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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

And she held Naruto's heart, literally, in her hands. It's actually hilarious now that I come to think of it. You had extreme symbolism in both cases, and got a result that made both of them meaningless.

 

No kidding!

[DrK]

There's also the point that I brought up in the OP of my thread about how Sakura has a scar on her arm caused by bijuu chakra that she got trying to protect Naruto's happiness, while Naruto has Chidori scars that he got trying to protect Sakura's happiness. At some point, you realize that everything is just so messed up, that it stops being offensive, and becomes, admittedly, pretty funny. It's just absurd.

Edited by DrK, 14 February 2018 - 06:14 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I don't know if I would call what they ultimately did "impractical". Really, it wasn't. Kishimoto tried to do some pathetic moments in the war arc to set it up. He however, failed to actually sink NS at the same time, so it ended up looking horrible. But it wasn't impractical. It was just bad.

No, Hinata jumping in front of Pein to supposedly confess her feelings to Naruto in an effort to save Naruto was totally impratical. What's the point? It didn't help save Naruto, it didn't stop Pein from nearly killing her and taking Naruto, it was highly inappropriate given the situation and it solved nothing. So...impratical. Not sensible. Illogical. Hinata should have died on the spot. Hell, Pein should have flattened her even before she began to talk. Like a few other have said, the plot hit the brakes hard JUST to give HInata this "moment" that served nothing. Not even in the later story was this moment ever brought up for any kind of significance. So, impratical.

So how is Naruto and Hinata getting a divorce impratical? It happens all the time in real life. Parents fall out of love with each other, they split, and they get joint custody. Sure, it would create more family drama, but at least the drama would be understandable this time unlike the entire concept of SS and their issues. At least then, Boruto would have an understanding on why his father never wants to be home....Naruto is miserable so he drowns himself in work. Boruto begins to question why did he marry their mother and have kids then and Naruto has a moment of reflection on realizing that he doesn't know why. He just did it because people told him to. Because he was told that it was the best for him and it would not be a lie. This is a hell of alot more interesting than Boruto trying to figure out how a USB scroll drive works or why a scientist is making technology that really has no purpose in a NINJA SOCIETY.

Not only is this a completely practical story, but it happens in real life every single day and it is something that not very many stories touch upon. What happens after the fairy tale is over? Well, not everyone gets to live happily ever after.

So perhaps a new word should be used here rather than "impratical."

The real word you want to use is "counterproductive." As in Naruto and Hinata getting a divorce is counterproductive to the idea that they want to show NH as a happy family.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 14 February 2018 - 07:02 PM.

[DrK]

No, Hinata jumping in front of Pein to supposedly confess her feelings to Naruto in an effort to save Naruto was totally impratical. What's the point? It didn't help save Naruto, it didn't stop Pein from nearly killing her and taking Naruto, it was highly inappropriate given the situation and it solved nothing. So...impratical. Not sensible. Illogical. Hinata should have died on the spot. Hell, Pein should have flattened her even before she began to talk. Like a few other have said, the plot hit the brakes hard JUST to give HInata this "moment" that served nothing. Not even in the later story was this moment ever brought up for any kind of significance. So, impratical.

So how is Naruto and Hinata getting a divorce impratical? 

I didn't really consider that part, but it really did solve nothing. It never gets referenced again and she didn't help anything. Though, despite it being useless both narratively and in terms of the battle, I can't imagine NH happening without it. That really was the one scene that destroyed the entire manga.

 

But it's not impractical in terms of it couldn't happen in the universe that Boruto exists in. It just doesn't really make sense for them to shift focus to it. It would be highly counterproductive as you said.

 

But that show sucks, so maybe their formula should change. What is the entertainment value in watching a happy family, a family that people want to see happy, at least, that's not actually happy?

Edited by DrK, 14 February 2018 - 07:12 PM.

[jak123]

I didn't really consider that part, but it really did solve nothing. It never gets referenced again and she didn't help anything. Though, despite it being useless both narratively and in terms of the battle, I can't imagine NH happening without it. That really was the one scene that destroyed the entire manga.

 

But it's not impractical in terms of it couldn't happen in the universe that Boruto exists in. It just doesn't really make sense for them to shift focus to it. It would be highly counterproductive as you said.

 

But that show sucks, so maybe their formula should change. What is the entertainment value in watching a happy family, a family that people want to see happy, at least, that's not actually happy?

Weird part is that despite Hinata confessing her love to Naruto during the Pein fight, nothing really came of it. Naruto didn't think anything of it really and when the fight was done, it was Sakura who he was embracing, not Hinata.

[Gravenimage]

We can't forget when Hinata said after the war ends" I will stop" as in I will stop chasing you. This was the biggest Kishi could give that he wasn't going with NH. 

[Yyubie]

We can't forget when Hinata said after the war ends" I will stop" as in I will stop chasing you. This was the biggest Kishi could give that he wasn't going with NH. 

