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[RyrineaHaruno]

I agree, Sarah Palin, is really just another big government Republican, that is gonna push for more wars, more deficit, and more corruption...but still, you see those ppl, they need a voice, i bet most of them are in debt, need to take care of their families, some of them are unemployed. America isn't what it used to be.

I agree, but most of them are on medicare, va care, tricare, and I bet you anything they are against the public option. I tend to find it funny that people who are on these things are against the public option. Obama is trying hard to give them a voice, but the lobbying is thrashing that.



The deference between lobbying and bribery is their aren't none, but one is legal.

[Strangelove]

I agree, but most of them are on medicare, va care, tricare, and I bet you anything they are against the public option. I tend to find it funny that people who are on these things are against the public option. Obama is trying hard to give them a voice, but the lobbying is thrashing that.



The deference between lobbying and bribery is their aren't none, but one is legal.

Because the United States has no money left...you can increase the taxes to the rich by 100 of a percent, and it still wouldn't pay the entire deficit, in reality it might backfire and end up doing more harm than good. Now high income earners will have to pay a total of 50% in all taxes, if the War Tax ends up passing.


And...and Medicare and Medicaid are bankrupt, the dollar is collapsing, Gold, Silver, and food commodity prices are going up, the unemployment is going up, the deficit is going up, the debt is going up, Asian markets, as well as the OPEC are loosing their faith in the dollar, in the end it wouldn't really matter...because a bankrupt state, is a failed state.

Edited by Strangelove, 25 November 2009 - 09:21 PM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Because the United States has no money left...you can increase the taxes to the rich by 100 of a percent, and it still wouldn't pay the entire deficit, in reality it might backfire and end up doing more harm than good. Now high income earners will have to pay a total of 50% in all taxes, if the War Tax ends up passing.


And...and Medicare and Medicaid are bankrupt, the dollar is collapsing, Gold, Silver, and food commodity prices are going up, the unemployment is going up, the deficit is going up, the debt is going up, Asian markets, as well as the OPEC are loosing their faith in the dollar, in the end it wouldn't really matter...because a bankrupt state, is a failed state.

I am on Medicare, and or Meidcaid, and its not bankrupt. I have first hand Knowledge.


The dollar is collapsing, you can thank the Reagan Voodoo economics for that. It's called the trickle down theory. Basically, its were the rich well spend more on things, and give it back to the lower income family by building more business.. Basically, it is an starve the beast kind of thing. So, most of the Republicans go about to destroy the government That kinda of thing doesn't work for one thing. The best example, I have is Keynesian economic theory This settled us with a huge debt, that Obama will make even higher in trying to fix what Reagan and the Republicans did. Its been a bubble that know has popped open to let everything spill out in to the open. I also recommend that you read about supply side economics to here about about slip side ITs, been a bubble that has finally popped open, and the democrats have to fix it. Like they did in the during the great depression. Every person, has added to the destruction of the dollar, but it will take everyone to fix it I believe.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 25 November 2009 - 10:20 PM.

[Strangelove]

I am on Medicare, and or Meidcaid, and its not bankrupt. I have first hand Knowledge.


The dollar is collapsing, you can thank the Reagan Voodoo economics for that. It's called the trickle down theory. Basically, its were the rich well spend more on things, and give it back to the lower income family by building more business.. Basically, it is an starve the beast kind of thing. So, most of the Republicans go about to destroy the government That kinda of thing doesn't work for one thing. The best example, I have is Keynesian economic theory This settled us with a huge debt, that Obama will make even higher in trying to fix what Reagan and the Republicans did. Its been a bubble that know has popped open to let everything spill out in to the open. I also recommend that you read about supply side economics to here about about slip side ITs, been a bubble that has finally popped open, and the democrats have to fix it. Like they did in the during the great depression. Every person, has added to the destruction of the dollar, but it will take everyone to fix it I believe.

Reaganomics worked...Medicare is bankrupt http://www.ssa.gov/O...RSUM/index.html Reagan usher in an era of prosperity...unemployment which was at 11.3% under Jimmy Carter, unemployment under the Reagan administration peaked at 10.7% and then decreased through the rest of his administration. In the end Reagan was a success, Jimmy Carter was a failure, and since Obama continues Jimmy Carter policy, he will be just as much of a failure.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Reaganomics worked...Medicare is bankrupt http://www.ssa.gov/O...RSUM/index.html Reagan usher in an era of prosperity...unemployment which was at 11.3% under Jimmy Carter, unemployment under the Reagan administration peaked at 10.7% and then decreased through the rest of his administration. In the end Reagan was a success, Jimmy Carter was a failure, and since Obama continues Jimmy Carter policy, he will be just as much of a failure.

No it doesn't work, and the link you gave me doesn't work either. Since their is no prof that medicare is bankrupt, other than the republicans scare tactics. I hate it when people yell fire in a crowded room, it is the same thing with medicare.

