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[TouKen4Life3g]

There are trolls on NF?

Lol. It's not a surprise, but to think, he will target me for the name. I haven't bash him or anything. I don't think he knows I'm a good guy. Er, Zetsu's words...Anyway, I'll see what happens next.

[PhenixElite]

Indeed. There is so many possibilities.

Why trolled? Well I have a person who is PMing me, who happened to be SasuSaku fan due to his name. However, he said he doesn't like SasuSaku and NaruHina. Then why the name? He told me he's there to play. I don't buy it for now. I will leave him alone after 2 more.

ohh i understan, better you leave him alone

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@NaruSaku4Life3g: Leave NF. Debating with them doesn't work, I saw how they debate and sometimes it's very rabid. They'll stick to what they're saying no matter what till the end and after it too.

I've see the topics of fanbase, all worthless, i lose 5 mins of my life.
I've see NS, ant SS, SS,NH all those threa, disorganized and full of pointless, not to mention the arguments if i was a mod there , i would simply everything in the trash and lock, because there are only one purpose on that sub-forum wich is generate flamewars.

I dont even need to talk about this picture


i found it funny but there are people who uses it to bash the other fanbase.
well like i said before when i'm out this NS forum i'm anti-shipper.

i think if everyone ship their pairing without bothering in doing rants to make pairing debates ( pairing debates = waste of time) pairing debates in a shounen = (waste of time)².

seriosuly i was reading i think it was manga 601(on mangareader) when i pass the page 20, i was hoping for some nice fanart but they put naruhina+mene, i was like WTF.

Edited by dovahkiin, 05 October 2012 - 06:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You don't believe how much I can't stand this kind of bashing
So sad.

Yes, it makes me rage even more when debates happen because it pointless, none of the sides will win and they all end with trolls.

[T XD]

Yes, it makes me rage even more when debates happen because it pointless, none of the sides will win and they all end with trolls.

Well, let's keep not to deal with anything in that way

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well, let's keep not to deal with anything in that way

Just pay attention that most of the fights in that forum is regarding opposite pairings fandom "discussing"

Edited by dovahkiin, 05 October 2012 - 06:37 PM.

[T XD]

Just pay attention that most of the fights in that forum is regarding opposite pairings fandom "discussing"

Yeah, I know. That's why I don't associate with NF. It frustrates me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Okay, apparently, he is only playing around with SasuSaku. I asked him why. Now I wait for that. I don't know what to do next. I'm not debating him but why go to me you know. I know I feel like a trolled. I hope it has a block button somewhere because I feel I will get spam.

[T XD]

Okay, apparently, he is only playing around with SasuSaku. I asked him why. Now I wait for that. I don't know what to do next. I'm not debating him but why go to me you know. I know I feel like a trolled. I hope it has a block button somewhere because I feel I will get spam.

Just ignore him and he'll be bored soon with it. Or you know, you can report him.

[redragon88]

Do any of you believe in those spoilers of Sasuke killing Kakashi? I really hope they aren't true since they say Naruto won't end up with Sakura. I wouldn't hate an open ending as long as Naruto at the very least confessed his love to Sakura and that it was implied that Sakura could fall for Naruto in the future. It wouldn't be ideal for me but I guess it would be better than him getting rejected.

What I would truly hate is if it ends with Sakura still hoping to get together with Sasuke romantically, or worse them actually being together. It sends a bad message. Not only because Sakura's love for Sasuke makes her suppress her personality (from outgoing and cheerful to submissive and sad), but because it would mean that the message of not giving up is completely broken.

It's not like people are going to go about saving the world after reading Naruto, so they must apply the "never give up" terminology for more common everyday things, one of which can obviously be love. If Naruto never gets Sakura to consider him a possible romantic prospect it sends a clear message that he should've given up hoping to be together with her since it was never gonna happen no matter how hard he tried. Now the message has become "If it seems unlikely, GIVE UP".

It sends a clear message to every person who likes another "If the person you like doesn't like you back at all when you first meet them then you shouldn't even try since it's never gonna get you anywhere", depressing message isn't it?

Some of you might ask yourselves "But what about Sakura and Hinata? The same applies to them." It doesn't, because what differentiates Naruto from Sakura and Hinata is that he tries. Naruto is always the one who tries the hardest to make the one he likes (Sakura) happy. The girls on the other hand worry more about how their love affects them instead of focusing on making the boys happy. The girls focus more on what the boys can give them instead of what they can give to the boys.

