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[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

 

Couldn't have said it any better myself, being someone who is currently in the process of finishing a book from the last 3 years. I've learned alot about how the writing process goes, story direction, character progression, etc.  People fail to understand that oh it was all Kishimoto's idea it was the story he wanted to tell? and my thing is if it was the story he wanted to tell then why did there have to be alot of course alteration throughout the series.  There's a reason why people always debate about the quality of Naruto, and why  Part 1 was better than Part 2.  Alot of things were changed like why all the contradictory from the past interviews and what's currently being said. Yes, there is a thing where you as an author can tweak things that don't really change the overall course of the story, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, Naruto had more than just a few tweaks. It was a series of course corrections throughout the story. Truth be told, that's kinda why it's kinda tough for me to read new mangas because more than likely it never really goes the way the author wants it to, it's always the company like oh this isn't that good get back to the main cast? No that shouldn't even be the first thing on your mind, what you should do is see what it is the author has in store. I'm sorry, but aside from My Hero Academia which even right now I'm a little worried about, Shounen Jump is a company all about rankings. They don't give a damn if the story is a slow build that'll be beautiful, instead it's like We want you to do the story we want you to not what you do. 

 

Which I guess also kinda made me lower animosity towards Kishi, don't to say that I forgive him for what's happened because that's not the case. The scar that was left on me and many of us still stings to this day.  Hell, I'd even argue the kitten that happened with Naruto helps give me motivation to tell the story of my book on my own terms not the damn editors, not the damn company. Just straight up me! and that's what I'm gonna love by. 

 

Also keep in mind when Road to Ninja was coming out, Kishi did say "There were things I couldn't do in Naruto that I could do here in this movie." 

 

- We know Sakura's parents for whatever reason couldn't be shown in the manga probably because popularity and rankings of course.

-  I know people say that pairings are nothing, and sure there's some validity toward that. However, Naruto is a completely different case. That's why I think NaruSaku was suppose to be the full on endgame for the series given how that movie turned out. 

 

 

I mean look, if Hinata was the qoute on qoute heroine the whole time, why not have her journey to the Genjutsu world? It just doesn't make sense. 

 

That's why I much like everyone else believes editorial decisions is what happened to Naruto. 

 

Once again,  Kishi gets no announce of forgiveness because he allowed the editors to walks all over the story of Naruto , Do I feel bad for him,yeah by like 0.03%  and that's it. 

 

I know how you feel, Chi. I respect Mr. Kishimoto for doing Naruto as long as he did, but he screwed over the fans BIG TIME with the ending, so he won't get any sympathy from me, that's for sure.

[Yyubie]

@James

I don't know what is the true job of an EDITOR in the manga industry ... i mean what is their purpose truly ... really ?

I watch Bakuman anime season 1-3 , they explain pretty much a lot of the life and work of a mangaka and the editor. But in that anime editor only like giving advice whether the manga is good or bad. And i really like editor after watching that anime , but the way you spoke of those editor , it's like they are kitten tyrant , they over step their authority and they force the mangaka to do what they want. I don't know which one is normal.

[DrK]

The whole road to ninja thing can be an argument unto itself as to how the ending was BS. If he wasn't supposed to be with Sakura and Sakura is like Kiba then why is that movie the way it is? Doesn't make any sense. The whole thing is so damn transparent. How does ANYONE believe that this was what Kishi originally was going to do?

[Phantom_999]

 

I think The War Arc was when Kishimoto really gave up. Now whether or not the changes were good or bad (mostly bad) you can see Kishimoto begin this "I give up, do whatever you want and I just draw" when his editors started to take control. I am making a small list here of things I know were changed due to editor influence and most happen after the Pein Arc.

 

-Kishi said the Kakuzu and Hidan arc was suppose to be longer but SJ told him to cut it short to get back to Sasuke. And that Hidan was suppose to return in the War arc but he admitted that he literally got lazy with drawing and didn’t want to add more characters because it meant drawing them.

-Kishi has repeatedly said Sakura is the heroine even well into the War Arc, only to turn around and claim Hinata was always the heroine after the series ended. His editors and SJ also kept pushing for Hinata to be the heroine for along time.

-Kishi said Sasuke and Naruto were suppose to be holding hands in 698 but SJ told him he can’t do that.

-Sasuke wasn’t even suppose to exist and was added at the suggestion of his editors.