Medicare is not bankrupt The pdf file for Medicare.
One more thing I FOUND this on Fox news


The government already runs an successful public options for the senators and congressmen. Republicans define the word hypocrisy at their best, because they have 55 senators and congressmen on theses programs, and all of them are fighting against the public option. The reason, I think this is because they are acting like spoiled little brats that can't make up god dang mind in ether it is socialism, or not socialism. I for one bet that these people will be whining, if they took away there health care benefits.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 25 November 2009 - 11:22 PM.

[Strangelove]

Your giving me an opinion website...and the website i gave you works for me...the one i showed you is a govt study, the ones your showing me are opinion blogs...

Edited by Strangelove, 25 November 2009 - 11:55 PM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Your giving me an opinion website...and the website i gave you works for me...the one i showed you is a govt study, the ones your showing me are opinion blogs...

AS the graph, will show medicare is well loved. The other graph, are people who think the health system we have now needs an over hall.



Medicare is of great help to my grandparents, and to my grandmother who are well in to their 80"s. My grandfather, had a stroke, and didn't have to pay a dime out of pocket for the bill..y. He is still very sick, but medicare pays for them. We need more budgets for these programs, and I wonder, if I can trust this study. I believe that we can pick the best things from different socialized care units

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 26 November 2009 - 05:13 AM.

[Strangelove]

AS the graph, will show medicare is well loved. The other graph, are people who think the health system we have now needs an over hall.



Medicare is of great help to my grandparents, and to my grandmother who are well in to their 80"s. My grandfather, had stroke, and didn't have to pay a dime out of pocket for the bill..y. He is still very sick, but medicare pays for them. We need more budgets for these programs, and I wonder, if I can trust this study. I believe that we can pick the best things from different socialized care units

Well, just so you know, the plan going by congress, cuts Medicare and Medicaid by half...and no one is saying that healthcare doesn't need an overhaul, but a 1000 page bill is not an overhaul, it is suicide.


http://www.rasmussen...lth_care_reform

Just 38% of voters now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s the lowest level of support measured for the plan in nearly two dozen tracking polls conducted since June.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% now oppose the plan.

http://www.examiner....f-15--Rasmussen

Back in Jan 2009, the Presidential Approval Index stood at mid 20’s, indicating that majority of Americans were very happy with the job Obama was doing. The Approval Index started the downhill slide from then, hitting zero some time in June 2009. Then, from that time, it never again entered into positive territory, and has been on a steady downhill slide, becoming redder month after month.

Rasmussen reported this morning (Nov 24th 2009) that the Presidential Approval Index has hit an all time low of -15, with only 27% of American people strongly approving the job Obama is doing, but an overwhelming 42% strongly disapproving the job he is doing.

Edited by Strangelove, 26 November 2009 - 01:08 AM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Well, just so you know, the plan going by congress, cuts Medicare and Medicaid by half...and no one is saying that healthcare doesn't need an overhaul, but a 1000 page bill is not an overhaul, it is suicide.


http://www.rasmussen...lth_care_reform

The rasmussen reports are an republican poll, their is a reason that most TV new stations don't use it. Scott Rasmussen, gets 950,000 from the RNC to advertise for the republican. I think he would fudge the reports a little, oh and the examiner is not a good sources, because its is a gossip newspaper.



Gop Bill board says, prepare for war



Here is the billboard, I hope that these people are being investigated.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 26 November 2009 - 03:08 AM.

[Strangelove]

The rasmussen reports are an republican poll, their is a reason that most TV new stations don't use it. Scott Rasmussen, gets 950,000 from the RNC to advertise for the republican. I think he would fudge the reports a little, oh and the examiner is not a good sources, because its is a gossip newspaper.



Gop Bill board says, prepare for war



Here is the billboard, I hope that these people are being investigated.

Is call free speech, look it up. Is right around freedom of the press, and the right to bear arms.

Also, if he is too conservative for yah, then im sorry...but you cannot deny that Obama's approval rating is below the 50% margin.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Is call free speech, look it up. Is right around freedom of the press, and the right to bear arms.

Also, if he is too conservative for yah, then im sorry...but you cannot deny that Obama's approval rating is below the 50% margin.

I know what free speech is, and why do you support something that says we should go to war. That is bering about violence, and against the law know, just imaging, if it was a liberal who put this sign up during the bush era. The right would be yelling their heads off.


They do go up, and they go down, if he gets to the 19% approval ratings like bush did, then I'd have something to be worried about as it stands it at 49.9% not enough of a drop to get your panties in a twist about.

President Obama Job Approval I go to real clear politics they have every poll on their and averages things out.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 26 November 2009 - 04:32 AM.

