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[T XD]

 

But what if Kishi has become brainwashed with the joy of fan service?

Kishi cares only about the Japanese fandom, though I think he's aware of the western fandom.

 

For me, Kishi sometimes does fan service. For example, 615. Okay, here, Hinata wants to be equal to Naruto and the stuff that she says about and it happened. But, there was emphasis on the hand holding and at the end of the chapter, numerous panels that emphasize them holding hands and standing together. Now that is a fan service. When I finished reading 615, I immediately thought " That was a chapter that got some hell of a good fan servicing ".

 

I don't think Kishi will pull that kind of fan service anymore. I think he'll just throw a panel or two at most in a chapter for a character as in if he wants to do some fan service to that character.

Edited by T XD, 01 August 2013 - 06:14 PM.

[Psychox]

When I said tasteful fanservice, I meant how Kishi will sometimes cater to a portion of the fanbase to make them happy, but in a way in which the fanservice is executed smoothly or works well in the context of the scene. For example, I consider Hinata thinking about how Naruto's big, warm hand makes her feel safe fanservice for the NaruHina fans. Why is it fanservice? Because it was unnecessary and provides nothing to the plot. Regardless, fanservice is certainly not a bad thing and every show/manga/anime/whatever has some.

Pandering to the fans increases the income ..

 

Apparently the nH and ss fadoms are heart aching from the idea Sasuhina , even filling their tag on tumblr with hate and calling us desperate  for shipping that pairing because we want saskeh out of the way.. oh god..

 

No more fanservice no jutsu , it does not make sense .. HInata was a witness of the NS hug and her face was happy while NAruto's while Sakura huged Sasuke was painful and he look devastated ...

 

After all we didnt see Naruto's face  we saw SAkura's but Hinata had a glimps of that period so yeah.. ShE KNOWS NAruto loves Sakura...

Edited by Psychox, 01 August 2013 - 06:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Kishi cares only about the Japanese fandom, though I think he's aware of the western fandom.

 

For me, Kishi sometimes does fan service. For example, 615. Okay, here, Hinata wants to be equal to Naruto and the stuff that she says about and it happened. But, there was emphasis on the hand holding and at the end of the chapter, numerous panels that emphasize them holding hands and standing together. Now that is a fan service. When I finished reading 615, I immediately thought " That was a chapter that got some hell of a good fan servicing ".

 

I don't think Kishi will pull that kind of fan service anymore. I think he'll just throw a panel or two at most in a chapter for a character as in if he wants to do some fan service to that character.

There's a line he doesnt cross, he never showed glimpses of Naruto viewing Hinata romantically speaking off.

Example 615 he didnt showed he may would develop feelings for her, 616 showed how he was oblivious to that to a point that romance didnt even crossed out his mind, while Hinata was doing her speech, Naruto was talking with the kyuubi, during the holdhanding he was talking with the kyuubi and thinking about Neji.

I mean he never give clues or stuff like that, we got with Sakura when Yamato did that famous quote, and a lot of times, even with that "Are you Naruto's girlfriend" which is another fanservice, it doesnt add nothing to the plot, comes from nowhere but just talked about a parallel that everyone knew off and got confirmed though RTN.

 

 

Kishi cares only about the Japanese fandom, though I think he's aware of the western fandom.

 

For me, Kishi sometimes does fan service. For example, 615. Okay, here, Hinata wants to be equal to Naruto and the stuff that she says about and it happened. But, there was emphasis on the hand holding and at the end of the chapter, numerous panels that emphasize them holding hands and standing together. Now that is a fan service. When I finished reading 615, I immediately thought " That was a chapter that got some hell of a good fan servicing ".

 

I don't think Kishi will pull that kind of fan service anymore. I think he'll just throw a panel or two at most in a chapter for a character as in if he wants to do some fan service to that character.

 

Nothing, fanservice for income is stupid, it proves to me how the author knows his story is crap, when an author starts doing fanservice is because he failed to make his story interesting, example i dont feel the whole battle with Obito interesting, it got boring with the "Rin stuff being constantly showed off to a point that she is his motive to do all the bad things he did" Obito is a crap villain, Kishi put a lot of effort to make Obito a good villain and he really failed in other hand when he didnt put much effort on Kabuto he managed to make a better villain with Kabuto than with Obito.

