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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

HISHE

*Naruto* I love you! I want to be with you! SAKURA!!!!

 

Sakura: NARUTO!!! *flies over to him, literally glowing*

[DrK]

Domon could never be a scumbag like Naruto. I mean, he did hide his Gundam inside the Statue of Liberty, as a result destroying a priceless national monument, but I'm not one to hold it against him.

[VanitasDS76491]

Don't forget Jiraya, Tsunade, Sai and Yamato too.

Or til one of those kitten hiden novels where tsunade went back on that and said hinata was better for naruto.

[James S Cassidy]

The story, though it would be probably much more tragic, would actually not suck if Sakura did love Naruto but it was the case that Naruto simply didn't understand it, legitimately. Like if he was like Goku. And Sakura doesn't want to take advantage of his naivete just because that is what she thinks would make her happy. Because he's like Goku and doesn't really get romance. Goku married Chi Chi to make her happy. But Sakura would be like "I can't do that to him." It would be in character for her.

 

The manga makes it extremely apparent that this was not the case, though.

Still hard getting around the fact that Sakura PUSHED Naruto to Hinata without any regard for what he really felt.

Honestly this "I want him to be happy" is a kitten excuse to push someone to do something. I hate when people do this to me. They tell me what makes me happy instead of asking me what makes me happy. This is what has caused people to commit suicide or worse. Imagine if we used that excuse for everything. It is ridiculous.

I mean, why can't people accept "No" as an answer.
"You love this girl"
"No, I don't"
"Yes you do. It would make you happy."
"No, it won't. She knows nothing about me"
"So?"
"She won't make me happy. So no, I don't love her."
"Yes, you do."

Are men not allowed to say no in this story?

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Still hard getting around the fact that Sakura PUSHED Naruto to Hinata without any regard for what he really felt.
Honestly this "I want him to be happy" is a kitten excuse to push someone to do something. I hate when people do this to me. They tell me what makes me happy instead of asking me what makes me happy. This is what has caused people to commit suicide or worse. Imagine if we used that excuse for everything. It is ridiculous.
I mean, why can't people accept "No" as an answer.
"You love this girl"
"No, I don't"
"Yes you do. It would make you happy."
"No, it won't. She knows nothing about me"
"So?"
"She won't make me happy. So no, I don't love her."
"Yes, you do."
Are men not allowed to say no in this story?

According to the same guy that said Sakura would be a terrible woman if she moved on from Sasuke... no.

[winter-serenade]

Don't expect any logical choices from Kishimoto during and after the War arc. You'll give yourself a false sense of high hopes. I learned that the hard way.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Don't expect any logical choices from Kishimoto during and after the War arc. You'll give yourself a false sense of high hopes. I learned that the hard way.

 

Welcome to the club, Winter. u_u;;

[Yyubie]

Don't expect any logical choices from Kishimoto during and after the War arc. You'll give yourself a false sense of high hopes. I learned that the hard way.

Well when he draw that girlfriend scene just after minato arrive and when he draw that sakura give cpr while holding and pumping his heart directly with his bare arm. It's hard not to get your hope up. I'm still 50 50 whether i should blame myself for putting too much hope and faith into NS or it's all Kishi's fault for playing and misleading his fan though ......

[tricksie]

Well when he draw that girlfriend scene just after minato arrive and when he draw that sakura give cpr while holding and pumping his heart directly with his bare arm. It's hard not to get your hope up. I'm still 50 50 whether i should blame myself for putting too much hope and faith into NS or it's all Kishi's fault for playing and misleading his fan though ......

No I thought that too. I was like....what did he just say??? Was that it? Don't we have confirmation now??? 

 

But the only thing I can think was that in the original storyline it was meant to be Naruto letting his parents know his life choice to be with her, and then for the NH ending it became a red herring. So there was no reason for Kishimoto to change it. 

 

In fact, I think he kept everything the same till 'The True End' then changed the rest of the romance to substitute Hinata for Sakura. That's why he never went back and corrected Naruto's feelings or statements. It was simply left in to mislead the audience. Jerks.

