms of promos, which is pretty much giving everyone credibility. If it sounds moronic to either of you guys, then you can disregard that.

Edited by anguyen92, 02 August 2011 - 02:58 PM.

[pharix]

it ain't over til the fat lady sings.

http://images1.wikia..._and_the_daimyo

[HenryFlitzroy]

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Naruto well, he said he would die with Sasuke if he came right down to it, so he obviously considers Sasuke more important than Sakura as a person he cares about and wants to be with, otherwise he'd would make a suicide pact with Sasuke if it came down to him going all out on Sasuke if Sasuke could not be saved. He choose death with his best friend over love with his most precious friend.

That says alot.

At least you guys have the most hentai and fanfiction lemons.

I wanted to reply to this and argue why most of this is just not true (especially the first line ).
Then i read the last line and decided it wasn't nessesary.

ps : whats with your username, do you have something personal against ToastyWarrior or something ?

Edited by JibJabba, 02 August 2011 - 03:44 PM.

[naruto-z]

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Naruto well, he said he would die with Sasuke if he came right down to it, so he obviously considers Sasuke more important than Sakura as a person he cares about and wants to be with, otherwise he'd would make a suicide pact with Sasuke if it came down to him going all out on Sasuke if Sasuke could not be saved. He choose death with his best friend over love with his most precious friend.

That says alot.

At least you guys have the most hentai and fanfiction lemons.

Hahaha....I Love You Man. You certainly know a lot more about narusaku than we do:

even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke

Your logic is appealing:

as a person he cares about and wants to be with

as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

love with his most precious friend.

You ask if Naruto has shown any feelings towards Sakura:
Picture Time Is that a blush that I see?
Sai's third party words:
This is a guy misunderstand emotions and lacks them himself for the most part....and even he can tell that, wait for it:
More Proof
Sakura loving Sasuke:
Looky Here
And Here
Enough Said

And oh..this looks like a man who wants to be with Sakura:
The Ideal Man...I guess?

Hinata's Devotion...?
Looks who's defending Naruto

Thank You and come again.

Edited by naruto-z, 02 August 2011 - 03:40 PM.

[RedDelicious]

Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke.

We've heard all the arguments for that point of view. At least as many (and IMO much more) opposing that point of view.
Bringing up the main lead's ideas about Sakura's feelings for Sasuke actually weakens your argument, because in chapter 474 he realizes how horribly wrong he was (pg 11 in particular).
(As for Kishimoto, there are plenty of examples from the manga. I was just looking back at chapter 485 pg 10. Naruto and Sasuke are about to attack each other, yet Sakura screams Naruto's name, not Sasuke. Or ch 488 pg 4, where seeing Naruto sleep peacefully brings that smile to her face.)

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI.

The ramen feeding scene, both the blushing at the thought, then the outrage at the ruined the mood.
Or all the way back in chapter 3, Naruto thinks "I feel like I finally understand why I like her."

There is plenty of evidence that Sakura's feelings towards Naruto (+) and Sasuke (-) has changed since the early chapters. There is no evidence that his feelings towards Sakura have diminished, and plenty to support that it is burning brighter than ever.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Her adoration of Naruto won't change. But her feelings are for what she thinks Naruto is (failure who still fights back), rather than who he is (prankster, orphan, knucklehead, hero). Makes it less likely that a meaningful relationship will emerge. Not impossible, but doesn't have the foundation that NS has.

Naruto well, he said he would die with Sasuke if he came right down to it, so he obviously considers Sasuke more important than Sakura as a person he cares about and wants to be with, otherwise he'd would make a suicide pact with Sasuke...

LOL, you make it sound like Romeo & Juliet. Naruto is *not* saying that he wants to die if Sasuke dies. He is stating that he is willing to die if that is what it takes to stop Sasuke.

Besides, we've already seen Naruto risk his life fighting Gaara. Naruto only stopped when he was told that Sakura was safe (which made him smile as he passed out, ch 138 pg 17).

Edited by RedDelicious, 02 August 2011 - 04:03 PM.

[Anguyen92]

Her adoration of Naruto won't change. But her feelings are for what she thinks Naruto is (failure who still fights back), rather than who he is (prankster, orphan, knucklehead, hero). Makes it less likely that a meaningful relationship will emerge. Not impossible, but doesn't have the foundation that NS has.

In all fairness, technically, he's a failure who still fights back, but not really, however if Hinata does not really know Naruto for what he really is and his background and his parents and understands them in the way, Sakura might understand them, then how on Earth would they make it work? (kinda playing devil's advocate here, I know they can't make it work due to the little to no development or bond)

Edited by anguyen92, 02 August 2011 - 04:01 PM.

[RedDelicious]

...I know they can't make it work due to the little to no development or bond

That's the point. NH could happen, if forthcoming chapters show them spending time together and truly getting to know each other. Or there could be some event that breaks the feelings Naruto & Sakura have for each other. But there is no indication that either one is in the works.