-Same thing for the Chunin Exams Arc, Kishi’s editors literally told him he had to do it instead of his original idea of slowly introducing many characters over several chapters/arcs and he regrets not being able to do what he wanted. He just wanted to show Naruto going on missions and learning about the outside world.

-Once again, even Orochimaru and his involvement in the Chunin Exams Arc was not his decision. His editors told him he needed a villain and that he had to make the Chunin Exams not finish. Shikamaru was also suppose to be the winner, instead of losing to Temari.

-Kishi admitted the idea of Kekkei Genkai, Sharingan and the like in the Land of Waves arc was just a “bluff” that he did not plan on getting in to at all.

-The Mifune/Hanzo fight was cut short because his editors hated it and told him he needed to end it very quickly and get back to the main cast, but Kishi really wanted to write it.

-Pretty much the entire Kobayashi interview is Kishi going “I didn’t know what I was doing the majority of the time and when I did know what I was doing my editors made me do something else because they didn’t like it.”

I am sure you guys can think of more.

Would it be so hard to believe that NH and SS were NOT Kishimoto's decision at all and was really the product of forced involvement by the SP or SJ teams? I would like to think so. Does this make Kishimoto blameless? No, but I really think there was more to it than is put on. The Naruto the Last movie was in production two years before the ending of Naruto which means it was planned to force NH together by the end. Now why would you need to do that if NH was going to be canon anyway? You wouldn't. It was a forced hand put on Kishimoto saying "You need to make NH canon because we made the movie about NH." This is why Kishimoto was so ambiguous.

This also feels like why a lot of the plot points seem out of place.

 

Well, there you go. Kishimoto was not writing Naruto, he was doing what anyone else WANTS him to do. So again, it's very success was a fluke and someone else should have been the writer to take charge of the story. Of course I believe Sakura was Yahagi's idea too 

Edited by Phantom_999, 20 February 2018 - 01:41 PM.

[RulesofNature]

@James

I don't know what is the true job of an EDITOR in the manga industry ... i mean what is their purpose truly ... really ?

I watch Bakuman anime season 1-3 , they explain pretty much a lot of the life and work of a mangaka and the editor. But in that anime editor only like giving advice whether the manga is good or bad. And i really like editor after watching that anime , but the way you spoke of those editor , it's like they are kitten tyrant , they over step their authority and they force the mangaka to do what they want. I don't know which one is normal.

 

It's more of a case-by-case thing. It's kinda like how in anime producers and directors butt heads when the producers begin saying "add this and that to the show" while the directors want to control the show's direction (fact is, the writers can be pretty low on the totem pole. Gen Urobuchi did an outline for Aldnoah Zero that was completely ignored, yet his involvement was used to draw attention to the show in the first place because he wrote the first episode).

[VanitasDS76491]

Couldn't have said it any better myself, being someone who is currently in the process of finishing a book from the last 3 years. I've learned alot about how the writing process goes, story direction, character progression, etc.  People fail to understand that oh it was all Kishimoto's idea it was the story he wanted to tell? and my thing is if it was the story he wanted to tell then why did there have to be alot of course alteration throughout the series.  There's a reason why people always debate about the quality of Naruto, and why  Part 1 was better than Part 2.  Alot of things were changed like why all the contradictory from the past interviews and what's currently being said. Yes, there is a thing where you as an author can tweak things that don't really change the overall course of the story, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, Naruto had more than just a few tweaks. It was a series of course corrections throughout the story. Truth be told, that's kinda why it's kinda tough for me to read new mangas because more than likely it never really goes the way the author wants it to, it's always the company like oh this isn't that good get back to the main cast? No that shouldn't even be the first thing on your mind, what you should do is see what it is the author has in store. I'm sorry, but aside from My Hero Academia which even right now I'm a little worried about, Shounen Jump is a company all about rankings. They don't give a damn if the story is a slow build that'll be beautiful, instead it's like We want you to do the story we want you to not what you do. 
 
Which I guess also kinda made me lower animosity towards Kishi, don't to say that I forgive him for what's happened because that's not the case. The scar that was left on me and many of us still stings to this day.  Hell, I'd even argue the kitten that happened with Naruto helps give me motivation to tell the story of my book on my own terms not the damn editors, not the damn company. Just straight up me! and that's what I'm gonna love by. 
 