When you like someone I know for sure that your priority would be on how to make them smile and feel joy, not on what you could get from them. If you like someone then you want to try your best to make sure they're happy, and who is the one who shows that the most in the Naruto series? Naruto.

Now back to the message of never giving up, it's pretty clear that if Sakura doesn't even start considering Naruto as a romantic interest that it completely destroys the general "never give up" message that Kishi took over a decade to try and communicate. Look at it this way, he makes Naruto spend over a decade (real time) loving Sakura and making him do his best so that she little by little changes his opinion of him only to leave it with her as his close friend. Seriously, what in the world was the point of Naruto even changing Sakura's opinion of him?

Sakura's opinion of Naruto should not be on the same level as with the rest of the characters for the simple fact the she is his love interest. The culmination of the hero's journey when it comes to people changing their minds about him includes the love interest falling for him. You have:

- Sasuke: the rival who thinks the hero is a nobody but ends up respecting him and considering him his closest friend by the end.
- Sakura: the love interest who detest the hero but ends up realizing his good qualities and falls for him.
- Kakashi: the teacher who wonders if the hero has what it takes but ends up becoming proud of him and acknowledging the hero has surpassed him.
- Every other ally (the rookies, Tsunade, Konoha people, ninja alliance, etc.), their levels of impact differ but it's basically the same: at the beginning they didn't think much of the hero; some hated him, some thought he was a joke, some thought he wouldn't amount to much. But, whether it was fast or slow, with Naruto's dedication for never giving up he ended up changing the minds of every single one of them.

Then there's odd ones out like Iruka and Hinata who believed in Naruto from the get go. But their purpose was basically to show that the hero does have good qualities, it let's us know that he just needs to mature. Iruka is there to show us that Naruto has his good points or else he would give up on him. Hinata is there to show us that Naruto has good qualities that appeal to girls or else she wouldn't care. It's a way to let the audience know in the beginning of the story that there was a potential for people to eventually believe in Naruto (through Iruka believing in him) and for Sakura to eventually start liking Naruto (through Hinata liking him).

Resuming the culmination of the hero's journey, if Sakura doesn't start having romantic feelings for Naruto then that puts her in the same category as the Every other ally. If that was to be the case then there really wasn't much of a point in making her Naruto's romantic interest. Kishi might as well had made Naruto never like her or at least to have started liking someone else. But so far Naruto has never stopped loving Sakura so she's still his love interest.

If it's not even implied that Sakura could potentially start liking Naruto back by the end of the series then it renders useless the entire "never give up" message. It leaves us with the believe that even if there was a small chance for someone to like you back that you shouldn't try anyway since it's never gonna get you any results. That's like a slap to the face to all the couples who started off with a one sided love. The message of love in Naruto is not about being persistent even if the person says no, notice that for all the times Sakura might've rejected Naruto's advances she never stopped being close to him. If Sakura had gotten in Naruto's face and told him to stop trying to ask her on dates and to keep his distance because he bothered her then it would be a different story but that never happened between them.

Naruto is persistent because he knows that at the very least Sakura doesn't hate it when he does that. If Naruto thought for a second that him asking her out on dates would make her feel miserable then we would immediately stop.

Sakura never starting to like Naruto back leaves us with the message that if you like someone the only way to be with them is to make sure that they like you back from the very beginning. If they don't like you back from the get go then you should give up since no matter how hard you try to make them happy there's absolutely no chance for them to like you back.

I'll be honest, if the series doesn't end with Sakura starting to like Naruto, at the very least, then Kishi might as well end the series with Sasuke still believing that Naruto is an idiot.

WOW, that was longer than I originally envisioned. I would appreciate it if I could get opinions on this.

Edited by redragon88, 05 October 2012 - 07:01 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Just ignore him and he'll be bored soon with it. Or you know, you can report him.

Ok, it's official, I'm being trolled. He linked me here and he wants to show his profile. Unfortunately for him, it's MINE. Lol. Oops.

[PhenixElite]

Do any of you believe in those spoilers of Sasuke killing Kakashi? I really hope they aren't true since they say Naruto won't end up with Sakura. I wouldn't hate an open ending as long as Naruto at the very least confessed his love to Sakura and that it was implied that Sakura could fall for Naruto in the future. It wouldn't be ideal for me but I guess it would be better than him getting rejected.

