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[Super Boom]

Anyways moving on, the general audience sees her confession as a lie and her thinking about Sasuke at 540 an indication she's still in love with him *shrugs* its just what they WANT to see and they're messing up Sakura's entire concept on Narutopedia. YES YES I know, I'm not believing what they put on there, and that site can change any c*** people set their mind to but remember info sites are influential if you put some thing on people just might believe it.

Well, the 'general audience' is a relative term, but I sort of guess that the majority of the fandom assumes she still has some hang-ups. I don't know if the majority sees her confession as a lie, since so far I've only heard SS/NH fans claim that. The majority of non-shipping fans (which there are actually quite a lot of) I've talked to assume she was lying about being completely over Sasuke, but her feelings for Naruto are still up in the air. But I've only talked to people in the Western fandom, so I have no idea how Japanese fans interpret these things.

Also, I'm not trying get on your case or anything, but you do realize that you can edit Narutopedia right? Not saying you have to, but it's true that anyone can edit anything there, and this certainly isn't the first time you've complained about it. Maybe we should nominate some people here to take up the NS cause on that site, LOL.

Oh, and nice nice ToG avatar, Asbel looks pretty BA. The Aselia continuity's still my favorite though.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 31 July 2011 - 03:39 PM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Hmmmm, that's a great idea, we would have to take a stand eventually against these people and the whole editing Narutopedia would be a good start, but then again for like every narusaku fan that might edit it, there would probably be like three, four more of the opposition that could reedit that and make it worse, in terms of context and material, than before.

Edited by anguyen92, 31 July 2011 - 03:50 PM.

[naruto-z]

^^ Hmmmm, that's a great idea, we would have to take a stand eventually against these people and the whole editing Narutopedia would be a good start, but then again for like every narusaku fan that might edit it, there would probably be like three, four more of the opposition that could reedit that and make it worse, in terms of context and material, than before.

Haha, yeah I wouldn't recommend it but I'm not giong to stop you either because I respect for it. If we did do that it would take time but be worth the effort. Something that I did outside Naruto for another wiki thing that had a lot of BS was that we made an entirely new wiki that was more accurate. Perhaps we should start a new wiki that's not dedicated to narusaku neccesarily but to a non-biased naruto wiki. I'm ok with listing narusaku things as well as things that may not be pro for narusaku but that's what it means to be non-biased.

[Gravenimage]

Please pay no attention to Narutopedia because it's full of biased information when it comes to Sakura, anyone with an account can edit the information for example.

-During her confession when Naruto told her the "I hate people who lie to themselves" sentence according to Narutopedia Sakura told him that he was right that she was lying, honestly I don't remember her saying that at the manga.

So please stay away from Narutopedia if you are only looking for information on Sakura.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Wait a minute, they actually wrote that she said that he was right that she was lying, wow, maybe this would have been better for us, because if she rightly admits that she's lying, point out her flaws (being "weak" and "useless", her words, not mine), and Naruto would be the usual forgiving one, Sakura would then do something big and realistic in terms of intimacy, and we might of had narusaku canon early. Yeah, that's how I would have turn something negative into positive in our favor.

So the conclusion is that looking for info on Sakura, there, is pointless?

Edited by anguyen92, 31 July 2011 - 04:49 PM.

[Kagura]

So the conclusion is that looking for info on Sakura, there, is pointless?

Yeah. Seems like it.
I'd recommend to use only canon material, ie manga/databooks. Thous it's kinda troublesome... i don't know if there's any official databooks in English + manga has over 500 chapters.......

[Gravenimage]

Sakura's bio page at Narutopedia is biased because its clearly telling the readers that she still loves Sasuke and hasn't move on from him. Sites like this one are the many reasons why western fans bash Sakura's character along with studio Pierot.

Edited by Gravenimage, 31 July 2011 - 06:38 PM.

[ciardha]

^^ To be honest, it's not really much the first crush that you love the most, it's the person you would really love to spend time with the most.

I remember my crushes but they are just amusing memories. (Never crushed on a boy who acted like a jerk to me- I despised those boys and mocked them right to their faces. Amusingly that made the jerky guys afraid of me )

First boy I remember was this cute blonde haired, blue eyed boy in Kindergarten David- most the girls crushed on him, I think he liked being the center of attention but he wasn't arrogant about it, he was just kind of friendly by nature.