There are a lot of examples of fanservice, i'll just tlk about Adventure Time, it was cool and nice but then this last season started being boring and then we got fanservice with the "Sky Witch" episode.

So in general that's how stuff works.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 August 2013 - 06:52 PM.

[deviouslyChaotic]

Pandering to the fans increases the income ..

 

Apparently the nH and ss fadoms are heart aching from the idea Sasuhina , even filling their tag on tumblr with hate and calling us desperate  for shipping that pairing because we want saskeh out of the way.. oh god..

 

No more fanservice no jutsu , it does not make sense .. HInata was a witness of the NS hug and her face was happy while NAruto's while Sakura huged Sasuke was painful and he look devastated ...

 

After all we didnt see Naruto's face  we saw SAkura's but Hinata had a glimps of that period so yeah.. ShE KNOWS NAruto loves Sakura...

Pandering to the fans increases the income  ..

and makes shippers crazy  

 

Apparently the nH and ss fadoms are heart aching from the idea Sasuhina , even filling their tag on tumblr with hate and calling us desperate  for shipping that pairing because we want saskeh out of the way.. oh god..

You know, I think the Naruto fandom has the absolute worst pairing wars. I have never experienced so much negativity and bitterness when it comes to pairings in the other fandoms I take part in. I mean, going so far as to clog tags up with hate or constantly calling shippers names for shipping a particular pairing? Not cool. It's kind of sad how intense the pairing war has become in this fandom and how those supporting opposite pairings can be so mean and bitter to other pairings :(. I hope people do not mistake this as bashing. I'm not trying to bash, but merely voicing my observations.

 

No more fanservice no jutsu , it does not make sense .. HInata was a witness of the NS hug and her face was happy while NAruto's while Sakura huged Sasuke was painful and he look devastated ...

 

After all we didnt see Naruto's face  we saw SAkura's but Hinata had a glimps of that period so yeah.. ShE KNOWS NAruto loves Sakura...

I must say, Hinata's reaction is a little strange. Not because she is smiling, but because she has a speech bubble with "....." probably suggesting her discomfort. Even though she is happy for Naruto, it seems like she is not completely ok with the fact that Sakura hugged Naruto. She is probably conflicted, I think. On one hand, she wants Naruto to be happy, but on the other hand, she wishes it was her who was hugging him and giving him such happiness.

[Inferno180]

Whenever more arguements pop up against ns, it's always going to be treated in the west like it was nothing like its again part of the joke but for nh or SS to seriously happen, all those claims just again makes me wonder if these arguements were thought out.

All those popular arguements against ns:

It's a red herring
It's just comedy
Sakura is not how we think she is
Naruto is over sakura
Ns is not as popular
It's a brother sister relationship
Sakura will never stop loving Sasuke

Just no, just no, what's a bigger mystery for these is just how did nh become so supported the way it did? Is the misconception of Japanese culture or understanding literary styles for middle schoolers that hard to identify? I'm pretty sure the target audience does not ship all that often or maybe even be aware of what it is. But for all these arguements, that try to put out stuff against ns, they only add more holes into even believing they are good arguements. The red herring one, yeah why would Kishi focus so much on narusaku only to make it not happen, why not build nh more in all those opportunities? It's seriously only comedy? How about the fact that some of the most emotional scenes from naruto and sakura happened because of naruto loving sakura? We don't know sakura because the other fandoms who degrade or make fun of her obviously do, yeah this one makes sense because everything about sakura is bad. When did naruto get over sakura? When? 631 makes him seem that he still likes sakura. It's not as popular, yeah like fanbase size matters, look at avatar zutara was the biggest but that ship sank and sank hard. A brother sister relationship? I find it funny how sakura puts more effort and compassion towards naruto than Sasuke. Sakura never stop loving Sasuke? Kinda funny how 635 popped up with a trust issue between them.

