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[Derock]

Not really. Most of the writers were flip-flopping the personalities, especially in the newer games. Knuckles, especially, went from dumb and punching bag (in which I hated) to suddenly the cool-headed leader of the Resistance?! What made it worse was the writers (Pontac and Graff) admitted they didn't research the games when writing the English translations.

 

Though for some reason they couldn't translate the games correctly. In Sonic Forces, they messed up on how Sonic and Tails went MIA after Infinite's intro, stating that Sonic was missing for over 10 months and Tails was "crazy and missing" (something of couldn't handle the situation?) according to Knuckles.  When in actually, Sonic was captured for a couple of minutes/hours and Tails was looking for him. It was like they were trying to make the story super serious once more beyond Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow the Hedgehog, and Sonic 06.

 

For SonAmy, most were and currently play for laughs because they had to follow the "Sonic CANNOT settle down" formula Yuji Naka stated when he was still working on the series before leaving SEGA. The exception was with Sonic Boom show because there were hints on both ends though still playing the formula.

[Kagomaru]

I thought his dislike of her affections was a running gag. Is Sonic secretly a Tsundere?

Sonic Team once responded to a Q&A featured in an old Disney magazine back in 2004 that Sonic has feelings for Amy, but he doesn't want to deal with them because he's shy. Not to mention that in both official in-game and website profiles, they almost consistently state that Sonic is nowhere near as annoyed with Amy's advances as he seems to be - so yeah, he's a bit of a tsundere. Also, he not only agreed to go on a date with Amy in Sonic and the Black Knights, but was visibly depressed when she didn't recognize him in Sonic Unleashed when he transformed into a Werehog.

 

Additionally, one of the more prevalent observations made is that Sonic always seems to slow down enough so that Amy can keep up with him whenever she chases him down, despite the fact that he can easily outrun her with contemptuous ease. 

 

Then there's Sonic X, which was also created and written by Sonic Team(when Yuji Naka was still the head of it), that made the pairing much more blatant than it was in the games. For instance: At the end of the second season, Sonic came straight to Amy's house upon his return to their world, gave her a flower as an apology for keeping her waiting and made a muted statement (in the Japanese version) that made her cry from joy and embrace him.  Most fans in Japan have interpreted (based on lip flaps) that he said that he loved her. 

 

 

And Sega takes quite an influential role as a consultant when dealing with adaptations like the original Archie Comics series and Sonic Boom.  In regards to the former, after the Genesis Wave retcon and the release of Sonic Universe,  they insisted to Archie to keep romantic relationships ambiguous (meaning no dating/marriage between Sega canon characters, just hints of an attraction). And Sonic and Amy were hinted at quite a bit Post-Genesis Wave.  They also persuaded the producers of Sonic Boom to do the same, which is why Sonic's feelings for Amy are more openly mutual, but they still aren't officially together. As mentioned, this is part of Yuji Naka's formula that Sonic can't settle down during the series' run(when the series finally concludes? Who knows), but they still hint at the relationship. Kinda like how Mario and Peach haven't officially hooked up within the games even though the romance between them is obvious.

 

So, the Sonic x Amy relationship isn't one-sided, but they likely won't become a couple unless Sega decides to put an end to the franchise.

Edited by Kagomaru, 02 March 2018 - 08:37 AM.

[KClaws_2]

In all fairness, if Sonic really does settle down, it WILL be game over.

[Kagomaru]

In all fairness, if Sonic really does settle down, it WILL be game over.

 

Which is why Sega's content to just ship-tease the two of them. 

Edited by Kagomaru, 02 March 2018 - 07:48 AM.

[Yyubie]

When she desperate the the only one she can think the only one she will call the one she have trust and faith for is :

 

But when someone questioning her love the one in her head is :

 

Kind of .... bit weird and doesn't make sense to me , i mean why not the same? in both scene there should be only 1 man in her heart , or maybe because after Pein arc that's why the direction changed!? We will never know.

[DrK]

Kind of .... bit weird and doesn't make sense to me , i mean why not the same? in both scene there should be only 1 man in her heart , or maybe because after Pein arc that's why the direction changed!? We will never know.

The Pain arc was far too conclusive. He wanted there to be doubt so that people would be excited about it still, I guess?

 

Hinata pretty clearly loses. Sakura embraces Naruto while Hinata watches with a smile. She does not approach him to try to talk about what she said before. She knows she lost. Sakura blatantly does not yield to her, either. So it's conclusive.