Second crush was cute light brown haired boy Kyle in first grade. Heh, on the first day of first grade I and this other girl chased him around the room because we thought he was cute. His dad got a job in Europe midway through the year and the family followed him there. I remember he wrote one letter to the class (most likely his mom wrote it for him) that the teacher read to the class.

Next crush was this cute Korean boy who was friends with my older brother, he went by his family name Kim with all his American friends. It was the summer before I turned 11. I boldly kissed him right in my front yard. I think I scared the poor guy by that- he blushed bright red and didn't visit again. Aww... My mom saw me kiss the boy- she was looking out the window. She thought it was hilarious and told the story at family gatherings many times. I was horridly embarrassed when I was young, but as time went by it became funny to me too.

Last crush I remember was when I was 13, a popular but friendly and cute blonde haired guy Kenny. By then I was mature enough to know I was just attracted to him because he was cute as well as friendly- so I just stayed friends since I didn't really know that much about him. Lots of girls in the class had a crush on him for the same reason. I was just mature enough by then to know that wasn't something to think I could build anything romantic for. Plus by that time I was a geeky gal who was getting into couple shipping in fandoms. That was much more fun. I shipped real life couple John and Yoko because they shared my ideals and they, to me, had such a wonderful romantic story- the type equal romantic creative relationship that was my ideal relationship. Then fictional couples- Han Solo and Princess Leia, Derek and Nova (Starblazers), and Nightfall and Redlance (Elfquest)

[Phantom_999]

^^ To be honest, it's not really much the first crush that you love the most, it's the person you would really love to spend time with the most. And for that whole forgotten their first crush, that crush was the person I love spending time the most.



I agree, because after all of this is said and done, where would everyone go? I mean eventually she will get over Sasuke for real and that would be that. It's just that I, like everyone here, highly doubt that Sakura would go back to Sasuke which would, in my opinion, be the worst ending ever, but I highly doubt Kishi would troll and level us like that and if that actually did happen, Kishi would need a brain hemorage in order to write that, what would happen to Naruto and don't say Hinata.

How old were you when you had your first crush. I editted my post above to add something so I won't rewrite it. But can you really say you still have feelings for an old crush when you were 12?

I'll say especially when that crush NEVER paid attention to you and treated you like crap, calling you annoying and other things.

I never said that. I'm asking do you still remember your crushes not tragically moaning about your feelings and crying? DO YOU STILL keep them in mind? I'm not talking about obsessing over what could have been. No one does that unless they're absolutely heartbroken My point IS that memories of your crushes or former loves, good or bad don't just disappear, and you may remember every now and then because it's still a life experience and it doesn't ALWAYS mean you still have feelings for them. You're talking about it like it's a TRAUMA unless it was that bad for you. Anyway what Sakura is feeling right now is that She loves Naruto for sure but Sasuke is still in her head because it wasn't that long ago that he left and she's constantly reminded of him and how low he has dropped morally especially since he pops up like a jack in the box occasionally Its not that she still loves him she's just remembering and might be conflicted cause she doesn't know what to feel.

Well, the 'general audience' is a relative term, but I sort of guess that the majority of the fandom assumes she still has some hang-ups. I don't know if the majority sees her confession as a lie, since so far I've only heard SS/NH fans claim that. The majority of non-shipping fans (which there are actually quite a lot of) I've talked to assume she was lying about being completely over Sasuke, but her feelings for Naruto are still up in the air. But I've only talked to people in the Western fandom, so I have no idea how Japanese fans interpret these things.

Also, I'm not trying get on your case or anything, but you do realize that you can edit Narutopedia right? Not saying you have to, but it's true that anyone can edit anything there, and this certainly isn't the first time you've complained about it. Maybe we should nominate some people here to take up the NS cause on that site, LOL.

Oh, and nice nice ToG avatar, Asbel looks pretty BA. The Aselia continuity's still my favorite though.

Yeah trust me I've tried but they make my edits look like biased BS they think those perceptions are the norm that's the frustrating part anyways it IS generally NH and SS fans or just haters saying she was lying but it DID look like that at first didn't it? it took some second guessing and deeper interpretation to figure out Naruto meant she was lying about being over Sasuke and remember Kishimoto showed his disapproval of fan comments on Sakura so I'm guessing they though the same thing about her lying....... maybe and I'm happy you'd appreciate my Asbel avatar as a fellow tales fan

Edited by Phantom_999, 31 July 2011 - 10:39 PM.