Aside from SS being full of holes ever since the land of iron, nh is going to come up short on arguements soon I feel as well, I mean come on, Kushina was what made the ns and nh fandoms agree that there would be a pairing in the end, but all the Kushina stuff then leaned towards sakura, minato only furthered it then it drove the fandoms into overdrive saying that ns still was not going to happen or that is no longer matters. After that recent flashback of obito and how minato told him not to give up on rin, how many more scenes must we get that show something similar. In fact what is the pure justification of SS actually happening? What is it? For all the people who claim for sakura and Sasuke to come up after all this happens, what is the justification? Why nh too? Simply because hinata tried a lot? What about naruto himself? The hero? Why should all his merits be forsaken? Why should Sakura's love only come true because she hoped? What about her character development? Sakura can find reason in turning towards naruto because she knows how he feels about her, but even something else beyond what 457 put out. She knows narutos sacrifices for her, it's not like she isn't happy for it, heck she's making it clear in her resolve why she wants to help naruto, especially asserting herself to fight with her team. If she didn't care she would not have done that. Even then sakura being the only girl compared to Kushina so far should be enough of a sign for them to even consider it.

At this point though, it's just a matter if how much more do we honestly need? Minato seeing sakura like Kushina, the similar flashbacks of a goofball loving a girl who loved someone else, sakura and kushina similar backgrounds, the previous development, naruto showing he still practically loves sakura, sakura not trusting sasuke, what would happen if all this time until edo tensei breaks, if minato never speaks a single word to hinata, let alone what reason do they have to speak to each other? Kushina is just a side bonus but I find the real humor how nh was once united under kushinas words and 631 divided their opinions greatly into either it does not count or it's a joke. Lacking faith in something you once believed strongly in is a sign of weakness. It's like do fans still believe that during the naruto vs Sasuke fight that sakura would honestly support Sasuke? Do they honestly believe that? Doesn't it make sense for sakura to support narutos dream, something she defended as early as the Chunin exams? I just hope that when the next big ns moment comes, before the naruto vs Sasuke fight, I wonder how many more hits it will take until ns has enough to call it. 631 is the closest evidence yet, Kushina made a foreshadow, there will be a pairing half naruto and that other half is the girl like Kushina aka sakura at present. No comparisons of hinata? Didn't think so. All previous ns development? Has to end somewhere between them. Nh development? Has a bit but it's missing some many things people have claimed, I mean if naruto has still focus on sakura after 615, then nh has a major problem, especially when it's ally SS may be about to crumble. If sakura turns away from Sasuke and naruto still loves her, this is an omen for them.

As far as things go, ns has had a lot of answers given so far, sakura and Kushina and naruto still loving sakura. But it's not enough for many people. So as more chapters come, I only wonder how it will be when more positive stuff between naruto and sakura is shown. Her development has to go somewhere, not trusting Sasuke is another part of it. Sakura has begun a shift most likely due to 635, 631 built on a foreshadow. These 2 will lead somewhere, most likely to narusaku. Otherwise what would be the point of kushinas foreshadow, minatos input, and sakuras development? These are things which are never considered simply because the cool thing to do is hate or bash sakura or narusaku.

[deviouslyChaotic]

There's a line he doesnt cross, he never showed glimpses of Naruto viewing Hinata romantically speaking off.

Example 615 he didnt showed he may would develop feelings for her, 616 showed how he was oblivious to that to a point that romance didnt even crossed out his mind, while Hinata was doing her speech, Naruto was talking with the kyuubi, during the holdhanding he was talking with the kyuubi and thinking about Neji.

I mean he never give clues or stuff like that, we got with Sakura when Yamato did that famous quote, and a lot of times, even with that "Are you Naruto's girlfriend" which is another fanservice, it doesnt add nothing to the plot, comes from nowhere but just talked about a parallel that everyone knew off and got confirmed though RTN.

