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[TouKen4Life3g]

But don't you think it's possible Naruto took care of all that already, during the Team 7 reunion? As you point out, Kakashi (and Sakura and everyone else) was ready to kill Sasuke because it was an expedient solution to their immediate problem. But Naruto basically squashed that entire line of reasoning by rising above it all, by affirming his intention to remain Sasuke's friend to the end, and take on all of Sasuke's hate while defending the village. I can't imagine Naruto could convey a stronger message to Kakashi than that one, and I doubt Kakashi has forgotten it already. If anything he's about to get the opportunity to apply the concept in his own life.

You made a good point. I can't really guarantee this but I just feel like Kishi is willing to do something about Naruto. At the very least, Kakashi will recollect everything from what Naruto did/told in the past and used the motivation to overcome it and we will see what happen between him and Obito.

Interesting you'd say this. I was thinking earlier today, about the possibility that Kishimoto might rekill a character that he's already killed once. It doesn't really seem Kishi's style, but you never know.

To be honest, I have considered the possibility that Kakashi will be the one to die again. There was something about the description of how Kamui works... it made me wonder if he and Obito might fight and use Kamui on each other, and end up marooned together in the dead zone or something, unable to get back. Sort of like that classic Star Trek episode where the two versions of Dr. Lazarus had to enter the corridor between the matter and antimatter universes at the same time, and then would be stuck there forever. Having got the idea from Naruto -- to take on all the misery of your best and die with him -- it might be something Kakashi would do.

I don't know. I'm probably just being paranoid.

Hmm. I always thought that in personal terms, it was Jiraiya's failures that Naruto would surpass -- by recovering his friend from the dark path and getting the girl. In leadership terms, he will surpass everyone and find the way to peace. Unless I'm not thinking clearly (it's very late and I'm tired), I don't think Kakashi has anything left for Naruto to surpass -- Kakashi himself has already admitted that Naruto has surpassed him.

Of course, that doesn't diminish Kakashi's importance to the team or the story, I'm just saying I don't think his final death would in any way ruin Naruto's character or success. Just my opinion.

Well, Jiraiya did point out the fact that he couldn't save his teacher and his student. Naruto already save both, but they need to live to the end. So I don't see it happening. Also, if Tsunade does die, then I don't think Kishi will have two deaths for Naruto and Sakura to suffer. I do believe that this is the hardest challenge that Kakashi will ever face. I'm not talking about power wise, I'm talking about as a whole. Obito is alive, Kakashi's past is crawling back to him, Obito knows Rin died, and now, he is the world's most wanted terrorist. That is a huge obstacle for him to overcome. We will wait and see how he will overcome it. In the end, Kakashi will come out strong, just matter of how it will go down. Naruto won't allow him to die that's for sure. It's all matter of time.

[PhenixElite]

You made a good point. I can't really guarantee this but I just feel like Kishi is willing to do something about Naruto. At the very least, Kakashi will recollect everything from what Naruto did/told in the past and used the motivation to overcome it and we will see what happen between him and Obito.


Well, Jiraiya did point out the fact that he couldn't save his teacher and his student. Naruto already save both, but they need to live to the end. So I don't see it happening. Also, if Tsunade does die, then I don't think Kishi will have two deaths for Naruto and Sakura to suffer. I do believe that this is the hardest challenge that Kakashi will ever face. I'm not talking about power wise, I'm talking about as a whole. Obito is alive, Kakashi's past is crawling back to him, Obito knows Rin died, and now, he is the world's most wanted terrorist. That is a huge obstacle for him to overcome. We will wait and see how he will overcome it. In the end, Kakashi will come out strong, just matter of how it will go down. Naruto won't allow him to die that's for sure. It's all matter of time.

I agree im sure kakashi is not going to die especially if tsunade dies. Also why making so much development for him now, if hes going to die afterwards. Hes also the last sensei naruto got left so. Beside kakashi died already it would be crap to do this again. It just wouldnt fit.

Only thing i doubt is that kakashis death would affect NS because surpassing jiraya isnt the only thing NS is build of

[TouKen4Life3g]

I agree im sure kakashi is not going to die especially if tsunade dies. Also why making so much development for him now, if hes going to die afterwards. Hes also the last sensei naruto got left so. Beside kakashi died already it would be crap to do this again. It just wouldnt fit.

