Summoning Master
Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:09 AM
I don't really agree that it should be Sakura that should do it as I think she would of learnt from her mistake in bridge incident and would know how Naruto would feel if she got injured or killed.
That's a good point, yeah, but she couldn't help herself back then. Maybe she couldn't help herself now, either? They did go out of their way to show that she wasn't even aware of the situation, so that was avoided.
H&E Interpol Agent
Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:38 AM
Honestly you could replace Hinata with Konohamaru instead for the Pain scene given the fact he already been established in the arc when he took on one of the sixth paths, you could have him been cocky because it and he wants to save his hero Naruto, only to end up in same manner hinata is in the manga causing naruto rage and guilt that his semi student/admire is possibly dead because of him.
That idea would've been way more interesting to look, instead of putting Hinata in the position (I wonder if it was one of those "Hinata-crazed" editors who suggested Masashi to add her out of the blue). Konohamaru would've gotten some more screentime to pull that stunt. But you know who would've been the better choice? Iruka. I swear, if he had done a stunt like that, it will bring tears to the entire fandom (those who had common sense) and more dramatic for the right reason because Iruka is Naruto's "family". Plus the scene would've made sense for Naruto become enrage as the six tails.
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Summoning Master
Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:40 AM
That idea would've been way more interesting to look, instead of putting Hinata in the position (I wonder if it was one of those "Hinata-crazed" editors who suggested Masashi to add her out of the blue). Konohamaru would've gotten some more screentime to pull that stunt. But you know who would've been the better choice? Iruka. I swear, if he had done a stunt like that, it will bring tears to the entire fandom (those who had common sense) and more dramatic for the right reason because Iruka is Naruto's "family". Plus the scene would've made sense for Naruto become enrage as the six tails.
Yes. Absolutely. You win. Why the hell didn't he do that? Iruka never gets to do ANYTHING after chapter freaking 1. You can say he's not strong enough, but we're comparing him to Hinata here.
Edited by DrK, 16 February 2018 - 12:41 AM.
H&E Interpol Agent
Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:47 AM
Yes. Absolutely. You win. Why the hell didn't he do that? Iruka never gets to do ANYTHING after chapter freaking 1. You can say he's not strong enough, but we're comparing him to Hinata here.
Because, as I said, someone or some people, behind the scenes, wants Hinata front and center. But the only thing that will stop the idea is what would've be the motive for Iruka to jump in at the time. Obviously, it would've been take the rods out of Naruto as quickly as possible before Pain makes the fatal strike. And Hinata could've been the observer instead of sudden random Hyuga appearing and jumping in selfishly because of her addiction of "Naruto-kun and his package." 
Flashback, well, I think that line from War arc saying that Naruto is like a brother to him would've play here.
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Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:28 AM
Because, as I said, someone or some people, behind the scenes, wants Hinata front and center. But the only thing that will stop the idea is what would've be the motive for Iruka to jump in at the time. Obviously, it would've been take the rods out of Naruto as quickly as possible before Pain makes the fatal strike. And Hinata could've been the observer instead of sudden random Hyuga appearing and jumping in selfishly because of her addiction of "Naruto-kun and his package."
Flashback, well, I think that line from War arc saying that Naruto is like a brother to him would've play here.
Simple solution: Iruka sees himself as a surogate father. It would only be natural to have Iruka say to Naruto: "Although I never got tell you, I always felt like you could have been my own son." Then he dies or gets hurt badly and Naruto flips the kitten out. Remember how mad Harry was when Sirius was killed because, as Harry put it, he had a chance for a real life with a real family member of his fathers and it was taken away from.
Sirius made him happy and felt like he had a home for once. He felt like he finally belonged and it was taken away from him. Ripped from him by Belletrax. Pein it would have been no different.
This would have been a good explanation, if Kishimoto did it right, to explain how Naruto got taken care of growing up as a baby. He was put under Iruka's care. It would have solved so many problems so easily and made a bigger impact than Hinata. Hell, you could have even made Jiriaya die at that moment.
