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[merryGOflava]

ya know...honestly...im more worried, about no pairing happening than SS or NH

i mean think about it.

even if sakura likes sasuke even till the end, he wont like her back....so that pairing wont work. so she will never be truly happy.

and naruto is to hooked on sakura to even consider hinata. not to mention he never talks to her. i think she literally only talked to him ONCE in part 2....actually twice if you count the "i love you" thing

so.....its all up to sakura or nothing.

but did you ever wonder why sakura didnt have any major clan like naruto or sasuke? cause sakura can literally marry anyone and keep her husbands clan okay without messing it up. ....(does that make sense) cause if hinata married naruto, then the whole byuakugan thing would over shadow naruto's clan. (thats what i think anyway) i mean can you imagine their babies??

but like i said, its narusaku or its over for the pairings....(unless kishi just makes one happen for the heck of it) but kishi did say one love would be returned and if thats the case then i have no doubt that its narusaku.

Edited by merryGOflava, 29 July 2011 - 06:51 AM.

[Kagura]

ya know...honestly...im more worried, about no pairing happening than SS or NH

i mean think about it.

even if sakura likes sasuke even till the end, he wont like her back....so that pairing wont work. so she will never be truly happy.

and naruto is to hooked on sakura to even consider hinata. not to mention he never talks to her. i think she literally only talked to him ONCE in part 2....actually twice if you count the "i love you" thing

so.....its all up to sakura or nothing.

but did you ever wonder why sakura didnt have any major clan like naruto or sasuke? cause sakura can literally marry anyone and keep her husbands clan okay without messing it up. ....(does that make sense) cause if hinata married naruto, then the whole byuakugan thing would over shadow naruto's clan. (thats what i think anyway) i mean can you imagine their babies??

but like i said, its narusaku or its over for the pairings....(unless kishi just makes one happen for the heck of it) but kishi did say one love would be returned and if thats the case then i have no doubt that its narusaku.

Exactly. Plus, Hinata is the oldest daughter of the clan's chief? (lol, it sounds wrong...) So, she can marry only a man from Hyuuga clan, right? To keep the bloodline clean. Hope it makes sense.
When I first saw Hinata, I thought: is she blind or something? I was pitying her because of that, lol. I'm used to these eyes now, but when I try to imagine little Naruto with byakugan, it makes me feel creepy all over.

Edited by Kagura, 29 July 2011 - 07:32 AM.

[rastaman]

The more the plot is wrapped up the more I get kinda euphoric about NS. I mean almost everyone here is already confidently expecting NS to become true. It's just like placing a bet and waiting.
Anyway, does anyone here feel like a 'weirdo' (no offense) for actively 'rooting' for NS? I'm a 19-year-old, male user from Germany and manga is definitely not popular here AT ALL, among male people. There are only a few manga readers at our school and most of them are female and don't read Naruto.
So, I'm sure rooting for a manga pairing is more 'natural' in Japan. Does this fact make me 'weird'? I actually like the series and the idea of NS. There were a few moments, which made me cry (not like breaking out in tears). Is there any reason for me to feel 'uneasy'? I also do think that manga is way more entertaining than common Hollywood movies like Pirates of the Caribbean for example.

[Kagura]

The more the plot is wrapped up the more I get kinda euphoric about NS. I mean almost everyone here is already confidently expecting NS to become true. It's just like placing a bet and waiting.
Anyway, does anyone here feel like a 'weirdo' (no offense) for actively 'rooting' for NS? I'm a 19-year-old, male user from Germany and manga is definitely not popular here AT ALL, among male people. There are only a few manga readers at our school and most of them are female and don't read Naruto.
So, I'm sure rooting for a manga pairing is more 'natural' in Japan. Does this fact make me 'weird'? I actually like the series and the idea of NS. There were a few moments, which made me cry (not like breaking out in tears). Is there any reason for me to feel 'uneasy'? I also do think that manga is way more entertaining than common Hollywood movies like Pirates of the Caribbean for example.