 

 

 

Nothing, fanservice for income is stupid, it proves to me how the author knows his story is crap, when an author starts doing fanservice is because he failed to make his story interesting, example i dont feel the whole battle with Obito interesting, it got boring with the "Rin stuff being constantly showed off to a point that she is his motive to do all the bad things he did" Obito is a crap villain, Kishi put a lot of effort to make Obito a good villain and he really failed in other hand when he didnt put much effort on Kabuto he managed to make a better villain with Kabuto than with Obito.

There are a lot of examples of fanservice, i'll just tlk about Adventure Time, it was cool and nice but then this last season started being boring and then we got fanservice with the "Sky Witch" episode.

So in general that's how stuff works.

I completely agree with everything you just stated.

I don't find Obito interesting in the slightest. I just want him to be defeated already so the story can finally progress. This fight just keeps dragging on and on. I liked him better when he was just Tobi... :(

And oh my god I thought I was the only one that thought that way concerning Adventure Time. I hated the Sky Witch episode. Nothing but pointless BubblegumxMarceline fanservice. Sadly, I fear Adventure Time is not as enjoyable as it once was. :\

 

Also, I agree with the fact the fanservice for income is stupid. Usually, constant fanservice indicates that the writer is desperate for ratings and will try anything to reel people back into watching/reading their creation.

[Psychox]

Pandering to the fans increases the income  ..

and makes shippers crazy  

 

Apparently the nH and ss fadoms are heart aching from the idea Sasuhina , even filling their tag on tumblr with hate and calling us desperate  for shipping that pairing because we want saskeh out of the way.. oh god..

You know, I think the Naruto fandom has the absolute worst pairing wars. I have never experienced so much negativity and bitterness when it comes to pairings in the other fandoms I take part in. I mean, going so far as to clog tags up with hate or constantly calling shippers names for shipping a particular pairing? Not cool. It's kind of sad how intense the pairing war has become in this fandom and how those supporting opposite pairings can be so mean and bitter to other pairings :(. I hope people do not mistake this as bashing. I'm not trying to bash, but merely voicing my observations.

 

 

I must say, Hinata's reaction is a little strange. Not because she is smiling, but because she has a speech bubble with "....." probably suggesting her discomfort. Even though she is happy for Naruto, it seems like she is not completely ok with the fact that Sakura hugged Naruto. She is probably conflicted, I think. On one hand, she wants Naruto to be happy, but on the other hand, she wishes it was her who was hugging him and giving him such happiness.

 

Now i think that the most hate for our OTP comes from Sakura haters mostly others just dont understand what tsundere is and many dislike the idea that she still has feelings for Sasuke , so they ship our boy with HInata , because they think Sakura hates him or something like that and he deserves to be loved something like that .. But people are missing the point , the hints the warm smiles , the selfless love i mean c'mon when  Sakura heard that NAruto loves her and he was suffering from the POAL she immediately started crying , because she was unaware of his strong love , so what did she do? She decided to end his suffering by killing SAsuke ,well if that ain't love i don't know what it is , but people still miss the point and that is because she failed to kill him .. her feelings got in the way .. So they proclaimed NS dead, most of them still do ..

 

You are absolutely right about the negativity and the repulsive feeling they can pour all in once . I've spared with nh fans and they can really turn things 180 and mare a pro moment into negative for example:

There was a scene after the pain fight when Naruto and Sakura were talking , Naruto was concerned about Tsunade's  state and Sakura conformed him that everything will be okay, but she was the wan who needed cheering up , so they stated that they don't understand each other at all , but forget that Naruto wasn't looking at her that time , but when Karui insulted Sasuke , well he looked at her with a sad look and without hesitation took the matter at hand and cheered her up.. Or during the chuunin exam , when she tried to protect his dream, she didn't undestand him , because the sole reason behind it was that he didn't ask for her help..

We all know that IBIKI said that who fails remains genin forever? So how is that an anti moment? She wants him to become hokage for goodness sake.. ITS FOR HIM , SHE IS SHOWING love/.. I mean come on....   Those ''facts'' can really turn your day into hell ,if you are a love sick shipper .

 

I cant see it i mean the comparison between the hospital scene and the war  aftermath is somewhat different , just because the feeling is different , maybe she is not fully okay , but it still alludes me to see that she has that strong feelings for NAruto.. but maybe that is just me.. 