[Phantom_999]

hmmm.....


So let me get this straight...
Konohamaru knew Naruto loved Sakura
Shikamaru knew Naruto loved Sakura
The frogs knew Naruto loved Sakura
Minato knew Naruto loved Sakura

and now even Ino knew Naruto loved Sakura.

HOW CAN PEOPLE SAY NARUTO NEVER LOVED SAKURA WHEN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER KNEW NARUTO LOVED SAKURA?.

 

 

What I find so LAUGHABLY inconsistent, is that Sakura is acting like Naruto having loved her means something here when it was from HER OWN MOUTH that said Naruto only saw her as a prize to be won by one upping Sasuke. You'd think because she said that, She'd respond with "No he was just confused. He didn't know that it was Hinata he loved and wanted all along". Why the EFF is she blushing and acting embarrassed like Naruto's former love for her is a big deal if she called it a rivalry game and led him on DESPITE knowing it was a rivalry game. that is what I want to know. One of the Hinata worshiping  pedo-clown faction of SP's many writing inconsistencies.

Edited by Phantom_999, 12 February 2018 - 08:47 PM.

[jak123]

 

What I find so LAUGHABLY inconsistent, is that Sakura is acting like Naruto having loved her means something here when it was from HER OWN MOUTH that said Naruto only saw her as a prize to be won by one upping Sasuke. You'd think because she said that, She'd respond with "No he was just confused. He didn't know that it was Hinata he loved and wanted all along". Why the EFF is she blushing and acting embarrassed like Naruto's former love for her is a big deal if she called it a rivalry game and led him on DESPITE knowing it was a rivalry game. that is what I want to know. One of the Hinata worshiping  pedo-clown faction of SP's many writing inconsistencies.

Because terrible writing.

[DrK]

Still hard getting around the fact that Sakura PUSHED Naruto to Hinata without any regard for what he really felt.

Honestly this "I want him to be happy" is a kitten excuse to push someone to do something. I hate when people do this to me. They tell me what makes me happy instead of asking me what makes me happy. This is what has caused people to commit suicide or worse. Imagine if we used that excuse for everything. It is ridiculous.

Well, he didn't even want to spend time with her. Naruto eats ramen because it makes him happy. So if spending time with Hinata made him happy then he would have wanted to walk her home. But he didn't so it doesn't. So Sakura, acting in his best interests, should not have done that. It was very wrong of her. It was horrible of her to do that to her friend regardless of what her motivation was. Since when does Sakura even care about what happens to Hinata anyway? They weren't really friends. It doesn't make any sense, really.

 

It's not like Naruto was getting in the way of her and Sasuke. He was with the brunette girl that was hanging off his arm. So Sakura felt a need to serve the interests of Hinata because that is what the plot dictated. Pathetic.

[Nostradamus]

Still hard getting around the fact that Sakura PUSHED Naruto to Hinata without any regard for what he really felt.

Honestly this "I want him to be happy" is a kitten excuse to push someone to do something. I hate when people do this to me. They tell me what makes me happy instead of asking me what makes me happy. This is what has caused people to commit suicide or worse. Imagine if we used that excuse for everything. It is ridiculous.

I mean, why can't people accept "No" as an answer.
"You love this girl"
"No, I don't"
"Yes you do. It would make you happy."
"No, it won't. She knows nothing about me"
"So?"
"She won't make me happy. So no, I don't love her."
"Yes, you do."

Are men not allowed to say no in this story?

No.

[Bail o' Lies]

What was the point in showing Sakura there at all tbh? She had no importance to Sasuke neither in the past, nor in the present therefore her appearance had nothing to do with him. But she WAS liked by Naruto as a child, and presumably also in the present before things went to kitten. 

So we have to assume her appearance was meant to mean something to NARUTO....only we all see how that turned out in the end Just another red herring gaiz.