I guess there's nothing wrong about rooting for a fictional pairing. Almost every manga has a 'love-story', which is often about unrequited love for friends/comrades (in Shōnen mostly) that eventually start to develop feelings for the guy/girl in love (like NS). It's pretty hard to find these kind of relationship in real life nowadays, that's why people like to read about it in books/manga watch movies/anime. It's this way for me, anyway.

Almost everyone I know in rl make fun of my love for animanga. They think it's some uninteresting childish stuff, but it doesn't stop me from being a part of a fandom.

And yes, I'd rather watch/read some great anime/manga instead of watching prosy Hollywood movies (at least most of them).

Edited by Kagura, 29 July 2011 - 12:23 PM.

[Phantom_999]

nah he completely went against what Itachi wanted for him and says hes gonna slaughter everyone in Konoha etc. Sakura wouldn't stand for that.
she will forgive him in the end for his reason, but that doesn't mean she gonna fall for him all over again. she loves sasuke yeah but her growing feelings for Naruto seem alot stronger even if she doesn't understand them yet.

540 proved how negative her feelings are becoming more then anything.


SS uprising? LOL i see alot of people bashing Sakura more then ever now.


can't wait tell the next NS moment.

Well NH uprising for sure. YES people have almost doubled their bashing of Sakura right now and if Kishimoto was trying to prevent that why did he draw that scene in the first place? Even if its to keep sales going I remember he wanted to portray Sakura as more heroine like and showing her thinking about Sasuke like that just shows hesitation, not very heroine like at all I'm just saying, I still like Sakura and always will but that is how she will be seen. People want to see a heroine more determined than that

[merryGOflava]

^ im sure we will get that. her conflict is picking between the boys, well thats gotta get resolved sometime. and when it does a lot of people are gonna go "finally!" even the sakura bashers.

[Super Boom]

Well NH uprising for sure. YES people have almost doubled their bashing of Sakura right now and if Kishimoto was trying to prevent that why did he draw that scene in the first place? Even if its to keep sales going I remember he wanted to portray Sakura as more heroine like and showing her thinking about Sasuke like that just shows hesitation, not very heroine like at all I'm just saying, I still like Sakura and always will but that is how she will be seen. People want to see a heroine more determined than that

If Kishi has some plan for resolving the romantic subplot, I doubt he's going to alter it just to avoid people bashing his characters. I think the 540 panel is just another step in that plan. Maybe Sakura is already over Sasuke, and she's randomly thinking about him for some unrelated purpose, but I'm more of the mind that she has to overcome her remaining feelings for him before the end of the manga.
She's had some BA moments in the past, and I'd prefer it for Kishi to continue with that, but the fact is that her character is more or less the center of the romantic subplot. So, when she finally realizes Naruto's the one she truly loves, that's when that aspect of her character will be resolved. I think the 540 panel is actually an indication of the direction her feelings are moving. Like Living Lavish said, 540 was proof of how negative her feelings for Sasuke have become.

I've said it before, but I have no doubt that NaruSaku is Kishi's endgame in this whole thing. All the hints, development, and foreshadowing make it seem incredibly obvious. It's just the path it's taking that confuses me sometimes.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 30 July 2011 - 12:05 AM.

[Anguyen92]

^^ Agreed, the path to making it could be very different and have twists and turns and roadblocks, but on the basis of development, characteristics, and bonds, the path would lead to the same ending, which is narusaku.

Despite the 469 false confession and the 540 image, we here still believe that narusaku will happen due to the countless events that has happened in the manga and the parallels that trumps those two moments. We just have to stay positive.

Edited by anguyen92, 30 July 2011 - 12:09 AM.