Edit: @inferno  it hangs on the poor/selective reading comprehension skills or people just don't know what japanese comedy is .. or they are doing it for shipping preferences , or they just hate Sakura .

Edited by Psychox, 01 August 2013 - 07:58 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I see Hinata's reaction as a way of "I understand....It can't be helped" way. I remember an anime that has like 3 different type of reaction when they learned the guy chose that specific girl. One is "Oh I get it...oh well", the other is hurt and tears, and the last one is trying to stay strong but told to let go, which results to tears. I see Hinata first or last. Either way, I don't think she will be shell of herself because others moved on.

Naruto have the love that literally can't be broken. Kishi only wants one character to learn the moral of moving on, and Sakura is it. If there's anything that the parallel teached is that guys never move on because they were once a fighter to a higher dream. It's just the way of the writing.

[Psychox]

@Inferno , another thing , SS fans cling for the pas Sakura that she still has feelings and Hope that from the bench scene SAsuke has had too THE WHOLE TIME , which is barely believable . They hope for Sasuke's redemption and the healing will begin ..   

So, apparently Sasuke's redemption has the potential to render SAkura's development and feelings for Naruto to her part 1 counterpart ... Making her a complete liar and manipulator ... which is dark and kind of unpleasant ... They dont expect her to move on because she loving him is true love , but she developing feelings for Naruto and his unconditional love is the redharring or brother/sister... Tell me where does this start to make sense , because it alludes me still..

 

That is the main problem 540.. and that is where it became a stone that she will never move on... i dont know .. it just doesn't connect at all..

[deviouslyChaotic]

 

Now i think that the most hate for our OTP comes from Sakura haters mostly others just dont understand what tsundere is and many dislike the idea that she still has feelings for Sasuke , so they ship our boy with HInata , because they think Sakura hates him or something like that and he deserves to be loved something like that .. But people are missing the point , the hints the warm smiles , the selfless love i mean c'mon when  Sakura heard that NAruto loves her and he was suffering from the POAL she immediately started crying , because she was unaware of his strong love , so what did she do? She decided to end his suffering by killing SAsuke ,well if that ain't love i don't know what it is , but people still miss the point and that is because she failed to kill him .. her feelings got in the way .. So they proclaimed NS dead, most of them still do ..

 

You are absolutely right about the negativity and the repulsive feeling they can pour all in once . I've spared with nh fans and they can really turn things 180 and mare a pro moment into negative for example:

There was a scene after the pain fight when Naruto and Sakura were talking , Naruto was concerned about Tsunade's  state and Sakura conformed him that everything will be okay, but she was the wan who needed cheering up , so they stated that they don't understand each other at all , but forget that Naruto wasn't looking at her that time , but when Karui insulted Sasuke , well he looked at her with a sad look and without hesitation took the matter at hand and cheered her up.. Or during the chuunin exam , when she tried to protect his dream, she didn't undestand him , because the sole reason behind it was that he didn't ask for her help..

We all know that IBIKI said that who fails remains genin forever? So how is that an anti moment? She wants him to become hokage for goodness sake.. ITS FOR HIM , SHE IS SHOWING love/.. I mean come on....   Those ''facts'' can really turn your day into hell ,if you are a love sick shipper .

 

I cant see it i mean the comparison between the hospital scene and the war  aftermath is somewhat different , just because the feeling is different , maybe she is not fully okay , but it still alludes me to see that she has that strong feelings for NAruto.. but maybe that is just me.. 

Edit: @inferno  it hangs on the poor/selective reading comprehension skills or people just don't know what japanese comedy is .. or they are doing it for shipping preferences , or they just hate Sakura .

Of course most of the hate comes from Sakura haters, sadly, it can't be helped.

And, you have no idea how much it kills me when people miss the point of Sakura's confession. Some only look at her confession at face value without analyzing the context of her actions. Of course confessing wasn't the best way to handle the situation, but everyone makes mistakes. She was honestly just trying to help. That is all. Plus, she felt horrible after all was said and done. I mean, people make it seem like Kishi made her confess for sh*ts and giggles or for the sole reason of sinking NaruSaku when actually, that is not the case. 