Also keep in mind when Road to Ninja was coming out, Kishi did say "There were things I couldn't do in Naruto that I could do here in this movie." 
 
- We know Sakura's parents for whatever reason couldn't be shown in the manga probably because popularity and rankings of course.
-  I know people say that pairings are nothing, and sure there's some validity toward that. However, Naruto is a completely different case. That's why I think NaruSaku was suppose to be the full on endgame for the series given how that movie turned out. 
 
 
I mean look, if Hinata was the qoute on qoute heroine the whole time, why not have her journey to the Genjutsu world? It just doesn't make sense. 
 
That's why I much like everyone else believes editorial decisions is what happened to Naruto. 
 
Once again,  Kishi gets no ounce of forgiveness because he allowed the editors to walks all over the story of Naruto , Do I feel bad for him,yeah by like 0.03%  and that's it.

So Bascially kishi is like backshe who did cool world, the movie cause the actual movie if cool wild nothing like he wrote just watching the nostalgia critic review on cool world to know what I'm talking About. So should we blame kishi of sp or them and jump for this naruto mess?

[Tsuki Hoshino]

@James
I don't know what is the true job of an EDITOR in the manga industry ... i mean what is their purpose truly ... really ?
I watch Bakuman anime season 1-3 , they explain pretty much a lot of the life and work of a mangaka and the editor. But in that anime editor only like giving advice whether the manga is good or bad. And i really like editor after watching that anime , but the way you spoke of those editor , it's like they are kitten tyrant , they over step their authority and they force the mangaka to do what they want. I don't know which one is normal.

It really depends on the editor and the mangaka. Yuu watase has a horror story about a very pushy, out right awful editor who despite the fact that Watase was already a successful mangaka at the time of writing was basically treated like a dunce and forced to redraw things over and over.

At first she was too nice to do anything about it and her health started suffering. At some point that editor was replaced and things got better.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 07 February 2018 - 10:41 PM.

[Kagomaru]

It really depends on the editor and the mangaka. Yuu watase has a horror story about a very pushy, out right awful editor who despite the fact that Watase was already a successful mangaka at the time of writing was basically treated like a dunce and forced to redraw things over and over.

At first she was too nice to do anything about it and her health started suffering. At some point that editor was replaced and things got better.

She also revealed in her blog that the kitten also had the audacity to insult the intelligence of her fans for enjoying her writing before he "improved" upon it. The man was deplorable and obnoxiously egocentric.    

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

And people wonder why it's so hard to make it in the manga industry at all....

[Tsuki Hoshino]

She also revealed in her blog that the kitten also had the audacity to insult the intelligence of her fans for enjoying her writing before he "improved" upon it. The man was deplorable and obnoxiously egocentric.    

I don't know if the editor straight out called them "idiots." but that was the feeling Watase got from him because he kept making her dumb it down. Either way the guy was D.I.C.K and clearly had control issues. The fact that her entire story ended up being changed from her original vision when she was a PROVEN writer at that point is repugnant.

Its one thing for Kishimoto who was a virtual nobody when Naruto came out to get a lot of help ( and he needed it tbh...Except for the "help" he got at the end which was the exact opposite of what he needed...) but for someone with as many successes as Watase to be put through the ringer like that is really stupid. Although some of it is her own fault, like not insisting she get a new editor instead of continuing to torture herself with the one she had. I guess its just part of the "Endure it" culture though.

Being a mangaka with the conditions they often find themselves in is not something I'd wish on anyone. 

I don't even think they make all that much money tbh, 


 

[Bail o' Lies]

I don't know if the editor straight out called them "idiots." but that was the feeling Watase got from him because he kept making her dumb it down. Either way the guy was D.I.C.K and clearly had control issues. The fact that her entire story ended up being changed from her original vision when she was a PROVEN writer at that point is repugnant.

Its one thing for Kishimoto who was a virtual nobody when Naruto came out to get a lot of help ( and he needed it tbh...Except for the "help" he got at the end which was the exact opposite of what he needed...) but for someone with as many successes as Watase to be put through the ringer like that is really stupid. Although some of it is her own fault, like not insisting she get a new editor instead of continuing to torture herself with the one she had. I guess its just part of the "Endure it" culture though.

Being a mangaka with the conditions they often find themselves in is not something I'd wish on anyone. 