What I would truly hate is if it ends with Sakura still hoping to get together with Sasuke romantically, or worse them actually being together. It sends a bad message. Not only because Sakura's love for Sasuke makes her suppress her personality (from outgoing and cheerful to submissive and sad), but because it would mean that the message of not giving up is completely broken.

It's not like people are going to go about saving the world after reading Naruto, so they must apply the "never give up" terminology for more common everyday things, one of which can obviously be love. If Naruto never gets Sakura to consider him a possible romantic prospect it sends a clear message that he should've given up hoping to be together with her since it was never gonna happen no matter how hard he tried. Now the message has become "If it seems unlikely, GIVE UP".

It sends a clear message to every person who likes another "If the person you like doesn't like you back at all when you first meet them then you shouldn't even try since it's never gonna get you anywhere", depressing message isn't it?

Some of you might ask yourselves "But what about Sakura and Hinata? The same applies to them." It doesn't, because what differentiates Naruto from Sakura and Hinata is that he tries. Naruto is always the one who tries the hardest to make the one he likes (Sakura) happy. The girls on the other hand worry more about how their love affects them instead of focusing on making the boys happy. The girls focus more on what the boys can give them instead of what they can give to the boys.

When you like someone I know for sure that your priority would be on how to make them smile and feel joy, not on what you could get from them. If you like someone then you want to try your best to make sure they're happy, and who is the one who shows that the most in the Naruto series? Naruto.

Now back to the message of never giving up, it's pretty clear that if Sakura doesn't even start considering Naruto as a romantic interest that it completely destroys the general "never give up" message that Kishi took over a decade to try and communicate. Look at it this way, he makes Naruto spend over a decade (real time) loving Sakura and making him do his best so that she little by little changes his opinion of him only to leave it with her as his close friend. Seriously, what in the world was the point of Naruto even changing Sakura's opinion of him?

Sakura's opinion of Naruto should not be on the same level as with the rest of the characters for the simple fact the she is his love interest. The culmination of the hero's journey when it comes to people changing their minds about him includes the love interest falling for him. You have:

- Sasuke: the rival who thinks the hero is a nobody but ends up respecting him and considering him his closest friend by the end.
- Sakura: the love interest who detest the hero but ends up realizing his good qualities and falls for him.
- Kakashi: the teacher who wonders if the hero has what it takes but ends up becoming proud of him and acknowledging the hero has surpassed him.
- Every other ally (the rookies, Tsunade, Konoha people, ninja alliance, etc.), their levels of impact differ but it's basically the same: at the beginning they didn't think much of the hero; some hated him, some thought he was a joke, some thought he wouldn't amount to much. But, whether it was fast or slow, with Naruto's dedication for never giving up he ended up changing the minds of every single one of them.

Then there's odd ones out like Iruka and Hinata who believed in Naruto from the get go. But their purpose was basically to show that the hero does have good qualities, it let's us know that he just needs to mature. Iruka is there to show us that Naruto has his good points or else he would give up on him. Hinata is there to show us that Naruto has good qualities that appeal to girls or else she wouldn't care. It's a way to let the audience know in the beginning of the story that there was a potential for people to eventually believe in Naruto (through Iruka believing in him) and for Sakura to eventually start liking Naruto (through Hinata liking him).

Resuming the culmination of the hero's journey, if Sakura doesn't start having romantic feelings for Naruto then that puts her in the same category as the Every other ally. If that was to be the case then there really wasn't much of a point in making her Naruto's romantic interest. Kishi might as well had made Naruto never like her or at least to have started liking someone else. But so far Naruto has never stopped loving Sakura so she's still his love interest.

If it's not even implied that Sakura could potentially start liking Naruto back by the end of the series then it renders useless the entire "never give up" message. It leaves us with the believe that even if there was a small chance for someone to like you back that you shouldn't try anyway since it's never gonna get you any results. That's like a slap to the face to all the couples who started off with a one sided love. The message of love in Naruto is not about being persistent even if the person says no, notice that for all the times Sakura might've rejected Naruto's advances she never stopped being close to him. If Sakura had gotten in Naruto's face and told him to stop trying to ask her on dates and to keep his distance because he bothered her then it would be a different story but that never happened between them.

Naruto is persistent because he knows that at the very least Sakura doesn't hate it when he does that. If Naruto thought for a second that him asking her out on dates would make her feel miserable then we would immediately stop.

Sakura never starting to like Naruto back leaves us with the message that if you like someone the only way to be with them is to make sure that they like you back from the very beginning. If they don't like you back from the get go then you should give up since no matter how hard you try to make them happy there's absolutely no chance for them to like you back.