[Phantom_999]

If Kishi has some plan for resolving the romantic subplot, I doubt he's going to alter it just to avoid people bashing his characters. I think the 540 panel is just another step in that plan. Maybe Sakura is already over Sasuke, and she's randomly thinking about him for some unrelated purpose, but I'm more of the mind that she has to overcome her remaining feelings for him before the end of the manga.
She's had some BA moments in the past, and I'd prefer it for Kishi to continue with that, but the fact is that her character is more or less the center of the romantic subplot. So, when she finally realizes Naruto's the one she truly loves, that's when that aspect of her character will be resolved. I think the 540 panel is actually an indication of the direction her feelings are moving. Like Living Lavish said, 540 was proof of how negative her feelings for Sasuke have become.

I've said it before, but I have no doubt that NaruSaku is Kishi's endgame in this whole thing. All the hints, development, and foreshadowing make it seem incredibly obvious. It's just the path it's taking that confuses me sometimes.

EXACTLY it is confusing how its going about sometimes that's all I'm saying if what WAS the point of Sakura thinking about Sasuke? you must wonder that and remember Kishimoto said He wants to portray Sakura more like a heroine so was that heroine like? just saying

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 July 2011 - 03:48 AM.

[ciardha]

^^ Agreed, the path to making it could be very different and have twists and turns and roadblocks, but on the basis of development, characteristics, and bonds, the path would lead to the same ending, which is narusaku.

Despite the 469 false confession

The confession wasn't false. Kishimoto made that clear at Jump Festa 2009, and wrote Sai's dialogue in 474 to also make that clear. Naruto accepted the truth of her feelings for him in 470 when she was firm about it. Naruto made it clear there it wasn't her feelings for him that he knew she was fooling herself about, it was that she was 100% over Sasuke. No one said Sakura was consciously lying about anything to do with her romantic feelings, much less her feelings for Naruto. On the contrary, it was totally supported about her romantic feelings for Naruto. Naruto knows Sakura is in love with him now- thus his mental image of her in chapter 505. Her romantic feelings for Naruto are a positive for Sakura so much so that it's completely integrated into her life and normal personality- thus her first gentle neutral let down to the ninja with a crush on her in chapter 539.

It wasn't until he persisted in his unwanted declaration of love that she was reminded of her crush on Sasuke in chapter 540. The image she had of Sasuke and her expression in chapter 540- looking depressed and like she was ill was decidedly not romantic. The moment was just a bad reminder that her memory of her feelings about Sasuke wasn't so easily rid of as she thought, and brought back the remnants of her childhood poor self-image- in this case, that she made a really bad choice about who she picked for her childhood crush. Not only was it one sided but he turned into this guy obsessed with hatred and vengeance on everyone- a self made monster. And that this guy was crushing on her like she had on Sasuke- not knowing anything about her, and having this false image of her just based on the most surface interactions.

[Anguyen92]

^^ I sure hope that what you're saying is the case and as always I look forward for the next moment, which could happen in like the next 10-20 chapters or even longer. Gosh, the suspense is somewhat killing me.

[soot-r]

EXACTLY it is confusing how its going about sometimes that's all I'm saying if what WAS the point of Sakura thinking about Sasuke? you must wonder that and remember Kishimoto said He wants to portray Sakura more like a heroine so was that heroine like? just saying

I'm still waiting for IT, she had her moments here and there but nothing to big.( except of course the awesome Sakura/Chio vs Sasori fight. Wheres the big heroine part?

[Super Boom]

The confession wasn't false. Kishimoto made that clear at Jump Festa 2009, and wrote Sai's dialogue in 474 to also make that clear. Naruto accepted the truth of her feelings for him in 470 when she was firm about it. Naruto made it clear there it wasn't her feelings for him that he knew she was fooling herself about, it was that she was 100% over Sasuke. No one said Sakura was consciously lying about anything to do with her romantic feelings, much less her feelings for Naruto. On the contrary, it was totally supported about her romantic feelings for Naruto. Naruto knows Sakura is in love with him now- thus his mental image of her in chapter 505. Her romantic feelings for Naruto are a positive for Sakura so much so that it's completely integrated into her life and normal personality- thus her first gentle neutral let down to the ninja with a crush on her in chapter 539.