[Nate River]

The government already runs an successful public options for the senators and congressmen. Republicans define the word hypocrisy at their best, because they have 55 senators and congressmen on theses programs, and all of them are fighting against the public option. The reason, I think this is because they are acting like spoiled little brats that can't make up god dang mind in ether it is socialism, or not socialism. I for one bet that these people will be whining, if they took away there health care benefits.

Think Progress. That'd be like me citing Glen Beck as authority.

Second, what that Congressman did was precisely what the Republicans called it. A political farce.

That Congressman offered that amendment with zero intention of supporting it himself and knowing full well that even if every single Republican voted for the amendment it, it had absolutely zero chance of passing because the Republicans do not have the votes to do anything without at least some Democrat support and there was no way in hell any of the Democrats were voting for it.

Thus, he can offer an amendment with a 0% chance of passing regardless of what Republicans do (And with no intention of voting for it himself, and thus, he's protected) If Republicans vote for it he'll run around claiming they want to end Medicare and kill seniors. If they vote against it he can call them a bunch of hypocrites.

A dishonest political trick. All he was trying to do was bait Republicans. They should have pulled a Barack, voted present, and let him choke on it.

However, baring that, they made the next best choice and didn't let that idiot bait them into making a bad decision.

The rasmussen reports are an republican poll, their is a reason that most TV new stations don't use it. Scott Rasmussen, gets 950,000 from the RNC to advertise for the republican. I think he would fudge the reports a little, oh and the examiner is not a good sources, because its is a gossip newspaper.

Rasmussen was also the most accurate poll in predicting the results of the last two presidential elections. So he must be doing something right.

What is a good newspaper to source?

Here is the billboard, I hope that these people are being investigated.

For what?

Don't worry, I don't use the racist card in a debate. I hate it when people do that in debate it's does gives me an headache xd. I tend to think that people classify people with out really knowing them. So they assume that all Conservatives are racists rednecks ectt. That is not true at all, I know some very well educated Conservatives. For one, I am a liberal Conservative, and then their you Nate ^^. I also know a few who think people like the one in the video are idtios. I hate it when people pull the race card in debate

What you said was all criticism of Barack was racist and used that sign as proof. Hence my incredulity.

I wasn't sure that is what you really meant to say, but it is what you wrote.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Rasmussen was also the most accurate poll in predicting the results of the last two presidential elections. So he must be doing something right.

What is a good newspaper to source?

I doubt that , they have Governor Rick Perry in double digits approval ratting, The Houston observer, my dad reads it and he is a republican.Their is no freaking way that Rick Perry has that much in approval ratting .


Imagine, that a liberal did that billboard during the bush era the right would have sent the owner to jail for treason.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 26 November 2009 - 05:08 AM.

[ciardha]

I voted for Obama, because I thought Hillary was a little fake. She acted like she was everyones mother ectt.
This is why we can't disagree with the president without being called a racist.

Err, you might want to pull back on that last statement. I want to show you what it looks like- You can't disagree with Hillary Clinton without being a misogynist. It's exactly the same thing. And I'd never say it, even though I think she is about the most real and progressive politician we've ever had.

What you called "being everyone's mother" is what a part of what real liberal female strength is, it's something that many liberal feminist activists embody- I saw it grow as natural part of my own strength as I moved into my later 30's. Which is why so many liberal activist women around the world (not just in the US) from their 30's to 50's like her so much, she is a "sister". She's worked on women's rights, children's rights, civil rights her whole adult life. Her first job after graduating law school was at a law firm that defended migrant workers and their children. She wrote a legal brief on child abuse while completing her degree that became the basis of a law that is still used to rescue children from abusive homes, she was a lawyer for the Children's Legal Defense Fund for over 25 years.

And contrary to the constant fauxgressive media trashing of Hillary in 2007-8- she consistently had a more progressive voting record than Obama, Edwards or Biden. Obama was actually nearly as close to a Republican voting record as Biden and Edwards was only somewhat better. I lost count how many times I had to point people to Progressive Punch (a progressive website that gave comprehensive voting records of all members of congress- House and Senate on all progressive issues.) when they spouted the lines they heard in the fauxgressive media claiming Hillary was not progressive and Obama was.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Err, you might want to pull back on that last statement. I want to show you what it looks like- You can't disagree with Hillary Clinton without being a misogynist. It's exactly the same thing. And I'd never say it, even though I think she is about the most real and progressive politician we've ever had.

Sorry about that , I don't remember even typing the mother thing . But she did act a little bit fake not enough emotion imo I disagreed on some of things she stood for like ban on some video games for sexual themes in them ectt.. I am a hard core gamer, and a couple of others things like the Arab-Israeli conflict, and disagreed with her voting for the PATRIOT Act. I am disappointed in Obama for keep that act in place.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 27 November 2009 - 03:51 AM.