It was probably suppose to mean that Sakura has been an observer of their rivalry (which had all but consumed the manga by that point) since the beginning. I believe we saw that scene twice. Once from Naruto perspective during a talk with Kurama, and once when Sakura was knocked out. Logically it should mean something but like everything else it was dropped for the ending, and Hinata.

[DrK]

It was probably suppose to mean that Sakura has been an observer of their rivalry (which had all but consumed the manga by that point) since the beginning. I believe we saw that scene twice. Once from Naruto perspective during a talk with Kurama, and once when Sakura was knocked out. Logically it should mean something but like everything else it was dropped for the ending, and Hinata.

But it's a huge reveal that Sakura actually felt a powerful emotion when she saw that. Back then Sakura was supposed to be just like every other girl except Hinata hime sama. She loved Sasuke and thought Naruto was a piece of crap. She should have been cheering. But she wasn't. Why wasn't she, if she cared so little about Naruto that she would abandon him, his feelings for her, his bond of friendship with her, and everything else just to be Sasuke's housekeeper? .

 

That scene would have been great if she ended up with Naruto. We would see that, though she clearly didn't understand why, and maybe didn't even realize it, she still cared about Naruto way back then. The fact that he got utterly defeated by Sasuke but still didn't back down because of his unquenchable spirit still meant something for her. A seed of something was planted in that moment, and after they got used to being a team, she always supported him from then on. She did more to support and help him than anyone else.

 

Instead, she becomes basically the only person who DOESN'T support him. And today, she has less empathy than she did back then. How stupid and nonsensical is that? She was ready to die because Naruto's feelings were hurt at one point. Now she's not even ready to stay in Konoha?

[Bail o' Lies]

Because that's what SP had to say to convince us they had NO real hand in the ending changing. XP

Yes, they were only adapting Kishimoto's story and following his will. Despite kishimoto saying before the fallout of the last; it was their idea and they wanted to do it for years.

So both Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot both deny that they wrote the final ending to Naruto...well, who did? Kishimoto said he had no interest in writing a romance story between Naruto and Hinata and if this is the SPs version of "We didn't do it." Then who did?

Would you want to be the fall guy for the mess that came afterwards? Look after the Last Jedi. From what I heard after it was clear even if it was a financially success (as some people want to claim it to be) it still damage the brand. Bob Iger has become furious with Kennedy and her handling of Star Wars. Naruto was a international big seller for several companies; you don't think they were angry over that lost as well?

That blush irritates me so much for some reason...

It implies that Sakura is embarrassed that she once had, or may still have feeling for Naruto. Since the last went out of it way to destroy their bond. It should.

Every time I think back to the ending, I cant help but wonder just how Kishimoto screwed this up. As James mentioned a page or two ago, he didn't do it for the money; he has plenty of it. It's not like he's a completely incompetent writer, because although it has it's bad moments, he still gave us Naruto, a great series. But yet he still- and I'll never get over this- compares Sakuras importance to Kiba (I believe Kiba was somewhat important to the plot because of his battle with Sakon and Ukon and during the war, but he's still far from major character status), compares Sakuras love to Sasuke to an addiction/poison (though I maybe wrong), claims NaruHina was planned from the beginning (Kishi no), and dismisses the feelings of Naruto (probably the most honest, empathic person of the series) towards Sakura as a mere "crush because of rivalry"? Whaaat?

And it's so strange how some people treat Kishimoto's every word as if it were a verse from the Bible, even though numerous times he contradicts himself multiple times. Let's say Akira Toriyama contradicted himself. It would be excusable because he was known to have forgotten things as he got older (he's 62). Kishimoto is 43. His memory doesn't seem to have deteriorated. What excuse does he have? Did he hit his head? Did he just wake up one day and have amnesia? Is he doing it to appease the fans? But did the fans want this? What's the deal?

At best he was convinced that, "this is what the fans wanted."

 

Remember Sakura was based of his wife, even if he no longer cared for Sakura as a character he kept her as the love interest to tell her; even though he was busy with his job he still loves her. MK was he wants to raise their children together but he is busy at work.