It wasn't until he persisted in his unwanted declaration of love that she was reminded of her crush on Sasuke in chapter 540. The image she had of Sasuke and her expression in chapter 540- looking depressed and like she was ill was decidedly not romantic. The moment was just a bad reminder that her memory of her feelings about Sasuke wasn't so easily rid of as she thought, and brought back the remnants of her childhood poor self-image- in this case, that she made a really bad choice about who she picked for her childhood crush. Not only was it one sided but he turned into this guy obsessed with hatred and vengeance on everyone- a self made monster. And that this guy was crushing on her like she had on Sasuke- not knowing anything about her, and having this false image of her just based on the most surface interactions.

I agree with the part about Sakura's confession, it seemed to me like her feelings for Sasuke were the only thing Naruto was concerned about. On top of that, her reaction when Naruto made his 'I hate people...' comment, sort of proved to me she was at least being honest about part of her confession. Kishi's 'honest girl' comment in the 2009 interview seems like further proof of that.
Also, I think it's interesting to note how that whole scene more or less revolved around Sakura. If Kishi was really trying to end the Naruto/Sakura pairing with that scene, he could have easily had Naruto actually reject her (I don't consider a roundabout "I hate you" as a rejection, considering he obviously doesn't hate Sakura). Or, as I like to bring up to NaruHina fans, Kishi could have at least dedicated one panel to the last girl who confessed her love to him. I've heard plenty of theories that Naruto 'rejected' Sakura's confession because he still had Hinata's fresh in his mind. Well, if that's true, then why didn't Naruto at least think about that last confession? After the Pein Arc, Naruto doesn't have one single thought about Hinata until 505, and even that's not very positive. Basically, Sakura's confession revolved around Sakura's feelings. Like usual, Hinata is just a by-stander in the main love triangle.

Now as to 539/540, I love your thoughts, but I'm sort of keeping a skeptical outlook on this whole thing until it's resolved. I think it's a definite possibility that, like you said, she was only reminded of her feelings for Sasuke by the guy's superficial crush on her, and she was referring to Naruto when she said, "There's someone else I love..." My only problem with that idea is, without any actual thought process (at least inner monologue) on Sakura's side, I'd like to think Kishimoto would at least understand how the scene looks to the general fandom. To be honest, I myself probably wouldn't have even thought of your conclusion if I didn't come to this site. Maybe Kishi's just trying to drag out the ships to keep fans interested, but I guess that disappoints me a little, as I'd like to think he's above that sort of thing. Oh well, I guess everyone loves money. *shrug* I just hope, if you are right, we receive a little bit of a follow-up to that scene to explain things more clearly. Putting myself in the shoes of an SS/NH fan, I imagine I would be pretty ticked if that was supposed to be the obvious conclusion from that scene, while never being elaborated upon.

The important thing though, in my opinion, is the bolded part of your statement. No matter what's going on right now, Sakura's feelings for Sasuke certainly aren't positive. Either way, if her feelings have already been resolved, or if she still has some hoops to jump through, I can only see one possible conclusion for the romantic subplot.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 30 July 2011 - 04:33 PM.

[Eva Chen]

When I first saw Hinata, I thought: is she blind or something? I was pitying her because of that, lol. I'm used to these eyes now, but when I try to imagine little Naruto with byakugan, it makes me feel creepy all over.