[pharix]

cute blonde haired, blue eyed boy liked being the center of attention but he wasn't arrogant about it, he was just kind of friendly by nature.

are you sure he didn't have whisker birthmarks? ;O

[Anguyen92]

I never said that. I'm asking do you still remember your crushes not tragically moaning about your feelings and crying? DO YOU STILL keep them in mind? I'm not talking about obsessing over what could have been. No one does that unless they're absolutely heartbroken My point IS that memories of your crushes or former loves, good or bad don't just disappear, and you may remember every now and then because it's still a life experience and it doesn't ALWAYS mean you still have feelings for them. You're talking about it like it's a TRAUMA unless it was that bad for you. Anyway what Sakura is feeling right now is that She loves Naruto for sure but Sasuke is still in her head because it wasn't that long ago that he left and she's constantly reminded of him and how low he has dropped morally especially since he pops up like a jack in the box occasionally Its not that she still loves him she's just remembering and might be conflicted cause she doesn't know what to feel.

Oh, if you put it like that then yeah, Sakura is really conflicted about her first crush but she knows to face the reality that Sasuke is an evil dude and that she will move on from it. It could be irritating, at times, when you think about your first crush in a depressing manner and what you do want to do is to move on to the best thing in your life and grow from all the experiences and that's the direction that Sakura's character is taking, presumably.

Edited by anguyen92, 31 July 2011 - 08:30 PM.

[ciardha]

. Anyway what Sakura is feeling right now is that She loves Naruto for sure but Sasuke is still in her head because it wasn't that long ago that he left and she's constantly reminded of him and how low he has dropped morally especially since he pops up like a jack in the box occasionally Its not that she still loves him she's just remembering and might be conflicted cause she doesn't know what to feel.

And blames herself for freezing up, she thinks right there after she did that, that she is still weak... It's not that she's weak, it's that she's human. It would be nice if she could have a conversation with Tsunade about this. Tsunade could tell Sakura that despite never having had romantic feelings for Orochimaru, and having had years to distance her team mate bond feelings, it took her a week to build up the resolve to kill Orochimaru, and how when Orochimaru was killed she mourned him, despite what he had become. That would help Sakura put things into proper perspective.

[RedDelicious]

I remember my crushes but they are just amusing memories.
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I guess that means, since you thought of them at all, that you are still wildly consumed by love for them, and are lying if you told anyone else that you liked them.

And for me, the definition of getting over someone is not running back to them after everythings over.

That works for me.
After the VotE fight in part I, when Sakura thought that both Naruto and Sasuke were in the hospital (ch 236), she thought of and went to Naruto first. And when her classmates decided to hunt Sasuke, she confronted/confessed Naruto before taking action on Sasuke. And after the Pein attack was over, she made a memorable scene when going to Naruto.

^^ Hmmmm, that's a great idea, we would have to take a stand eventually against these people and the whole editing Narutopedia would be a good start, but then again for like every narusaku fan that might edit it, there would probably be like three, four more of the opposition that could reedit that and make it worse, in terms of context and material, than before.

Correcting the material is one approach. The other is to make it crazier. Put in some of the more outlandish ideas from anti-NS forces, but phrase it to make it obvious what is wrong with those ideas. Either that, or make up stuff, like Hinata being born with a Y-chromosome.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Now, now, now let's not get hasty and for the and for the and i quote "Put in some of the more outlandish ideas from anti-NS forces, but phrase it to make it obvious what is wrong with those ideas," What do you have in mind because I don't think that anti-NS don't follow canon logic as much as we do. So no matter how ridiculous the outlandish ideas are, they might actually go with it and then what? Btw, does anyone have any updates on the context of the Blood Prison movie?

Edited by anguyen92, 31 July 2011 - 10:46 PM.

[Super Boom]

Correcting the material is one approach. The other is to make it crazier. Put in some of the more outlandish ideas from anti-NS forces, but phrase it to make it obvious what is wrong with those ideas. Either that, or make up stuff, like Hinata being born with a Y-chromosome.

LOL, that's an interesting idea. The only problem is the craziest ideas I can come up with aren't too far off from what I've heard from actual NH/SS fans (or at least I assume they are, maybe some NS fans are already trying out your approach...). I'm not trying to bash those fandoms, considering every shipping fandom has its fringe crazies, but I think you'd be surprised at what some shippers are willing to believe. We might just be making Narutopedia worse...