Only thing i doubt is that kakashis death would affect NS because surpassing jiraya isnt the only thing NS is build of

Yeah, you're right about the last sentence. It's just that I want Naruto to surpass and correct the mistake from the past, including the ones who failed to carry on. Kakashi's death won't affect NS, but I do think the idea of correcting the mistake will be demolished. Jiraiya made it clear that he passed the torch to Naruto and wish for him to succeed everything that he couldn't. Kakashi is Naruto's sensei and I think Naruto would not let him die because he's Team 7 and he's the only sensei that he don't want to lose. If Tsunade dies, it will affect both Naruto and Sakura. I know there are more people but point is, these two will get that effect. Naruto will have more reasons to have grudge against Madara. Sakura won't get that strong to beat him of course, but a lot of things will happen to her.

[Codus N]

Yes! I do have a fantasy an interest in seeing Kakashi and Shizune get together. I wish I had time to write the story that's in my head, but between NS and Gaara all my free writing time is taken.

I like your reasoning for a Kakashi/Shizune relationship. Besides what you've mentioned, another aspect I like is their shared experience of being killed and resurrected by Pain. I imagine that sort of common ground could lead to a deep and natural bond.

And Shizune may soon find her life a lot... emptier. She may need a strong shoulder to cry on.



I'd say Naruto already has saved him. I think that point was settled during Kakashi's meeting with his father. Kakashi will be shaken by Obito's return, no question, but I'm not sold on the idea that he's going to crumble into a million pieces that only Naruto can glue back together.

Don't get me wrong; I understand that Naruto is the story's savior. But he lacks practical life experience. His power of persuasion and hope lies in his boundless energy and naïveté. What perspective can he share that Kakashi doesn't already know? What intense, never-give-up speech can he give that Kakashi hasn't already heard and taken to heart before? How many times can Kishimoto rely purely on Naruto's simple logic and bravado to convert people or restore their faith? I wonder.

Depending on how the details turn out, it could be that Kakashi and Obito's story will have an equal if not greater affect on Naruto's perspective -- including his love for Sakura and his friendship with Sasuke -- than his reaction will have on either of them. Just a thought.

No offense, and I don't wanna be obnoxious, but.... your other reasoning for KakaShizu sounds weak compared to mine. If that was the reasoning they should get together, shouldn't Kakashi just hook up with a random person that died during Pain invasion??

On the other part of your post, I agree. I think, that this time Naruto's talk no jutsu won't be as effective as the other times he's done it. He may be able to nudge him a little, but that's it. This is because they don't have much in common that Naruto can use to help him. This way, Kakashi's character development will be much more meaningful because Kakashi character would grow on his own merits. Not by the help of others.

Lastly, while I sort of ship KakaShizu, I kind of hope that Kishi will make that filler girl, Hanare from Shippuden 191 canon.

I never count on her to have a plot armor. Sorry to say it that way. The reason why I said Kakashi will live is two things:

1) He is part of Team 7 and main character.

2) It will ruin Naruto's character in terms of surpassing.

I do take Jiraiya's words seriously, because it's obvious to be seen as a compare/contrast with Naruto. If Naruto loses Kakashi, then he fails to go against the odd that Jiraiya already failed. If that happens, then start worrying for him not being with Sakura. I will bet you that Kakashi will survive this. Mark my word.

Actually, he did save him once. So, that technically counts, right??

But don't you think it's possible Naruto took care of all that already, during the Team 7 reunion? As you point out, Kakashi (and Sakura and everyone else) was ready to kill Sasuke because it was an expedient solution to their immediate problem. But Naruto basically squashed that entire line of reasoning by rising above it all, by affirming his intention to remain Sasuke's friend to the end, and take on all of Sasuke's hate while defending the village. I can't imagine Naruto could convey a stronger message to Kakashi than that one, and I doubt Kakashi has forgotten it already. If anything he's about to get the opportunity to apply the concept in his own life.


Interesting you'd say this. I was thinking earlier today, about the possibility that Kishimoto might rekill a character that he's already killed once. It doesn't really seem Kishi's style, but you never know.

To be honest, I have considered the possibility that Kakashi will be the one to die again. There was something about the description of how Kamui works... it made me wonder if he and Obito might fight and use Kamui on each other, and end up marooned together in the dead zone or something -- cancel each other out and be unable to get back. Sort of like that classic Star Trek episode where the two versions of Dr. Lazarus had to enter the corridor between the matter and antimatter universes at the same time, and then would be stuck there forever. Having got the idea from Naruto -- to take on all the misery of your best friend and die with him -- it might be something Kakashi would do.