LOL, I thought she is blind too
imagine NH child is Neji with a blonde spiky hair wig

[Kagura]

LOL, I thought she is blind too
imagine NH child is Neji with a blonde spiky hair wig

[naruto-z]

@Boom. To me, the revelation that will ensue with the revealing of the truth is only the key to Kishi's redemption of Sasuke. I think this may be one of the few ways for not naruto or sakura but the rest of the villages to acknowledge him post mordem or afterwards. In the case of Sakura, I think before this reveal, Kishimoto will continue to increase her resolve in getting over Sasuke. Throughout part 2, Kishimoto has developed Sakura getting over sasuke just as much as her relationship with naruto. And for me, the definition of getting over someone is not running back to them after everythings over. If Kishimoto truly continues to develope Sakura's feelings correctly, Sasuke will be the last thing she wants. To be honest, and this is on a more personal opinion, when you get over someone, the last thing you want to do is go back to them. Sakura and everyone else will be shocked, we all were when we read it, but that is what I believe to be all that will happen.


And I was just thinking this through and I'm embarrassed that I haft realized this before. Maybe it's because I'm readig a manga or something but if you were to really think about the age they were all at when sakura loved sasuke it's almost ridiculous to think that those feelings are still there. I remember when I had a crush when I was at that age. Yeah, I seemed totally in love with the girl but I go over them pretty fast and by the time I turned 16 all tha was like a fairytale silly old crush. I mean just think about how young they really were and how most of us have had crushes when we were that young. And I'm sure most if not all of us just got over them. On Narutos case, by being with his childhood 12 year old crush an continuing to develope a friendship could only strengthen that crush into something more real. That's all I have to say about my big epiphany.

Edited by naruto-z, 31 July 2011 - 02:40 PM.

[Phantom_999]

The confession wasn't false. Kishimoto made that clear at Jump Festa 2009, and wrote Sai's dialogue in 474 to also make that clear. Naruto accepted the truth of her feelings for him in 470 when she was firm about it. Naruto made it clear there it wasn't her feelings for him that he knew she was fooling herself about, it was that she was 100% over Sasuke. No one said Sakura was consciously lying about anything to do with her romantic feelings, much less her feelings for Naruto. On the contrary, it was totally supported about her romantic feelings for Naruto. Naruto knows Sakura is in love with him now- thus his mental image of her in chapter 505. Her romantic feelings for Naruto are a positive for Sakura so much so that it's completely integrated into her life and normal personality- thus her first gentle neutral let down to the ninja with a crush on her in chapter 539.

It wasn't until he persisted in his unwanted declaration of love that she was reminded of her crush on Sasuke in chapter 540. The image she had of Sasuke and her expression in chapter 540- looking depressed and like she was ill was decidedly not romantic. The moment was just a bad reminder that her memory of her feelings about Sasuke wasn't so easily rid of as she thought, and brought back the remnants of her childhood poor self-image- in this case, that she made a really bad choice about who she picked for her childhood crush. Not only was it one sided but he turned into this guy obsessed with hatred and vengeance on everyone- a self made monster. And that this guy was crushing on her like she had on Sasuke- not knowing anything about her, and having this false image of her just based on the most surface interactions.

THIS is true but the only difference in opinion is that I feel she's more on the lines of confused about her feelings for Sasuke; on the one hand she loves Naruto and acknowledges how "off the edge" Sasuke has become and knows he needs to be stopped, however he's still her first crush so it's not that easy to forget about him. I mean has anyone here forgotten their first crush? I haven't trust me I don't obsess over it but I still think about her even though I haven't seen her in in almost 14 years and I still think about other crushes too. Anyways moving on, the general audience sees her confession as a lie and her thinking about Sasuke at 540 an indication she's still in love with him *shrugs* its just what they WANT to see and they're messing up Sakura's entire concept on Narutopedia. YES YES I know, I'm not believing what they put on there, and that site can change any c*** people set their mind to but remember info sites are influential if you put some thing on people just might believe it. SO the next NS scene needs to be absolute in establishing their relationship and If fans still thinks its just brother/ sister bonding, I'll shout "SO WHAT!!!??? THEY'RE NOT BLOOD RELATED, AND BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER AND HAVE MARRIED BEFORE IN THE PAST SO YOU ARE SUPPORTING NS EITHER WAY!!!!!!!!!!!! just to stick daggrers into their souls, plus to show how silly their notion is and it CAN works against them Oh by the way my new avatar is Asbel Lhant from Tales of graces; a really good looking guy right? here see for yourself http://img.neoseeker....php?caid=10795

Edited by Phantom_999, 31 July 2011 - 02:52 PM.