 

So Kishi created the ridiculous LoI kitten to prolong it. And this had the result of poisoning Sakura's character because it was handled badly. Then he continued to torture Sakura until she finally snapped and reverted to her 12 year old state.

[Yyubie]

 i always think that at the ending it's going to be Naruto or Sasuke and Sakura have to make a decision , whoever she chooses the other will die. This is strongly implied during the Tenchi Bridge / Heaven and Earth bridge arc. Just after Naruto recovered from 4 tailed transformation after he fights Orochimaru , when they going to pursue him to his hideout to find Sasuke , Naruto is unable to continue due to his injury and when Yamato propose to leave Naruto sakura looks very Angry , but Yamato explain that shinobi have to make a tough decision and they so close to Sasuke and Orochimaru and they might not get that same chance ever again then Sakura starting waver , Naruto look at her sad expression and he decide to endure his pain and continue to keep her dream meeting Sasuke again alive.

 

I think Sakura is suppose to make a hard decision here whether they abandon the mission for Naruto and lost their chance to get Sasuke or continue the mission but risking Naruto injury getting worse and if Naruto didn't decide to play tough i strongly believe she will decide to abandon the mission. I thought this kind of situation will happen again at the ending ...

[KClaws_2]

The Pain arc was far too conclusive. He wanted there to be doubt so that people would be excited about it still, I guess?

 

Hinata pretty clearly loses. Sakura embraces Naruto while Hinata watches with a smile. She does not approach him to try to talk about what she said before. She knows she lost. Sakura blatantly does not yield to her, either. So it's conclusive.

 

So Kishi created the ridiculous LoI kitten to prolong it. And this had the result of poisoning Sakura's character because it was handled badly. Then he continued to torture Sakura until she finally snapped and reverted to her 12 year old state.

You know, I kind of got into an argument with an NH fan over the thing in 450 (among other things), and by argument, I meant just listened to his claims and questioned if that's what I was supposed to see, why didn't Kishi do such and such?

His/her points basically boiled down to this:

1) Sakura's hug was a friendship hug

Me: I duuno. That looked quite intimate. I got hugged by a girl I had a crush on before; it wasn't ANYTHING like that.

2) Naruto didn't return the hug

Me: Yeah, it's called being RESPECTFUL

3) He was looking back at Hinata

Me: Wait. You mean those panels showing all the other K11, including Hinata, were from Naruto's point of view? If he was looking at HInata staring back at him, why wasn't that the highlight of the page? The hug got the biggest panel, that was clearly what Kishi wanted me to focus on. If he wanted me to see Naruto begin to think of Hinata, why didn't she get the biggest panel? The hug panel could have been shrunk, Naruto's own reaction moved down the page and proceeding that Hinata. That would have been a lot more clear.

 

It really amazes me how NH will never admit they are just seeing what they want to believe.

[DrK]

 i always think that at the ending it's going to be Naruto or Sasuke and Sakura have to make a decision , whoever she chooses the other will die. 

You really thought so? I don't think Kishi could ever do that. He'd either have to kill the main character, or he would have to kill Naruto. Neither of these would sit very well with him.

[Yyubie]

You know, I kind of got into an argument with an NH fan over the thing in 450 (among other things), and by argument, I meant just listened to his claims and questioned if that's what I was supposed to see, why didn't Kishi do such and such?

His/her points basically boiled down to this:

1) Sakura's hug was a friendship hug

Me: I duuno. That looked quite intimate. I got hugged by a girl I had a crush on before; it wasn't ANYTHING like that.

2) Naruto didn't return the hug

Me: Yeah, it's called being RESPECTFUL

3) He was looking back at Hinata

Me: Wait. You mean those panels showing all the other K11, including Hinata, were from Naruto's point of view? If he was looking at HInata staring back at him, why wasn't that the highlight of the page? The hug got the biggest panel, that was clearly what Kishi wanted me to focus on. If he wanted me to see Naruto begin to think of Hinata, why didn't she get the biggest panel? The hug panel could have been shrunk, Naruto's own reaction moved down the page and proceeding that Hinata. That would have been a lot more clear.

 

It really amazes me how NH will never admit they are just seeing what they want to believe.

Your friend definitely high when he said all of that , you should ask him what kind of herb hes been smoking.

 

You really thought so? I don't think Kishi could ever do that. He'd either have to kill the main character, or he would have to kill Naruto. Neither of these would sit very well with him.

Looking at the story yes i think so. But when you look at Kishimoto who give Sasuke a golden pass and throne? of course not gonna happen.