 

But after years of being worn down. He probably agreed to do it to repay the fans that had support him for so many years. Sadly, they were only fans, not customers.

I think saying he didn't do it for the money isn't something I can totally agree with. Because I think what happened is he was pressured by other people, who were absolutely doing it for the money, as well as their own terrible tastes vis a vis a blue haired girl. The fact that he himself, would also, potentially, though he didn't actually, get more money, is just a side benefit.

 

It's really hard to keep doing something that everyone else keeps telling you is bad and that something else would be better. I know this from experience. You need serious conviction to continue, which is something he absolutely, 100%, lost.

 

About his explanations, it's just weak attempts to justify BS that ended up making him look worse. He didn't actually believe that stuff. At least, I hope not.

In the interview after the ending it obvious he trying to explain it to himself as much as he is the interview of what he is saying. At the time he was being flooded by thank you lettersfrom fans convincing him it might have been the right idea.

 

Between the fallout of the last and the start of the gaiden he start looking tired, regretful, drain, and kept talking about how he wants to leave & go onto his next manga. This was during the time they knew the domestic fanbases was collapsing due to the backlash to the ending sand the last. But they were still holding out hope for the sweet sweet international market they were always going for. 

 

After the gaiden he came off as spiteful. Clearly they had learned that the hinata fanbase were just people that pirated it online.

 

Nowadays, he is just done. He saying what they want him to say, not rocking the boat, in order to leave. Since they know what Boruto is now, a niche series that will never be able to compare to it predecessor, and is probably just a support for the companies till Black Clover takes off.

Yeah, because why would she blush if she was supposedly never in love with Naruto.  First, the now infamous statement that Naruto is more than family to her and now we have her blushing over the romantic nature of Naruto's feelings (which she alleged that he never had) for her.   SP, you are playing a dangerous game with your more fanatical fanbase.

I think I made a comment about this when that episode came out point out that instead of supporting the glory of nH it just showed how weak the pairing was.

What I find so LAUGHABLY inconsistent, is that Sakura is acting like Naruto having loved her means something here when it was from HER OWN MOUTH that said Naruto only saw her as a prize to be won by one upping Sasuke. You'd think because she said that, She'd respond with "No he was just confused. He didn't know that it was Hinata he loved and wanted all along". Why the EFF is she blushing and acting embarrassed like Naruto's former love for her is a big deal if she called it a rivalry game and led him on DESPITE knowing it was a rivalry game. that is what I want to know. One of the Hinata worshiping  pedo-clown faction of SP's many writing inconsistencies.

It clear by that point that everyone in Japan outside of SP thought that line, scene, reasoning, everything about it was awful. So that may have been a soft retcon, like other scenes they had since the ending, while also making sure to keep the NS bond to all but non-existent. The problem is that Sakura said it was Naruto that had no feeling and was using her. Not that she was using him. So it fine if she had feeling for him, it just means she realized he was an emotionless rock that was worst then Sasuke and backed out. But that still makes Naruto, "The Worst Scumbag."

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 13 February 2018 - 03:48 AM.

[Gravenimage]

I have said it before and I will say it again. I do hope in the future they make a alternate series of Naruto that ends with NS but not done by Pierot but a better studio like Toei animation, Gonzo, Bones, White Fox. Anything that isn't a studio that worships Hinata. 

Edited by Gravenimage, 13 February 2018 - 01:16 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I have said it before and I will say it again. I do hope in the future they make a alternate series of Naruto that ends with NS but not done by Pierot but a better studio like Toei animation, Gonzo, Bones, White Fox. Anything that isn't a studio that worships Hinata. 

 

It is one of those dreams that'd be awesome to see done!

[Gravenimage]

 

It is one of those dreams that'd be awesome to see done!

 

Yeah similar to the Alternate Last doujin. It will be amusing that the alternate series becomes more popular than Burrito.

[jak123]

 

Yeah similar to the Alternate Last doujin. It will be amusing that the alternate series becomes more popular than Burrito.

Oooooo, I found something new to read. Thanks.