I'll be honest, if the series doesn't end with Sakura starting to like Naruto, at the very least, then Kishi might as well end the series with Sasuke still believing that Naruto is an idiot.

WOW, that was longer than I originally envisioned. I would appreciate it if I could get opinions on this.

Great post!!

Yeah all i can say to this is like i said 100 times before that i cant see any other option then NS. I cant see NH, SS or an open ending, cause kishi already build it up that its too obvious.

He made all those hints parralels from part 1. If he would make any other pairing canon then all work he had done for them and the whole manga would have been useless.
Its already the typical shounen buildup and so for my opinion it means the hero gets the heroine tsundere END!

Just to add:

Imagine Sasuke becoming good and sakura getting together with sasuke, after all the buildup and naruto chasing after sakura sinde episode 1. I mean that alone sounds so weired that ive got to laugh when i think about it.
I mean Naruto brings him back and sakuras like:"thank you naruto now i can finally get with him" or Naruto getting with hinata just the same after this buildup.

SO come on

Edited by PhenixElite, 05 October 2012 - 07:24 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Do any of you believe in those spoilers of Sasuke killing Kakashi? I really hope they aren't true since they say Naruto won't end up with Sakura.

Why, saying that sasuke killing kakashi is one of the things that has a good chance of happening, this does not mean that naruto won't end up with sakura, it's the same thing as obito being tobi, it had a chance of happening but what if didnt happen?
he just made a prediction and tried to claim that he was an kishi's editor wich is untrue.

[candycane-chan]

@:reddragon great post I agree with you,kishi wouldn't have made her change from hating him...well as much as a kid can hate ...to willing to kill the guy she loves/likes for him,I meen really now that I remember there reletionship in the beginning of part 1 I see how much they changed,for the better offurse and as for kakashi dying,kakashi is just about to have his major character development and no I don't think gai will die either,kakashi already lost alot of precious people so no more deaths ( of his precious people) will be needed ,kakashi should be able to continue to live with no guilt ,he deserves it.

Edited by candycane-chan, 05 October 2012 - 07:49 PM.

[redragon88]

Here's a thought that came to mind:

During the original fight of Hashirama vs Madara in the valley of the end it was said that as the battle progressed Hashirama took control of Kurama and thus was able to win by taking away that powerhouse from Madara. The question is: How on Earth did he do it?

We know that Madara controlled Kurama with his sharingan, but what did Hashirama do? Maybe he just restrained Kurama with some wood style but that seems too easy. I would think that after some struggle Kurama would be able to free himself from the wood.

I've heard rumors that maybe Mito (Hashirama's wife) was also present in that battle. Maybe while Hashirama restrained Kurama Mito used that opportunity to seal Kurama inside of her, thus making the first jinchuriki.

It would be interesting if we got a flashback of sort with that happening. I would find it funny that for all of Madara's talk about Tsunade being a "weak woman" that it was another "weak woman" who was the key to taking Kurama away from him thus making Hashirama's victory over him certain.

[KnS]

Why, saying that sasuke killing kakashi is one of the things that has a good chance of happening, this does not mean that naruto won't end up with sakura, it's the same thing as obito being tobi, it had a chance of happening but what if didnt happen?
he just made a prediction and tried to claim that he was an kishi's editor wich is untrue.

I agree. Sasuke could potentially kill Kakashi, but I can't see how that would be anything even remotely positive for SS or negative for NS.

I haven't read the spoilers -- in fact I wasn't even aware of them until now -- but the whole thing sounds like a fish story to me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@redragon88: I read your LAP and needless to say, it was a great post from start to finish.

About those "spoilers," not one thing I believe it's true. First of all, why flat out say it? That makes no sense and only hurts the product, not to mention your job and Kishi himself. It makes no sense. Yes, these are "possibilities" but it most likely wont happen. First of all, Sasuke killing Kakashi, we already established that Naruto and Sasuke WILL fight each other. They don't need a reason to fight other than what's stated back at Kage Summit Arc. Plus, Sasuke's main focus out of Team 7 is Naruto. No one else. Sure, he may want to fight Madara, but reason goes with Itachi and the clan. He's done with Kakashi. He even stated that all his power will go to killing Naruto. Hell, even Kakashi already said that he leaves everything to Naruto. So yeah, it's BS.