[jak123]

 i always think that at the ending it's going to be Naruto or Sasuke and Sakura have to make a decision , whoever she chooses the other will die. 

 

Nah if anything, there's too much evidence that shows Sasuke being a rogue ninja and having Sarada with Karin. Naruto and Sakura would have ended up together and have Boruto. That would have been way more interesting than what we have now.

[DrK]

KClaws, I never heard the argument that he was looking at Hinata before. That really is a joke. He was shocked because Sakura hugged him so he was depicted with wide eyes. I don't find it very likely that he, rather than being shocked at being hugged, was instead shocked to see Hinata, given that he was under no impressions that she was dead.

Edited by DrK, 02 March 2018 - 08:44 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

KClaws, I never heard the argument that he was looking at Hinata before. That really is a joke. He was shocked because Sakura hugged him so he was depicted with wide eyes. I don't find it very likely that he, rather than being shocked at being hugged, was instead shocked to see Hinata, given that he was under no impressions that she was dead.

I noticed that the Naruto fanboys and the Dragonball Z fanboys have a few things in common. They both pick and choose what they want as canon, they both put down characters they deem are a threat to their favorites, and they both love to believe that some of the characters are more powerful than what is actually shown.

"Goku can easily destroy a universe"

"Hinata is the strongest ninja in the village"

 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I noticed that the Naruto fanboys and the Dragonball Z fanboys have a few things in common. They both pick and choose what they want as canon, they both put down characters they deem are a threat to their favorites, and they both love to believe that some of the characters are more powerful than what is actually shown.

"Goku can easily destroy a universe"

"Hinata is the strongest ninja in the village"

 

 

Which is a big shame that fans can be like that.

[DrK]

Well, Goku could destroy the universe with the help of Beerus, if they keep punching each other's fists. I am pretty sure that was established. And they never talked about that happening again in later fights. I guess because they weren't specifically clashing their fists together. It has to specifically be that kind of contact to be a threat to the universe.

[KClaws_2]

KClaws, I never heard the argument that he was looking at Hinata before. That really is a joke. He was shocked because Sakura hugged him so he was depicted with wide eyes. I don't find it very likely that he, rather than being shocked at being hugged, was instead shocked to see Hinata, given that he was under no impressions that she was dead.

You'll hear something new everyday!

 

But yeah, the mental gymnastics they do for their arguments are amazing! I wasn't even arguing he was wrong, I was more questioning "If that was what Kishimoto wanted to get across, why didn't he do X instead?"  

I've yet to find something that makes sense.

[ultranx]

Well, Goku could destroy the universe with the help of Beerus, if they keep punching each other's fists. I am pretty sure that was established. And they never talked about that happening again in later fights. I guess because they weren't specifically clashing their fists together. It has to specifically be that kind of contact to be a threat to the universe.

yet people seem to pretend that never happened and call whoever brings it up a fanboy for whatever reason sigh. and that was before he got the stronger super saiyan blue, or dealt with goku black and zamasu, or broke through  hit's time skip dimension, or gained super saiyan blue kaioken x20, or the upcoming mastered ultra instinct spoiled in xenoverse 2.

Edited by ultranx, 03 March 2018 - 02:19 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Well, Goku could destroy the universe with the help of Beerus, if they keep punching each other's fists. I am pretty sure that was established. And they never talked about that happening again in later fights. I guess because they weren't specifically clashing their fists together. It has to specifically be that kind of contact to be a threat to the universe.

Yeah, I've seen fanboys talk like Goku could effortlessly pull a Zeno on a whim or something.

[jak123]

Well, Goku could destroy the universe with the help of Beerus, if they keep punching each other's fists. I am pretty sure that was established. And they never talked about that happening again in later fights. I guess because they weren't specifically clashing their fists together. It has to specifically be that kind of contact to be a threat to the universe.

Eh, I don't know about that. I could see them destroying a planet, but a whole universe? Seems like the only one who's capable of that would be the OmniKing, maybe the Grand Priest who's the strongest being all of existence.

[DrK]

Eh, I don't know about that. I could see them destroying a planet, but a whole universe? Seems like the only one who's capable of that would be the OmniKing, maybe the Grand Priest who's the strongest being all of existence.

But they said that. In the series they said it for sure. Maybe they didn't say it in the movie, but when they are bashing fists together the Kais are going on about how if this happens one more time, the whole universe might be destroyed. So if they had continued, then it would have been. Therefore Goku can destroy the universe with the help of any fighter who is BoG Goku level of power or higher. It's informed, at least. Unless they were wrong, but why would they be?