I have no problem if someone says they would have preferred some other pairing, or come up with fanfic that diverges from the manga early on (Hinata on team 7 instead of Sakura). It's the people who are ignoring what is actually happening in the manga that I find frustrating. Either that they ignore any Sakura development that happened since her introduction, or that it makes sense to ignore a pool-sized of NS build-up while clinging to a cupful of NH/SS/whatever.

[Gravenimage]

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Naruto well, he said he would die with Sasuke if he came right down to it, so he obviously considers Sasuke more important than Sakura as a person he cares about and wants to be with, otherwise he'd would make a suicide pact with Sasuke if it came down to him going all out on Sasuke if Sasuke could not be saved. He choose death with his best friend over love with his most precious friend.

That says alot.

At least you guys have the most hentai and fanfiction lemons.

If you want to continue being on this forum then please don't try to rub in our faces something that is NOT absolute and it's not even confirm when it's the opposite. There is a reason why Kishi has been developing Naruto and Sakura's relationship for years, it's not a coincidence to me. Keep these opinions to your self thank you.

Edited by Gravenimage, 02 August 2011 - 04:57 PM.

[Nate River]

Face it people, NaruSaku ain't happening. Kishimoto and even the main lead confirms that Sakura's love is for Sasuke. And that won't change. Tell me this, does anyone have any proof Naruto still holds strongly to Sakura as a love interest without a third parties vague opinion or he does love Sakura as much as he loves Sasuke as a brother?

I haven't seen any, and he has yet to bring up Sakura in a romantic context on his own statement and words without SAI. Okay, so it's inconclusive, but we do know Sakura harbors feelings for Sasuke, and I believe her resolve and opinion on him will never change despite her sad expression which is also vauge.

Other people can and have dealt with the additional moments part of it, so I'll leave that alone.

So, that aside, I'm not entirely sure why Sai's involvement somehow delegitmizes everything that happens at that time and you never explain it. However, for your argument to make sense it has to be at least an implied assumption. You set up a standard without explaining why it has any meaning or importance, which torpedo's the whole argument.

Hinata will never change her feelings for Naruto due to her absolute devotion to Naruto.

Yeah, so? I don't see them as an obstacle at this point. The only insight that was have about her opinion of Naruto-Sakura is the one where she hugs him after the fight with Pain. She didn't especially bothered by that. Add to that, that there has been zippo indication that Naruto returns her feelings and I'm at a loss as to how her devotion is a hinderance regardless of the label you attach to it.

So, unless Naruto has an obligation to return them, I don't see the problem and it's not even necesssary to argue that they are something besides love or that she has gotten over them.

If you want to continue being on this forum then please don't try to rub in our faces something that is NOT absolute and it's not even confirm when it's the opposite. There is a reason why Kishi has been developing Naruto and Sakura's relationship for years, it's not a coincidence to me. Keep this opinions to your self thank you.

The only thing he says that is objectionable (in relation to our rules) is the first line.

He is free to express his opinions so long as he complies with the rules.

[Codus N]

So, that aside, I'm not entirely sure why Sai's involvement somehow delegitmizes everything that happens at that time and you never explain it. However, for your argument to make sense it has to be at least an implied assumption. You set up a standard without explaining why it has any meaning or importance, which torpedo's the whole argument.

Actually, I can understand where he's coming from. So far, NS has been pushed by 3rd parties. It's those 3rd parties that end up taking the initiative instead of those two. Which is frustrating in its own right. So far, we've seen their relationship from 3rd person POV's, not from 1st person POV's. If you're going to pursue a relationship, don't wait out and have people kicking your ass towards her/him. You've gotta take the initiative.

*sigh* I hope chapter 540 actually has some purpose.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Ehhhh, don't worry, I'm sure this is going somewhere, obviously, something good in our end and as for the taking the initiative, that's probably going to happen in the next conversation that they're going to have, because I just don't see any pairing be canon without a conversation about the future between the two of them.

[elemental anubis]

I brought up hinata smiling when sakura hugged naruto to a naruhina shipper and she said that it wasn't in hinata's nature to get pissed off and I quote "even if the man she loves is being hugged by another woman."

[rastaman]

I brought up hinata smiling when sakura hugged naruto to a naruhina shipper and she said that it wasn't in hinata's nature to get pissed off and I quote "even if the man she loves is being hugged by another woman."

Well, we all know Hinata and she actually is NOT the person to 'get pissed' over something like this. That's my opinion, but don't get me wrong. She's probably smiling 'cause Naruto is alive. I'm sure she's also happy to see Sakura get along with Naruto since they know each other way better than she knows any of them. That's also why she doesn't go to hug Naruto, she doesn't want to disturb their happines. That's my point of view, to me Hinata is just an 'observer' and witness of NS hahaha.