[ciardha]

Sorry about that , I don't remember even typing the mother thing . But she did act a little bit fake not enough emotion imo I disagreed on some of things she stood for like ban on some video games for sexual themes in them ectt.. I am a hard core gamer, and a couple of others things like the Arab-Israeli conflict, and disagreed with her voting for the PATRIOT Act. I am disappointed in Obama for keep that act in place.

Hillary voted no on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision, which was the part of the bill most hated by progressives. The issues where Obama had the most dramatically less progressive voting record than Hillary were on human rights and civil liberties, he also tended to vote pro corporate along with the Republicans where Hillary voted with the progressive Democrats- like on that horrible bankruptcy bill that gave way too much power to the credit card companies, made it nearly impossible for a individual to declare bankruptcy while making it easier for corporations... Obama voted for it, Hillary against it. His voting record in the IL state Senate had the same patterns.

Obama and Hillary had the same stance on the Arab-Israeli conflict.

The not showing emotion thing- women in politics have to stay calm, any show of anger or tears and the fauxgressives (and right wingers as always when it's a Democrat rip them to pieces, where a man isn't called on it unless he practically punches someone out on camera. Remember how the media and blogger fauxgressives went on the attack against Hillary for being "weak" when she teared up briefly in New Hampshire and sighed about how hard the daily battle is for ALL women? The fauxgressives exaggerated a sigh into "breaking down and sobbing" and made sneering comments about how she would never be able to negotiate with world leaders if she was "that weak".

I do have to laugh uproariously at the right wingers calling Obama a socialist I lean mildly socialist (powerful labor unions weak corporations, moderately pro environment, strongly pro civil rights, feminism, gay rights, etc...) the Scandinavian model in other words and Hillary is a lot closer in both voting records and beliefs to that than than Obama, yet the right wingers call her a moderate. It's hysterical, but shows how well Hillary has learned to sell very progressive ideas to even conservatives. Back as first lady and political newbie in her early forties she got angry and fought against them. When they went after her she got pissed off and verbally fired back. It's also the difference between being in your 40's and being in your 60's. I'm in my early 40's and I fire back the same way Hillary did at my age. I see progressive women in their 60's and 70's and they have this ability that younger women (40's and under) don't to calmly take down jerks, but to also sell progressive ideas in a way that even reaches many conservatives. (This is why Hillary did so well in more conservative lower income areas, she made those progressive ideas make sense to them, not only make sense but feel imperative to come into effect.)

The thing is Obama never called himself a progressive (and his voting record supports that he isn't), and actually mocked progressives in his books. That's one reason why I call the media people and bloggers who called Obama progressive- fauxgressives, the other was for their virulent smear tactics used against the strongest candidate that actually has a great history on progressive issues.

I do feel the same way Hillary does about the disturbing sexual violence in some video games. Lets make a valid comparison using male directed racial violence- how would you feel about a video game that gave a white male points for (giving off a vibe that this is cool) to torture and/or lynch a racial minority male? Never would make it past the corporate room where it was suggested. If such a vile thing was produced by a Neo Nazi group and they attempted to sell it, it would be justly condemned and the makers taken to court with tons of lawsuits. Our culture sees females as the victims of sexual violence as so "normal" that the recent first law in the US (a state law at that, not federal) that finally made violence against women a hate crime was severely gutted by not being allowed to apply to rape and sexual assault cases, and some media fauxgressives made sneering comments about even having such a law at all for women.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Clinton (D-NY), Yea

http://www.senate.go...l...&vote=00313
I do agree that violence against woman needs to be removed ^^.


I find its funny as well that people call Obama a socialist Nazi, Hitler, Communist, Marxist, Kenyan, and Muslim tell me anyother things I have missed




I find, it funny that their whole stick last month that the Democrat haven't read the bill. But it was them the whole time that did not read the bill.

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 27 November 2009 - 06:01 PM.

[ciardha]

http://www.senate.go...l...&vote=00313

No on the 2005 extension, not the original 2001 bill passed in the intense anxiety immediately after 9/11 in 2001. If you look at the voting records of members of congress at that time almost every single member (including other liberal ones) voted for the full Patriot Act. Hillary was actually one of the few who spoke on the floor about her reservations on the bill in 2001- reservations about the wiretapping and wanting time limits.

Obama voted exactly the same as Hillary on the 2005 extension of the Patriot Act. On security issues- foreign and domestic, their votes were pretty much the same. Military funding issues as well.

[RyrineaHaruno]

G.O.P. Considers 'Purity' Resolution for Candidates

Well Bush failed this test

[Strangelove]

G.O.P. Considers 'Purity' Resolution for Candidates

Well Bush failed this test

Yeah, and i bet that 95% failed it as well...but what is troubling me, is that you can't have an opinion in a party? You can still go against empire expansion, and be for small government.