Magnificient Bastard (aka Cliffhanger Bastard!)
Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:38 AM
Simple solution: Iruka sees himself as a surogate father. It would only be natural to have Iruka say to Naruto: "Although I never got tell you, I always felt like you could have been my own son." Then he dies or gets hurt badly and Naruto flips the kitten out. Remember how mad Harry was when Sirius was killed because, as Harry put it, he had a chance for a real life with a real family member of his fathers and it was taken away from.
Sirius made him happy and felt like he had a home for once. He felt like he finally belonged and it was taken away from him. Ripped from him by Belletrax. Pein it would have been no different.
This would have been a good explanation, if Kishimoto did it right, to explain how Naruto got taken care of growing up as a baby. He was put under Iruka's care. It would have solved so many problems so easily and made a bigger impact than Hinata. Hell, you could have even made Jiriaya die at that moment.
Yeah, and we saw a similar parallel with Jiraiya's death, and how Iruka helped Naruto when he was down and out, even if he wasn't 100% after that, so using Iruka to do that would have been pretty intense, since we know even if he worried for Naruto, he did believe in him as well, and also knew what he was fully capable of more than it was let on. He and Sakura especially knew what Naruto was capable of deep down, even if it wasn't always shown.
Special Jounin
Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:40 AM
Because, as I said, someone or some people, behind the scenes, wants Hinata front and center. But the only thing that will stop the idea is what would've be the motive for Iruka to jump in at the time. Obviously, it would've been take the rods out of Naruto as quickly as possible before Pain makes the fatal strike. And Hinata could've been the observer instead of sudden random Hyuga appearing and jumping in selfishly because of her addiction of "Naruto-kun and his package."
Flashback, well, I think that line from War arc saying that Naruto is like a brother to him would've play here.
Aside from when she confessed her love and died, was she ever front and center?
Heaven and Earth Deity
Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:44 AM
Aside from when she confessed her love and died, was she ever front and center?
Naruto the Last or should I said "Hinata the first and only thing SP cares about."
Magnificient Bastard (aka Cliffhanger Bastard!)
Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:49 AM
Naruto the Last or should I said "Hinata the first and only thing SP cares about."
And where everything you knew about Naruto is crapped on just to cater to a small fan base. XD
Special Jounin
Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:18 AM
And where everything you knew about Naruto is crapped on just to cater to a small fan base. XD
This is what happens when you leave shippers in charge. SP must be filled with NH shippers if this is what happened. There's no conceivable path from a story progression stand point that has anything other than Naruto and Sakura. I hate shippers so much sometimes...
Mercenary
Posted 16 February 2018 - 10:22 AM
Or heck, a random villager(s) who admits that he was wrong about Naruto and begs for forgiveness and such would have been FAR more meaningful than Hinatatas and her admitted selfish confession born from lost hope and faith in Naruto.
Summoning Master
Posted 16 February 2018 - 10:42 AM
It was so damn ridiculous how Hinata actually put up a fight vs Pain in the anime. Deva Path vs a single Taijutsu user, who isn't even that strong or fast, and it took him what, an entire minute to incapacitate her?
H&E Interpol Agent
Posted 16 February 2018 - 02:16 PM
It was so damn ridiculous how Hinata actually put up a fight vs Pain in the anime. Deva Path vs a single Taijutsu user, who isn't even that strong or fast, and it took him what, an entire minute to incapacitate her?
And it got worse in the anime. Nothing but worthless filler flashback of trying to bring sympathy to Hinata. First making her a loli in her childhood, but then have her bullied out of nowhere because her "fans" and certain Studio Pierrot workers somehow thought that Sakura wasn't important enough for that type of situation, not to mention ignoring her status (and manga facts) as. A. Hyuga. The only thing was correct was that she was ignore by her father because of her kindness/shy personality. All of it to somehow to make a legitimate claim on how she began to crush on Naruto. Then when we get back to the action, 5 minutes of filler animation where we fans dubbed her as "Sailor Hinata" to the point her hair was shiny.