I don't even think they make all that much money tbh, 

The thing is that Kishimoto was a new comer under yahagi, but by the time yahagi left; Kishimoto had been working on Naruto for 8-9 years, and it was one of the best selling manga ever.

 

The problem is that those years under yahagi got him used to working very close with his editor, and his new editors -espicailly the one during the Pein arc- took advantage of it.

 

If manga are anything like comic books from what I hear; most probably make mini wage, the successful one as much as your dentist, and only the mangakas who stories become franchise maybe making big money.

[LuckyChi7]

The thing is that Kishimoto was a new comer under yahagi, but by the time yahagi left; Kishimoto had been working on Naruto for 8-9 years, and it was one of the best selling manga ever.

 

The problem is that those years under yahagi got him used to working very close with his editor, and his new editors -espicailly the one during the Pein arc- took advantage of it.

 

If manga are anything like comic books from what I hear; most probably make mini wage, the successful one as much as your dentist, and only the mangakas who stories become franchise maybe making big money.

 

That's very true. 

 

Though, I'd probably say Comicbooks have a much better rep than mangakas since at the very least a book like Spider-Man, Batman, Iron Man, Hulk, Flash, etc, are all into like individual arcs and you can tell how long a particular arc/storyline is gonna last, and how long they've stayed on as the writer until another writer steps in, and depending on where the story goes you can see if the quality continues to be amazing or start going on a declining trail. Unfortunately with Mangas you only get okay this person's the mangaka and that they've been writing the story from start to finish. I almost kinda wish we got to see in like the jump magazine that the series is by so and so ,and the editor is by so and so.  If anything it would help give the readers and fans a much clear picture as to what's going on as opposed to keeping the creative process of the series in the dark.  

Edited by LuckyChi7, 08 February 2018 - 01:29 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The thing is that Kishimoto was a new comer under yahagi, but by the time yahagi left; Kishimoto had been working on Naruto for 8-9 years, and it was one of the best selling manga ever.

 

The problem is that those years under yahagi got him used to working very close with his editor, and his new editors -espicailly the one during the Pein arc- took advantage of it.

 

If manga are anything like comic books from what I hear; most probably make mini wage, the successful one as much as your dentist, and only the mangakas who stories become franchise maybe making big money.

Well thats what i was saying. Sometimes a Mangaka gets a really good editor, and sometimes they get a reaaaalllly kitten one or a series of really bad ones. The best parts of Kishimoto's story were laid when he had a good editor, and the quality went down after his GOOD editor left.

And the fact that Mangaka don't make a lot of money is what leads me to believe that Kishimoto didn't give up on Naruto for dem shekels. But because he was tired of fighting and he was tired of writing it and wanted to be done. 

 

 

 

That's very true. 

 

Though, I'd probably say Comicbooks have a much better rep than mangakas since at the very least a book like Spider-Man, Batman, Iron Man, Hulk, Flash, etc, are all into like individual arcs and you can tell how long a particular arc/storyline is gonna last, and how long they've stayed on as the writer until another writer steps in, and depending on where the story goes you can see if the quality continues to be amazing or start going on a declining trail. Unfortunately with Mangas you only get okay this person's the mangaka and that they've been writing the story from start to finish. I almost kinda wish we got to see in like the jump magazine that the series is by so and so ,and the editor is by so and so.  If anything it would help give the readers and fans a much clear picture as to what's going on as opposed to keeping the creative process of the series in the dark.  

Depends on the Comic book writer/Artist and the period. The guy who wrote One More Day- the arc of Spider-Man where they "permanently" separated MJ annd Peter--Joe Quesada pretty much became hated by the fans afterwards lol. If you're a really good artist and you become very popular you can sell commissions for tons of bucks and be pretty well off, but yea for the most part its not exactly a well paying job. 

And honestly Marvel is a hot mess in general right now. 

[LuckyChi7]

Well thats what i was saying. Sometimes a Mangaka gets a really good editor, and sometimes they get a reaaaalllly kitten one or a series of really bad ones. The best parts of Kishimoto's story were laid when he had a good editor, and the quality went down after his GOOD editor left.

And the fact that Mangaka don't make a lot of money is what leads me to believe that Kishimoto didn't give up on Naruto for dem shekels. But because he was tired of fighting and he was tired of writing it and wanted to be done. 