[Anguyen92]

THIS is true a_thumbs.gif but the only difference in opinion is that I feel she's more on the lines of confused about her feelings for Sasuke; on the one hand she loves Naruto and acknowledges how "off the edge" Sasuke has become and knows he needs to be stopped, however he's still her first crush so it's not that easy to forget about him. I mean has anyone here forgotten their first crush? I haven't happy.gif trust me I don't obsess over it but I still think about her even though I haven't seen her in in almost 14 years and I still think about other crushes too.

^^ To be honest, it's not really much the first crush that you love the most, it's the person you would really love to spend time with the most. And for that whole forgotten their first crush, that crush was the person I love spending time the most.

@Boom. To me, the revelation that will ensue with the revealing of the truth is only the key to Kishi's redemption of Sasuke. I think this may be one of the few ways for not naruto or sakura but the rest of the villages to acknowledge him post mordem or afterwards. In the case of Sakura, I think before this reveal, Kishimoto will continue to increase her resolve in getting over Sasuke. Throughout part 2, Kishimoto has developed Sakura getting over sasuke just as much as her relationship with naruto. And for me, the definition of getting over someone is not running back to them after everythings over. If Kishimoto truly continues to develope Sakura's feelings correctly, Sasuke will be the last thing she wants. To be honest, and this is on a more personal opinion, when you get over someone, the last thing you want to do is go back to them. Sakura and everyone else will be shocked, we all were when we read it, but that is what I believe to be all that will happen.

I agree, because after all of this is said and done, where would everyone go? I mean eventually she will get over Sasuke for real and that would be that. It's just that I, like everyone here, highly doubt that Sakura would go back to Sasuke which would, in my opinion, be the worst ending ever, but I highly doubt Kishi would troll and level us like that and if that actually did happen, Kishi would need a brain hemorage in order to write that, what would happen to Naruto and don't say Hinata.

Edited by anguyen92, 31 July 2011 - 02:53 PM.

[naruto-z]

THIS is true but the only difference in opinion is that I feel she's more on the lines of confused about her feelings for Sasuke; on the one hand she loves Naruto and acknowledges how "off the edge" Sasuke has become and knows he needs to be stopped, however he's still her first crush so it's not that easy to forget about him. I mean has anyone here forgotten their first crush? I haven't trust me I don't obsess over it but I still think about her even though I haven't seen her in in almost 14 years and I still think about other crushes too. Anyways moving on, the general audience sees her confession as a lie and her thinking about Sasuke at 540 an indication she's still in love with him *shrugs* its just what they WANT to see and they're messing up Sakura's entire concept on Narutopedia. YES YES I know, I'm not believing what they put on there, and that site can change any c*** people set their mind to but remember info sites are influential if you put some thing on people just might believe it. SO the next NS scene needs to be absolute in establishing their relationship and If fans still thinks its just brother/ sister bonding, I'll shout "SO WHAT!!!??? THEY'RE NOT BLOOD RELATED, AND BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER AND HAVE MARRIED BEFORE IN THE PAST SO YOU ARE SUPPORTING NS EITHER WAY!!!!!!!!!!!! just to stick daggrers into their souls, plus to show how silly their notion is and it CAN works against them

How old were you when you had your first crush. I editted my post above to add something so I won't rewrite it. But can you really say you still have feelings for an old crush when you were 12?

[Gravenimage]

How old were you when you had your first crush. I editted my post above to add something so I won't rewrite it. But can you really say you still have feelings for an old crush when you were 12?

I'll say especially when that crush NEVER paid attention to you and treated you like crap, calling you annoying and other things.