Anyway, we should probably move on from this particular discussion/topic. It may lead to bashing and the mods will not be pleased. :(

 

I see Hinata's reaction as a way of "I understand....It can't be helped" way. I remember an anime that has like 3 different type of reaction when they learned the guy chose that specific girl. One is "Oh I get it...oh well", the other is hurt and tears, and the last one is trying to stay strong but told to let go, which results to tears. I see Hinata first or last. Either way, I don't think she will be shell of herself because others moved on.

Naruto have the love that literally can't be broken. Kishi only wants one character to learn the moral of moving on, and Sakura is it. If there's anything that the parallel teached is that guys never move on because they were once a fighter to a higher dream. It's just the way of the writing.

That's a good way of looking at that scene.

[Psychox]

Of course most of the hate comes from Sakura haters, sadly, it can't be helped.

And, you have no idea how much it kills me when people miss the point of Sakura's confession. Some only look at her confession at face value without analyzing the context of her actions. Of course confessing wasn't the best way to handle the situation, but everyone makes mistakes. She was honestly just trying to help. That is all. Plus, she felt horrible after all was said and done. I mean, people make it seem like Kishi made her confess for sh*ts and giggles or for the sole reason of sinking NaruSaku when actually, that is not the case. 

Anyway, we should probably move on from this particular discussion/topic. It may lead to bashing and the mods will not be pleased. :(

 

That's a good way of looking at that scene.

 

Nah , don't worry about that ... I mean i recently found out the motive behind her confession ( started with the anime 2011 than 1/2 year break and from 2 moths manga ,etc ) I just began searching for evidence even though i got first at narutopedia and what i've read there was not pleasing at all  .. obviously they are nh/fans or something like that ...

Anyways i stumbled upon tumblr and started reading and reading  , sought knowledge and eventually i came to the conclusion .. she loves Naruto she diDNT LIE ABOUT HER FEELINGS ,cUZ THEY ARE THERE... But then again as previous anime fan i couldn't see it as well as when reading the Manga..

 

And finally i came here and yeah ... everything became clear.. (after stalking this thread for 200 pages ) .
 

She made a mistake and he wasnt ready to believe her confession , because he does not know how much he has won her over..

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@Inferno , another thing , SS fans cling for the pas Sakura that she still has feelings and Hope that from the bench scene SAsuke has had too THE WHOLE TIME , which is barely believable . They hope for Sasuke's redemption and the healing will begin .. 

So, apparently Sasuke's redemption has the potential to render SAkura's development and feelings for Naruto to her part 1 counterpart ... Making her a complete liar and manipulator ... which is dark and kind of unpleasant ... They dont expect her to move on because she loving him is true love , but she developing feelings for Naruto and his unconditional love is the redharring or brother/sister... Tell me where does this start to make sense , because it alludes me still..

 

That is the main problem 540.. and that is where it became a stone that she will never move on... i dont know .. it just doesn't connect at all..

I dont want to go too hard on talking about fandoms but what pisses me off, is how they ignore key plot points, the Sasuke's redemption is one of them, why the author put a lot of conflict and make Sakura confront about her feelings for Sasuke all the time to just ignore all that in the end.

This is what pisses me off, the last was about loving a great guy which is someome that Sasuke is not, he may be a strong Ninja but not a great guy and his betrayal will confirm that more and more the story and Sakura development about SAsuke is leading to how Sasuke is not the type of guy she should not love, someome who she can look back and say "i was a fool for loving someome like him" feelings that she showed she didnt liked on the lover nin scene.

 

It's like Magic or whatever, like saying "it's comedy", "it's brother and sister", "it's a red herring" things that you repeat to ignore those moments and scenes, i dont know which is worse, PS4 vs XBONE or NS vs NH/SS.

 

 

 

Nah , don't worry about that ... I mean i recently found out the motive behind her confession ( started with the anime 2011 than 1/2 year break and from 2 moths manga ,etc   ) I just began searching for evidence even though i got first at narutopedia and what i've read there was not pleasing at all    .. obviously they are nh/fans or something like that ...