 

 

Depends on the Comic book writer/Artist and the period. The guy who wrote One More Day- the arc of Spider-Man where they "permanently" separated MJ annd Peter--Joe Quesada pretty much became hated by the fans afterwards lol. If you're a really good artist and you become very popular you can sell commissions for tons of bucks and be pretty well off, but yea for the most part its not exactly a well paying job. 

And honestly Marvel is a hot mess in general right now. 

 

Good example, and falls right in line with what I mentioned in terms of being a comic book writer and the quality of the story. Joe Quesada by far is one of the reasons why the main Spider-Man comics really started to fall off.  I mean thank god for Renew Your Vows thanks to writers like Jerry Conway, Ryan Stegman, and also Dan Slott for creating Renew Your Vows in the first place. I know Jody House start writing the issues from #13 and so far she's doing pretty well, I think it's best to see how the story progresses with her in charge.  It's kinda sad that the main comics now Spider-Man don't even hold the quality that this series has, but oh well. Really makes me wish  Naruto had something like this a different universe where things were actually right for a change. Oh well a guy can only dream.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Good example, and falls right in line with what I mentioned in terms of being a comic book writer and the quality of the story. Joe Quesada by far is one of the reasons why the main Spider-Man comics really started to fall off.  I mean thank god for Renew Your Vows thanks to writers like Jerry Conway, Ryan Stegman, and also Dan Slott for creating Renew Your Vows in the first place. I know Jody House start writing the issues from #13 and so far she's doing pretty well, I think it's best to see how the story progresses with her in charge.  It's kinda sad that the main comics now Spider-Man don't even hold the quality that this series has, but oh well. Really makes me wish  Naruto had something like this a different universe where things were actually right for a change. Oh well a guy can only dream.

With luck and a shake up in management ASM might see MJ return soon. But that whole " Peter needs to be single to hookup with all dem hotties." Idea was
The. Worst.

I really dislike Dan Slott though. He is a j.e.r.k. especially on Twitter. And his writing is hit or miss.

Marvel needs to get it's stuff together and stop being pretentious kitten when fans tell them they dont like what they're doing instead of doubling down. Otherwise those sales will keep tanking.

[LuckyChi7]

With luck and a shake up in management ASM might see MJ return soon. But that whole " Peter needs to be single to hookup with all dem hotties." Idea was
The. Worst.

I really dislike Dan Slott though. He is a j.e.r.k. especially on Twitter. And his writing is hit or miss.

Marvel needs to get it's stuff together and stop being pretentious kitten when fans tell them they dont like what they're doing instead of doubling down. Otherwise those sales will keep tanking.

 

I can agree with you 100% on that, I did give the main storyline a chance when they relaunched it atleast until the spider-verse stuff after that i kinda just stopped caring honestly. Spider-Gwen was cool for a while too just haven't had much time to get back to it. I hope you're right though about the MJ thing casue that really pissed me off.    

 

 Oh no I can totally agree when about Dan slot as a person. The only two things I genuinely like from his run on Spider-Man were Spider-Island and Renew Your Vows Vol. 1, and that's pretty much been it. 

 

 

Let's hope that's what happens with Marvel in the near future, cause one can only hope for it.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

I can agree with you 100% on that, I did give the main storyline a chance when they relaunched it atleast until the spider-verse stuff after that i kinda just stopped caring honestly. Spider-Gwen was cool for a while too just haven't had much time to get back to it. I hope you're right though about the MJ thing casue that really pissed me off.    

 

 Oh no I can totally agree when about Dan slot as a person. The only two things I genuinely like from his run on Spider-Man were Spider-Island and Renew Your Vows Vol. 1, and that's pretty much been it. 

 

 

Let's hope that's what happens with Marvel in the near future, cause one can only hope for it.

 

Yeah, I agree.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

00s2 actually has a good purpose. S1 was meant to deconstruct the morality put forth by SEED, the idea of using super powerful Gundams to force everyone to stop fighting. This morality is often called childish and naive by the JP fanbase and has even been examined in officially licensed games like Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 or SRW Z. It shows how different the Cosmic era really was from what it was supposed to retell, then season two comes in to reconstruct it into something that did carry on the ideals of the original shows. One of the most telling things about this is how SEED has... the SEED factor and it's animation representing the characters "planting the seeds of tomorrow" or something whereas 00 ends with a giant space flower representing peace between humanity and the ELS.

 

There is a lot more to this, but I digress.