Second, Naruto won't end up with Sakura. Yay, way to ruin the love drama. Seriously, why even bring it up? Why ruin the momentum of this love triangle? Why had Kishi stall this love drama so long only to establish that she's not going with him? It made no sense. In fact, these spoilers are nothing but Team 7 being destroyed in every breaking point. It's like Shakespeare's writing, nothing but tragic. Kishi already established that it's about never giving up and goods will happen. Why destroy Naruto with all of these tragedies? It doesn't fit well at all. Not one bit. Plus, Kishi got another year in him, so no one knows but him.

Lastly, about the open ending. It could happen, but I start to believe that he's going to that route at all. I think he's already made it clear that everything about Naruto will be resolved. There are others that left it open ended, but nowadays, we are left with a real conclusion, especially in Shounen. Not just Jump, just Shounen. So yeah, I doubt we will get open ending.

[JIN KAZAMA]

Okay, apparently, he is only playing around with SasuSaku. I asked him why. Now I wait for that. I don't know what to do next. I'm not debating him but why go to me you know. I know I feel like a trolled. I hope it has a block button somewhere because I feel I will get spam.

omg

Im not a troll , I really love narusaku
im in this fourm , since :

Joined: 29-March 12


I told you , I want to Discover the truth, because some one lied to me in that forum
Someone I know from another forum

she said , that she isnt a sasusaku fan , but the truth she is
and This is what I wanted to know


I did not enter to Naruto Fourms never
That was the first time in my life
I swear

If you believed , which I have to say, this is good
If you don't , get me banned

Edited by JIN KAZAMA, 06 October 2012 - 04:18 PM.

[PhenixElite]

@redragon88: I read your LAP and needless to say, it was a great post from start to finish.

About those "spoilers," not one thing I believe it's true. First of all, why flat out say it? That makes no sense and only hurts the product, not to mention your job and Kishi himself. It makes no sense. Yes, these are "possibilities" but it most likely wont happen. First of all, Sasuke killing Kakashi, we already established that Naruto and Sasuke WILL fight each other. They don't need a reason to fight other than what's stated back at Kage Summit Arc. Plus, Sasuke's main focus out of Team 7 is Naruto. No one else. Sure, he may want to fight Madara, but reason goes with Itachi and the clan. He's done with Kakashi. He even stated that all his power will go to killing Naruto. Hell, even Kakashi already said that he leaves everything to Naruto. So yeah, it's BS.

Second, Naruto won't end up with Sakura. Yay, way to ruin the love drama. Seriously, why even bring it up? Why ruin the momentum of this love triangle? Why had Kishi stall this love drama so long only to establish that she's not going with him? It made no sense. In fact, these spoilers are nothing but Team 7 being destroyed in every breaking point. It's like Shakespeare's writing, nothing but tragic. Kishi already established that it's about never giving up and goods will happen. Why destroy Naruto with all of these tragedies? It doesn't fit well at all. Not one bit. Plus, Kishi got another year in him, so no one knows but him.

Lastly, about the open ending. It could happen, but I start to believe that he's going to that route at all. I think he's already made it clear that everything about Naruto will be resolved. There are others that left it open ended, but nowadays, we are left with a real conclusion, especially in Shounen. Not just Jump, just Shounen. So yeah, I doubt we will get open ending.

Yeah! Its just like you said why making all this hints, moments and keeping up narutos love for sakura for over 600 chapters!
Just to pull out NH, SS, or open ending.
Yeah, i dont think so!!

[TouKen4Life3g]

omg

Im not a troll , I really love narusaku
im in this fourm , since :

Joined: 29-March 12


I told you , I want to Discover the truth, because some one lied to me in that forum
Someone I know from another forum

she said , that she isnt a sasusaku fan , but the truth she is
and This is what I wanted to know


I did not enter to Naruto Fourms never
That was the first time in my life
I swear

If you believed , which I have to say, this is good
If you don't , get me banned

Time out.

All I said to myself is whether or not I'm being trolled or not. That said you got banned from NF. How and why? A lot of us did not how to react. I was late to the party, so I didn't have anything to say. When you link to my own profile, I assumed that you're lying to me. Why not use your profile in the first place? Why gone all the trouble in NF? Why get banned? I don't have any grudge, but it was really hard to tell who's a troll or not in there. Trust me. Plus why after me? Not saying leave me alone, but I feel like I'm being attacked due to me being NS fan and my kindness will get the better of me, so no way I will retaliate. Please make it clear as possible in here as you answer these for me. We need to know once and for all.