Anyways i stumbled upon tumblr and started reading and reading  , sought knowledge and eventually i came to the conclusion .. she loves Naruto she diDNT LIE ABOUT HER FEELINGS ,cUZ THEY ARE THERE... But then again as previous anime fan i couldn't see it as well as when reading the Manga..

 

And finally i came here and yeah ... everything became clear.. (after stalking this thread for 200 pages     ) .
 

She made a mistake and he wasnt ready to believe her confession , because he does not know how much he has won her over..

 

I believe that she lied, she was willing to embrace Naruto but acknowledged how bad her feelings for Sasuek are, that ws mostly her development, the fact is that Sakura didnt acknowledged Naruto as a man, i think Kiba said it well on that scene, Sakura thought that Naruto was a kid which he did when he reacted like "is this a joke?" showing imaturity, Naruto wanst ready on terms of romance, Sakura has a block on Naruto she viewed Naruto as an imature kid and didnt tell him the truth for the reason Kiba said it very well.

Kiba even mocked Naruto out saying he was still the same kid.

 

Things changed because Sakura now views Naruto as a man when on the chapter "Path of Radiance" she thought about hwo Naruto grow and became the great man he's now.

She probably doesnt have this block anymore.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 August 2013 - 08:37 PM.

[HauntedCake]

I dont want to go too hard on talking about fandoms but what pisses me off, is how they ignore key plot points, the Sasuke's redemption is one of them, why the author put a lot of conflict and make Sakura confront about her feelings for Sasuke all the time to just ignore all that in the end.

This is what pisses me off, the last was about loving a great guy which is someome that Sasuke is not, he may be a strong Ninja but not a great guy and his betrayal will confirm that more and more the story and Sakura development about SAsuke is leading to how Sasuke is not the type of guy she should not love, someome who she can look back and say "i was a fool for loving someome like him" feelings that she showed she didnt liked on the lover nin scene.

 

It's like Magic or whatever, like saying "it's comedy", "it's brother and sister", "it's a red herring" things that you repeat to ignore those moments and scenes, i dont know which is worse, PS4 vs XBONE or NS vs NH/SS.

 

 

 

I believe that she lied, she was willing to embrace Naruto but acknowledged how bad her feelings for Sasuek are, that ws mostly her development, the fact is that Sakura didnt acknowledged Naruto as a man, i think Kiba said it well on that scene, Sakura thought that Naruto was a kid which he did when he reacted like "is this a joke?" showing imaturity, Naruto wanst ready on terms of romance, Sakura has a block on Naruto she viewed Naruto as an imature kid and didnt tell him the truth for the reason Kiba said it very well.

Kiba even mocked Naruto out saying he was still the same kid.

 

Things changed because Sakura now views Naruto as a man when on the chapter "Path of Radiance" she thought about hwo Naruto grow and became the great man he's now.

She probably doesnt have this block anymore.

Umm i won't agree that she thought he was a kid... she is just as immature are Naruto can be.

[Psychox]

I dont want to go too hard on talking about fandoms but what pisses me off, is how they ignore key plot points, the Sasuke's redemption is one of them, why the author put a lot of conflict and make Sakura confront about her feelings for Sasuke all the time to just ignore all that in the end.

This is what pisses me off, the last was about loving a great guy which is someome that Sasuke is not, he may be a strong Ninja but not a great guy and his betrayal will confirm that more and more the story and Sakura development about SAsuke is leading to how Sasuke is not the type of guy she should not love, someome who she can look back and say "i was a fool for loving someome like him" feelings that she showed she didnt liked on the lover nin scene.

 

It's like Magic or whatever, like saying "it's comedy", "it's brother and sister", "it's a red herring" things that you repeat to ignore those moments and scenes, i dont know which is worse, PS4 vs XBONE or NS vs NH/SS.