I don't know. I'm probably just being paranoid.

I very much agree. That would probably be the most likely option Kakashi will go with. I've thought that Kakashi might likely use the Shiki Fuujin on Obito and Madara, but if that happens, that kinda defeats the build-up of Madara vs Naruto. So, your theory with Kamui might be the most likely option Kishi will go with. It would also fit very well with Kakashi's character. In order to atone for all of his "sins", Kakashi will likely pull a suicide murder with Obito.

I could see him telling the Kages that, in order to make up for all of his mistakes that he made to the world, he would sacrifice his life to make up for it. It'd be tragic, and I'm dreading it as well .

[TouKen4Life3g]

Actually, he did save him once. So, that technically counts, right??

Well, I did address it earlier. He was saved once, but the point is to have him to live to the end. That way it will prove that Naruto has done the impossible or something that people has failed before. I still don't think he will die. Naruto won't allow it and it will hurt his character for not saving people or keeping it in order.

[PhenixElite]

Yeah, you're right about the last sentence. It's just that I want Naruto to surpass and correct the mistake from the past, including the ones who failed to carry on. Kakashi's death won't affect NS, but I do think the idea of correcting the mistake will be demolished. Jiraiya made it clear that he passed the torch to Naruto and wish for him to succeed everything that he couldn't. Kakashi is Naruto's sensei and I think Naruto would not let him die because he's Team 7 and he's the only sensei that he don't want to lose. If Tsunade dies, it will affect both Naruto and Sakura. I know there are more people but point is, these two will get that effect. Naruto will have more reasons to have grudge against Madara. Sakura won't get that strong to beat him of course, but a lot of things will happen to her.

Of course kakashis death would make a big part of surpassing jiraya missing. I mean it wouldnt affect NS but i mean naruto will suceed in every part where jiraya failed because it would be weired if hes getting everything jiraya couldnt and then one thing is missing(saving his sensei).

I say he should get the whole thing not only parts of it.
Thats why iam 99% sure that kakashi will survive.

Also what would guy do without kakashi!?

[HalfStarStudios]

Kakashi will live, no doubt about that. Wanna know who will die though? Gai. I'm willing to bet on that.

[Anguyen92]

Kakashi will live, no doubt about that. Wanna know who will die though? Gai. I'm willing to bet on that.

Wait, why does Gai have to be the sacrificing goat to all of this? Is it because he is the last good connection to Kakashi, so him dying would stir some pretty deep stuff?

[T XD]

Gai ? Dying ? It doesn't seem like it but who knows in these matters cause there will be some deaths in this fight, at least for some members of the alliance.

Edited by T XD, 05 October 2012 - 03:49 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think it's kakashi that is going to die along with Obito.

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Sasuke will kill him

Edited by dovahkiin, 05 October 2012 - 04:13 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Gai dying would be bad!! Hes the funniest character of the manga!!

[Sojobo]

Hi everyone,


I don't think Gai will die, even if there is a possibility.
Kakashi seems to be the best choice with Obito.
Sasuke ? I don't think he would kill Kakashi. He's different than before.


Anyway, I agree with most people here who says that Obito's story will have a great impact on NaruSaku.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think Gai will die, but perhaps close to it. He could be one piece of Kakashi waking up. Gai is alone in this fight because Kakashi is really lost and he's having a mental breakdown. Funny, if only it happened before Team 7 reunion, perhaps Kakashi could talk to him a little more better. After all, they are similar as noted by Gai.

Yeah, what would Gai do if Kakashi dies? He will be "No more rival!" and stuff. But seriously, I'm willing to bet that Kakashi won't die. That's my decision and sticking to it.

Obito's story does have a good impact on NaruSaku. If Kakashi truly did what he did in the end of the last chapter, perhaps he will warn Naruto that it can happen to him. Naruto may have a good heart, but witnessing his team going down because one best friend kills his lover is incredibly hard to watch. Naruto was already breaking down when he had conflicted issue with Sakura trying to make him hate her forever for killing Sasuke. He grown out of that, but what would happen if he witness Sakura's death by Sasuke. How will he react? We all have a key to unlock our darkness; it's only matter of when.