Misleading .... that is a good way to drop a bomb where you think you saved , and he did successfully with his sneak attack.

[jak123]

Misleading .... that is a good way to drop a bomb where you think you saved , and he did successfully with his sneak attack.

Misleading if Hinata was actually prominent. Bad writing because she wasn't. 

[Yyubie]

Half of me think that every NS scene in war arc is a preparation for the ending , is like .... :"Hey it's okay i'm not gonna hurt you come here" , and then when you come near him he stab you in the heart with a knife.

[jak123]

Half of me think that every NS scene in war arc is a preparation for the ending , is like .... :"Hey it's okay i'm not gonna hurt you come here" , and then when you come near him he stab you in the heart with a knife.

I've said it before. Up until the last chapter, I really thought it was going to be Sakura and Naruto. Makes no sense otherwise.

[Phantom_999]

Up to this day it doesn't make sense, that is why we are all upset here

[jak123]

Up to this day it doesn't make sense, that is why we are all upset here

True true. It's funny, I've never seen some huge a list of reasons that these 2 characters should have ended up together besides Naruto and Sakura. Most canon pairings make sense to me. This is probably the biggest story that doesn't for me.

[DrK]

True true. It's funny, I've never seen some huge a list of reasons that these 2 characters should have ended up together besides Naruto and Sakura. Most canon pairings make sense to me. This is probably the biggest story that doesn't for me.

Well, the list of reasons why the characters that did end up together should have is at least good for a laugh. You get to hear things like "It was so great how Sakura stayed true to her feelings", when she didn't, and went way out of her way to betray Sasuke emotionally. And "Hinata was the one who supported Naruto the most", when she wasn't. 

Edited by DrK, 15 February 2018 - 01:17 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I didn't really consider that part, but it really did solve nothing. It never gets referenced again and she didn't help anything. Though, despite it being useless both narratively and in terms of the battle, I can't imagine NH happening without it. That really was the one scene that destroyed the entire manga.

 

But it's not impractical in terms of it couldn't happen in the universe that Boruto exists in. It just doesn't really make sense for them to shift focus to it. It would be highly counterproductive as you said.

 

But that show sucks, so maybe their formula should change. What is the entertainment value in watching a happy family, a family that people want to see happy, at least, that's not actually happy?

It's funny that you mention this because it is like saying the only way for Hinata's scenes to be pratical is merely to push NH to the forfront. This only proves that the ending of Naruto was merely a pairing fodder propaganda.

From a story standpoint, and you mention this quite a few times, all of Hinata's scenes could easily be removed or replaced with someone else and the story would still work. Sure, slight changes here and there to make it flow better, but otherwise nothing would have been lost. Hinata herself is an impratical character. Her only purpose to the Naruto fandom is to be Naruto's love interest. She has nothing to do with the Sasuke's plot, nothing to do with Naruto's plot, and she had nothing to do with the plot in general. She doesn't advance the plot in any way and in fact does the extreme opposite of slowing the plot down. She forces the plot to hit the brakes hard.

Alot of people believed that, without Hinata, Naruto would not have survived Pein, but we know this is a garbage argument. How many other battles has Naruto survived without Hinata needing to be there? Exactly, so to assume that Hinata's presence alters the story that much is giving her far too much credit than she deserves. Her presence and marriage to Naruto didn't stop Toneri nor did it stop the events in the Boruto movie. It didn't stop anything else from happening in Naruto's life other than being with Sakura. The only thing Hinata stopped was Naruto being happy with the real girl he wanted to be with. All it stopped was that Naruto had redirect his focus to "save her."

Hinata is an impratical character and we knew this since day one. Kishimoto even knew this since day one because he didn't involve her with most of the conflict. The only reason why he added her more was because he knew they were making her be with Naruto in the end (After all Naruto the Last in production 2 years before the manga ended), so they forced his hand to give her more focus that wasn't necessary like Neji's death and such and again copying everything Naruto has already done with Sakura and Sasuke. How covenient that all of HInata's scenes are just rehases of everything Naruto already experienced with Sakura, Sasuke, and several other pinncale characters like Iruka.

Relook at some of their "scenes" and you notice how hard Naruto regresses and rehashes old plot points that he already overcame just so Hinata can "save him" for them. Example: the whole Neji dying thing. He already experienced that lost when Jiriaya was killed and he got over it with the help of Iruka. He wallowed and it was meaningful because it was like Harry losing Sirius the only close thing to a family he had left. Funny enough, both were the main character's godfathers. Then they had to pull the same kitten with Neji and Hinata so Hinata can have a quicky "meaningful and romantic moment" with Naruto.

I can almost hear the melotoned voice pattern in Naruto like "Oh no, Neji died. I can't believe I lost so much. Oh hey Hinata, thanks for reminding me that death is not so bad and that their death was meaningful. Not like I learned this several arcs back."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 February 2018 - 11:24 PM.

[Gravenimage]

It's funny that you mention this because it is like saying the only way for Hinata's scenes to be pratical is merely to push NH to the forfront. This only proves that the ending of Naruto was merely a pairing fodder propaganda.