 

  Well , we will have to have a mach between those conflicted pairings . The truth is i had to look hard enough and I've read their POV and their opinions both SS and NH and honestly their ''arguments'' made no cohesive or logical sense , that is why i know how they feel and think .. Those people (supporters ) use personalization of their OTPS , for example their experience of life  , because lets face it Sakura is the a character with the most human emotion impersonation in the whole manga , no one comes even close to what she has, and that is why people hate her , because they see themselfs in her or some part at least. I understand them , but this is practically a story that suppose to teach you something to comprehend so you can benefit from it , but that is it .. They dont see it or refuse to , but that is their choice.

I've seen on tumblr ''What you ship as OTP is secretly what kind of relationship you want '' or something like that , so than it came to me why...

@HauntedCake well yeah , but she more or less kind of did view him in this light , until the FOD arc came..

Edited by Psychox, 01 August 2013 - 08:46 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Umm i won't agree that she thought he was a kid... she is just as immature are Naruto can be.

So why Kiba told Sakura that she was underestimating Naruto?

The block was there, she only viewed Naruto romantically or thought about the possibility of having a romance with him when Sai told her that Naruto loved her.

The begining of the shippuuden also support this, did you saw how she flattered when she thought Naruto had grow up as a man? and how mad she got when she found out he was the same kid?

 

If Naruto continued acting like that on the begining of the shippuuden instead of dong the oiroke no jutsu, NS would have been canon ages ago.

 

Well that block doesnt exists anymore since the "path to radiance chapter" just bought up my thoughts about it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 August 2013 - 08:43 PM.

[HauntedCake]

FOD arc? which one was that?

[deviouslyChaotic]

 

  Well , we will have to have a mach between those conflicted pairings . The truth is i had to look hard enough and I've read their POV and their opinions both SS and NH and honestly their ''arguments'' made no cohesive or logical sense , that is why i know how they feel and think .. Those people (supporters ) use personalization of their OTPS , for example their experience of life  , because lets face it Sakura is the a character with the most human emotion impersonation in the whole manga , no one comes even close to what she has, and that is why people hate her , because they see themselfs in her or some part at least. I understand them , but this is practically a story that suppose to teach you something to comprehend so you can benefit from it , but that is it .. They dont see it or refuse to , but that is their choice.

I've seen on tumblr ''What you ship as OTP is secretly what kind of relationship you want '' or something like that , so than it came to me why...

That's interesting... it can certainly explain why some people prefer one ship over the other for no particular reason. It's weird to think that ships are merely projections of what we subconsciously want hahaha. However, I don't think this theory applies to every shipper. A lot of shippers ship things because they can't get enough of how two characters interact, nothing more and nothing less. (Then again they could like two character's interactions because that's how they secretly want to interact with someone....)

[Psychox]

So why Kiba told Sakura that she was underestimating Naruto?

The block was there, she only viewed Naruto romantically or thought about the possibility of having a romance with him when Sai told her that Naruto loved her.

The begining of the shippuuden also support this, did you saw how she flattered when she thought Naruto had grow up as a man? and how mad she got when she found out he was the same kid?

 

If Naruto continued acting like that on the begining of the shippuuden instead of dong the oiroke no jutsu, NS would have been canon ages ago.

 

Well that block doesnt exists anymore since the "path to radiance chapter" just bought up my thoughts about it.

 

You do make a strong poin , which chapt was that agian? number.....?

 

@Cake  forest of death i believe  she started viewing him in better way since then,.

Edited by Psychox, 01 August 2013 - 08:54 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Off-topic: does anyone knows a good site to have collection of writings in your storage and what not. I would like to write stuff and share here such as thoughts on this and that.

[Psychox]

Off-topic: does anyone knows a good site to have collection of writings in your storage and what not. I would like to write stuff and share here such as thoughts on this and that.

Deviant art? or tumblr

 

That's interesting... it can certainly explain why some people prefer one ship over the other for no particular reason. It's weird to think that ships are merely projections of what we subconsciously want hahaha. However, I don't think this theory applies to every shipper. A lot of shippers ship things because they can't get enough of how two characters interact, nothing more and nothing less. (Then again they could like two character's interactions because that's how they secretly want to interact with someone....)

My point exactly , not everyone but a great portion of people do.