 

As for IBO, from the beginning there was a lot of backlash from parents who thought it was inappropriate for it's timeslot. For reference, the station it was on aired Yugioh right after the show. This caused the ratings to start dropping in season one and by the time of the second cour the show was becoming infamous for poor ratings. The Dort arc was also controversial with parents not because of the massacre, but because it showed an armed protest (complete with workers firing upon officers who tried to arrest them for having illegal weapons) in too positive of a light. Audiences also sympathized with Gaelio, Carta, Crank and Ein whereas by the end of the season Mikazuki was considered a monster by some while McGillis was hated (and I've heard people didn't like Kudelia too much either). S1 averaged the same as the Kio parts of AGE.

 

S2 suffered a broken base. Some people liked Julietta and Vidar because they were fighting McGillis and seemed like a cute couple. Others hate them because they work with Iok and Rustal and were fighting Tekkadan. Orga became disliked as people began to view him as unfit for leadership, to the point his death became a meme which ironically has made him more popular, and people hated McGillis even more when his plan was revealed. They called him an idiot manchild. The first time an episode in season one scored under 2% in the ratings, it was treated as a big deal by the JP fandom and one of the producers went on twitter to tell people it picks up towards the end of the season. Season 2 averaged something like 1.92%.

Yeah, I initially enjoyed 00 Season 1 because of it being a more "realistic" version of what should have happened in SEED / SEED Destiny with their interventionalist actions (Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team could also be seen as a "realistic" antithesis to SEED / SEED Destiny in terms of the whole "no killing" mindset that ones like Kira take.) SEED started out okay, at least through the first half, but after Kira got the Freedom, that was when the whole "Jesus" label started since it seemed like, unless plot demanded it for some reason, it seemed like he just couldn't ever truly lose anymore. SEED Destiny started out okay too, even if a bit of a repeat of SEED (ZAFT version) with another Gundamjacking and stuff like the Impulse and Minerva being like the Strike and Archangel (even a bit of a Universal Century copy with the ZAKU, GOUF, DOM, Akatsuki, Destroy, etc.), but then Kira and co. were brought back into the spotlight and Shinn thrown to the side and becoming a lapdog antagonist instead, and the whole series floundered while becoming pretty much a total SEED copycat in order to fill their time slot.

I guess I can understand some of the "controversy" of IBO in terms of some of the things shown, but the rest just comes down to personal preferences overall.

I saw a lot of the hate for Kudelia too, but a lot of it seemed to boil down to, "She's so boring because she never pilots a mobile suit like Lacus did!" (which was ONE time, and she merely guided the Infinite Justice down to the Archangel, not even fighting in it at all), but I personally thought Kudelia was at least an above-average main Gundam female. Sure, she's not involved in the main fighting action, but it's not like she did nothing at all either. She wanted to help out in whatever ways that she actually could, which lead to her teaching a bunch of the Tekkadan kids, and even slightly older ones like Mikazuki, how to read and write. She also starts out with thoughts and beliefs that turn out to be proven wrong when pointed out (like when Mikazuki showed how her initial thoughts about everyone were unintentionally causing her to look down on him and Tekkadan), admits it, and becomes a better person for it.

Personally, ones like Relena, Lacus, Lunamaria, and Meyrin are worse main Gundam females. Not because of being bad people, but because their characters just kinda quickly hit dead ends and became boring and/or forced.

 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

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Personally, ones like Relena, Lacus, Lunamaria, and Meyrin are worse main Gundam females. Not because of being bad people, but because their characters just kinda quickly hit dead ends and became boring and/or forced.

Gundam Wing was literally the only Gundam show I ever watched, but "HIIRO YOU CAN COME KILL ME NOOW" is still stuck in my brain...that and Relena's unrelenting "pacifism pacifism" spiel.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Gundam Wing was literally the only Gundam show I ever watched, but "HIIRO YOU CAN COME KILL ME NOOW" is still stuck in my brain...that and Relena's unrelenting "pacifism pacifism" spiel.

 

I just feel really that a lot of the characters in Wing could have been better in development, since on paper, the idea is plausible, but it failed.

OK, here's some Tumblr articles for Naruto stuff, guys, like mostly just calling out the BS about a "happy" NaruHina family and how NaruSaku was really happy.

http://bubblegalaxyl...o-happy-yes-100

https://neonnerdrage...-i-did-it-again