From a story standpoint, and you mention quite a few times, that all of Hinata's scenes could easily removed or replaced with someone else and the story would still work. Sure, slight changes here and there to make it flow better, but otherwise nothing would have been lost. Hinata herself is an impratical character. Her only purpose to the Naruto fandom is to be Naruto's love interest. She has nothing to do with the Sasuke plot, nothing to do with Naruto's plot, and she had nothing to do with the plot in general. She doesn't advance the plot in anyway and in fact does the extreme opposite of slowing the plot down. She forces the plot to hit the brakes hard.

Alot of people believed that, without Hinata, Naruto would not have survived Pein, but we know this is a garbage argument. How many other battles has Naruto survived without Hinata needing to be there? Exactly, so to assume that Hinata's presence alters the story that much is giving her far too much credit than she deserves. Her presence and marriage to Naruto didn't stop Toneri nor did it stop the events in the Boruto movie. It didn't stop anything else from happening in Naruto's life other than being with Sakura. The only thing Hinata stopped was Naruto being happy with the real girl he wanted to be with. All it stopped was Naruto had redirect his focus to "save her."

Hinata is an impratical character and we knew this since day one. Kishimoto even knew this since day one because he didn't involve her with most of the conflict. The only reason why he added her was because he knew they were making her be with Naruto in the end, so they forced his hand to give her more focus that wasn't necessary like Neji's death and such and again copying everything Naruto has already done with Sakura and Sasuke. How covenient that all of HInata's scenes are just rehases of everything Naruto already experience with Sakura and Sasuke.

In fact, relook at some of their "scenes" and you notice how hard Naruto regresses and rehashes old plot points that he alreayd overcame just so Hinata can "save him" for them. Example, the whole Neji dying thing. He already experienced that lost when Jiriaya was killed and he got over it. He wallowed and it was meaningful because it was like Harry losing Sirius the only close thing to a family he had left. Funny enough, both were the main character's godfathers. Then they had to pull the same kitten with Neji and Hinata so Hinata can have a quicky "meaningful anf romantic moment" with Naruto.

I can almost hear the melotoned voice pattern in Naruto like "Oh no, Neji died. I can't believe I lost so much. Oh hey Hinata, thanks for reminding me that death is not so bad and that their death was meaningful. Not like I learned this several arcs back."

 

Asspulls asspulls everywhere!

 

I wanted to put the Buzz Lightyear meme but couldn't find it.

Edited by Gravenimage, 15 February 2018 - 11:19 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Honestly you could replace Hinata with Konohamaru instead for the Pain scene given the fact he already been established in the arc when he took on one of the sixth paths, you could have him been cocky because it and he wants to save his hero Naruto, only to end up in same manner hinata is in the manga causing naruto rage and guilt that his semi student/admire is possibly dead because of him.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Asspulls asspulls everywhere!

 

I wanted to put the Buzz Lightyear meme but couldn't find it.

 

[Gravenimage]

 

 

Fixed lol.

[DrK]

Honestly you could replace Hinata with Konohamaru instead for the Pain scene given the fact he already been established in the arc when he took on one of the sixth paths, you could have him been cocky because it and he wants to save his hero Naruto, only to end up in same manner hinata is in the manga causing naruto rage and guilt that his semi student/admire is possibly dead because of him.

Yeah, that would have been really cool actually. And then Hinata would not have been so sympathetic, so Kishi would not have felt like he needed to ruin the manga. He should've done that. Oh well.

 

It also would have been fine if it had been Sakura, honestly. It would be a stupid thing for her to do, but so was what she did at the bridge. It wouldn't have been out of character. The only problem is that it would kinda make her look bad in the sense that she had people she was supposed to be healing, but whatever.

 

It also could've been some random K11 member that we hadn't heard about much before. Just to give more spotlight to them and make people care about them more. Pick whoever you think needs that the most.

 

There were so many things he could've done, which wouldn't have ultimately destroyed the manga, but unfortunately, he chose to do that. How tragic.

Edited by DrK, 15 February 2018 - 11:48 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Yeah, that would have been really cool actually. And then Hinata would not have been so sympathetic, so Kishi would not have felt like he needed to ruin the manga. He should've done that. Oh well.

 

It also would have been fine if it had been Sakura, honestly. It would be a stupid thing for her to do, but so was what she did at the bridge. It wouldn't have been out of character. The only problem is that it would kinda make her look bad in the sense that she had people she was supposed to be healing, but whatever.

 

It also could've been some random K11 member that we hadn't heard about much before. Just to give more spotlight to them and make people care about them more. Pick whoever you think needs that the most.

 

There were so many things he could've done, which wouldn't have ultimately destroyed the manga, but unfortunately, he chose to do that. How tragic.

I don't really agree that it should be Sakura that should do it as I think she would of learnt from her mistake in bridge incident and would know how Naruto would feel if she got injured or killed.