On a side note, I have an account on Narutopedia, and I edited some chapter pages to remove some of the bias. I usually try to avoid character pages, since those tend to be pretty active, and I don't like to waste time playing 'tug-of-war' with SS/NH fans.
In any case, I might start a discussion on the Chapter 540 page if people keep editing it. From what I've heard online, we're not the only Naruto fans who are exasperated by the shipping nonsense over there. It might be a good idea to appeal to the mods to see if they're aware of it, or if they even care to improve their own website.

Btw, does anyone have any updates on the context of the Blood Prison movie?

By context, do you mean relation to canon? I haven't heard anything official yet, but it sounds like Kishimoto and a novelist acquaintance of his are taking an active role in the movie. So I assume the characterization of Naruto, Sakura, Sai, Tsunade, and any other characters from the manga shouldn't be too far off. Plus, if Kishimoto is actually involved, I would guess that the movie could be taken as slightly more important than your average filler.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 31 July 2011 - 11:43 PM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well, what I meant in context is like is there any updates on like the actual story, scenes, narusaku moments, etc. Basically, can we see the movie without subs anywhere on the internet?

Edit to Boom: It's all right. Sorry, if my wording was unclear.

Edited by anguyen92, 01 August 2011 - 02:00 AM.

[Super Boom]

^^ Well, what I meant in context is like is there any updates on like the actual story, scenes, narusaku moments, etc. Basically, can we see the movie without subs anywhere on the internet?

My bad, I guess I misunderstood what you said.
I haven't heard anything yet, but it looks like some random info from the movie is being posted on Narutopedia (characters, jutsu, etc.). It could just be tidbits from a trailer though, so we'll see. I'm not sure how it's worked on the past, but I know I've seen plot synopses for the 3rd and 4th Shippuden movies before the subbed versions came out, so I imagine info on it will work it's way to us eventually. This movie also has a novelization, so we might get info on that too if/when someone translates it.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 01 August 2011 - 01:33 AM.

[Paptala]

And blames herself for freezing up, she thinks right there after she did that, that she is still weak... It's not that she's weak, it's that she's human. It would be nice if she could have a conversation with Tsunade about this. Tsunade could tell Sakura that despite never having had romantic feelings for Orochimaru, and having had years to distance her team mate bond feelings, it took her a week to build up the resolve to kill Orochimaru, and how when Orochimaru was killed she mourned him, despite what he had become. That would help Sakura put things into proper perspective.

Do you think that she will have a chance to talk to Tsunade about her feelings with the war going on? I really do think that Sakura could use someone to talk to about them, someone who will just listen and let her come to her answers on her own (which would help Kishi spell out plainly and clearly as possible what Sakura's feelings are now, because obviously a good portion of the fandom aren't getting the message imo).

My bad, I guess I misunderstood what you said.
I haven't heard anything yet, but it looks like some random info from the movie is being posted on Narutopedia (characters, jutsu, etc.). It could just be tidbits from a trailer though, so we'll see. I'm not sure how it's worked on the past, but I know I've seen plot synopses for the 3rd and 4th Shippuden movies before the subbed versions came out, so I imagine info on it will work it's way to us eventually. This movie also has a novelization, so we might get info on that too if/when someone translates it.

I'm really hoping for at least a plot synopsis of anyone's who seen the movie at this point. I would be satisfied with that. But I can't really find anything other than trailers at this point :-(

[Phantom_999]

Do you think that she will have a chance to talk to Tsunade about her feelings with the war going on? I really do think that Sakura could use someone to talk to about them, someone who will just listen and let her come to her answers on her own (which would help Kishi spell out plainly and clearly as possible what Sakura's feelings are now, because obviously a good portion of the fandom aren't getting the message imo).

I'm really hoping for at least a plot synopsis of anyone's who seen the movie at this point. I would be satisfied with that. But I can't really find anything other than trailers at this point :-(

OF COURSE they're not getting the message! it's plain and clear when they said Sakura was lying about her confession they're clearly NOT rereading properly

[Anguyen92]

^^ Well, do you expect them to reread it properly? Those that despise Sakura and just don't want to read between the lines and see clearly. I mean if they don't want to like Sakura then they don't have to that it's plain and simple. My concern is the people who are presumably stretching the truth of certain scenes and issues.

Edited by anguyen92, 01 August 2011 - 02:45 PM.