[T XD]

I think if Kakashi died, Gai will open the 7th gate of his power, though I don't remember what's called. It may be a chance for us seeing him in this level.

[PhenixElite]

Obito's story does have a good impact on NaruSaku. If Kakashi truly did what he did in the end of the last chapter, perhaps he will warn Naruto that it can happen to him. Naruto may have a good heart, but witnessing his team going down because one best friend kills his lover is incredibly hard to watch. Naruto was already breaking down when he had conflicted issue with Sakura trying to make him hate her forever for killing Sasuke. He grown out of that, but what would happen if he witness Sakura's death by Sasuke. How will he react? We all have a key to unlock our darkness; it's only matter of when.
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Hmmm! I dont really think about that cause i know sakuras not going to die, just because of narutos reaction if that happens. It would be hard for kishi to draw smth. like that. Also Sakura or Naruto dying would destroy the whole story so why think about bad things like this

I also had a theorie about sasuke becoming good, but beeing a wanderer and asking sakura to come with her, but she decides to stay by naruto cause she realizes that shes in love with him.
Would be also nice.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hmmm! I dont really think about that cause i know sakuras not going to die, just because of narutos reaction if that happens. It would be hard for kishi to draw smth. like that. Also Sakura or Naruto dying would destroy the whole story so why think about bad things like this

I also had a theorie about sasuke becoming good, but beeing a wanderer and asking sakura to come with her, but she decides to stay by naruto cause she realizes that shes in love with him.
Would be also nice.

Well, I wouldn't say it will happen to him, but the idea is there. Or at least for now, it was. Then again, they don't know Sasuke is "calm" because the last impression is that he's a psycho. We will see them fight of course, no doubt about it. Anyway, I don't think Sakura will die or something some sort, but my point is that Kakashi will tell him that story and Naruto will be more determined to protect Sakura, which he's already doing, and not having Sasuke killing any of them. He won't allow any mistake like Kakashi has done in the past. I feel that Kakashi's story and Tsunade's death (if she really does die) will cause Naruto and Sakura to heavily protect each other. Sakura might have a sad conversation with Naruto before going against Sasuke like she don't want to lose him.

As for the theory, yeah that can happen. I would say Naruto might suspect that Sakura will go with him, so he will leave them alone. To his surprise, he will see Sakura coming back to him and questioned why. Then, us audience will realize that Sakura has officially moved on and Naruto's confession will come next.

P.S.: I think I'm being trolled in NF...

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 October 2012 - 05:40 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Well, I wouldn't say it will happen to him, but the idea is there. Or at least for now, it was. Then again, they don't know Sasuke is "calm" because the last impression is that he's a psycho. We will see them fight of course, no doubt about it. Anyway, I don't think Sakura will die or something some sort, but my point is that Kakashi will tell him that story and Naruto will be more determined to protect Sakura, which he's already doing, and not having Sasuke killing any of them. He won't allow any mistake like Kakashi has done in the past. I feel that Kakashi's story and Tsunade's death (if she really does die) will cause Naruto and Sakura to heavily protect each other. Sakura might have a sad conversation with Naruto before going against Sasuke like she don't want to lose him.

As for the theory, yeah that can happen. I would say Naruto might suspect that Sakura will go with him, so he will leave them alone. To his surprise, he will see Sakura coming back to him and questioned why. Then, us audience will realize that Sakura has officially moved on and Naruto's confession will come next.

Yep! There are so many ways how the confession or the realization of her feelings is going to be. I hope its one of them i think of.

Why trolled???

Edited by PhenixElite, 05 October 2012 - 05:45 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yep! There are so many ways how the confession or the realization of her feelings is going to be. I hope its one of them i think of.

Why trolled???

Indeed. There is so many possibilities.

Why trolled? Well I have a person who is PMing me, who happened to be SasuSaku fan due to his name. However, he said he doesn't like SasuSaku and NaruHina. Then why the name? He told me he's there to play. I don't buy it for now. I will leave him alone after 2 more.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

P.S.: I think I'm being trolled in NF...

There are trolls on NF?

Edited by dovahkiin, 05 October 2012 - 05:57 PM.

[T XD]

P.S.: I think I'm being trolled in NF...

Leave NF. Debating with them doesn't work, I saw how they debate and sometimes it's very rabid. They'll stick to what they're saying no matter what till the end and after it too.

Edited by T XD, 05 October 2012 - 06:12 PM.