What's even worse, The Last replicated that same damn filler flashback with hardly any changes.
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Special Jounin
Posted 16 February 2018 - 03:14 PM
And it got worse in the anime. Nothing but worthless filler flashback of trying to bring sympathy to Hinata. First making her a loli in her childhood, but then have her bullied out of nowhere because her "fans" and certain Studio Pierrot workers somehow thought that Sakura wasn't important enough for that type of situation, not to mention ignoring her status (and manga facts) as. A. Hyuga. The only thing was correct was that she was ignore by her father because of her kindness/shy personality. All of it to somehow to make a legitimate claim on how she began to crush on Naruto. Then when we get back to the action, 5 minutes of filler animation where we fans dubbed her as "Sailor Hinata" to the point her hair was shiny.
What's even worse, The Last replicated that same damn filler flashback with hardly any changes.
So they needed filler to justify their pairing and it's still nowhere near enough.
Missing-nin
Posted 16 February 2018 - 03:46 PM
It was so damn ridiculous how Hinata actually put up a fight vs Pain in the anime. Deva Path vs a single Taijutsu user, who isn't even that strong or fast, and it took him what, an entire minute to incapacitate her?
In the anime they make it so that Nagato cough blood and make Pein lost consciousness for few second so that Hinata can land one blow on him. The fight also longer .... in the manga she charge at Pein and Pein hit her once and she instantly got owned on the floor , but in the anime she charged at Pein but Pein dodge and she got hit couple of time but still able to keep fighting , in the manga she fight Pein in one page but in the anime she fight Pein for a few minutes. Bottom line is in this moment when you compare the manga and the anime you could see the ABSURDLY AMOUT OF BIAS SP put into Hinata to make it even more dramatic.
An out of control man needs a strong woman to control him.
And even a violent woman will become soft and tender to the man she love.
Summoning Master
Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:02 PM
In the anime they make it so that Nagato cough blood and make Pein lost consciousness for few second so that Hinata can land one blow on him. The fight also longer .... in the manga she charge at Pein and Pein hit her once and she instantly got owned on the floor , but in the anime she charged at Pein but Pein dodge and she got hit couple of time but still able to keep fighting , in the manga she fight Pein in one page but in the anime she fight Pein for a few minutes. Bottom line is in this moment when you compare the manga and the anime you could see the ABSURDLY AMOUT OF BIAS SP put into Hinata to make it even more dramatic.
How does a Chunin put up a fight against an opponent that's on a tier above Kage? Hinata is like a regular civilian to him. This was an opponent who blew up the whole village with 1 jutsu. She only even got to speak in the manga because he wanted Naruto to be emotionally devastated.
Edited by DrK, 16 February 2018 - 04:03 PM.
Legendary Ninja
Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:38 PM
How does a Chunin put up a fight against an opponent that's on a tier above Kage? Hinata is like a regular civilian to him. This was an opponent who blew up the whole village with 1 jutsu. She only even got to speak in the manga because he wanted Naruto to be emotionally devastated.
Hinata was used as a plot foil in the Pain arc, and Neji was used as the plot foil in the end.
If Hinata died in the Pain arc, nothing in Naruto's story would have changed. But because Neji died, they use that as the excuse for pushing Hinata into Naruto. But really it's the same — Neji's death should have no impact whatsoever on the future trajectory of Naruto's life. Both art plot foils.
Imagine if Sakura died. Or Sai. Or Kakashi. Or Iruka. Just like Jiraiya, these people had a meaningful positive impact on Naruto's life. The flashbacks are of memories where those people interacted with Naruto.
However, for Hinata, there are no flashbacks with Naruto because they literally never interacted. And for Neji, the only flashbacks are from the chunin exam where Naruto went after him for being a jerk. Sure, Naruto won and changed Neji's mind, but being an obstacle in a fight is a far cry from having some kind of teammate bond.
Early in the manga, Neji is shown as being aloof and supremely skilled. More on Sasuke's level. Neji was shown to be fierce, aloof, and complex in his hatred of his clan yet loyalty to it — but by the end, he was homogenized to a squeaky-clean version of himself, a formerly fierce shinobi who was 'happy' to die for Naruto, the ninja who was now so far above every other flipping ninja alive.
Neji's death was a waste. If he'd been kept in his part one character, then he should have been caught off guard and disappointed in himself. Not dying the way Hinata tried to kill herself in the Pain arc — by defending a nin who didn't need to be defended.
Summoning Master
Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:46 PM
Neji's death was a waste. If he'd been kept in his part one character, then he should have been caught off guard and disappointed in himself. Not dying the way Hinata tried to kill herself in the Pain arc — by defending a nin who didn't need to be defended.
Yeah, what they did to Neji was awful as well. Not as awful as what they did to Naruto and Sakura, but still awful. Neji is the best non-team 7 character of the K11 with the exception of maybe Shikamaru. And they kill him over this crap? You didn't even need to kill him to put Naruto with Hinata. Instead you should have killed Sakura. That way, Sakura would not have been ruined, and Neji would still be alive. It's a win win. Plus you can then put Sasuke with Karin as he should be. It's a triple win. These people who caused the manga to be ruined over Hinata hated Sakura anyways, so why not kill her?
Magnificient Bastard (aka Cliffhanger Bastard!)
Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:49 PM
Hinata was used as a plot foil in the Pain arc, and Neji was used as the plot foil in the end.
If Hinata died in the Pain arc, nothing in Naruto's story would have changed. But because Neji died, they use that as the excuse for pushing Hinata into Naruto. But really it's the same — Neji's death should have no impact whatsoever on the future trajectory of Naruto's life. Both art plot foils.
Imagine if Sakura died. Or Sai. Or Kakashi. Or Iruka. Just like Jiraiya, these people had a meaningful positive impact on Naruto's life. The flashbacks are of memories where those people interacted with Naruto.
However, for Hinata, there are no flashbacks with Naruto because they literally never interacted. And for Neji, the only flashbacks are from the chunin exam where Naruto went after him for being a jerk. Sure, Naruto won and changed Neji's mind, but being an obstacle in a fight is a far cry from having some kind of teammate bond.
Early in the manga, Neji is shown as being aloof and supremely skilled. More on Sasuke's level. Neji was shown to be fierce, aloof, and complex in his hatred of his clan yet loyalty to it — but by the end, he was homogenized to a squeaky-clean version of himself, a formerly fierce shinobi who was 'happy' to die for Naruto, the ninja who was now so far above every other flipping ninja alive.
Neji's death was a waste. If he'd been kept in his part one character, then he should have been caught off guard and disappointed in himself. Not dying the way Hinata tried to kill herself in the Pain arc — by defending a nin who didn't need to be defended.
And not to mention what sucks a lot also about Neji's death is how it also reverses character development Naruto had when he lost Jiraiya to Nagato/Pain earlier in the series, as James had said earlier, and for what? Pushing him and Hinata together and which served no real good purpose except to destroy the series too.
It's a shame that Neji had to become like he was in the end to justify an unhappy ending that is still just the biggest piece of crap that all manga has seen and still remains one of my top endings in anime and manga to utterly disappoint me to the point I want to just rip something apart!
Special Jounin
Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:56 PM
Neji's death was a waste. If he'd been kept in his part one character, then he should have been caught off guard and disappointed in himself. Not dying the way Hinata tried to kill herself in the Pain arc — by defending a nin who didn't need to be defended.
That it was. He should have ended up with Tenten. XD
Edited by jak123, 16 February 2018 - 04:56 PM.
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